QatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1618 posts, RR: 7 Posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks ago) and read 6855 times:
From Qatar Airways twitter:
1. Qatar to resume Yangon, Myanmar 3 weekly A319 from October
2. Baghdad: June 4 times weekly A320
3. Erbil: May 2012 4 times weekly A320
4. Kilmanjaro (I thought it was a mountain!): Daily A320 via Nairobi
5. Belgrade: 4 times A320 via Ankara
Bummer Belgrade wasnt direct to compete with FlyDubai! I think eventually it will be though. Kilmanjaro is a surprise though, and 2 cities in Iraq!
Glad to see QR reinstate Yangon, although a downgrade from the previous A300-600R operations.
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 25113 posts, RR: 60 Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks ago) and read 6829 times:
Great news for BEG will really be great for opening up a whole new route network and not having to back track to VIE FRA CDG etc..Wonder how this will affect TK.
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ju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6 Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6729 times:
Great news for Belgrade, nice number of frequencies as well. I do wonder what impact flydubai will have on them since they will operate 5 weekly direct flights out of Belgrade this summer.
RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2220 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6729 times:
Quoting QatarA340 (Thread starter): 4. Kilmanjaro (I thought it was a mountain!): Daily A320 via Nairobi
I am glad to see a good alternative getting into JRO, KL has had the monopoly on this city for years. KL stayed because they made money at it. QR can attract North American and European passengers with a daily service, there are lots of mountain climbers that scale Kilimanjaro every year. Do they have 5th freedom rights between NBO & JRO?
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This will be very popular out of MEL along ZAG too!
Now when will this new airport of theirs open? The current one isn't too far off breaking point. Don't get me wrong it is exceptionally well organised for what it is and the staff do their best, but it is hampering their efforts!
Do QR have connection banks like EK?
Would love QR to extend QR030/QR031 through to AKL, ala EK406/407. Arrive early in the morning into MEL and then onto AKL then a few hours on the ground returning at night. Would be a much better arrival time into MEL then the current 22:30, not sure how it would connect with the EU and Africa flights out of DOH... Pipe dream!
leftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 656 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6635 times:
Quoting OA260 (Reply 1): Great news for BEG will really be great for opening up a whole new route network and not having to back track to VIE FRA CDG etc..Wonder how this will affect TK.
Since it is one stop it might not affect them much. Only for those places TK doesn't have nonstop flights from IST maybe, like Australia.
Although it makes sense for them to fly to Iraq being in the same region and all, I don't know if I would like the backtracking involved from Europe to Iraq via Qatar. Maybe less annoying if you are flying from the US.
It's an airport near Arusha. KL flies there as well with an A332, with a stop at DAR on the way back.
Talking about KL, I wonder when QR will add AMS? I've heard they want to, not surprising with the success EK has there. Guess getting the right slot times will be a complication.
ju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6 Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6517 times:
Quoting behramjee (Reply 7): Adding EBL and BGW will definitely help lift the yields and loads of their European bound flights in particular CPH/ARN/LHR/FRA/MUC!
Wouldn't it be still faster and cheaper to fly on TK from these destination to EBL and BGW?
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4114 posts, RR: 13 Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6464 times:
Quoting behramjee (Reply 7): Adding EBL and BGW will definitely help lift the yields and loads of their European bound flights in particular CPH/ARN/LHR/FRA/MUC!
Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 5): I don't know if I would like the backtracking involved from Europe to Iraq via Qatar.
With options like LH, OS, RJ, TK, Atlasjet even Pegasus, MEA, Iraqi..... who would want to do this longer option? Am I missing something?
leftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 656 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6420 times:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 10): With options like LH, OS, RJ, TK, Atlasjet even Pegasus, MEA, Iraqi..... who would want to do this longer option? Am I missing something?
I totally agree. It's like me taking the IST-FCO flight via RIX my flight search engine keeps trying to sell me No way for me, unless it is half the price.
sq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1594 posts, RR: 21 Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6049 times:
Quoting QatarA340 (Thread starter): 1. Qatar to resume Yangon, Myanmar 3 weekly A319 from October
Holy hell that's a long A319 flight! How long is it? Didn't realize the aircraft had the legs to do this flight. What kind of traffic would they be attracting? Certainly not high yield I'm assuming, mostly backpacker traffic to Indochina? With the A319 they won't be able to carry much cargo, and their Business cabin must be tiny.
Quoting ju068 (Reply 8): Wouldn't it be still faster and cheaper to fly on TK from these destination to EBL and BGW?
Yep and TK has the benefit of Star behind them.
Quoting QatarA340 (Thread starter): 4. Kilmanjaro (I thought it was a mountain!): Daily A320 via Nairobi
How long is this flight? It surprises me that QR has stuck with the A320 on NBO - it's one of the major hubs of East Africa...maybe its for lack of aircraft?
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15813 posts, RR: 50 Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6016 times:
Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 15): Yep and TK has the benefit of Star behind them.
leftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 656 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5987 times:
Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 15): Holy hell that's a long A319 flight! How long is it?
According to GCM it is 2538nm. Well within the range of A319, and if they are flying this with the LR variant, it is even less of an issue. DOH and in fact most Gulf airports are not that far from places like Thailand, Myanmar, Bangladesh - in fact this flight is shorther than DOH-OSL.
migair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1280 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5507 times:
Quoting QatarA340 (Thread starter): 4. Kilmanjaro (I thought it was a mountain!): Daily A320 via Nairobi
It is, the airport is very close to the mountain, it also serves to the city or Moshi and Arusha.
