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Qatar Airways Announces Its First B787 Routes  
User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 741 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 26088 times:

Qatar Airways to operate B787 on Gulf routes followed by Doha- London Heathrow.
QR Will also display its new B787 at Farnborough show.

Anyone with more information on it's new product?

Info takes from QR twitter page.

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User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4834 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 25937 times:

Configuration is 22J and 240Y

They are getting 5 B787s this year and looks like 1 will be dedicated for a daily LHR rotation. Should be interesting to see which EU routes in particular will be shifted from A332 to B787.

Something out of the box I may add...operating a B787 on a new long haul route such as BOS-DOH might do ok for QR as B6 have a good presence there as do UA. There is medium sized demand from BOS to GCC, Indian Subcontinent and Asia (BKK/SIN/CGK/CAN/KUL) that QR can definitely take advantage of with a 5 weekly frequency initially.


User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 25236 times:

Quoting santos (Thread starter):
Anyone with more information on it's new product?

New Product looks good to me, reverse herringbone seems very much in ATM. Reminds me of the UA F seat, whilst I haven't sat in it, looks much nicer then the EK J seat on any of their fleet 777 or A380. Looking forward to seeing the finer details! One thing about QR is that they never seem to go cheap on the hardproduct and attention to detail is never lacking so should be impressive!
Will they retrofit it to the rest of the fleet? Do they have enough slack to take them out of service for the refit?

Courtesy of the QR Facebook page.

Seems a small aircraft to be sending to LHR. Is the 5 daily frequency really needed? Must be time to start up-gauging surely?

And what is the plans with F is it going or staying only for LHR? If it does stay I can't wait to see the seats!!

[Edited 2012-03-07 05:25:43]

[Edited 2012-03-07 05:27:10]

User currently offlineblr380 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 24794 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 1):

I agree - BOS certainly can support 787 from QR. Note that BOS (and New England region) has a lot of North African immigrants as well in addition to asian population. It is only a matter of time we see at least a couple of new 787 routes from BOS past the JAL launch (whenever it really begins).


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 24764 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 2):
And what is the plans with F is it going or staying only for LHR? If it does stay I can't wait to see the seats!!

F class is staying but only for the A380s which QR has on order. It's likely that LHR will be the first route to see QR's A380.


User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 24598 times:

Quoting santos (Thread starter):
Configuration is 22J and 240Y

Interesting! Then I assume Y will be 9 abreast?

ET will have a configuration of 24C+246Y, with 9 abreast in Y.

/Alex



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User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 24537 times:

More photos and details from the QR press release and website ( I cut a few pieces out as they were not relevant)

Business And Economy Class Seats Make Debut At World’s Biggest Travel Show
Berlin Mayor Joins Airline CEO For Launch On Carrier’s New Exhibition Stand
07 Mar 2012

A striking feature of every seat throughout the aircraft will be the award-winning touch screen Android technology control units that will debut on Qatar Airways’ 787s. Passengers will be able to navigate through a truly interactive system, offering more than 1,000 movie, TV programmes, music and gaming entertainment options in a sophisticated and user friendly way, just like the latest smart phones.
The touch-screen control unit has a unique dual screen interface allowing passengers to play games on their handheld device while enjoying a movie on their personal screen.

Passengers can be fully connected through WIFI and GSM telephony, sending both text and MMS messages. Voice calls, although possible, will be disabled to minimise passenger disruption.
With a 1–2–1 configuration in Business Class, the layout features two less seats than competitors on conventional wide body aircraft, more typical of a First Class cabin where each passenger is assured of direct aisle access.

The seat offers considerable personal space – almost double than existing business cabins – allowing passengers to sit back and relax in a 22-inch wide armchair that converts at a touch of a button into different cradle positions before reaching an extremely generous 80-inch long, 30-inch wide flat bed offering exceptional legroom.
Armrests can be fully adjusted to different heights to complement different body positions while dining, reading, working or resting. Passengers will also be able to dine and work comfortably with an elegant wood trimmed large sliding table. When dining begins, passengers can easily rest their laptops on the side table. There is ample storage space such as a show drawer and side compartment for personal belongings. The seats, produced by B/E Aerospace, also feature generous 17-inch personal touch screen TV monitors.

In Economy Class, configured 3–3–3, the Recaro-produced seats embody the very latest in design technology and materials assuring all passengers have a high degree comfort and personal space. Featuring one less seat per row than competitors on other wide body aircraft, the Economy seats promise to offer a totally different travel experience.

