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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1141 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8466 times:

AS is expanding rapidly in the US. Is there a chance they could hop on over to Asia, or even Europe? I know they have tons of codeshares with tons of airlines but if flying, say, SEA/ANC-NRT, why connect on DL or AA when AS can do it themselves and possibly make more money? I know origin and destination traffic to/from NRT wouldn't be large enough from SEA or ANC but it is just hypothetical.

I do acknowledge AS would need long haul planes to do this, I would say A330 but as they are all Boeing I would say 787. They can do routes such as ANC/SEA-ICN/SVO/NRT/ and maybe LHR and CDG. Also, is there a chance they could return to the Russian Far East?


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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1999 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8310 times:

What's with all the AS threads recently?

Quoting TWA772LR (Thread starter):
Is there a chance they could hop on over to Asia, or even Europe?

Yes there is. There's also a chance I could win the Powerball lottery next week. Neither are likely to happen.


User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8267 times:

There is always a chance that anything will happen. And aren't there rumors that AS will go back to the Russian Far East? (yes I know how unreliable rumors are but there is still that glimmer of hope)

Quoting chrisair (Reply 1):

What if you actually do win the power ball?  



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User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8215 times:

I could see flights over to NRT or ICN but thats it really (hypothetically speaking). But I can't see AS going long haul at the moment nor in the near future. Their focus I believe is securing the west coast segment (LAS, LAX, San Jose, SLC, SEA, ANC, Spokane ect) with their 737's and then maybe venturing on the east cost by offering more trans-con flights to and from SEA and/or LAX. As far as orders are concerned, they'll pull the trigger on the MAX later on.

User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8203 times:

When did they ever go to Russia??

User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5829 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8184 times:
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Quoting rotating14 (Reply 4):
When did they ever go to Russia??

AS flew to Russia during the 1980's and 1990's first using 727 equipment, then with MD-80 aircraft. Both Aeroflot and Mavial Magadan Airlines flew to ANC and SEA from Russia's Far East using Tu-154 and IL-62 aircraft.


User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8153 times:

Interesting news, never would've thunk it.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 5):


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2878 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6886 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 1):
What's with all the AS threads recently?

I notice that too.   I like it since they are my favorite airline and arguably one of the most interesting.

Quoting TWA772LR (Thread starter):
AS is expanding rapidly in the US. Is there a chance they could hop on over to Asia, or even Europe?

I don't think that is in AS's business model. While companies need to grow and make necessary changes, like I said in another thread, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". AS has a profitable niche, as does WN and G4. That's like why doesn't Microsoft start building cars. That's not their business model. AS flies one type of airline to North American destinations. They'd need a whole new fleet type, and breaking into somewhat of a saturated market, should they decide to fly overseas.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 2):
And aren't there rumors that AS will go back to the Russian Far East? (yes I know how unreliable rumors are but there is still that glimmer of hope)

Is this right? I haven't heard it. Any insiders like Tom care to confirm this? I can see the 737-700 being a suitable airplane should AS try to jump back in that market.


User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 792 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6788 times:
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Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 7):
Is this right? I haven't heard it. Any insiders like Tom care to confirm this? I can see the 737-700 being a suitable airplane should AS try to jump back in that market



Sorry Boeing...haven't heard a word!



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User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3378 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days ago) and read 6118 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 5):
AS flew to Russia during the 1980's and 1990's first using 727 equipment, then with MD-80 aircraft. Both Aeroflot and Mavial Magadan Airlines flew to ANC and SEA from Russia's Far East using Tu-154 and IL-62 aircraft.

I believe they also went earlier with the Convair jets, but Google seems to disagree. It looks like they used 707s to run charters in the early 70s.



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2878 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5464 times:

Quoting doug_Or (Reply 9):

I believe they also went earlier with the Convair jets, but Google seems to disagree. It looks like they used 707s to run charters in the early 70s.

AS never served Russia with scheduled service until the aforementioned MD-80 service. I've heard too that AS did charters to places like Moscow in the 1970s, but not aware their one 880 or one 990 ever ventured out of the US, which of course then consisted of the state of Alaska and SEA.

I'm not surprised at Tom's previous comment. As much as we'd like to see it, it sounds like AS has no plans to resume Far East Russia anytime soon.


User currently offlinecschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5391 times:

They would have to add another type of plane for Asia or Europe, for a very specific route, and that's not their MO. Huge capital cost for potential big losses and nowhere else to use the asset if the initial routes don't work. And they don't need to....with all the partnerships and code sharing they have, they get the benefit of feeding traffic to DL and KE and AF and KL and CX and AA and BA and..... they don't need to.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24061 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4774 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 5):
Quoting rotating14 (Reply 4):
When did they ever go to Russia??

AS flew to Russia during the 1980's and 1990's first using 727 equipment, then with MD-80 aircraft. Both Aeroflot and Mavial Magadan Airlines flew to ANC and SEA from Russia's Far East using Tu-154 and IL-62 aircraft.

Scroll to about the 6:40 mark in the following excerpt from the 1997 BBC series "Full Circle with Michael Palin" (of Monty Python fame) covering his trip around the Pacific rim. Shows his group checking in for the AS flight from ANC to PKC (Petropavlovsk).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5o-BekOlb0


User currently offlinerjm777ual From UK - England, joined Nov 2011, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4637 times:

It's possible they could do what UA does with their Guam- Tokyo 737 route, but that's about it.


