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Brazilian Aviation News 13  
User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 19062 times:

As the previous thread is becoming too long with 250+ replies, something not good for our fellow members without fast speed internet connections, we are opening the thread # 13

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Brazilian Aviation News 12 (by LipeGIG Sep 15 2011 in Civil Aviation)

Picking up where we left off

From CNForever:

"After GRU and GIG, CNF is for sure the third market in Brazil. There is a good mix of leisure and business traffic.
If it is high yield enough, I can only say that AA flies red eye both ways and parks the plane all day in the airport.
Only GRU, GIG and CNF have this privilege.

About one plane per route, many other airlines, work this way even to GRU and GIG.
AF, KL, IB, BA and LH to GIG. So it is not impossible for one of them to start in CNF flying with only one plane.

Regards"

It would be nice to see some competition. LIS is somewhat limited in terms of frequency and destinations. I'd rather see IB though so I could accrue on my AAdvantage account.

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User currently offlineCNForever From Brazil, joined Apr 2011, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 19369 times:

IMHO IB and MAD does not aggregates much more than TP and LIS.
What CNF needs to Europe, is a Global carrier with links worldwide.

In order of preference

BA - Maybe when LHR gets another runway and more slots. And TAM joins OW
LH - Due to their very conservative strategy and focus in ultra high yield mkts, Maybe in 2020...
AF - Has good chances due to the good O&D between CNF and CDG and adds some destinations in Asia and ME.


User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 19302 times:

Quoting CNForever (Reply 1):

I think that, at least as far as Europe is concerned, IB offers a lot more flexibility and a substantially more comprehensive network. You may have a point as far as long haul is concerned, but I don't think that's where the money is (at least not from CNF).

I agree with you about AF and LH. However, I don't see BA venturing into CNF at all. South America is little more than an afterthought for them. The only possibility I see for a CNF-LHR is with JJ. Still, even if they join Oneworld, MAD is much more likely to happen. The costs are much lower and the shorter stage lengths make it possible for an under 24 hour rotation using just one plane.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 19220 times:
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Trip will offer GRU-BEL 6x weekly E190

Austral will offer AEP-GRU daily E190

Azul to offer a daily POA-NVT-GIG daily E190

LH to downgauge GRU-MUC to A343 from A346, keep daily

IB to upgauge MAD-GRU daylight from A343 to A346, subject to ANAC approval

TAAG to offer LAD-GIG and LAD-GRU 3x weekly

Rumors that TAM will offer again GIG-FRA daily by November

AF to offer again B744 daily on CDG-GIG redeye service



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 19060 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
Austral will offer AEP-GRU daily E190

The flight is currently operated by Aerolineas Argentinas into EZE-GRU; 4x weekly with 73G.
It will be gradually transferred to Austral on a daily basis with E90 on board E90 aircraft from July 02nd.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineloalq From Switzerland, joined Jan 2007, 224 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 18879 times:

Lipe, thanks for the info on EK, good to know they are doing well in GIG, they have quite a solid product and excellent connections to Asia via DXB. A much needed operator in GIG.

Also good to know that QR will fly to Rio as well, their business product is definitively the benchmark of the industry nowadays and expected to get even better with the new seats coming around. They just need to get the new DOH up and running QUICKLY, the current "bus station" solution there is not really good.

Regards!



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32781 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 18572 times:

Ten largest U.S.-Brazil O&D markets in 2011, JAN11-DEC11.

1) Miami-Sao Paulo
2) New York-Sao Paulo
3) New York-Rio de Janeiro
4) Miami-Rio de Janeiro
5) Miami-Brasilia
6) Los Angeles-Sao Paulo
7) Miami-Belo Horizonte
8) Chicago-Sao Paulo
9) Miami-Manaus
10) Houston-Rio de Janeiro

MIABSB market has exploded. At this rate it could overtake JFKGIG and MIAGIG; it's not far behind.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 18530 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):

MIABSB market has exploded. At this rate it could overtake JFKGIG and MIAGIG; it's not far behind.

Probably if JJ makes MIA-BSB a daily flight later this year.
GIG is more diversified than BSB so it's not a surprise at all, and MIAGIG will be almost the same size in terms of seats of MIABSB.
Surprised to see LAXGRU as number 6 ahead of even DFWGRU, a route served non-stop sometimes even 11x weekly.



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User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 18430 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 7):
Surprised to see LAXGRU as number 6 ahead of even DFWGRU, a route served non-stop sometimes even 11x weekly.

This number seems to be for origin and destination. DFWGRU supports tons of connections.


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32781 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 18432 times:

Quoting Rafabozzolla,reply=8Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 7):
Surprised to see LAXGRU as number 6 ahead of even DFWGRU, a route served non-stop sometimes even 11x weekly.

This number seems to be for origin and destination. DFWGRU supports tons of connections.
:

Correct. Also, I totally forgot about Orlando. MCOGRU would come in third after JFKGRU and MCOGIG would come in right after MIABSB.



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User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 18341 times:

Hello all:

Well, as you may already know, Brazil and Mexico were having an important controversy over the total annual amount of cars, produced in Mexico, and that are imported by the South American nation. Some sort of agreement has been recently achieved, by which Mexico will severely slash the number of autos exported to the Brazilian market. The auto industry, in the bilateral commercial agenda of these two countries, represents a big chunk of the whole pie.

Now, do you guys think, this temporary situation, as the two governments of the countries in question put it, will somehow affect commercial air traffic between Brazil and Mexico ? I hope not.

Link to the a Reuters press release, for your perusal and reference:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...brazil-autos-idUSBRE82E1A820120315

Best regards



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User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 18332 times:

Hello again:

Further to my previous post. By affecting commercial air traffic betwen Brazil and Mexico, I mean having an impact on frequencies and the number of seats offered by both, Aeroméxico and TAM, between GRU-MEX v v, only. Not talking about any other implications.

Best regards



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User currently offlineNeo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 672 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 18338 times:

Quoting XA744 (Reply 10):
Hello all:

Well, as you may already know, Brazil and Mexico were having an important controversy over the total annual amount of cars, produced in Mexico, and that are imported by the South American nation. Some sort of agreement has been recently achieved, by which Mexico will severely slash the number of autos exported to the Brazilian market. The auto industry, in the bilateral commercial agenda of these two countries, represents a big chunk of the whole pie.

