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Turkish Airlines Begins Flights To Mogadishu  
User currently offlinegytr31 From New Zealand, joined Aug 2011, 34 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5374 times:

Turkish Airlines first flight to Mogadishu, Somalia's capital touched down today

"The first major commercial airline in more than 20 years has landed at Mogadishu airport in war-torn Somalia" says the BBC.

Quite an exciting moment for the horn of Africa and hopefully a sign of more prosperity to come!! I wish it all the best

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17269620

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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3253 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5363 times:

Wow, good luck with that! As long as the planes aren't shot at, or passengers kidnapped, could be a money maker, provided they can get crews in and out same day, no overnights, I'm sure that is what is planned. What aircraft is being used on the route?


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User currently offline330lover From Belgium, joined Jul 2008, 589 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5353 times:

737-800
stops in KRT
total time 07:45hrs

return via KRT as well
Though it seems to be a direct MGQ-IST on 343 today. What's the reason for this?

[Edited 2012-03-06 02:54:59]


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User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5337 times:

Quoting 330lover (Reply 2):
Though it seems to be a direct MGQ-IST on 343 today. What's the reason for this?

Taking TK CEO Kotil as well as ministers to celebrate the event.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 1):
Wow, good luck with that! As long as the planes aren't shot at, or passengers kidnapped, could be a money maker, provided they can get crews in and out same day, no overnights, I'm sure that is what is planned.

Staying only 1 hour on the ground in MGQ. In by 7am, out by 8am.


User currently offline330lover From Belgium, joined Jul 2008, 589 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5322 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 3):
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 1):
Wow, good luck with that! As long as the planes aren't shot at, or passengers kidnapped, could be a money maker, provided they can get crews in and out same day, no overnights, I'm sure that is what is planned.

Staying only 1 hour on the ground in MGQ. In by 7am, out by 8am.

What about crew? Do they immediately fly back, or stay in MGQ or KRT?



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3253 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5253 times:

Quoting 330lover (Reply 4):
What about crew? Do they immediately fly back, or stay in MGQ or KRT?

I'm guessing 1 overnight in KRT, then r/t same day to MGQ then back to KRT for another overnight, bet they don't even deplane, I wouldn't want to if I was a crew member, guessing it won't be a popular route bid.



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5235 times:
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Quoting 330lover (Reply 4):
What about crew? Do they immediately fly back, or stay in MGQ or KRT?

Certainly not overnighting in MGQ, but you can never exclude a technical while in MGQ (bird strikes are a major cause of AOGs in Africa...). In that case as crew I'd prefer sleeping in the plane even with an APU out of service !!!



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3253 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5200 times:

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 6):
Certainly not overnighting in MGQ, but you can never exclude a technical while in MGQ (bird strikes are a major cause of AOGs in Africa...). In that case as crew I'd prefer sleeping in the plane even with an APU out of service !!!

Exactly what I'd expect, the safety of TK's passengers & crew would be their first priority I think. Where is the closest diversion point, that TK would be welcome in if something is going down in MGQ? I hope TK takes only cash onboard for duty free.



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2865 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5074 times:

MGQ today is *exactly* what BGW was in the mid-2000s - once a thriving regional aviation hub with a rich history of (long haul international) airline service, but devastated by years of warfare that decimated infrastructure and of course O&D demand. Baghdad then was the infamous airport with the gut-wrenching spiral approach (no regular approaches thanks to the high risk of insurgent missile attacks), the notoriously deadly access road, and an unprecedented laundry list of security checkpoints/measures inside and outside the airport. Even RJ couldn't serve the airport with its own metal: for reasons of insurance liability they had to outsource all ops to a South African F28 operator for several years. But today, the airport has achieved a remarkable sense of normalcy - it hosts a number of prominent foreign operators, including widebody service (EK), LCC service (FZ), and a nonstop link to the heart of Europe on a major Western carrier (OS). With cities like Baghdad and Kabul regaining prominent aviation links, this left Mogadishu as the only major city anywhere in the world with zero airline service by an established, respected airline. Therefore, it was only a matter of time before someone decided to jump on the opportunity. As always, it is the poorest, most conflict ridden places that make the airlines the most money. The likes of Haiti - by far the poorest nation in the Western hemisphere - seem to rake in the dough for the American carriers while the beautiful, peaceful, stable bastions of wealth in Scandinavia are hardly a worthwhile opportunity  . So long as law and order continues to prevail in Mogadishu, what with the western-backed local government now having full control of the city and its airport, I'd say the aviation situation there could look a lot like Baghdad and Kabul in a few years. I bet the major African flag carriers (ET, KQ), Gulf airlines, and even a few big names in Europe will be closely watching how TK does and could jump in soon.