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User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4349 times:

If they did decide to try out flights to Europe, which aircraft would they most likely go for? B767's? Or could they even try Airbus for their longhaul fleet and get some A332's...? A sort of similar idea to HA.


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User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 828 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3544 times:

There was a little talk 4-5 years ago about maybe going back into the Russian Far East but nothing came of it. I think the rumor stemmed from the fact that we finally had the right equipment with the 737-800 ETOPS. The MD-80 from ANC-KHV and on to VVO was really a stretch and the infrastructure in Russia was much to be desired.

I would NOT be surprised to see AS flying the 787 ten years from today from points out of SEA and ANC to the far East and northern Europe. I've always thought ANC-NRT, ICN and HKG and ANC-LHR, CDG, AMS in the summers would be packed....and in the winters the extra capacity would be easily utilized to out of SEA to Hawaii and Mexico. You could even still offer 2x daily in the winter out of ANC. Service out ot SEA to LGW, OSL, NRT and HKG would do also do quite well.

Alaska could easily model themselves after Icelandair and be quite successful had they the desire.


User currently offlineDash8Driver16 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3179 times:

I wouldn't be surprised to see Alaska consider a long haul route from SEA-NRT if UA ever drops that route.

User currently offlineneutronstar73 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3112 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Thread starter):

Why would you, out the box, say Alaska Airlines should use A330 for long haul? That seems particularly odd since they are all Boeing now, and the 787 is out there which beats the A330 on all counts. 777 may be a bit too large but 787 would be perfect for them.

A330 is fine but on the way out. 787 is the way ahead for them

[Edited 2012-03-11 20:31:06]

User currently offlineRockinflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3096 times:

I doubt very much that AS would go for an Airbus over Boeing. Perhaps a 767 of some sort? I don't see a 787 either unless it was nonstop SEA-SIN or something like that.


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User currently offlineJayinKitsap From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 769 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3038 times:

WN could order a dozen 380s also.....

AS is a courtesan that has for years served NW, Delta, AA, and others well without needing a ring or a PreNupt. Sure Delta and AA get miffed at times with AS slips another route into what was their stronghold. But it has given many airlines the routes and service to a lot of markets without the expense.

AS is also profitable, a rarity in the aviation business, why would they suddenly grab into longhaul and compete against the very customer that has been their sugar daddy.


User currently onlineflyingcaT From United States of America, joined May 2007, 527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 3):
Their focus I believe is securing the west coast segment (LAS, LAX, San Jose, SLC, SEA, ANC, Spokane ect) with their 737's and then maybe venturing on the east cost by offering more trans-con flights to and from SEA and/or LAX.

LAX??

This would certainly be out of the blue!


User currently offlineASFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1044 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

Quoting JayinKitsap (Reply 19):
AS is also profitable, a rarity in the aviation business, why would they suddenly grab into longhaul and compete against the very customer that has been their sugar daddy.

AS has proven that they will not let the competition from their partners deter them from beginning service on a particular route. They have worked cooperatively with their partners to the extent the law allows on many routes but much of their success over the last ten years has been by adding service to routes that were previously served by their partners. BOS, EWR, ATL, MSP, ORD, DFW, IAH, MIA, HNL were all routes that were served by partners at the time that AS began service on them. On some routes the partners backed out and others they exist peacefully on. I see no reason why adding service to some secondary destinations oversees, bypassing their competitors hubs, wouldn't work. AS has tapped out most of the low hanging fruit domestically, they are going to have to look at ways to continue their successful expansion in order to remain profitable.


User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1999 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2501 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 2):
What if you actually do win the power ball?  

I'll buy back some of that Alaska stock I sold back in 2008 and then buy this website. 


User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1268 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2434 times:

I think they could do well to a place like CPH.

User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 828 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 23):
I think they could do well to a place like CPH.

Agreed....SEA-CPH was an old SAS route that did very well. They flew it for years with a stretch DC-8 before the DC-10 and 767. I remember sitting in the very back of an SK DC-8 stretch from OSL-LHR, watching the fuselage bend and twist on the take-off roll. That was one long, skinny aluminum tube!


25 lhpdx : PDX?! I'm sure we'll see some growth as well...............................
26 Post contains images point2point : I think that if AS ever does go long-haul, their first route needs to be SEA-DBX, with an A380. After all, somebody needs to teach that nasty ol' Emir
27 Post contains images HiFlyerAS : To a point. We'll see AS apply for PDX-DCA by tomorrow's deadline. BOS and ORD are paying the bills but PDX-MCO was tough. I'd love to see it return
28 BoeingGuy : Will AS apply for SJC-DCA also, as rumored? I heard that PDX-MCO was full, but yields were poor. Is that right?
29 EA CO AS : Not that I've heard of; supposedly PDX-DCA and SAN-DCA are it. Correct, from what I've been told.
30 BoeingGuy : That's interesting. So AS is turning more to SAN as a new focus city, rather than SJC? I would have expected any new California long-hauls (ORD, EWR,
31 AS739BSI : Certain arm-chair CEOs wanting them to merge with AA or US. Why would AS want to expand into an uncertain long-haul market? It is like if B6 were to
32 chrisair : People have been saying this since I started flying AS in 1985 (back when there were 5 FAs on the 727s and you got a full, hot or cold meal in coach
33 Post contains links cschleic : Press release posted today. PDX and SAN to DCA. http://splash.alaskasworld.com/Newsr...s/ASstories/AS_20120312_105958.asp
34 NC1844V : You are correct. Alaska Airlines has been able to remain profitable during the hard times, due to just that, they stick to what they know. They are b
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