Now, do you guys think, this temporary situation, as the two governments of the countries in question put it, will somehow affect commercial air traffic between Brazil and Mexico ? I hope not.

Link to the a Reuters press release, for your perusal and reference:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...brazil-autos-idUSBRE82E1A820120315

Best regards

First of fall.. the auto exports won't be severely slashed... only capped to maximum value per year in order to maintain the auto trade between the 2 countries balanced and not deficitary on the Brazilian side as it is today.

I believe the effect on commercial air travel should be small and not impact the frequencies on the current flights as the commercial agenda is rather diverse and not so heavily dependent on auto commerce.

Rgs,
Neo


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 18247 times:
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Brazilian Airports - Jan/Feb 2012 - Jan/Feb 2011 - Change %


1º.GRU--- 5.482.221 --- 4.905.670 --- +11,75%
2º. GIG --- 2.986.020 --- 2.371.730 --- +25,90%
3º. BSB --- 2.488.102 --- 2.490.643 --- (0,10%)
4º. CGH --- 2.486.694 --- 2.454.645 --- +1,31%
5º. CNF --- 1.699.573 --- 1.389.244 --- +22,34%
6º. SSA --- 1.483.115 --- 1.550.834 --- (4,37%)
7º. VCP --- 1.432.790 --- 1.116.670 --- +28,31%
8º. POA --- 1.373.541 --- 1.178.060 --- +16,59%
9º. SDU --- 1.328.260 --- 1.258.477 --- +5,55%
10º REC --- 1.164.231 --- 1.127.995 --- +3,21%



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 18216 times:

just back from a CCS-GRU-CCS trip with JJ and I have to say I am surprised about the low level of service FA's served, specially surprise is that most FA's are not speaking at all English... is it common or was it only bad luck?

Cheers
Avianca



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User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days ago) and read 17990 times:

Do you think that SSA's poor performance has to do with the security workers' strike?

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days ago) and read 17962 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 14):
just back from a CCS-GRU-CCS trip with JJ and I have to say I am surprised about the low level of service FA's served, specially surprise is that most FA's are not speaking at all English... is it common or was it only bad luck?

Common on South American routes. They put their FA's that speaks English on long haul mostly.
The problem with Brazilian Aviation right now is that, too low expectation as TAM decided to become more of a Gol than a legacy airline. Poor domestic and regional service.

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 15):
Do you think that SSA's poor performance has to do with the security workers' strike?

Yes , security forces strike could generate a small drop but i still believe there was a mistake during January. I hope they review the numbers as for me it is hard to believe SSA lose summer attactivity.



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User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4014 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 17869 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
MIABSB market has exploded. At this rate it could overtake JFKGIG and MIAGIG; it's not far behind.

Your data is flawed.

Brasilienses and in particular Goianienses (many drive to BSB to fly longhaul) rely on travel agents to purchase tickets for longhaul travel on a greater extent than in other regions of Brazil. Because of this they appear over-represented in the data.



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User currently offlinerg787 From Brazil, joined Nov 2010, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 17810 times:

Quoting incitatus (Reply 17):
Brasilienses and in particular Goianienses (many drive to BSB to fly longhaul) rely on travel agents to purchase tickets for longhaul travel on a greater extent than in other regions of Brazil. Because of this they appear over-represented in the data.

I don't think so. I imagine the use of travel agents in Brasilia or Goiania is a lot smaller than it is in the North/Northeast. We have 2 757s and 1 767 flying here and well... I've been on one of those flights, and it was 100% full. Friends of mine have done so also, and said the same thing, even when flying to ATL. Brasilia has a great potential for international flying because it is a hub, and options are good. Lots of flights to every capital of Brazil everyday, flights to Europe, US and some South America destinations make it a very good connecting point and that's exactly what I have been seeing here. O&D is good, but no enough. Connections to Goiania in particular, are very common.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 17686 times:
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In regards to the O&D BSB-MIA, i believe is more the fact that Rio O&D is not so focused on a beach place as it could be with BSB. Being also a beach city, Rio O&D probably is better shared among NYC, MCO and MIA.

Some interesting info on US Visa Issuance (Feb/2012) in Brazil. Seems they did a great job in Rio (we can't say that it is only the local market for each city)


Daily Applications (average)

BSB - 766
SAO - 2,236
RIO - 1,548
REC - 478
Total - 5,004


% Change from February 2011

BSB - +13%
SAO - +44%
RIO - +71%
REC - +13%
Average - +41%





Visas Processed per Month

BSB - 14,56
SAO - 42,496
RIO - 29,413
REC - 8,607

Total - 95,078





% Change from February 2011

BSB +13%
SAO +44%
RIO +71%
REC +7%
Average +41%




Visas Processed Year-to-Date


BSB - 25,567
SAO - 80,601
RIO - 59,462
REC - 15,738
Total - 181,318

% Change from 2011


BSB +27%
SAO +44%
RIO +95%
REC +5%
Average +49%



Current wait
time for appointment*


BSB - 2 days
SAO - 24 days
RIO - 2 days
REC - 23 days

source: http://brazil.usembassy.gov/releases...uary-2012-consular-statistics.html



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User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4014 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 17707 times:

Quoting rg787 (Reply 18):
O&D is good, but no enough.

The list posted is about O&D and consists of travel agent bookings. You might want to look closer into what it means and what kinds of bias are present in the data.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 16):
Yes , security forces strike could generate a small drop but i still believe there was a mistake during January. I hope they review the numbers as for me it is hard to believe SSA lose summer attactivity.

Pretty much everyone I know in Brazil who can afford has traveled abroad in the last year, some multiple times. Hotel stays in Brazil are a rip off, so it seems plausible traffic in SSA is down.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 19):
In regards to the O&D BSB-MIA, i believe is more the fact that Rio O&D is not so focused on a beach place as it could be with BSB.

There are other reasons why BSB-MIA is overstated and GIG-MIA is understated. GIG gets more bookings from the US where travel agents are weaker. Like rg787 mentioned BSB is a good connecting point and a lot of it is done over separate tickets. Some connecting traffic in BSB is showing as starting in BSB.

GIG-MIA is a very important market, Rio and Miami share much more intense ties than Brasilia and Miami.



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32781 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 17745 times:

Quoting incitatus (Reply 17):

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
MIABSB market has exploded. At this rate it could overtake JFKGIG and MIAGIG; it's not far behind.