TK is an airline that isn't afraid to fly anywhere. Say what you will about the geopolitical nature of Turkey, but TK was the first European/Western carrier to serve Baghdad and Kabul. They have a relatively long but successful history of serving chronically turbulent regions like the Balkans, Caucasus, and Central Asia (former Soviet Republics). As such, it is hardly surprising that they were brave enough to be the first major airline to serve Somalia's volatile capital.



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User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8114 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4997 times:

Interesting subject. Mogadishu does have some airline service, with 737s, A320s and DC-9s from unheard of airlines flying in from Nairobi, Juba, Hargeisa, places like that. TK is noteworthy because they are a major. But it is not accurate to think there is no airline service to MGQ. Have a look on YouTube, you will find landing and ramp videos with plenty of jets (and lovely Il-18s).

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 1):
As long as the planes aren't shot at

A Turkish Airlines 737 from below looks the same as an anonymous leasing co 737, and the anonymous leasing co hardware doesn't get shot at so I'm sure THY will be safe. Even the guys with guns are grateful for airlinks, otherwise how would they send their wives to London on shopping trips?

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 1):
passengers kidnapped

Once they've cleared customs, they're on their own. But remember Mogadishu is home to millions of people. Yes there is political violence, shootings, car bombings, but daily life mostly revolves around work, food, water, kids, family, transport, usual aspects of life for all of us.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 5):
bet they don't even deplane, I wouldn't want to if I was a crew member, guessing it won't be a popular route bid.

I am also sure they don't deplane but crew don't deplane anywhere where there's a stop of 50 mins eg British Airways in Venice, USAirways in Tuscon, Qantas in Mt Isa. Hard to judge popularity, I don't think any cabin crew will be "scared" to take the trip, more likely they won't like it cos it's three days away without much flying credit for the month.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 7):
I hope TK takes only cash onboard for duty free.

Me no understand.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 8):
TK was the first European/Western carrier to serve Baghdad and Kabul. They have a relatively long but successful history of serving chronically turbulent regions like the Balkans, Caucasus, and Central Asia (former Soviet Republics).

THY are able to do this because they have good relations with the rest of the world (except Kurds) which pays dividends for their domestic economy.



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4434 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4905 times:

We talked about this at "Turkish Aviation" threads when the route announced while back;

-Last year, TK sent in doctors to Somalia with a 343 and brought back bunch of patients to be treated. Also TK collected close to 1 Million TL as donations to Somalia.
-TK and Turkish CAA spent some money and sent in teams to rehabilitate the airport and probably the safety arrangements, there earlier.
-Probably 343 will be replaced by 739ERs later this year. Presently 2 in the fleet, 7 more arriving this year. 738s can do this route also.
-If I remember correctly, the return crew will be ferried, so no overnight crews.

Hope this goes as planned.


User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3445 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4815 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 5):
I wouldn't want to if I was a crew member, guessing it won't be a popular route bid.

I wonder if TK will offer 'combat' pay?

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 7):
Where is the closest diversion point

Probably, ASM or JIB



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User currently offline330lover From Belgium, joined Jul 2008, 589 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4791 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 11):
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 7):
Where is the closest diversion point

Probably, ASM or JIB

Or, more probable IMO: ADD or NBO (TK destinations already, so handling is no problem, staff is there,...)



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User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2899 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4378 times:

The paranoid Dutch government has noticed this development and the immigration minister stated in parliament today that he is worried that Somali refugees will now use these flights to cross the Turkish/Greek land border to ask for political asylum in the Netherlands.

link in Dutch only

Just to provide the context, the Dutch minority government is held hostage by a populist anti-immigration party that they have a parliamentary pact with in order to pass laws (but that party does not take part in the government itself).

