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Do You Think Flybe Will Fly From SEN Anytime Soon?  
User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2679 times:

With all the current news about SEN, it got me thinking. Could SEN possibly see Flybe operate out of there sometime in the near future with a few Dash-8's? I'd think it could be a good place for them, and it would give SEN great domestic connections in the UK. The only routes I could see some competition on would be Jersey and Belfast from easyJet.

Could it work, your thoughts?  


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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19186 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2675 times:

Quoting LGWflyer (Thread starter):
The only routes I could see some competition on would be Jersey and Belfast from easyJet.

I can't imagine two operators would be sustainable on those routes.



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User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2653 times:

I just now saw something about Flybe having a SEN summer service to Jersey last year, using a Dash-8. Does anyone know how they did?

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 1):

I can't imagine two operators would be sustainable on those routes.

Well it was just wishful thinking on my part! 



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19186 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2637 times:

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 2):
Does anyone know how they did?

In terms of traffic, BE carried 2,863 on SEN-JER-SEN in 2011, up 15% on 2010. Of course, it was just a summer-seasonal route that did, if I recall, only operate once-weekly. For traffic details, visit www.caa.co.uk/airportstatistics and choose a relevant year or month and then find table 12.2 for domestic analysis and 12.1 for international.



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User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2628 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 3):
In terms of traffic, BE carried 2,863 on SEN-JER-SEN in 2011, up 15% on 2010. Of course, it was just a summer-seasonal route that did, if I recall, only operate once-weekly. For traffic details, visit www.caa.co.uk/airportstatistics and choose a relevant year or month and then find table 12.2 for domestic analysis and 12.1 for international.

Okay i'll have a look, thanks for that!  



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11607 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2628 times:

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 2):
I just now saw something about Flybe having a SEN summer service to Jersey last year, using a Dash-8. Does anyone know how they did?

Well enough for easyJet to pick up the route this summer. And right there is the reason why you are very unlikely to see FlyBe at Southend any time soon - they stay under easyJet's radar for the most part and keep out the way, because they know competing with them would be a futile exercise and they are not in a position to risk losing more money.


Dan  



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User currently onlinecountvis From UK - England, joined Feb 2012, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day ago) and read 2300 times:

Flybe have operated a weekly SEN-JER in a a charter and later part charter and part schedule capacity for the best part of a decade. It always attracted very strong loads with many flights fulll and season total load factor of around 85% Fares were always very high (more than £200 return).

Flybe came very close to opening a base at Southend with two Q400s in Summer 2007. The airport were even at the stage of submitting a planning application for the doubling in size of the old terminal as a stop gap measure to accommodating this. However Flybe had as part of the plans to operate Spanish holiday flights with jets on W patterns from other bases. Unfortunately they were just replacing the BAe 146s at the time with the E195 which were totally incompatible with the runway at Southend pre runway extension, and the plans did not come to fruition.

Flybe then abandoned the Jersey route as son as easyJet announced 3 flights a week on the route, which has now been increased to a minimum of 4 p/w (with daily flights in the summer peak).

I think Flybe would be much better suited at SEN than easyJet on the domestic routes. From looking at the booking engine, Belfast is the most poorly performing easyJet route out of Southend, since I think there may be a bit too much capacity on that route with 2 daily A319s at least initially. I think Flybe would be more suited to a Belfast route, along with many other domestic routes such as Edinburgh, Glasgow or perhaps Newcastle.

It is quite probable that easyJet may have plans for Scottish routes in the future since they have made it quite clear there will be further expansion from Southend if the base is successful. Therefore the airport may not be enthusiastic in encouraging Flybe to operate such routes.

If a deal hadn't been struck with easyJet, and believe that Flybe would have become the core carrier at Southend. It is such a shame that Flybe did not try seriously expansion of the Jersey route, as easyJet has got 8 times the capacity on the Jersey route avaliable this year. Flybe well and truly missed the boat at Southend!


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7360 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 2233 times:

Quoting LGWflyer (Thread starter):
Could SEN possibly see Flybe operate out of there sometime in the near future

Not the near future. I think Flybe's expansion resources will be too taken up with establishing its joint ventures in Finland and Belgium to look at any relatively small new operation from what is currently a non-base. Perhaps in a couple of years . . . But who knows?


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11607 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 22 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 7):
Not the near future. I think Flybe's expansion resources will be too taken up with establishing its joint ventures in Finland and Belgium

I thought the SN Brussels contract was a wet-lease?


Dan  



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7360 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 2081 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 8):
I thought the SN Brussels contract was a wet-lease?

It is. But BE will therefore be supplying both of the aircraft and all of the flight crew - I am not sure about the cabin crew. And it is a lot more than just finding the aircraft and flight personnel and sending them away. And even it was that reduces their ability to find the hardware and personnel to open up new bases. Also it is not clear to me if BE will be seconding flight crew semi-permanently to the SN flights, basing them at BRU, or will be regularly rotating crew at BHX and/or MAN.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11607 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 9):
It is. But BE will therefore be supplying both of the aircraft and all of the flight crew - I am not sure about the cabin crew. And it is a lot more than just finding the aircraft and flight personnel and sending them away. And even it was that reduces their ability to find the hardware and personnel to open up new bases. Also it is not clear to me if BE will be seconding flight crew semi-permanently to the SN flights, basing them at BRU, or will be regularly rotating crew at BHX and/or MAN.

From what I've heard it will be the same as the Olympic deal. Which makes me none the wiser as I don't know what it entailed in regards to crewing.


Dan  



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User currently offlineGingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 893 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 1959 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 10):
From what I've heard it will be the same as the Olympic deal. Which makes me none the wiser as I don't know what it entailed in regards to crewing.

One would assume that the crew would be rotated on a weekly/bi-weekly basis. I can't imagine too many crew members agreeing to be based out in Greece or Belgium on a semi-permanent basis. Especially if they have children and other family commitments.



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