Your data is flawed.

Brasilienses and in particular Goianienses (many drive to BSB to fly longhaul) rely on travel agents to purchase tickets for longhaul travel on a greater extent than in other regions of Brazil. Because of this they appear over-represented in the data.


My data is not flawed. It's accurate. I'm sorry it doesn't represent what you would like it to say, but facts are facts. No doubt it includes leakage, but leakage doesn't over-represent the market. MIABSB is a huge local market, end of story.



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User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4014 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 17683 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
My data is not flawed. It's accurate.

Yes, it is an accurate reflection of agency bookings. One just can't trace a direct relationship between it and the size of a market without any caveats. In this case there are many.



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User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 17644 times:

Quoting incitatus (Reply 20):
Pretty much everyone I know in Brazil who can afford has traveled abroad in the last year, some multiple times. Hotel stays in Brazil are a rip off, so it seems plausible traffic in SSA is down.

I'm a good example myself. I refuse to vacation in Brazil if I have to spend more on a hotel night in Rio (violence, crappy transport, etc, etc, etc) than in Miami or, even LAX.

BTW, just because Rio is a beach city that does not mean Rio pax do not seek other beach destinations. It's a way of life. Cariocas look for the beach no matter where they are. It's essential for them.


User currently offlineLPSHobby From Brazil, joined May 2007, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 17509 times:
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Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 2):
I think that, at least as far as Europe is concerned, IB offers a lot more flexibility and a substantially more comprehensive network. You may have a point as far as long haul is concerned, but I don't think that's where the money is (at least not from CNF).

I agree with you about AF and LH. However, I don't see BA venturing into CNF at all. South America is little more than an afterthought for them. The only possibility I see for a CNF-LHR is with JJ. Still, even if they join Oneworld, MAD is much more likely to happen. The costs are much lower and the shorter stage lengths make it possible for an under 24 hour rotation using just one plane.

I still think an AF CNF-CDG would be the most logical and maybe the better for the passengers. Why? Because Paris is the number 1 city in Europe for brazilian tourits and I think it would have a good business demand too.
And I always think foreign airlines could perform international flights POA-CNF-abroad flights, in this case POA-CNF-CDG flight, with the Porto Alegre and Belo Horizonte demands in a single flight I can´t see why a flight like this could fail. And I think this could work for more than one route at the same time.


