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Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight  
User currently offlineflyiguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1105 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 19873 times:

I didn't see this posted up yet. Forgive me if it has been already.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...arrested-painting-fingernails.html


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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2788 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 19870 times:
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Although it's silly she got arrested for it that is what happens when you become disorderly while in the air. Perfect example of how they don't tolerate that at all these days. Though I do wonder if we are getting the full story.
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User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3014 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 19732 times:

Again, with often with these stories, it is not the original issue that results in arrest. It is the subsequent abuse of and failure to obey flight crew.


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User currently offlinekalvado From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 19712 times:

Acetone is probably one of those materials involved in the case which led to a total liquid ban. I can easily see why FA could take it very seriously.

User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 703 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 19711 times:

Seems exacerbated by cops trying to press any sort of charge. They should've interviewed her and let her go.

User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 19667 times:

Quoting flyiguy (Thread starter):
Woman Arrested After Painting Nails On Flight 

She wasn't arrested for painting her nails, she was arrested for disobeying flight crew.

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 4):
Seems exacerbated by cops trying to press any sort of charge. They should've interviewed her and let her go.

The article says they let her go without pressing charges.

Quoting kalvado (Reply 3):
Acetone is probably one of those materials involved in the case which led to a total liquid ban.

   When she is using it (it is flammable by the way) it smells bad so the FA asks her to stop, fine. But then she gets her acetone again and sneaks it into the lav to fiddle with it, that's suspicious and definitely warrants a chat with authorities.



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User currently offlinem11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 19588 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 5):
She wasn't arrested for painting her nails, she was arrested for disobeying flight crew.

Passengers are not required to comply with anything a F/A says. Even Southwest's safety demonstration says, "Federal regulations require passenger compliance with lighted information signs, posted placards and crew members instructions regarding seat belts and smoking.She wasn't smoking and the F/A didn't make any comments regarding seat belt use. Additionally, there are no FAA regulations regarding the use of nail polish on board an aircraft therefore the F/A had no authority to demand that the passenger stop painting her nails.



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User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1179 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 19565 times:

Nail polish, and remover are considered a hazardous material, while its allowed to be brought on board, its not allowed to be used. Not to mention very selfish and tacky.

User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3813 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 19523 times:

This article gives a bit more information.

Quote:
Daniels went into the bathroom to finish and a second angry flight attendant was waiting for her.

“She said, ‘Weren’t you just told not to paint your nails?’ and I said, ‘Actually, I wasn’t. I was just told it was offending people around me so I did the right thing and went to an enclosed area,’” Daniels explained.

The passenger wasn't arrested for painting her nails and she wasn't arrested for disobeying the flight attendant. She was arrested for using profane abusive language.

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 19527 times:

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 6):
Additionally, there are no FAA regulations regarding the use of nail polish on board an aircraft therefore the F/A had no authority to demand that the passenger stop painting her nails.

Uh, yes there is. The F.A.A. prohibits the use of flammable materials being used on aircraft inflight. This is why airlines do not allow transport of flammable materials (such as fireworks and explosives) on any aircraft. Even the U.S. Postal Service has the same rules in regards to fireworks.

http://www.airsafe.com/danger.htm



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User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 19307 times:

Ah what to believe?

One linked article says

Quote:
The charges were dropped by the DA

while the other reports

Quote:
The charge was later dismissed by a judge

I particularly like the bit where it says

Quote:
‘They wouldn’t let her talk’, he added. ‘They said to her “don’t talk”.’

Sounds like she is a regular motor-mouth and loud.


User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 19223 times:

Was she administering a mani or a pedi?    If she has kankles, throw the booki at her; if she's a looker give have her e-mail me. Sorry for the humor. Nail polish has hazmat properties and on board an airliner could pose safety issues.


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User currently offlineCuriousFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 693 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 19210 times:

Southwest AGAIN?

Do they have the nastiest passengers or the nastiest employees? Or do those just go along each other?


User currently onlinewingnutmn From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 19147 times:

We had this happen once on a flight from DSM to DTW. We called the FA to see if someone was painting nails because the smell was getting strong in the cockpit. FA went and found the lady and asked her to stop. She said no, not until she was finished. Captain told her to stop and she threatened discrimination. Captain threatened a diversion and arrest for her. She happily put the polish away. You just need to express it in a way they understand.

