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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3176 posts, RR: 5
Posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7518 times:

There's a lot happening at LGA these days:

DL takes over most of Terminal C and connects it to D via bridge (currently under construction)

US moves operation to original US mainline gates on northern side of Terminal C and is supposed to build a new club there.

WestJet is also moving into Terminal C.

There is a rumor that B6 is moving into the old CO gates in Concourse A of the CTB. Rumor also has it that B6 will be doing quite a bit of rennovation in this area for their expanded schedule.

WN taking over most/all of Concourse B.

So questions I have:

Has US started building the club yet and where will it be?
Will DL renovate Terminal C extensively or just change airline names where needed?
Is B6 moving to A? How many gates?
Million dollar question: where is CO going? UA can't fit that operation in C.

When does all of this play out?

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User currently offlineaquablue From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7456 times:

They better build something decent at LGA. For the gateway airport to NYC, I hope they don't resort to cheap designs. Alas, they'll probably build something utilitarian and boring as usual.

User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7504 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7319 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Thread starter):
Will DL renovate Terminal C extensively or just change airline names where needed?

The SkyClub will be renovated from the old US club and will open sometime this summer. The connector bridge should be done by EOY 12, until then two busses will be post security to shuttle between C & D.



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User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7225 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Thread starter):
Is B6 moving to A? How many gates?
Million dollar question: where is CO going? UA can't fit that operation in C.

I'm not sure any airline is going to want to invest much in the CTB at this point since there are plans to build a new terminal in the next decade. Although I suppose American is currently (or perhaps already finished) renovating D and parts of C.

Agree with you though that some things need to be worked out ASAP: United's situation is what comes first to mind.

Quoting jfklganyc (Thread starter):
There is a rumor that B6 is moving into the old CO gates in Concourse A of the CTB.
Quoting jfklganyc (Thread starter):
WN taking over most/all of Concourse B.

My oh my, how things change. jetBlue and Southwest dominating a concouse each at LGA's CTB...Never thought I'd ever see that a decade ago!

Quoting jfklganyc (Thread starter):
Has US started building the club yet and where will it be?

The whole club plan at LGA seems idiotic to me, to put it mildly. Why put a DL club on the wing of the terminal that will house mostly US and WestJet? Most of DL's gates will be on the other, older side of the concourse. I also have no clue where US plans to put their club...


User currently offlinenycdave From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6698 times:

LGA is a mess. I propose we move the whole operation to my fantasy world, where the parkway is bulldozed back along 23rd ave and Ditmars Blvd, allowing for a new, modern check-in facility and segmented midfield concourse, and making room for a parallel to 13/31.

In my fantasy world, we're also able to close off Bowery bay in building another parallel (bringing us to 2 sets of 2 parallel runways) to 4/22, stretching out onto part of Riker's Island. Barring that, the funds are available to relocate the MAT out of the way and maybe turn it into an aviation museum, freeing up the land for the 4/22 parallel without it having to extend as far into the east river.

And of course, since this is my fantasy, AirTrain is of course extended all the way up the GCP to LGA. The N or a high speed link were also considered, but we don't want my fantasy LGA to get TOO slammed.  


User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7504 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6416 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 3):

The whole club plan at LGA seems idiotic to me, to put it mildly. Why put a DL club on the wing of the terminal that will house mostly US and WestJet? Most of DL's gates will be on the other, older side of the concourse. I also have no clue where US plans to put their club...

The DL club will be where the DL gates are.



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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3176 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6386 times:

I think LGA operations moving to JFK and LGA closing are more likely than your fantasy world. Making LGA a mini SFO won't work because the parallels are too close both in SFO and in the fantasy LGA you mentioned. Bad arrival rates in bad weather

User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6289 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 5):

The DL club will be where the DL gates are.

No. There will be SOME DL gates there, but mostly US gates. The majority of Delta gates will be on the other side of the terminal from the new club...