25 rg787 : Well, most people from Brasilia are not really staying in MIA, they often go to Orlando or even NYC, so that's not really a valid argument. And why d
26 incitatus : It would fail. CDG-CNF-POA can't be flown all the way with a single crew. That in itself will make the operation very expensive. Couple this with the
27 Post contains links santos : If anyone is interested in passenger numbers for Portugal/Brazil Market, here is the report for January and February. Market still strong as ever. (In
28 CNForever : Due to bad weather, BSB airport was closed this morning. Two international flights were diverted to CNF. ATL-BSB e MIA-BSB. both operated by a 757. Th
29 C010T3 : No, it doesn't. It proves that, in case of BSB airport closure, the aircraft can divert to another airport safely.
30 CNForever : And why in case of CNF closure the aircraft can not divert to BSB ?
31 Rafabozzolla : Only if the diversion happens before reaching BSB. The plane would be in trouble if it had to fly past CNF to divert to a new airport.
32 incitatus : Exactly - Before departure a flight plan for ATL-BSB was made including a provision to reach BSB and then divert to CNF: 4170 + 380 mi = 4550 mi. If
33 LPSHobby : I am thinkhing about the passengers of the respective states of CNF (Minas Gerais) and POA ( Rio Grande do Sul). I think they can generate enough tra
34 incitatus : That is still an inferior service compared to a nonstop flight - it does not sell as well as a nonstop. It is not about important, it is not even abo
35 RAGAZZO777 : According to other aviation forums, LP is going to announce a new route to Brazil in April or early May. Will this be Rio ?
36 AF086 : I doubt it. This LIM-GIG service is being rumoured for years and so far nothing. TA is doing well on the route but LAN doesn't seem to be interested.
37 leonardoq : what about no more G3 direct flights from POA-SCL? Now there is a stopover in EZE or AEP i am not sure which one, but there is definetly a stopover in
38 LipeGIG : As the A380 left to SCL, Infraero says now that both GIG and GRU are A380 ready (still in need of some specific vehicles to reach the upper level). So
39 RAGAZZO777 : Definitely and something tells me that the time has come for LP to launch flights to Rio. It's a route that makes sense given that both LIM and GIG a
40 SJOtoLIR : Lack of competition for TA LIM-GIG since July 2008 ! Regards
41 LipeGIG : Well, good for TA. They can schedule without problems the best equipment. If the demand is not so great on a given date, A319. If it is huge, A321. N
42 Post contains links C010T3 : Effective July 4th, G3 is cancelling its Wednesday GRU-CCS-PUJ service, so that it attains to the 11x weekly limitation for 5th freedom traffic in Ven
43 Post contains links C010T3 : G3's planned GRU-CCS-MIA service has been approved by the DOT: http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=DOT-OST-2012-0039-0003
44 LipeGIG : US Embassy and Consulates in Brazil said 115,000 Visa were granted in March. Considering all applications, around 5% were rejected. Sao Paulo - 55.477
45 PPVRA : Good thing TAM is putting those 77Ws on the MIA route. Amazing the pent up demand.
46 SCL767 : On July 6, LAN will increase frequency on the SCL-GRU route to 40x weekly for a month. On July 6, LAN will also increase frequency between SCL and GIG
47 AF086 : This flight is not new. LA operated it recently on a seasonal basis. Still waiting for LP to fly to GIG. JJ is a joke when it comes to non-GRU intern
48 SCL767 : It will now operate on a year-round basis; thus LAN will offer three daily flights between SCL and GIG. TA will actually decrease frequency on the LI
49 C010T3 : I don't know anything about that, but they will start SJO-BOG-BSB.
50 SCL767 : Is LIM-BSB bookable past May 25? Perhaps their new service via BOG will replace the LIM-BSB route?
51 C010T3 : It seems May 31st is the last flight. Yes, I guess.
52 SCL767 : Interesting how the route didn't work out for either T0 and LP. TA is also decreasing frequencies on other routes from LIM as well, including LIM-GRU
53 C010T3 : Perhaps AV-TA is realizing that they cannot fight properly against LAN on two fronts. They want to protect BOG at all cost, so they're reducing LIM i
54 SCL767 : AV-TA also has to deal with VivaColombia's entrance into the Colombian domestic market. However, IMHO it's not wise for AV-TA to start decreasing fli
55 AF086 : I'm not talking about GRU. And I'm sorry but 18x weekly GRU-LIM with LA plus TA and JJ is too much offer for the route. What keeps LP from starting G
56 SCL767 : I disagree, the route is obviously growing and will soon have 35 weekly flights. Look at the LIM-EZE route with 46 weekly flights. Is that too many f
57 SJOtoLIR : TA LIM-BSB 3x weekly would be discontinued in favor of the new TA/LR [SJO-MTY] 3x weekly with E90. First flight: June 02nd. On the other hand, CM PTY
58 LipeGIG : LH to fly FRA-GIG daily effective Oct/28 Still with A343 And also daylight FRA-GIG flight.
59 Post contains links SCL767 : TAM Brasil and Aeroméxico will implement a new bilateral code-share agreement on April 23 covering flights between GRU and MEX; along with certain do
60 SJOtoLIR : Condor Flugdienst will also initiate the FRA-GIG 3x weekly service on October 28th.
61 LipeGIG : Not sure if will be 2x or 3x weekly but it seems they will start a little earlier (Oct 13). May be later they will then introduce the 3rd weekly. Hop
62 SCL767 : In October, LAN Perú will change the timing of the GRU-LIM-SFO route in order to offer connections to/from Tokyo-Haneda via JAL. LAN Perú will also
63 SJOtoLIR : Correct. The first flight into DE FRA-GIG is announced for October 13 and it will be gradually increased up to thrice a week: November 2012. It will
64 LipeGIG : Seems we will have a few changes ahead. Growing rumors of a second LIM-GIG. Make sense to take full advantage of the Brazilian Summer (IATA winter).
65 SCL767 : IMHO, it's only a matter of time before LP launches a LIM-GIG service. So far, LA will operate three daily flights between SCL and GIG starting in Ju
66 ULMFlyer : Green lasers around GIG and GRU So, I was flying GIG-GRU this week at night. We took off from RWY 10 and followed RWY HDG more or less - I wasn't payi
67 SCL767 : G3 will operate the POA-SCL route as a seasonal service. G3 will operate POA-SCL daily from June 21 through August 15 and from December 16 through Fe
68 C010T3 : It's not only around GIG and GRU, it's all over Brazil. It's VIX, NAT, CGB,FLN. You name it, there is always a bastard with a green laser.
69 SJOtoLIR : The detailed operations from July 02nd will be: LA SCL-GIG 7x weekly with 320 + LA SCL-GIG 7x weekly with 319; both on a year-round basis plus LA SCL
70 SCL767 : In September LAN will operate SCL-GRU-GIG daily (B763) and SCL-GIG 2x daily (A320). LAN also code-shares with TAM on flights between EZE and GIG and
71 SJOtoLIR : Aerolineas Argentinas will start [Buenos Aires Ezeiza - Rio de Janeiro] service from July 01st with 73W equipment. Source: amadeus.net Did AR EZE-GIG