With 7 inches of recline, both the seat cushion and backrest adjust to ‘cradle’ the passenger into greater comfort. The slim-line seat design set at a pitch of 32 inches, together with a 16.9-inch width, offers more personal space than ever before. The adjustable hammock-style headrest allows passengers to comfortably support their head while resting.
Each Economy Class seat is fitted with 10.6-inch seat back TV monitors offering passengers optimum viewing of a wide array of in-flight entertainment options.

Qatar Airways Chief Executive Officer Akbar Al Baker said: “As we prepare to take delivery of our first Boeing 787 just months away, we are delighted to announce today a whole new passenger travel experience with the unveiling of our brand new seats that will be onboard the world’s newest aircraft. Space, comfort and ensuring our passengers have the best onboard entertainment options are key elements of our new Boeing 787s, promising to set new benchmarks in air travel. Qatar Airways has taken a lot of time and effort in ensuring we are true leaders in the field rather than followers, meticulously working with manufacturers on specific seat design and features. The 787 aircraft architecture is such that a lot of attention has been placed by Boeing on spacious cabins, which we are maximising to ensure our passengers get what they pay for – value for money and a great travel experience,” added Al Baker, speaking at ITB Berlin, an event that attracts tens of thousands of travel industry professionals from around the world.
Qatar Airways is the first Middle East customer of the Boeing 787, with 60 aircraft on order, including options. The Doha-based airline is preparing to take delivery of five 787s during 2012, with the first set to arrive in Qatar this summer.
The carrier will initially operate the aircraft on intra-Gulf routes to provide flight crew with training hours before Qatar Airways’ 787 is scheduled to appear on static display at the Farnborough Air Show in July and then enter its first long-haul commercial service on the Doha – London Heathrow route.

The 787 is quieter than other aircraft allowing passengers to work, sleep or relax in peace. With the largest windows in the industry and first-of-its-kind electronic touch pad controls to adjust the amount of light entering the cabin, passengers are able to look outside without glare, replacing conventional blinds. Business Class passengers will exclusively be able to control the large window shades through their personal touch screen control units.








Well I for one look forward to trying the new seats and IFE out. I doubt they will refit the 777s soon, but I hope all future ones are delivered with these features.


User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4053 posts, RR: 33
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 24401 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 6):
Featuring one less seat per row than competitors on other wide body aircraft,

I assume he means, other wide body aircraft that are wider??

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 6):
together with a 16.9-inch width

Does he think this is good? Or does he only travel in business!!


User currently offlinealexsuprabieber From UK - England, joined Nov 2011, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 23273 times:

Looks absolutely great!

User currently offlineshankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 22660 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 2):
Seems a small aircraft to be sending to LHR

Agree. One assumes this is a blue ribband position rather than the right aircraft for this route. The Airbuses are now very tired up front now though so it will provide a welcome upgrade

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 2):
reverse herringbone seems very much in ATM

As far as I am concerned its the Emperors New Clothes. Too clever by half. Give me a forward or fully reversed facing seat any day of the week.



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User currently offlinemarkcaine From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 21056 times:

Thought MAN was one of the routes being touted as seeing Qatar B787's?

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19246 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 19758 times:

Quoting blr380 (Reply 3):
BOS (and New England region) has a lot of North African

That would require a lot of backtracking and additional time and miles to reach via DOH!

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 2):
Is the 5 daily frequency really needed? Must be time to start up-gauging surely?

Note that its fifth-daily service hasn't yet begun, and it's operating four-daily. They have such frequency to feed their growing banks (by contrast, EK has 8 daily flights to LHR and LGW combined). As an example, its flights today were operated by the 77W, 346 (x2), and 332.



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2556 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 19653 times:

Quoting markcaine (Reply 10):
Thought MAN was one of the routes being touted as seeing Qatar B787's?

It will probably fly to MAN after starting LHR, Im sure someone can confirm



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User currently offlineAtlflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 737 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 18794 times:

Very disappointed with 16.9" width and 3-3-3 in economy. Their 777s are a full 2 inches wider!!!
Also these business seats seem to cover the window!


User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 660 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 18207 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 1):

Configuration is 22J and 240Y



Wow, that's going to be a squeeze



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17786 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17940 times:

Is that the US/CX J seat?


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User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8578 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17745 times:
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I much prefer the ANA Y seat, the fact that the person in front cannot recline into you is a winner IMO.

Also prefer their 2-4-2 layout over the QR 3-3-3 layout.