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 3): Do they have 5th freedom rights between NBO & JRO?
I don´t think so, they already operate NBO-DAR with no rights. Also Swiss NBO-DAR-NBO and ET MBA-JRO-MBA. there´re 4 daily NBO-JRO-NBO flight by Precision air ATR-72 codesharing with KQ.
Quoting 757ops (Reply 12): JRO is a big market ex Europe for ET and KQ looks like this will start a price war!
It is indeed, lot of people going to the mountain but also to Arusha, starting point of many safari circuits.
Actually QR operates 2 daily DAR flight one via NBO, so I guess that one one will be DOH-NBO-JRO, and I think QR already announce that the secon daily to DAR will be direct.
Quoting ojas (Reply 17): Qatar Airways has also announced MBA via DAR from August 15th
It could be a nice option, but I think the idea was to codeshare with Precision Air on the DAR-MBA route, that´s why PW now operates direct to MBA and not via ZNZ. We will see what happens.
behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4478 posts, RR: 43 Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5498 times:
Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 9): Indeed. CPH to BGW, for example, is 1956nm via IST, 2005nm via VIE, 2167nm via AMM versus 3103nm via DOH.
Quoting ju068 (Reply 8): Wouldn't it be still faster and cheaper to fly on TK from these destination to EBL and BGW?
Quoting TK787 (Reply 10): With options like LH, OS, RJ, TK, Atlasjet even Pegasus, MEA, Iraqi..... who would want to do this longer option? Am I missing something?
I think the three of you need to see why 1000s of pax fly from Europe via DXB/AUH/DOH to JNB/CPT/NBO/ADD/DAR in spite of it being a much longer routing than either nonstop or via another EU hub airport. In addition, EK carries a huge chunk of pax from LAX/SFO/IAH via DXB to East/West/South Africa as well which is another example of massive back tracking. Bottom line is that it does not matter what the distance is but rather what your fare + connection time + frequency level per week is.
pnd100 From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5438 times:
Quoting behramjee (Reply 20): I think the three of you need to see why 1000s of pax fly from Europe via DXB/AUH/DOH to JNB/CPT/NBO/ADD/DAR in spite of it being a much longer routing than either nonstop or via another EU hub airport. In addition, EK carries a huge chunk of pax from LAX/SFO/IAH via DXB to East/West/South Africa as well which is another example of massive back tracking. Bottom line is that it does not matter what the distance is but rather what your fare + connection time + frequency level per week is.
Agreed. EK's fare structure & connectivity attracts many flyers. I suspect that a large number of them are VFR and/or infrequent & so the routing is a small concern for them
ju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6 Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3772 times:
Quoting behramjee (Reply 20): I think the three of you need to see why 1000s of pax fly from Europe via DXB/AUH/DOH to JNB/CPT/NBO/ADD/DAR in spite of it being a much longer routing than either nonstop or via another EU hub airport. In addition, EK carries a huge chunk of pax from LAX/SFO/IAH via DXB to East/West/South Africa as well which is another example of massive back tracking. Bottom line is that it does not matter what the distance is but rather what your fare + connection time + frequency level per week is.
Yes but Europe-Africa is a different market from Europe-Iraq (or the Middle East as a whole) so I do not think we can compare the two. Turkish Airlines will be adding a huge number of frequencies to its existing European netowrk which should facilitate connections even more from Istanbul to Asia. The airline has already a solid network out of Istanbul to Iraq, which means that when these additional flights are launched it will become even more convenient for those heading to Iraq.
That is why it will be difficult for Qatar to compete with Turkish Airlines on the Iraqi market, since TK can offer flexibility which is important this day in age.
What Qatar can do is aim at the market from Iraq to Asia and Africa.
QatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1618 posts, RR: 7 Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3599 times:
There is a HUGE Iraqi population in the Arabian Gulf, especially in the UAE. The Market that QR is aiming for is not only Transfer; its also O and D (from/to Arabian Gulf).
Still, no Los Angeles or San Fransisco, or Chicago!
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25 behramjee: Still there is enough room for QR to grab a slice of the pie. Also there are pax who will not want to fly TK and instead opt for a widebody A330 on t
26 RWA380: I am also surprised, and I'd expect you are correct this sounds much more like an A332 route, but maybe it will build to that in a few years, I expec
27 SurfandSnow: Apparently this route was doing very well before, but the powers that be (most likely the U.S. and/or U.K.) pressured Qatar/QR to put a stop to the r
28 QatarA340: Interesting point; but it could also mean something else0. lol i mean after the notable democratic progress, we could see Myanmar increase its precen
29 migair54: Harare is a big possibility given that Air Zimbabwe is close and they are no longer blocking other carriers, EK already start the route DXB-LUN-HRA-D
32 ojas: Here are the schedules 1) Erbil Effective 23 May QR 446 DOH - EBL 0915 1150 Tu, We 2hrs 35mins QR 447 EBL - DOH 1250 1510 Tu, We 2hrs 35mins QR 444 DO
33 Tupolev160: Any official news on QR to KBP and LED?
34 boeing773W: Does anyone know if the DOH-OTP-SOF route is doing alright?
35 kotoka: Effective August 1st, EK replaces the 345 with 773 to ACC daily. I'm surprised QR hasn't yet announced ACC.
36 ojas: Schedules to Kilimanjaro and Mombasa have been announced. QR will have 5th rights between NBO and JRO and also between MBA and DAR.
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