72 C010T3 : Of course! It hasn't been that long since AEP was open for Brazil traffic. Before that, all BUE-GIG flights originated in EZE.
73 SJOtoLIR : The airline by means of Austral will also boost the GRU-EZE service up to 7x weekly in July with E90. This is part of the integration plan of AR into
74 SCL767 : Starting on November 5, JJ8026/JJ8027 will operate with the A332 instead of the B77W. TAM-Linhas Aereas S.A., LAN Airlines S.A. and LAN Perú S.A. rec
75 SJOtoLIR : TACA is not experiencing progress into the [Lima-Sao Paulo] market this year. TA LIM-GRU goes from 11x to 10x weekly on May 06th. Regards.
76 SCL767 : This application was recently approved. LAN Airlines can place its code on TAM operated flights between SCL and GRU/GIG and between GRU/GIG and JFK,
77 AF086 : Perhaps TA could take advantage of JJ/LA's lethargy and introduce a second GIG flight.[Edited 2012-05-01 10:57:07]
78 SCL767 : Yet AV continues to operate BOG-GIG 3x weekly, but TA should add a second LIM-GIG service? TA can't even operate LIM-GRU 2x daily. I know LAN will on
79 AF086 : AV applied for more BOG-GIG frequencies at Aerocivil. They requested 4 to make the service daily they were granted 2. GRU-LIM is saturated with multi
80 SCL767 : If the route is so saturated then why would LAN add even more flights on the LIM-GRU route starting in July? It's a hub to hub route. So TA offers be
81 AF086 : From GIG? Of course it does. Why would you connect at GRU just to do the same again at LIM? The LIM hub would lose its attractiveness. So again: who
82 SCL767 : TA is not a threat to LAN at LIM. Also, LAN is not neglecting other places. This year, LP launched LIM-HAV, both LIM-CUN and LIM-PUJ went daily, LIM-
83 CamiloA380 : Yes it does absolutely, LP doesn't operate LIM-GIG, duh. Exactly!
84 SCL767 : LIM is a Pacific hub and GRU is an Atlantic hub. Make sense?
85 AF086 : Again: for pax from destinations served nonstop from LIM such as GIG and POA, I'm sorry but it's just plain stupid to fly XXX-GRU-LIM-YYY when you ca
86 Post contains links SCL767 : This may help you understand what I'm trying to explain: http://www.lan.com/files/about_us/lanchile/lan_and_tam.pdf Not really; many pax connect onto
87 Dellatorre : LIM will not be a hub focused on Brazilian passengers, including both TA & LA. LIM's deal is to offer connections primarily to Peru domestic &
88 SCL767 : That's not true! LP left for a specific reason and TA left for a specific reason. TACA will soon launch SJO-BOG-BSB! LP operates LIM-IGU 4x weekly an
89 AF086 : Have you noticed that I didn't mention 4M? I am aware that they requested a few times to fly EZE-GIG but the Kirchner government is protecting their
90 Dellatorre : Definition of the term "specific reason": not making money! LAN's service didn't last a year and TA's sole E90 was not able to hold the service after
91 SCL767 : LA's SCL-AKL-SYD flights record high LFs and is cargo intensive. Many pax use this service to connect to/from CX's HKG hub via AKL and the flight is
92 Dellatorre : If u want them to dump seats and lose money!!! 2 daily flights to GIG is more than enough.. CNF could work seasonally. BSB not even. Very good on the
93 AF086 : Probably that runway (2200m @ 3000ft) imposes heavy weight penalties for long legs such as CWB-MIA or CWB-PTY. Ok, bravo. But what does this have to
94 SCL767 : LAN wanted those pax to use TAM's services to MIA, and to boost TAM's LF on JJ operated flights to BOG, CCS, JFK, MEX, etc. via GRU. That's part of A
95 AF086 : Fine does LA have to connection banks seperated by two hours? Woudn't it be more interesting, for instance, to takeoff from SCL in the evening arrivi
96 SCL767 : Domestic connections to cities within both Chile and Brazil! SCL operates as a 24 hour airport. Pax from other major cities in Chile also visit GIG a
97 AF086 : You didn't understand my point. The thing is: two flights so close from one another add little to connecting possibilities since LA probably doesn't
98 SJOtoLIR : The last flight on TP LIS-VCP 3x weekly with 332 is scheduled on October 28th. . Why cannot TA LIM-GIG be increased to 2x daily disregarding if AV LIM
99 SCL767 : LA750/LA751 and LA772/LA773 cater to domestic connections at both SCL and GIG. They also cater to international connections via SCL. LA784/LA785 cate
100 SJOtoLIR : That wasn't the point. TA LIM-GIG 7x weekly plus AV BOG-GIG 3x weekly are serving Rio de Janeiro on AV/TA nowadays. AV BOG-GIG might be expanded in t
101 AF086 : Yes. The problem is that the VCP-LIS service is absorving the thrash yields of the SAO-Europe market because, in order to attract pax to VCP TP has t
102 SCL767 : Colombia doesn't have OS with Brazil, unlike Chile and Peru. A major plus with the combination is that TAM can add flights into BOG, i.e. GIG-BOG. An
103 C010T3 : Even Ecuador has open skies with Brazil now. When will Colombia wake up?[Edited 2012-05-01 20:45:02]
104 SCL767 : That's great news! Ecuador is not as restrictive as some would think; OS between Ecuador and Panama would be very welcomed by some! Seriously, Open S
105 AF086 : What does it have to do with the fact that TA can expant of GIG regardless of AV? I wasn't speaking of available frequencies but of the market itself
106 Dellatorre : The same goes for Argentina, Mexico and Venezuela.
107 C010T3 : Brazil has open skies with Mexico excluding MEX and GRU.
108 airbazar : It's a seasonal suspension during the low season which frees up a plane to operate GRU red-eyes in both directions. VCP will resume in the Spring. No
109 C010T3 : They said that they may resume operations in the spring if those issues are resolved. IMHO, they will not return.
110 airbazar : Maybe you're right. I think more will depend on the cost of fuel than those issues. If fuel goes down slightly it will offset the costs at VCP. If it
111 SJOtoLIR : I'd introduce a new point here: AV/TA tends to serve selected stations from several hubs and disregarding if some of them are already consolidated by
112 SCL767 : Or perhaps LAN Colombia will launch BOG-GRU in the future to complement JJ's current service. It's up to LAN to decide where TAM flies outside of Bra
113 LipeGIG : They need to build more the potential for connections out of GIG. But before that i believe we will see BOG-GIG going daily.
114 A388 : I just read that GOL will start flights between Brazil and MIA via Venezuela, have they gotten approval from Venezuela for fifth freedom rights to MIA
115 C010T3 : Flights have been approved by the ANAC and the DOT. The INAC is not transparent, so no word from there. There are rumours that Gol is facing internal
116 SJOtoLIR : AV/TA can offer connections to Rio de Janeiro due to the daily TA LIM-GIG. I'd rather expect a better connectivity between [AV/TA] and Avianca Brasil
117 SCL767 : What destinations are currently offered by AV-TA for GIG pax transiting via LIM? For example, if LP launched a LIM-GIG service in the future, LP coul
118 AF086 : Pax from GIG can connect at LIM with TA to: MIA, CCS, MDE, UIO, SDQ, HAV, SAL, SJO, CLO, GYE and BOG internationally and CUZ, TPP, PIU, AQP and TRU d