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User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3048 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17370 times:

Quoting Atlflyer (Reply 13):
Very disappointed with 16.9" width and 3-3-3 in economy. Their 777s are a full 2 inches wider!!!

I ditto that...

Boeing brag about the new lighter, airy cabins and how the passenger experience will be improved... This is very much at the airlines mercy.

The cabin is only 8 inches wider than the A330 (fuselage 17.4ft), and by fitting in an extra seat, this is going to make for very narrow aisles. Unfortunately it seems most airlines are going to go this option, while all the Boeing promo video's are showing economy cabins with a 2-4-2 config.

Im wondering if it is only a matter of time, before QR's 777 are altered to 10 abreast? Both Emirates and Etihad have done this.


User currently offlineAtlflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 737 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17014 times:

From the QR press release:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 6):
The slim-line seat design set at a pitch of 32 inches, together with a 16.9-inch width, offers more personal space than ever before.

Ummm...how can they offer more personal space when their 777s are 2 inches wider and offer up to 34 inches of pitch! Whoever wrote this press release must have never sat in any of these seats.


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1722 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 16780 times:

Looks very nice might have to give Qatar a try soon, The middle East Airlines do like there big TV screens!

MAN will come online 2013 ish, after they have done the LHR route first,

[Edited 2012-03-07 15:38:02]


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User currently offlineCarfield From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1943 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 16730 times:

The new business class seats look amazing and league ahead of Emirates. I guess the reverse herringbone seats receive the best reviews from J passengers, which will be the future of most next generation business class products, and I like the fact that every seat has direct aisle access.

But the new economy class is disappointing and after flying 787 myself in Y, I can't imagine how the 9 abreast seating is great for passengers and I sincerely hope no one will seriously considered a ten abreast seating. Folks tend to forget the compromise with the 3-4-3 abreast seating is the extra two inches of legroom on EK 777s. I don't want to misquote myself, but can anyone verify that 787 is not as wide as 777? Visually I don't think so, but I am sure some of you have the answers here...

Carfield


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16073 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 1):
Something out of the box I may add...operating a B787 on a new long haul route such as BOS-DOH might do ok for QR as B6 have a good presence there as do UA. There is medium sized demand from BOS to GCC, Indian Subcontinent and Asia (BKK/SIN/CGK/CAN/KUL) that QR can definitely take advantage of with a 5 weekly frequency initially.

Certainly. A number of people here think DXB would work for the same reason, one or the other is bound to happen sooner or later.



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User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 15712 times:

More pics, via aviationweek.



I like it. Although I wish the shells were the same shade of gray as their 777s' business cabin.



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User currently offlineAAExecplat From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 636 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 15663 times:

The business class seats look rather cramped and the 16.9 inch seat width has to be a joke. That would be a seating arrangement to absolutely avoid...

User currently offlineAtlflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 737 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 15299 times:

Quoting AAExecplat (Reply 23):

I thought the 787 could have a 17.5" seat at 9 abreast and QR goes for 16.9"? Never expected anything but 2-4-2 from them. Guess they are becoming just like Emirates and Etihad.


25 RyanairGuru : At 16.9" they're narrower than both EK and EY with their 10-abrest 777s.
26 QatarA340 : True. 787 is narrower than a 777. I like the gray as well. I honestly think its a mistype! I tweeted to Qatar Airways to verify and they still did no
27 Post contains images columba : Any chance we will see it in BER (or even TXL)
28 Post contains images r2rho : ...and the dreaded 9-abreast 787 configuration begins... I expect many more airlines to follow, just like 10-abreast 777's are becoming the new standa
29 behramjee : sorry configuration is 22J and 220Y so 242 seats in total on board
30 Atlflyer : 22J 232 Y I believe for a cramped total of 254.
31 Post contains links behramjee : yes you are right...I just found out too officially and from this article...so basically QR B788s can operate on routes currently flown with the B77L
32 YTZ : In the other thread, I had predicted this. There is no economic rationale for going with 8 abreast for an airline. Anybody that cares about Y Pax comf
33 YTZ : Kinda reminds me of NZ's Premium Economy cabin....
34 Airxliban : Anyone have a view as to which of QR's 5 daily LHR flights will move to the 787? My guess would be that it would replace a 777 on the route making it
35 Post contains images rogercamel : They currently have 4 - so this is an extra service. I'd like to see DOH-BOS on 787 though - I'd use it if the connections in DOH were good Trying to
36 Airxliban : There is a 5th starting this month
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