SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4967 posts, RR: 15 Posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10351 times:
Since we've reached 200 posts on the previous thread, and we should be starting to see a bunch of new activity in this case shortly, I figured this might be a good time to start a new thread. Here's the link to the previous one:
Here's a quick recap (disclaimer: MY version) of what's happened so far:
UA has selected DCA-SFO service, to start 5/14/12; DL picked DCA-SLC, beginning 6/07/12; and AA chose DCA-LAX to begin 6/14/12. US has not announced any decision yet. These make up the 4 unlimited-incumbent carrier exemptions for new Beyond-Perimeter routes which may be changed to other destinations at will by these 4 cx.
The 4 limited-incumbent/new carrier awards (aka "8 slots") will be chosen by the DOT, with applications for these 4 additional routes due into the DOT no later than Monday, March 12. Comments and arguments regarding these applications are then due no later than March 27. The DOT will then (quickly) make a decision on who gets what routes.
It should be getting really interesting very soon -- perhaps today and no later than Monday -- as we see AS, B6, VX, WN and possibly AC, F9, G4, NK, and WS, strategize, jockey for position, and rumble for those 4 very sought-after authorities for new DCA -service.
(mod's, please feel free to lock the previous thread)
ADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1279 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10182 times:
Don't forget the side discussion on the Air21 slots DL used on DCA-JAN - not really related to the Docket 29 out of perimeter slots. This topic is also covered in WN Applies For OKC-DCA (by usflyguy Mar 6 2012 in Civil Aviation) .
With DL cutting back in DCA it dropped this route.
US flies it now on temporary authority and has applied for the slots permanently. F9 has applied for SDF-DCA and WN for DCA-OKC-DAL. These are IN perimeter slots.
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4967 posts, RR: 15 Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9680 times:
Quoting md3 (Reply 2): Well, today's the big day for the proposals, though we might not see any posted filings until tomorrow.
Ah, you beat me to it md3.
You're right. The Docket may very well not reflect anything until tomorrow but we should start seeing press releases from individual cx or filing reports via other services, or whatever, but I have a feeling we will somehow see (or hear) some specifics later this afternoon. I plan on monitoring this as much as possible today... (I do hope we can keep track of things in this thread so we don't end up with a bunch of different ones about each carrier's filings.)
SouthernDC9 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 324 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9510 times:
So what are people's guesses for the bids/proposals? It's like March Madness, a.net style...
I say AS puts a bird on it to Portland; Virgin A to SFO (which is like a freebie at this point); Jet Blue, I'm going with SAN; F9 to COS, just for a laugh; WN to AUS, just because in their hearts they're so Texas-y; NK to SJU. And Sun Country to Pierre, SD with continuing service to MSP. Keep in mind I have no idea what I'm talking about.
What does AA/US merger mean for CLT/JFK/PHX/North America/Southern Hemisphere/God's Plan for the Universe
RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2582 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9388 times:
Quoting texan (Reply 8): According to AS's website, they are applying for DCA-PDX and DCA-SAN. You can sign a petition there supporting AS's effort to get these slot exemptions.
I am on it for PDX, so how can they apply for two exemptions, when I thought 4 slots left would be given to 4 carriers. When is US going to announce their given slot? Where is it on AS's website, I don't see it?
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4967 posts, RR: 15 Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9366 times:
Quoting SouthernDC9 (Reply 5): I say AS puts a bird on it to Portland; Virgin A to SFO (which is like a freebie at this point); Jet Blue, I'm going with SAN; F9 to COS, just for a laugh; WN to AUS, just because in their hearts they're so Texas-y; NK to SJU. And Sun Country to Pierre, SD with continuing service to MSP. Keep in mind I have no idea what I'm talking about.
I'm sure we'll see multiple destinations bid by many of the cx.
AS has come through just as expected. (YES!) Who's next?
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4967 posts, RR: 15 Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9315 times:
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 12): Guess we'll be busy today signing the petition, when we can both find it, huh Bob?
Absolutely, B! They sure have hidden it well...
I'm sure VX will apply for SFO (like everyone else on the planet thinks) but will they also bid for LAX, just in case? (I would like to think that they might even put in for SAN but I know better than that!)
Great job fellas. I'm sure AS appreciates it (and so do I!)
I've been monitoring the other cx websites and nothing's shown up yet but that doesn't surprise me. (AS's announcement didn't show up where I was looking either.) This isn't really news -- yet -- so until it shows up on the Docket, we're kind of flying blind here and hoping that someone stumbles on something or hears news somehow.
It's now after 2pm in DC. I'm not sure if there's a, say, 5pm deadline for app's, or midnight?
I wonder what would happen of only 3 airlines bid? Would someone get 2 new routes? (Not that I think that's really going to happen.)
Sorry I couldn't respond fast enough--posted as I was heading out the door for work--but glad CGKings317 could!
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 9): I am on it for PDX, so how can they apply for two exemptions, when I thought 4 slots left would be given to 4 carriers. When is US going to announce their given slot? Where is it on AS's website, I don't see it?
I didn't see anything in the order stating that an airline could only apply for one exemption, which means they should be able to apply for as many of the exemptions as they wanted. That doesn't mean the airline will necessarily receive both exemptions, but in many cases it is worth a shot. It is like the opening of HND to U.S. carriers last year (two years ago?)--DL and HA applied for the majority of the frequencies, just in case.
"I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library."
25 steex: Definitely. At no point has DOT claimed that it was providing slots to four different carriers, just that they are going to distribute four beyond-pe
26 point2point: Here is the first line that I've seen of the AS DCA-PDX/SAN filing: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ala...tland-ore-and-san-diego-2012-03-12 and as t
27 SANFan: Hey steex, I wondered where you were. Somewhere I remember seeing that the Final Four cx would be eligible for 2 slot exemptions (read: 1 r/t flight
28 SouthernDC9: In my fantasy world at least one airline will have forgotten about daylight savings time and submit their proposal an hour after the deadline...
29 EA CO AS: Sorry I couldn't say anything about it earlier - had to keep the DCA-SAN portion hush-hush until it was publicly announced!
30 SANFan: Oh now, what a rotten attitiude! LOL! I'm sure most of us have someone particular in mind for that scenario... (But come on now, an airline forgettin
31 wedgetail737: Based on the article, it appears that PDX-DCA has a lot more political backing than SAN-DCA. I'm hoping AS gets at least one, if not both.
32 MAH4546: DOT would forgive the airline and the application go through. It's happened in the past and will happen again, I'm sure.
33 AS739BSI: KING-TV in Seattle has confirmed that one.