119 SJOtoLIR : I would add: MEX, LPB and VVI internationally and JUL, PEM and CIX considering the local market in Peru. Regards.
120 SCL767 : LP also serves LPB and VVI and unlike TA, LAN offers more flights to international destinations using wide-body a/c in most cases, and offers more fl
121 RAGAZZO777 : I totally agree with you. IMO, LAN should deploy a Boeing 767 to Rio from LIM from the very beginning to set them apart from the competition (TACA).
122 AF086 : Turkish will change their schedule at GRU as follows: EFF 29OCT12 TK 015 IST 09:15 - GRU 19:00 TK 016 GRU 05:15 - IST 21:35 Al times local. This gap i
123 Dellatorre : This is the worst schedule I have ever saw in GRU for a long time. Who's gonna wake up in the middle of the night to get to the airport at 3:15 at le
124 AF086 : Another news: JJ will discontinue their nonstop POA-AEP services as follows: EFF 02JUL12 JJ8020 POA 12h26 AEP 14h06 - 320 - DAILY JJ8021 AEP 15h05 POA
125 C010T3 : AFAIK, BQB no longer flies to Brazil, which is not surprising, since they never applied for regular service. All they flew was as charter even though
126 oksman : Not sure how the yields are, but I´ve been on this flight quite some times and usually there are just a few empty seats. It wasn´t that way when it
127 airbazar : Effective May 28th TP will increase CNF to daily, from the current 6x weekly. They claim that this is due to increased demand.
128 Rafabozzolla : Is it so hard to believe they're telling the truth? What other reason could there be to increase flight frequency? I don't get it.
129 SCL767 : That's great for TAM. Thus, LAN-TAM will operate 8 daily flights between EZE and GRU and 3 daily flights between EZE and GIG. LAN-TAM operations at E
130 airbazar : I was just reporting the news. It's good news that there is increased demand. However, there could be other reasons. The northern hemisphere Summer i
131 C010T3 : It's exactly the opposite! TAP decreases frequencies to Brazil in the Northern Winter.
132 Post contains images airbazar : Duh, you're right. Got my seasons mixed. Nevermind then
133 Nicode : And what about the rumor of AF CDG-BSB ?
134 Post contains links SCL767 : TAM Linhas Aéreas posted a profit of US$51.5 million for Q1. This is the last time that TAM will ever post financial results as a stand alone carrier
135 AwysBSB : Concerning the route BOG-BSB that LR is launching, AV must be losing a lot for have not started a code-share yet. If AV made that, it could attract ev
136 Post contains links SCL767 : TAM recently expanded its code-share agreement with fellow Star Alliance member Air China. Thus, TAM passengers can now connect to/from PEK via CDG. T
137 kiwiandrew : I noticed that... I know that 'officially' no alliance decision has been made yet for LATAM, but I think it would take a miracle for the decision to
138 Post contains images RAGAZZO777 : Same here. If anything, JJ should be signing this codeshare agreement with Cathay Pacific, not Air China.
139 Post contains images kiwiandrew : You mean for when CA drag CX out of OW ?
140 SCL767 : I am not surprised since both LAN and TAM are obligated to choose between one of the two alliances to which LAN and TAM belong to in a period of 24 m
141 kiwiandrew : Likewise, Star would change their minds about AV-TA in a second if LAN decided that LATAM should join Star.... but as much as I would like to see LAT
142 SCL767 : But how long can AV-TA afford to wait?
143 RCS763AV : Even though the code hasn't been placed, there is advertisement of new new route on the AV website and the option of BSB is on the destinations list,
144 SCL767 : Have you noticed that LAN Colombia's A-320s already have oneworld stickers on them, but LAN Colombia is not even a oneworld affiliate carrier...Also,
145 LJ : Why? It's not that there are many airlines flying to China from points which JJ serves (and BA is only an option ex GRU as GIG is just out of the min
146 RCS763AV : LAN Colombia uses LA coded flights, unlike LAN Perú, Argentina, and Ecuador, thus, the whole network is already Oneworld coded. The fact that CM and
147 SJOtoLIR : I think Star Alliance would block CM as well if LATAM would stay into the mentioned worldwide grouping.
148 SCL767 : Both LAN Perú S.A. and *LAN Argentina use the LA code. LAN Ecuador also uses the LA code on certain flights. *The 4M code is used on services to MIA
149 kiwiandrew : Why? They would have to block AV/TA because it is a condition of the takeover that LATAM and AV/TA cannot be in the same alliance. CM has little to n
150 SJOtoLIR : CM certainly doesn't overlap many routes with LATAM, but the fact is that CM is not in Star Alliance yet and I don't know clearly the reasons why. I
151 MAH4546 : It's looking more likely that AA will be landing at POA and CWB this year. Rumor is it will be a round-robin flight, MIA-POA-CWB-MIA.
152 SCL767 : AA will drop its code-share relationship with GOL effective August 13, 2012.[Edited 2012-05-14 01:44:35]
153 C010T3 : Isn't it more likely to be MIA-CWB-POA-MIA because of the CWB runway?
154 Post contains links SCL767 : Is GOL planning on operating their new route to MIA as GRU-MAO-MIA using MAO as a tech stop... Você, cliente Smiles, tem mais um lugar inesquecível
155 C010T3 : Those are Smiles award flights only. Every seat will be sold through award tickets. In terms of marketing for frequent flyers, that's great, but it o
156 SCL767 : Thanks for the clarification. I wonder if GOL will actually receive approval from Venezuela's INAC in order to launch the GRU-CCS-MIA route. I don't
157 C010T3 : The rumour is that the problem lies with security. The TSA hasn't given the green light, since there are security concerns at CCS.
158 Post contains links santos : An interesting news report today, mentions that SATA, another Portuguese airline will start flights from Lisbon and The Azores to Salvador Da Bahia as
159 SCL767 : Not surprising since all flights between the U.S. and Venezuela are closely monitored by security in both countries. If the TSA or another authority
160 2travel2know2 : A fully loaded B737-600 could make it CWB-PTY non-stop but CM has none on its fleet and doesn't seem to be interested in having any. B.T.W., there ar
161 Post contains links yeogeo : Could anyone here answer on the World's Longest... thread lightsaber's question as to what engine powers TAM's A-330, as on: 5153nm GIG-FRA TAM 330x4
162 SJOtoLIR : Just as a reference, G3 operated charter flights as GRU-MAO-CUN in February 2012 with the 738. . G3 had already applied with the US DoT, the traffic
163 C010T3 : We all know that.
164 SCL767 : I was referring to a dedicated service. G3 will operate special "Smiles" flights between GRU and MIA using MAO as a tech stop. IMO, it would be diffi
165 AF086 : LH will increase the frequencies on their GIG services. EFF 29OCT12 LH500 - FRA 1025 - 1945 GIG - 343 - DAILY LH501 - GIG 2130 - 1230 FRA - 343 - DAIL