Sorry, back to topic.



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User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4328 times:

Ahem, that is utter BS. Illegal immigrants crossing the Greek/Turkish border probably do not take the plane to Turkey from MGQ but cross the Turkey / Iran or Turkey / Iraq border on foot - those are rather difficult to control.

User currently offlineSuperCaravelle From Netherlands, joined Jan 2012, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4315 times:

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 13):
The paranoid Dutch government has noticed this development and the immigration minister stated in parliament today that he is worried that Somali refugees will now use these flights to cross the Turkish/Greek land border to ask for political asylum in the Netherlands.

link in Dutch only

Just to provide the context, the Dutch minority government is held hostage by a populist anti-immigration party that they have a parliamentary pact with in order to pass laws (but that party does not take part in the government itself).

Sorry, back to topic.

  I apologize for this clown that's bringing down our country.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4292 times:

I expect TK's insurance costs are very high for that route.

User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

The prices are actually pretty reasonable for the flight. MSP-MGQ (via ORD and IST) is running about $1800 r/t which about equal to what the local Somalis currently pay to get to NBO or DXB (before they buy a separate ticket or go overland to Somalia). I suspect TK will become very popular around here (we have a TON of Somalis).

[Edited 2012-03-06 14:38:30]

User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17495 posts, RR: 45
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4045 times:

There's an article on Mogadishu in this month's TK inflight magazine, right after the article about San Francisco 


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User currently offlineETinCaribe From Ethiopia, joined Dec 2009, 734 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3923 times:

Bravo TK!!! For sure an important milestone, hopefully a sign of things to come. I suspect that there is some deal with the Islamists to avoid attacks on TK - pure speculation on my part.

Any speculations on who will follow TK into MGQ?


User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 731 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3860 times:

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 19):
Any speculations on who will follow TK into MGQ?

Gotta be one from the Gulf. My bets are on QR ...  


User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2974 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3828 times:

Here you can see some pictures from the first flight: http://www.airturkhaber.com/haber_detay.asp?haberID=4596

User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2640 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3817 times:
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This might seem like a stupid question, however since there are a lot of diplomats and UN officials using the airport, and TK being famous for their business class product, is the airport equipped with a business class lounge?

User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5090 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3756 times:

Having been to MGQ, this is exciting  . Also, I have maintained for a while that I am a BIG fan of TK ... and this continue to be the right step forward. Now, if only they can make the connections @ IST a little bit better ... especially the annoying security checks for CDN/USA/ISR flights. I recognize they are necessary - but other countries handle it much better.

Saludos,
A.



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User currently offlineSuperCaravelle From Netherlands, joined Jan 2012, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3580 times:

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 21):
Here you can see some pictures from the first flight: http://www.airturkhaber.com/haber_de...=4596

Excellent photos, nice to see the happiness on the faces of the population. This must be a major step forward for the region  


25 RWA380 : BA and I don't know if VS is included in this too, BA was taking credit cards for duty free goods onboard on the LON-LOS route, and apparently a lot
26 Post contains links TK787 : Didn't know about this 12,000 people tent city ran by the Turkish Red Crescent, and the two hospitals Turkey is building there; http://www.hurriyetdai
27 ASA : Good to see the photos!!! The airport looks pretty nice for a war-torn region. Looks like it was freshly renovated. The TIKA plaque says that the airp
28 klwright69 : I have a good Somali friend here in Saudi Arabia. He was just in Mogadishu a few months ago. He gave me some insight into this situation. He is actual
29 Pe@rson : Of course, those are just guesses; after all, he would have done no in-depth analysis and forecasting. Still, it was good to get a Somali's perspecti
30 Tdan : Not a formal analysis, but given that this is the only online connection for thousands and thousands of people to return home in addition to the high
31 Pe@rson : I didn't say it wouldn't do well. I just said those are guesses, and without formal analysis just that. Still, as I said, it's good to get a Somali's
32 klwright69 : Yes, not a formal analysis. I just wanted to share the insight and observation from someone who was just there. It's not like you run into people eve
33 Post contains images Pe@rson : Please don't misinterpret what I meant - I am very glad to hear from a Somali about it. TK would, of course, have done all necessary analysis. And I
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