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User currently offlineflyiguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 19132 times:

Quoting CuriousFlyer (Reply 12):
Southwest AGAIN?

Do they have the nastiest passengers or the nastiest employees? Or do those just go along each other?

Well when you fly more passengers domestically than any other carrier it's bound to happen sooner or later...



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User currently offlinePI767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18909 times:

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 6):

Passengers are not required to comply with anything a F/A says. Even Southwest's safety demonstration says, "Federal regulations require passenger compliance with lighted information signs, posted placards and crew members instructions regarding seat belts and smoking.She wasn't smoking and the F/A didn't make any comments regarding seat belt use. Additionally, there are no FAA regulations regarding the use of nail polish on board an aircraft therefore the F/A had no authority to demand that the passenger stop painting her nails.

I don't recall any airline's safety announcements saying that you cannot strip nude, urinate in the aisle, or write profanity on the cabin walls using a permanent marker, either.... however if a flight crew member tells you to stop any of those actions, they are perfectly in their right to do to.

What do you want, the pre-flight safety demo to include all of the things you cannot/should not do onboard?

The smell of nail polish can cause some people to get sick and the fumes from nail polish are highly flammable. If a crew member tells you to stop using it - you stop using it.


User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1458 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18828 times:

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 6):
Additionally, there are no FAA regulations regarding the use of nail polish on board an aircraft therefore the F/A had no authority to demand that the passenger stop painting her nails.

You used to be very FA friendly and FA supportive and as of late you seem happy to throw FA's under the bus. Something happen to put them on your bad-side?

Just because the WN Public Announcement doesn't state XYZ explicitly is prohibited etc, doesn't mean it isn't. You know that....



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User currently onlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7408 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18751 times:
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Quoting WNCrew (Reply 16):
Quoting m11stephen (Reply 6):
Additionally, there are no FAA regulations regarding the use of nail polish on board an aircraft therefore the F/A had no authority to demand that the passenger stop painting her nails.

You used to be very FA friendly and FA supportive and as of late you seem happy to throw FA's under the bus. Something happen to put them on your bad-side?

Just because the WN Public Announcement doesn't state XYZ explicitly is prohibited etc, doesn't mean it isn't. You know that....

I'm just wondering if he's wanting or is in law school and plans on suing very airline out there in the interests of consumer "advocacy" or something. But he seems to have it in for airlines and especially FAs.



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User currently offlineAY104 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 505 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18725 times:

It's just plain bad manners. Do these "personal chores" at home, or in your hotel room. I don't want to see anyone applying anything onboard an airplane, including face and hand creams, nail polish. I certainly don't want to see anyone cutting or filing their fingernails either. Flight attendants used to do this all the time, sitting in the crew seats. Very inappropriate.
This "laid back" attitude, which I hate to say started in North America, has just got out of hand. Including dressing like absolute slobs. To me, it really is a total lack of self respect which, in turn, means lack of respect for anyone else.
It is just as bad in Canada as in the US. Vancouver is one of the worst places I have seen. People dress, and act, like total slobs. Nails trimmed in public, including on buses, makeup and nail polish applied in public, and the list goes on.
I digress. Anybody "grooming" themselves in public SHOULD be arrested!
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User currently offlinePI767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18681 times:

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 16):
You used to be very FA friendly and FA supportive and as of late you seem happy to throw FA's under the bus. Something happen to put them on your bad-side?

  

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 16):
Just because the WN Public Announcement doesn't state XYZ explicitly is prohibited etc, doesn't mean it isn't. You know that....

Exactly what I said! I don't recall a public announcement that says you cannot spit on other passengers or have sex in your row of seats.... but some things are just common sense even if they are not included in an announcement.


User currently offlineSanti319 From Mexico, joined Dec 2005, 395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 18668 times:

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 6):
Even Southwest's safety demonstration says, "Federal regulations require passenger compliance with lighted information signs, posted placards and crew members instructions regarding seat belts and smoking.

I don't know SWA but for sure DL, B6 and NK say "...posted placards and crew members instructions." so they need to change that if it's true.

And yes you have to comply with FA instructions theres a reason for it, just like when driving you need to follow the law, don't like it? Don't fly...