166 Summa767 : You will both be pleased to know that as from the 28th of next month, AV will offer 2 additional frequencies on the route BOG-GIG, for a 5 weekly ser
167 C010T3 : Yes, they had requested HOTRANs for it back in February.
168 RCS763AV : So they use LA codes too, but they were accepted into OW a long time ago, did they have those codes of all of their flights too, back then? Also, LAN
169 incitatus : There is no question that BOG is becoming a competitor to PTY as a connection point. The BOG market is much bigger, and Colombia has the largest popu
170 Neo : I don't think BOG presents that much threat to PTY or CM. BOG is really small as a HUB and offers few connection options from markets like Brazil, Ar
171 C010T3 : That could be the case, but we have three obstacles in that path: - BOG's elevation - BOG's congestion - Colombia's aviation protectionism
172 Summa767 : Undoubtedly we will see significant growth from both PTY and BOG to Brasil. BOG is indeed congested, but that is something that will ease with better
173 SCL767 : That's great for AV-TA. LAN will continue to increase frequencies and capacity on routes between SCL and both GIG and GRU in July and LAN Perú will
174 SJOtoLIR : The statement related to the obstacles in large markets is not entirely true. Just analyzing the Sao Paulo scenario, CM PTY-GRU is 28x weekly out of
175 AwysBSB : People just find new destinations for CM operates in South America, but forget CM does not have a corresponding capacity to the US. CM, with the UA's
176 LipeGIG : BOG is a bigger airport than we can imagine. It is now the 3rd busiest in Latin America and if it continues like that, will be number 2 in 5 years.
177 Summa767 : Even without codeshares the connection is possible with simple IATA or interline ticketing. But since AV and TA are the same company we can be sure t
178 winGl3t : IATA announced yesterday that BOG is now considered a Level 3 airport due to constraints at peak times on international gates. Only BOG and MEX are Le
179 2travel2know2 : IMHO that's the negative side to CM-UA (then Continental) cooperation. CM would focus on certain U.S. O/D traffic and let all other fly UA PTY-IAH/EW
180 AF086 : The DoT approved new year-round additional flights from the US to Brazil: EFF15DEC AA901 - MIA 2025 - 0800 GIG - 763 - DAILY AA990 - GIG 2315 - 0515 M
181 LipeGIG : Rio+20 overview. 130+ government confirmed . Expected heavy government traffic. AF upgrades AF444/445 to a mix of B772/B77W with First class. No seats
182 A388 : Does anyone know the status of the G3 flights from Brazil to MIA via CCS??? When will flights start??? A388
183 SJOtoLIR : I understood the business class seats are full on BA LHR-GIG. On the other hand, JJ GIG-LHR is currently served as thrice a week and we can assume th
184 A388 : Have the GOL flights to MIA (via CCS?) been approved? They should start in June is that correct? A388
185 Post contains links santos : TP to keep LIS - VCP year round now, after airport authorities agree to meet TP demands http://www.presstur.com/site/news.asp?news=36975
186 SCL767 : On 14June, LAN Colombia will launch BOG-GRU 2x weekly utilizing the B-737-700: LA3505 BOG 05:30 GRU 13:25 (Th, Sa) LA3506 GRU 14:30 BOG 18:00 (Th, Sa)
187 C010T3 : What? They're are launching a route for next week? That does not make any sense.
188 SCL767 : Yes, LAN Colombia is coming to GRU next week. These flights will be loaded into GDS today. A bit surprised LAN didn't load BOG-JFK instead...
189 C010T3 : Are they doing that because the frequencies are expiring or something?
190 SCL767 : That's what I thought, or perhaps 4C was having "issues" obtaining new slots at BOG. I also thought that 4C only had 4 weekly frequencies between Col
191 C010T3 : I think it's great that they're starting the route, but it's not normal to launch a route one week in advance only.
192 SCL767 : Definitely not normal for LAN! LAN is only operating 6 flights this month on the BOG-GRU route. This will give LAN a few weeks to advertise the new r
193 SJOtoLIR : Both TAM [POA-AEP] 7x weekly with 320 and TAM [ASU-AEP-GIG] 7x weekly with 320 will be discontinued on July 02.
194 Neo : Why so? Will JJ reallocate this frequencies in other routes.. as mentioned here before.. like GRU-AEP?? Discontinuation of ASU-AEP-GIG is a surprise
195 SCL767 : Yes, TAM is changing its BUE operations in July. On 02JULY, TAM Airlines Paraguay will increase frequency on the ASU-EZE-GRU route to 2x daily (A320)
196 LipeGIG : Better to say TAM will fly SAO-BUE 7x daily and RIO-EZE 3x daily. The changes will allow TAM to concentrate AEP on hub bank departures out of GRU whi
197 SCL767 : It will also permit LAN to offer connections between GRU and domestic destinations with-in Argentina since 4M had to switch its AEP-GRU flights back
198 C010T3 : I was wondering why LAN Argentina doesn't apply for Fortaleza Agreement frequencies. Unless the Argentinian ANAC forbids them to apply for frequencies
199 SCL767 : LAN Colombia launches the BOG-GRU route today. With the launch of this new route, LAN will add 16 new weekly frequencies into São Paulo-Guarulhos fro
200 incitatus : MIA-MAO on AA kicks off today. AA will have a lot of competition. JJ is on the nonstop. CM is on most larger markets in North and Central America, lik
201 Post contains links SCL767 : On 03OCT, GOL will once again suspend all operations into SCL. This is the second time that GOL has tried to operate flights in SCL and the second tim
202 AF086 : Gol's South American strategy is a disaster. They have the wrong product, the wrong brand and the wrong international hub.
203 LipeGIG : Poor Gol... another set back even before valuable slots become available. They make Latam life so easy...
204 SCL767 : IMO, G3's issues with their SCL operations are that flying to GRU via EZE is inconvenient and G3 faces stiff competition on the SCL-EZE sector. G3 pl
205 C010T3 : TAM has a curious logic. For them, not opening new international routes is not starting a new destination. Since they are only connecting two existin
206 SCL767 : Using this logic, TAM could launch GIG-SCL departing GIG in the morning to feed flights from Europe. JJ could also launch GIG-LIM and GIG-MVD. LA use
207 AF086 : As I said: wrong brand and wrong product. G3 has the Varig name available. Why not use it properly? With real C class and decent Y service with PTVs
208 SCL767 : It looks like LAN will soon change its operations into GIG. LA750 will operate as SCL-GRU and LA751 will operate as GRU-SCL. LA also loaded more flig
209 RAGAZZO777 : Indeed. Gol should have launched a direct GRU-SCL flight in order to compete effectively against LAN and TAM. . Will LP ever launch LIM-GIG ? Regards
210 C010T3 : Finally!!! I hate that tag-on flight! Now, there's only UA left as foreign carrier flying a tag-on flight.
211 SCL767 : Either LAN and/or TAM will launch that route. We'll just have to wait and see. LAN and TAM are focused on GRU flights; which will create immediate sy
212 SCL767 : IMO, LA should launch an early morning SCL-GIG service. I'm going to miss the "Express flight" to Rio though...
