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Zimbabwe Now With UM Gone, What's Next?  
User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3253 posts, RR: 5
Posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4404 times:

Just wondering what Zimbabwe will need to do, in order to secure air travel, in country and International. I think Zimbabwe will need to let SAA or Comair S.A. to operate limited inter country flights, or find another investor to help establish a new carrier in Zimbabwe (Good luck with that) And for International routes, they are going to have to make it so airlines like BA can re-establish or establish new Intl. routes from HRE or Zimbabwe nationals will mostly need to transit JNB to get anywhere. New carriers like EK are going to be doing pretty well operating there.


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User currently offline757ops From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4210 times:

Maybe ET could extend its daily HRE flight to BUQ with traffic rights?

User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7531 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4120 times:

I cannot see Zimbabwe letting BA operate to HRE. It surprises me enough that they allow Comair to fly between JNB and HRE and VFA (Victoria Falls) in aircraft painted in BA livery with a BA flight number. I thought anything 'British' was totally anathema to Robert Mugabe.

User currently offlinemainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2097 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3941 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 2):
I thought anything 'British' was totally anathema to Robert Mugabe.

Probably not.....it's all bluster from him.

I can see Zimbabwe relying solely on Gulf links, as well as airlines from neighbouring states. When (if) its economy ever improves to pre 1990 levels, maybe a new incumbent Zimbabwean airline might surface. Shameful when you consider HRE once had LZ, TP, BA, LH and QF.


User currently offlineTravellerPlus From New Zealand, joined Nov 2008, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

Does anyone know if ground handling arrangements for the overseas airlines that serve Zim have been affected by UM's demise?


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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3253 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3430 times:

What I think the first issue is, Internal travel issues. HRE-BUQ (My families hometown), HRE-VFA, right now one would need to connect in JNB with an overnight, at least one of the ways, to fly routes like this. What once took an hour, now takes an entire day with ground time in JNB, sure the fares are outrageous as well. The limited tourism that flies to Zimbabwe does mostly transit JNB anyway, but often times internal flights are needed for tourism and business.

Doesn't Mugabe still have those 2 Chinese airplanes he was gifted by China? Are those Air Zim planes or his personal?



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3253 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3373 times:

Quoting 757ops (Reply 1):
Maybe ET could extend its daily HRE flight to BUQ with traffic rights?

Yes, this is exactly what I'm talking about. I don't know if the VFA runway can handle much more than a 737 or 727 and not fully loaded, Too bad Zimbabwe has ruined relations will almost all it's neighbors, if Zimbabwe is ever to survive, it's going to need some kind of internal operation, a small fleet of 73M's would benefit the country. Forget flying outside of the country, and surely some kind of internal operation should happen, not sure how much business there, or how good the rail system is any more. in Rhodesia times, the railways were well run and extensive.



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User currently offlinemetalinyoni From South Africa, joined Oct 2005, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3327 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 5):
Are those Air Zim planes or his personal?

Air Zim planes not Bob's.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 2):
I thought anything 'British' was totally anathema to Robert Mugabe.

he loves everything British and that's why he takes it so hard when he is banned from going there.

As for what happens now. With the indigenisation of the economy you will probably find that airlines are a strategic industry and can therefore only be owned by black Zimbabweans. The problem with this is that there are not a lot of Zimbabweans who can bank role an airline and any wishing to borrow money locally or internationally will find it virtually impossible. So I don't see any locally owned airlines starting anytime soon. Hopefully I am wrong.

Although I would be tempted to wetlease a 762 from London to Hre three time a week - I think that could be a goer!



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User currently offlineLGWGate49 From Sudan, joined Nov 2009, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3268 times:

There was talk about a new airline, Vic-Falls Airways, a couple of years back (even that they'd acquired a 762):

http://www.vfairways.com/

The website is still live, but I assume this is dead in the water?



