Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
AA Unions Ask For Binding Arbitration.  
User currently offlinemiaami From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 563 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3023 times:

This is going to get interesting. Do you think the unions made a good decision here?

http://blogs.star-telegram.com/sky_t...ators-for-binding-arbitration.html

Will AA agree to arbitration?

8 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlinegenybustrvlr From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2998 times:

Not a chance! Maybe AA would have agreed pre-bankruptcy but not now.

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13508 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2792 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Too little, too late. Why would AA trade what is essentially a "guaranteed win" in the courts for a 50/50 shot at a "win" via arbitration?


"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlinecrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 768 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2582 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Agreed it's a little too little, too late.

Although with AA now willing to freeze pension instead of dumping them altogether - if AA does get tied into binding arbitration then I can't help but feel AA management really screwed up their opportunities to get some issues under control in BK and the lost opportunities will likely leave them with little hope of actually emerging as a strong competitor.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7494 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

Forget it. Won't happen.


Stewed...Lewd...Crude...Irreverent...Belligerent
User currently offlineCALPLT756 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2259 times:

Interesting play by the Unions to save what they can of their contracts. Binding Arb. would place them much closer to their competitors than the term sheet presented by the company.

The lawyers will be the real winners in this round. If AA rejects binding arb., then it automatically sets in motion a 30-day cooling off period for self help according the terms of the RLA. I'm not sure the latitude the judge has in matter. There are MANY MANY more what if's than knowns.

S


User currently offlineLDVAviation From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 1039 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2005 times:

Quoting CALPLT756 (Reply 5):
The lawyers will be the real winners in this round. If AA rejects binding arb., then it automatically sets in motion a 30-day cooling off period for self help according the terms of the RLA. I'm not sure the latitude the judge has in matter. There are MANY MANY more what if's than knowns.

No, it doesn't. The NMB would still have to declare an impasse, something it has been reluctant to do because up to this point the unions have not been bargaining in good faith. There is no impasse just because one of the parties refuses binding arbitration.

Even if the NMB were to declare an impasse at this point, AA could quickly file to have the union contracts abrogated. Once abrogated, according to case law, the contracts would no longer exist, the RLA would no longer be the presiding law, and self-help would no longer be an option.


User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5167 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1870 times:

Knowing a little about labor relations, I assumes that AA's first proposal wasn't the last one. The fact that AA is now willing to freeze all pensions but the pilots's proved that.

By the same token, the unions have to know that AA won't agree to arbitration. The risk fo getting stuck with contracts that aren't competitve with the industry is too great.

If I were the head of the TWU or the APFA, the question to ask management is how much do you want to spend, in wages and benefits, on our members each year? And, would you be willing to do something to get a number of very senior employees to leave the workforce? Atter management answers those questions, come up with a proposal that fits those parameters.

As for the APA, besides those questions, I would ask what it would take to get the pension frozen? My guess is to get rid of the lump sum option is part of management's answer.

Here's the question that someone can answer. If the PBGC ultimately takes over the pilots' pension, can a pilot still take a lump sum? I don't know the answer, but I'm betting the answer is no.

If that is the case, then dropping the lump sum option is a no brainer. If the APA is willing to drop it, then the pension plan being frozen is more likely. If not, then the PBGC might wind up dropping it.


User currently offlinemiaami From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 563 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1456 times:

AA's response on Friday,

http://blogs.star-telegram.com/sky_t...quest-for-binding-arbitration.html


Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
NMB: No Release For AA Unions Yet posted Wed Apr 14 2010 10:05:40 by commavia
AA & AE Pilot Unions Call For Single Carrier posted Tue Apr 2 2002 05:59:53 by Av8trxx
AA Adds Charge For Some Window And Aisle Seats posted Mon Aug 29 2011 11:15:08 by LAXintl
AA/JAL Apply For ATI In Japan posted Fri Jun 18 2010 10:32:45 by commavia
AA To AAply For ORD-GRU? posted Tue Apr 13 2010 17:45:41 by GlobalCabotage
AA Positioning Itself For The Future...Right? posted Sat Feb 13 2010 12:36:10 by Seatback
Did AA Sub A300 For 763 On LAX-LHR Route? posted Sat Nov 14 2009 15:15:04 by 747400sp
AA Rampers Busted For Drug Smuggling posted Tue Sep 15 2009 09:58:07 by KC135TopBoom
Etihad And AA Get Approval For Codeshare posted Fri Aug 21 2009 01:20:42 by OP3000
AA Winter Schedule For 757L (Int’l Config.) posted Fri Jul 17 2009 15:20:30 by DFWEagle