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Flybe To Operate For Brussels Airlines  
User currently offlinebmibaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1803 posts, RR: 9
Posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8086 times:

Flybe, Europe's largest regional airline, today announced that it has signed an agreement to provide two Bombardier Dash 8 Q400 aircraft - with pilots, cabin crew and engineering support - to Brussels Airlines at the end of this month on a two year contract flying agreement.

Flybe is expected to operate routes for the Belgian airline throughout Europe, including Hamburg, Strasbourg, Manchester, Lyon, Prague and Hannover.

Flying will commence on the 25th March with the aircraft to be in Brussels Airlines livery.


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User currently offline330lover From Belgium, joined Jul 2008, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8085 times:

Will this replace the Dash from OS operating on behalf of SN, or an addition?


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User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24923 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7790 times:

Quoting 330lover (Reply 1):

In addition. The OS/VO DH4 will continue to serve routes such as MAN alongside BE.



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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3874 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7100 times:

Quoting bmibaby737 (Thread starter):
the aircraft to be in Brussels Airlines livery.

I look forward to seeing that... bet it'll look good!


User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7027 times:

Anyone have an idea which Flybe Dash-8's will be going to them?


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User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 783 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6909 times:

A bit ironic that an airline that BA has shares in is to operate for a Lufthansa owned airline!!!

User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6322 times:

Is SN planning to acquire Q400 for themselves in the future?

User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6296 times:

Quoting baje427 (Reply 6):
Is SN planning to acquire Q400 for themselves in the future?

would make sense for them I guess to to replace older Bae 146s/Avros



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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4313 posts, RR: 36
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5930 times:

It would be nice if they'd reopen Amsterdam, guess the CASM of their Q400s is better then the ARJs. I am sure they can grab more connecting traffic to Africa and southern Europe.


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User currently onlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3760 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5905 times:
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Quoting columba (Reply 7):
would make sense for them I guess to to replace older Bae 146s/Avros

The older 146s are gone already, there were six of them. I believe that two of them went flying for Korongo, a Kinshasa based airline. Please correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not so positive about what I am saying. The other four must still be parked in the BRU Cargo apron, I don't know if they are still airworthy.

The Avros (and I think also the 737s) are next to go. So you are right, they would replace Avros in the long run.

Ben Soriano



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User currently offlinejamesontheroad From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 13 hours ago) and read 5267 times:

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 4):
Anyone have an idea which Flybe Dash-8's will be going to them?

G-ECOH and G-ECOI. Here's G-ECOH, seen a few days ago in SN colours:

http://www.bhxspotter.com/blog/?p=2678


User currently offlineStratofish From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1051 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 13 hours ago) and read 5138 times:

Unfortunately that takes SN off my list. I simply will not fly a loud, slow and uncomfortable prop in this day and age if there is ANY alternative (including trains). In the 22th century props are for GA, scenic flights and skydiving drops only.

A shame really since I like connecting through BRU. Far more pleasant than FRA or CDG etc.   It seems however they keep on bringing in the A319 on some flights here.



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7461 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 5110 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 9):
The Avros (and I think also the 737s) are next to go.

At least eight of the Avros are already gone.

RJ85 OO-DJK was reregistered G-CGVU on 5 August last year
RJ85 OO-DJL was reregistered G-CGYR on 7 December last year
RJ85 OO-DJN was reregistered G-CGYU on 20 February this year
RJ85 OO-DJO was ferried BRU-SEN and parked on 25 January this year
RJ85 OO-DJQ was reregistered G-CHDO on 8 March
RJ85 OO-DJR was ferried BRU-SEN and parked on 20 March
RJ85 OO-DJS was ferried BRU-SEN and parked on 24 January
RJ85 OO-DJT was ferried BRU-Kemble and parked on 27 February

I believe that RJ85s OO-DJV, 'JW,. 'JX, 'JY and 'JZ and the 12 RJ100s are all still in service with SN


User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 5061 times:

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 11):
Unfortunately that takes SN off my list. I simply will not fly a loud, slow and uncomfortable prop in this day and age if there is ANY alternative (including trains). In the 22th century props are for GA, scenic flights and skydiving drops only.

Fortunately then they have 90 more years to get rid of them in order to meet your criteria.


User currently offlinejamesontheroad From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 5035 times:

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 11):
Unfortunately that takes SN off my list. I simply will not fly a loud, slow and uncomfortable prop in this day and age if there is ANY alternative (including trains). In the 22th century props are for GA, scenic flights and skydiving drops only.