213 AF086 : That flight hauled plenty of cargo to GIG. Guess LA will send it though LAN Cargo. Really doubt that. Hope you are right but I'm really skeptical whe
214 SCL767 : LAN Cargo recently transferred 2 B763Fs over to ABSA. The two new B777Fs will operate more flights between Europe and Brazil. I don't doubt that at a
215 SJOtoLIR : The last G3 POA-SCL 7x weekly is due to happen on August 16th. The same date when they planned to suspend that seasonal service. The withdrawal is no
216 Post contains links SCL767 : See reply 186. This new service will increase to 6x weekly on 10SEP and will complement TAM's daily service on the GRU-BOG route: JJ8016 GRU 12:40 BO
217 A388 : Hello all, What's the status on G3's flights to MIA. Is it still on schedule? Are there links to the latest developments of this flight going through
218 SCL767 : LAN operates two weekly non-stop flights between CCS and MIA. Has G3 been awarded the rights to operate non-stop flights between CCS and MIA? LAN onl
219 A388 : I forgot about that second flight, thanks. Well, the route has been published and it is supposed to route via CCS so I assume they have those rights.
220 SCL767 : The route has not been loaded in GDS. LAN is not allowed to increase frequency on flights between CCS and MIA. LAN usually gets an exemption to add a
221 A388 : Okay, so there something fishy there. Does anyone else have an update on these G3 flights from Brazil to MIA via CCS? A388
222 Post contains links SCL767 : As AviancaTaca have officially joined the Star Alliance; TAM will be required to leave this alliance as stipulated by the TDLC in Chile and the CADE i
223 Post contains images kiwiandrew : I hope you have better luck with them! I have to say that I feel they acted in very bad faith going ahead with their accession to Star in the first p
224 SCL767 : Remember that LATAM has 24 months to choose an alliance after the transaction closes. Obviously LATAM cannot join the Star Alliance now; however sinc
225 andrefranca : According to Aline, she's the CGA leader, a kind of ground ops leader, G3 is in doubt GRU-MAO-MIA or another GRU-CCS-MIA, in brazil the venezuelan "G
226 Post contains links SCL767 : That's great. I'm sure that many TAM Fidelidade members at MAO rather earn and redeem miles with carriers such as AA and LA rather than with CM. TAM
227 LIPZ : Alitalia increase GIG-FCO from 5 to 6x between mid Dec till end of Feb.
228 AF086 : That's good news. I wonder why doesn't AZ make this upgrade year round. Lack of aircraft? Another news: apparently S4 will introduce services between
229 Post contains links and images 744lover : Hi, This week, NACO (Netherlands Airport Consultants) released details about the new passenger terminal to be build in VCP: http://www.industryeurope.
230 2travel2know2 : Wow VCP, way to go! Which leads to believe VCP may get a rail-link to Sâo Paulo one day.
231 744lover : That is basically in the pipeline. Currently there are two rail system studies: one by the state government that conceives a regular - fast train and
232 santos : As it's only once a week, probably same crew will have to operate the return flight- hence the long layover
233 Rafabozzolla : So, São Paulo is likely to regain the "title" of the city with the most distant airport from the city center? With traffic as it is in São Paulo and
234 AF086 : I know but doesn't Sata need this plane to fly another flight back home these days the 313 is parked at SSA? What about parking fees? Those are very
235 2travel2know2 : From Google maps there are rails close to VCP that lead to somewhere in Sâo Paulo, as how feasible is to upgrade that rail so to use it as VCP link,
236 AF086 : Gol requested that it's GRU-CCS-MIA flight permission is terminated. The airline couldn't secure 5th freedom rights between CCS and MIA: GLO 7700 >
237 Rafabozzolla : I agree with you, but here in Brazil there has long been the talk of turning VCP into the "big" airport serving São Paulo. Not by airlines, of cours
238 luisde8cd : Do you have more details about this? Was it the US, Venezuela or Brazil denying the 5th freedom rights? Saludos, Luis
239 Post contains images incitatus : Well said - often the idea is propped up by Campinas authorities. With the latent demand for air travel in the Greater SP, it is perfectly possible t
240 airbazar : That's what happens with privatization. The airports now are all competing with eachother. Althought there's probably enought demand in SP for 2 inte
241 2travel2know2 : You mean grow beyond after all those still available bad-slots are allocated? To start, It'd probably help GRU a lot if no all-cargo flights operatio
242 rg787 : No need for this. LHR also has 2 runways and has a lot more movements than GRU. The problem is with ATC, the technology used at GRU is too old, if th
243 Dellatorre : Sorry but the comparison you made was very out of place! Although LHR and GRU have 2 runways, the distance between them makes all the difference. Hea
244 Avianca : any news what happened to the proposed GOL GRU-CCS-MIA flights? cheers Avianca
245 2travel2know2 : Venezuela didn't authorize it. Maybe G3 is looking to route GRU-MIA through another airport inside our outside Brazil?
246 Avianca : Venezuela is going cracy just starting the month they didnt outorized many of the Cargo connetions for US carriers into Venezuela...
247 SCL767 : LAN will begin to codeshare on certain long-haul routes operated by TAM, including the GIG-JFK, GIG-LHR, GRU-JFK, GRU-LHR, GRU-MAD, and GRU-MCO routes
248 LipeGIG : Some news: - US and Brazil signed a Statement of Intent to establish a Visa Waiver Program (VWP) Working Group - TAM confirmed will fly GRU-LIM with A
249 SCL767 : Excellent news! LATAM is increasing frequency and capacity on the LIM-GRU route: TAM: GRU-LIM A332 daily LAN: LIM-GRU B763 9x weekly and LIM-GRU dail
250 Post contains images SCL767 : LAN Cargo will transfer 2 B-767-316F/ERs over to ABSA Cargo. However, LATAM has decided to brand the two B-767-316F/ERs as TAM Cargo operated by ABSA
251 C010T3 : Yes, photos of the frame at MEX have been circulating. The livery is unfortunately really ugly.
252 Post contains links and images SCL767 : It's part of branding TAM Cargo and integrating LATAM's cargo business: http://www.absacargo.com.br/en/fusao.asp LATAM's fleet of cargo aircraft will
253 C010T3 : But it did not have to be ugly. LAN Cargo's livery is almost the same as LAN's. Why that couldn't be the case with TAM Cargo is beyond me. That light
254 jpyvr : Isn't it about time for someone to start Brazilian Aviation News 14? I believe the others all wrapped it up at about the 250-message mark. I'd do it,
255 SJOtoLIR : Gol will fly the GRU-VVI segment as non-stop from August. The current stopover in Campo Grande [G3 GRU-CGR-VVI] will be canceled. Regards
256 Post contains links LipeGIG : All right, thread number 14 is now open. Please continue discussions there. Brazilian Aviation News 14 (by LipeGIG Jul 14 2012 in Civil Aviation)
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