User currently offlinePI767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 18501 times:

Quoting Santi319 (Reply 21):

And yes you have to comply with FA instructions theres a reason for it, just like when driving you need to follow the law, don't like it? Don't fly...

Exactly.... if the FAs instructions are "I want you to jump up and down on one leg with your finger on your nose and say the Pledge of Allegiance while I throw peanuts at you," of course that is ridiculous and no one would expect anyone to follow those orders.

When a FA tells you: "You can't use nail polish because it is not only highly flammable but it also can make others sick," That is a totally different situation.

Whether it is an FAR or not, there is still a reasonable explanation behind the request. 1. It's flammable. 2. Others can get sick from the smell.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9340 posts, RR: 29
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 18419 times:

OK, she's blonde which explains it already. Guess the FAs are blonde as well.
Of course, nail polish or remover are flammable liquids, the flash point is somewhere above 36°C but it does not self ignite, not even when the blonde is hot. The smell annoys passengers sitting nearby but there is no other potential risk, that risk exists only when shipped in commercial quantities. One can argue that her decision to continue the work of beautification in the secluded area of the toilet was a wise one. One can argue for the same reason about the FAs decision to raise an issue as well.

IMHO this whole case is a non-issue and needless work for police authorities and judicial system. What's the point of locking someone away in a cell for 10 hours?



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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3972 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 18196 times:
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There's something I don't get. The charge of "abusive, profane language" must be related to her careful selection of (four-letter) words while on the ground, because local police doesn't have jurisdiction in the air. If she was so abusive towards the crew, why isn't she pursued under part 91's ban on interference with crew? Could the nastiness not have been one-sided as she claims?

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 23):
What's the point of locking someone away in a cell for 10 hours?

And what do you propose they do? Let them go while they decide whether the charges are justified and they present a flight risk?



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9340 posts, RR: 29
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 18119 times:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 24):
And what do you propose they do? Let them go while they decide whether the charges are justified and they present a flight risk?

well, she did not present a flight risk and I explained that. I know things are done differently in your neck of the woods, but I gladly tell you what happens here, police takes her name and adress, writes a shirt report which is sent to the state attorney and the lady is free to go. The state attorney usually does not open a case, if she was abusive to police the SA might offer to close the case against a penalty. in rare cases this goes to a judge.