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User currently offlinemetalinyoni From South Africa, joined Oct 2005, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2894 times:

Well we finally have an answer. Seemingly the Zim govt was wound up Air Zimbabwe Holdings and formed a new company Air Zimbabwe Limited and are actively looking for stakeholders to invest in the airline. More of the same really and I don't see how this setup will not have the same outcome as the previous company.

http://www.herald.co.zw/index.php?op...im&catid=37:top-stories&Itemid=130



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User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7604 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2473 times:

Who would invest in this outfit.

Beachfront property in Arizona anyone?.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3253 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2314 times:

The same people who invested millions into telecommunications in Zimbabwe, the Chinese. Lord only knows why, but it seems that China is happily investing money in Africa, the entire region. Doesn't Zimbabwe produce a fair amount of copper still?


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User currently offlineoutbackair From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2250 times:
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Quoting RWA380 (Reply 11):
Lord only knows why, but it seems that China is happily investing money in Africa, the entire region.

Why? Because it gives them just about unlimited trade access for their goods and more importantly, access to minerals which China needs. Very smart move.

One word says it all - corruption. Have a good position in and African government? Make friends with the Chinese, you are bound to find yourself being wined and dined in China and who knows what else in exchange for government contracts.

Air Zimbabwe already used Chinese aircraft (not that they were popular). Wouldn't be surprising in the next few years to see more Chinese airliners (ARJ 21 and C 919) in Zimbabwe and all over Africa as they come into production

Don't forget, China is also able to export a massive amount of arms, including military aircraft.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7531 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2074 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 11):
Doesn't Zimbabwe produce a fair amount of copper still?

I think you've answered your own question. And in addition to copper Zimbabwe has gold, nickel, coal, chromium, silver, emeralds, lithium, tin, iron ore and cobalt. And, of course, the PRC needs most if not quite all these comodoties to fuel its economic growth and they could sell the emeralds to the Near or Middle East.

So, yes. If Mugabe made Air Zimbwabe (or whatever) a priority, then I suspect the, with its huge pile of hard currency would at least consider the investment. But I~ suspect if they did invest they wopuld want a significant say in running the new airline.


User currently offlinemetalinyoni From South Africa, joined Oct 2005, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2011 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 11):
Zimbabwe produce a fair amount of copper still?

I think you are probably thinking of Zambia which was / is a major copper producer. Zimbabwe has never been a major producer of the stuff although it does get produced in limited quantities.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 13):
But I~ suspect if they did invest they wopuld want a significant say in running the new airline.

I agree - if you could run the airline without any political interference then there could be a nice little business to be had. But as it would be considered a strategic industry there is no chance of this happening.



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User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2640 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1928 times:
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Could we see an air link opening up between Iran and Zimbabwe?

http://www.tehrantimes.com/politics/...ased-defense-cooperation-with-iran


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3253 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1853 times:

Quoting metalinyoni (Reply 14):

I think you are probably thinking of Zambia which was / is a major copper producer. Zimbabwe has never been a major producer of the stuff although it does get produced in limited quantities

My family is from Zimbabwe, we have lots of copper plaques, art objects etc.... all from Rhodesia or Zimbabwe made of pure copper, my uncle used to deal in the stuff for the Rhodesian government, before he was killed, after Mugabe took over in 1980.



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User currently offlinesepultallica From Niger, joined Sep 2009, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1775 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 16):
My family is from Zimbabwe, we have lots of copper plaques, art objects etc.... all from Rhodesia or Zimbabwe made of pure copper, my uncle used to deal in the stuff for the Rhodesian government, before he was killed, after Mugabe took over in 1980.

Things have changed alot since then man. Mhangura Copper Mines were the largest producers of copper in Zim until they were closed 13 years back. Since then, the cost of extracting the metal from the low grade ore has made the mines unfeasible (though there are rumours that the Russians are about to change all that).



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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1735 times:

If memory serves me correctly, BA until rather recently had service from LHR to HRE - I believe it was terminated in the mid-2000's? A lot of that traffic is already well served through JNB and DXB though...

I would not be surprised to see some increases in capacity from extant destinations. Air Namibia is also starting a Windhoek route in a few weeks' time.



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