User currently offlinenycdave From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6197 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 6):
I think LGA operations moving to JFK and LGA closing are more likely than your fantasy world. Making LGA a mini SFO won't work because the parallels are too close both in SFO and in the fantasy LGA you mentioned. Bad arrival rates in bad weather

Sigh, okay. Forget the new runways.  


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8868 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6164 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 7):
No. There will be SOME DL gates there, but mostly US gates. The majority of Delta gates will be on the other side of the terminal from the new club...

There isn't a ton of space to build a large enough Sky Club over in the current US Shuttle pier without taking away gate seating space.

The current US club is a rather decent size that should in conjunction be able to take care of everything in the C building.

Truth is, it's no more than a 3-5 minute walk from the US club to the farthest US Shuttle gate. There are worse walks from club to gate in the system (having a flight out of H17 at Miami is a trek from the club, as are flights leaving from T6 at LAX).


User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7504 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6121 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 9):
The current US club is a rather decent size that should in conjunction be able to take care of everything in the C building.

March 25, the US Airways club will close and will become a Delta SkyClub, US Airways will be building their own new club, however, US Airways customers will be able to use the Delta SkyClub for either 1 or 2 years. Also the SkyClub will be open for two weeks then closed for a complete renovation to re-open in summer.



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User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6086 times:

Did I miss something? Who gets the Marine Air Terminal?

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16693 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5997 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 6):
I think LGA operations moving to JFK and LGA closing are more likely than your fantasy world

I think this should be the plan, but instead of closing LGA make it the region's main FBO airport by closing TEB and moving those operations to LGA. The Regional planning association is currently undertaking an expansion study for the regions airports, they think runway reconfiguration/expansion at JFK could net an additional 75 flight operations per hour.

Instead of investing more into LGA, and SWF (which is never going to be a legitimate alternative airport) focus all the resources into EWR and JFK. Bring the terminals up to standards, and build true public transportation connections (PATH @ EWR, JFK Airtrain - Lower Manhattan via Atlantic Ave Branch).



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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3176 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5984 times:

STT,

would NJ go for closing TEB?


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5977 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 11):

Did I miss something? Who gets the Marine Air Terminal?

US for US Shuttle.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16693 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5950 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 13):
would NJ go for closing TEB?

Absolutely, the Republicans in Bergen county have been trying to get it closed for years. Especially after that incident a couple years ago where the aircraft shot across route 4 and into a warehouse. TEB is surrounded by densely populated communities, they put up a stink every time the Port Authority tries to make any improvements.



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User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5948 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):

US for US Shuttle.

No. Delta is keeping the MAT.


User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7504 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5847 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
US for US Shuttle.

US will remain in C for all flights, Marine Air Terminal remains for Delta Shuttle.



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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3128 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5682 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 17):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):US for US Shuttle.
US will remain in C for all flights

US gets gates 1-6, Westjet at gate 7.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5678 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 16):
No. Delta is keeping the MAT.

When did this happen?



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User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7504 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5500 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
When did this happen?

A long time ago, don't have an exact date but we have been working on some MAT stuff for several months before the final announcement.



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User currently offlineart at isp From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 178 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5334 times:

The original plan had US taking the MAT for all their flights. After the original was rejected by DOT and they had to redo the slot allocation, DL kept the MAT and US got the western gates of Terminal C--I think they get 9 total spaces as some of the gates they retain are multi-aircraft capable.

User currently offlinedelta2ual From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5059 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 10):
US Airways customers will be able to use the Delta SkyClub for either 1 or 2 years.

Will DL customers also get use of the US club?



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User currently offlineaquablue From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4993 times:

They better build something decent at LGA. For the gateway airport to NYC, I hope they don't resort to cheap designs. Alas, they'll probably build something utilitarian and boring as usual.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 6):

It would cause too

Quoting STT757 (Reply 12):
Quoting STT757 (Reply 12):

I think this should be the plan, but instead of closing LGA make it the region's main FBO airport by closing TEB and moving those operations to LGA. The Regional planning association is currently undertaking an expansion study for the regions airports, they think runway reconfiguration/expansion at JFK could net an additional 75 flight operations per hour.