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25 AustrianZRH : Your own link specifically excludes "personal care items, toiletries, or medically related items" from the prohibition of flammables on an airplane.
26 shufflemoomin : Those are all actual crimes on the ground or in the air. Painting your nails in a confined public place is just inconsiderate, not a crime. As alread
27 cokepopper : Risk to others....the fumes can easily cause an asthma attack.
28 cschleic : I've noticed this is what Southwest says, but it's not true everywhere. I've seen a Horizon Air F/A aggressively point out to more than one passenger
29 ozark1 : Nail polish is forbidden on AA. Period. End of story.
30 PanHAM : All I have to do as a fare paying passenger is to sit in my seat, fasten my seatbelts, watch the emergency drill and that's it. Unless there's an eme
31 shufflemoomin : Writing something in your magazine doesn't make it law. The police aren't going to care if you violate the conditions of contract with the carrier. T
32 Post contains links MountainFlyer : No, but I'm sure they are just referencing the actual Federal Air Regulations code, which is law, and is a criminal matter. 14 CFR Part 125.327 outli
33 luvfa : As far as I can see she did 2 things wrong! 1. Failure to comply with crew members instructions when she refused to put away the nail polish, and 2. E
34 tonyban : This makes me mad. Why is it that 'home bred' Americans think they are exempt from air safety rules that all others obey. I've seen women have scissor
35 MountainFlyer : Kind of like the Alec Baldwin cell phone incident.
36 B727LVR : I would argue the fact of nail polish being a personal care item... Its a cosmetic item, and I am sure she would not go into some sort of medical eme
37 PanHAM : wrong, in that case they would stow these items in their checked luggage and that is much more dangerous. Although nail polish and remover is not sel
38 lewis : The cabin is a dry environment. Most people apply lotions on their skin, what's wrong with that? Wow...
39 intermodal64 : For my own safety and peace of mind, I appreciate that airlines maintain very clear expectations that the people around me on an aircraft MUST do as t
40 aztrainer : I believe acetone is banned on all airlines as it is part of the liquid in the dastardly snow globes of Disney. I agree with most that common decorum
41 B727LVR : But yet we allow items such as deodorants, hair spray, shaving cream, after shave, and so on to travel in checked luggage. These Items in their own r
42 WNCrew : PRECISELY! Whenever someone is challenged onboard people breeze right past MANNERS, DECORUM, POLITENESS and go straight for FAR's... if it's not bann
43 Post contains images rampart : In addition, common hand sanitizers are mostly alcohol, and flamable, with a very hot flame. I've not tested a small bottle of Purell to see how long
44 gizmonc : I have observed the same type of incident and nail polish is very strong in the cabin of an aircraft. As well as passengers who marinate in perfume o
45 Post contains images B727LVR : Very well said!
46 Post contains links 4holer : A personal tale regarding acetone and it's potential danger. I'm a chemist and I used to work at a company that made many specialty industrial chemica
47 Post contains images MountainFlyer : Agree 100% If only society had your same mentality. The reason I quoted the FARs is because just like you said, society is checked out, lacking commo
48 SSTeve : The article says they let her go without pressing charges. No, the cops took her in and held her for 10 hours until the DA injected a little sanity i
49 dashman : I kinda thought the blonde was being courteous by going in the lav to finish. The reality is there was one FA that for what ever reason got her nose o
50 AirframeAS : Actually, it doesn't have to list every damn thing on the link nor the FAR's. Like you said, common sense..... Reply 32 has a good explanation than I
51 tp1040 : I can't be in the same room when my wife is doing her nails. Can't imagine being on a plane with somebody doing that.
52 737tdi : There is no way this is courteous. Say I'm feeling a bit queasy and need to use that lav. Oh I can't there is a person inside grooming themselves. Wh
53 aztrainer : Just a hunch on this, but could it possibly of been the fact that she showed the police the same attitude that she showed the FA and they did not lik
54 DTWPurserBoy : I once had a woman shaving dead skin off her heels onto the floor of the first class cabin. I approached her and suggested that was probably a persona
55 WNCrew : ....not to mention language like that falls VERY MUCH under "intimidation". It's simple people, it really is. Don't make what's easy so difficult.
56 tonystan : Sounds like she was just being a loudmouth silly mare to be honest. However on the subject of Nail Polish.....been donkeys since I was ever around the
57 Quokkas : The woman was not simply arrested for being a "jerk". In one of the linked articles it states To the police officer it appeared that she was being off
58 StuckInCA : You can't get away with that stuff at the local grocery store either. Exactly. Painting nails on board is no worse than eating fish, wearing too much
59 tonystan : Im just going to reiterate what I wrote a few posts up....." However on the subject of Nail Polish.....been donkeys since I was ever around the stuff
60 usflyguy : She was asked to stop. She didn't.
61 context : I sure hope "applying hand creams" doesn't mean simple hand lotion? Especially while aboard an aircraft I do everything I can to stay hydrated. I wou
62 StuckInCA : This is what I'm talking about. Others have reasonable responses that provide opportunity for me to consider that I'm plain wrong. Then you come alon
63 AY104 : Do it in the washroom. Nothing wrong with using it. I just don't want to be sitting beside you when you are applying it. Especially in economy, where
64 777STL : Sure, but that's not what she was arrested for - she was arrested for using profane language. That's a joke in and of itself. This reeks of a steward
65 cessna2 : This is why people should listen to the safety announcements because at the end they always say, "FAA regulations require your compliance with all cre
66 777STL : SHE WASN'T ARRESTED FOR DISOBEYING THE FLIGHT ATTENDENT. SHE WAS ARRESTED FOR CUSSING AT HER. Sorry for the caps, but a lot of you guys are missing t
67 Post contains images zippyjet : Sometimes if they are giving themselves a pedi their toe cheese funky foot odor can supercede the smell of nail polish.
68 cessna2 : My point is she wouldn't have been arrested if she'd just listened to the flight attendant in the first place. Yes the charge was for using abusive l
69 DTWPurserBoy : This goes on and on. The jerks who won't turn off their cell phones, who have a temper tantrum because they ran out of chicken the row in front of him
70 aztrainer : Sometimes it is good to be the nice person. This is the rise of the me generation. People now feel that they have to vent whatever is on their minds
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