Was the last time you were on a prop some time in eighties? I on FlyBe once every few weeks and just love the Q400. The active noise and vibration suppression system is an under appreciated piece of kit. Makes these planes a delight to fly. I also appreciate the airy cabin (no middle seat) and impressive thrust; we've been airborne in less than seven or eight seconds on a few flights recently. Easily preferable to SN's cramped Avros.


User currently offlineStratofish From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1051 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 4990 times:

Quoting jamesontheroad (Reply 14):
Was the last time you were on a prop some time in eighties?

2004/5 ish, no idea how/if I liked the cabin as all I remember is noise and vibration. I'd much rather take on a six hour train ride to BRU than going through that again.

I know the Q400 is economical, but for me any prop is a no no.



The Metro might be the Sub(optimal)way
User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 8 hours ago) and read 4789 times:

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 15):
I know the Q400 is economical, but for me any prop is a no no.

Give it another chance. In the past two months, I've flown on an ERJ-145, a CRJ-700 and a Q400. I'll take the Dash any day in terms of passenger comfort. Yes, it's a little bit louder and a little bit slower, but legroom, shoulder room and cabin height are much, much better than the small jets or even the Avros SN flies at the moment. And for the additional noise, you can always bring earplugs!



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User currently offlinebmibaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1803 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 4674 times:

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 11):
I simply will not fly a loud, slow and uncomfortable prop in this day and age

Haha, numpty. The Dash 8 Q400 is hardly a loud, slow and uncomfortable prop aircraft. It's modern & fairly quiet (providing you're not sat directly next to the prop).


User currently offlinesf260 From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 4667 times:

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 15):

I know the Q400 is economical, but for me any prop is a no no.

The Q400 is more than just economical, I know a lot of people who prefer it over an ERJ 135/145 or CRJ700/900/1000 any time... It is a quite comfortable ride after all.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11638 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 4556 times:

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 5):
A bit ironic that an airline that BA has shares in is to operate for a Lufthansa owned airline!!!

Right now BE need all the revenue they can get, things are far from rosy. The UK domestic market has shrunk considerably more than they expected and they are forecast to make a significant loss for this financial year. They are caught between a rock and a hard place and need to do something fast.

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 11):
I simply will not fly a loud, slow and uncomfortable prop in this day and age if there is ANY alternative (including trains). In the 22th century props are for GA, scenic flights and skydiving drops only.

Well fly a quiet, comfortable and efficient prop instead then.

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 15):
2004/5 ish, no idea how/if I liked the cabin as all I remember is noise and vibration. I'd much rather take on a six hour train ride to BRU than going through that again.

What was the type and sub type though - that's an important missing piece of information. If it was as you describe, I very much doubt it was a modern type.


Dan  



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25117 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 4528 times:

Quoting jamesontheroad (Reply 14):
Easily preferable to SN's cramped Avros.

SN's Avro RJs aren't cramped. Their 5-abreast configuration (like LX's) is very spacious. No comparison with the 6-abreast CityJet and LH Regional Avros which are definitely cramped and best avoided.

I've flown on quite a few Q400s and have no complaints. The only comment I have is that their maximum certificated altitude of 25,000 ft. (due to the lack of drop-down oxygen masks) means you sometimes have to fly through weather and turbulence that you'd be flying over on a jet.


User currently offlinesabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 4490 times:

Indeed, the Avro RJ at SN aren't cramped at all: at 5 abreast, their seats are wider than those on a 737 or A320 even.

I've flown on a Q400 several times in the past and it's not a bad plane from a pax point of view when you compare it to a regional jet like the Ejets or the CRJs, but it's definitely in a lower league than the Avro RJ for the simple reason that's pretty much like an A318/736 with 4 engines.


User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3996 times:

Quoting jamesontheroad (Reply 10):

The Q does not look half bad in the SN livery


User currently offlinejamesontheroad From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3670 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 20):
SN's Avro RJs aren't cramped. Their 5-abreast configuration (like LX's) is very spacious.
Quoting sabenapilot (Reply 21):
Indeed, the Avro RJ at SN aren't cramped at all: at 5 abreast, their seats are wider than those on a 737 or A320 even.

Thanks for the correction - I seemed to think the RJs were six abreast.

Quoting baje427 (Reply 22):
The Q does not look half bad in the SN livery

On second glance it is definitely growing on me. I see the BE livery so much that I've started not to notice it anymore, but the SN colours do remind me of how FlyBe's Blur Medium looks a little childish on the side of a plane  


User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3967 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3599 times:
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Could they be getting ready to replace the two ERJs BMI Regional flies on behalf of SN?


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25 VV701 : This is quite possible. But while it is clear that flybe will be operating two specific aircraft for SN - G-ECOH and G-ECOI both painted in their liv
26 Setjet : Even more ironic that BMI as a still 100% LH subsidiary will soon be flying for BA...
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