Instead of investing more into LGA, and SWF (which is never going to be a legitimate alternative airport) focus all the resources into EWR and JFK. Bring the terminals up to standards, and build true public transportation connections (PATH @ EWR, JFK Airtrain - Lower Manhattan via Atlantic Ave Branch).

Good idea, but then LGA is the favorite airport of NY and people won't like it closing for commercial flights.

However, I agree that LGA is constraining JFK from being utilized to its full potential and this should be considered at least.

The RPA though, in that report that you cited, seemed to suggest ways to realign the airspace while keeping LGA active, but often limited the airport to 1 runway unless NextGen were active.

Anyway, this is all moot unless someone found a way to expand JFK which most people here say is impossible due environmental laws.

[Edited 2012-03-09 10:28:56]

User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7504 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4689 times:

Quoting delta2ual (Reply 22):
Will DL customers also get use of the US club?

There will be no US Airways club for something like six months, but as far as I know, its just US fliers able to access the one Delta SkyClub.



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25 BOACCunard : I suspect it is just that US pax get to use the DL club while a new US club is being built, because during that time period the only club in the term
26 jfklganyc : Let's bet $$ that US never builds a club. I think theire days as a major carrier at LGA are limited.
27 burnsie28 : It has something to do with the contract that was signed for the slot swaps.
28 Post contains images PIEAvantiP180 : Totally agree. DL did them a favor by discontinuing BOS - DCA, so US should return the favor by discontinuing the shuttle to BOS because i'm sure tha
29 bobnwa : In your opinion, where has Delta built utiltarian and boring terminals in the past to qualify for "as usual?
30 BOACCunard : But then why build a US club?
31 DeltAirlines : Because at the end of the (long) day, it's likely going to be far cheaper for US to operate their own club rather than pay Delta for each swipe they
32 burnsie28 : All that and you risk losing your elites, for instance if a US elite feels that the Delta SkyClub offers them more and now with DL having more flight
33 BOACCunard : Yes, but then why keep paying DL for access to the SkyClub after US has built its own club?
34 Post contains images boswashsprstar : Don't forget one weekly (Saturday) to PHX!
35 boswashsprstar : I would not be shocked if US never built the club, but it would not be so odd for them to build it even with the limited presence they'll now have. N
36 HPRamper : US just opened a club at RDU. I'm pretty sure they are still much bigger at LGA than at RDU.
37 papatango : What gates in terminal C will Usair use starting Sun?
38 boswashsprstar : Delta just sent out an email to frequent flyers explaining the new system and saying they'll be at gates C15-C24. Presumably US uses the rest for now
39 boberito6589 : US and US Express will be at gates 1-12 US Shuttle will be using gates 7,8,9, and 10 Shuttle passenger check-in will move to the current internationa
40 Cubsrule : US has clubs in cities like GSO and BUF. I'm not sure GSO even has mainline service. LGA will have a club.
41 DeltAirlines : They won't. As of tomorrow, the US Airways Club becomes a Delta Sky Club and US has to give cash to Delta for each swipe. There is an interim period
42 PIEAvantiP180 : If US and AA tie the knot does AA have enough gates to combine both operations in the main terminal and let DL consolidate in C and D. The MAT can be
43 jfklganyc : Giant Delta sign has been added to Terminal C. US Shuttle Sign is down. Signs have been changed all over the airport and along the Grand Central Pkwy.
44 DeltAirlines : If AA and US merge, then you might see a reshuffling go on where US moves to CTB-C and UA moves to the current US gates. True to an extent, but many
45 WNCrew : Most of Concourse B in Terminal B right? LGA is a bid confusing to me as the Terminal/Concourse labeling system utilizes ONLY letters. There are Term
46 nycdave : There's a lot of ways you could shuffle stuff around, if you had an AA/US merger. They'd definitely need 2 full piers in the CTB. US moving out of C
47 FlyASAGuy2005 : Would be nice but sort of a non-starter an why you see it wasn't a huge deal when the plans changed and DL remained in the MAT. There are no legal co
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