MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31119 posts, RR: 74 Posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4749 times:
Gol has applied with the Department of Transportation to operate daily service between Miami and Sao Paulo, via Caracas, effective 29 June 2012. No schedule has been provided to DOT.
wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5534 posts, RR: 5 Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4147 times:
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 4): I believe Venezuela is either the first or second most restricted country in South America.
Venezuela never used to be like that until the Chavez Administration took over. During the early 1990's, EA (later AA), Viasa, Avensa, Servivensa and not too much later...the introduction of Aeropostal. There was plenty of service to Venezuela.
I think if Hugo Chavez wasn't so anti-American and would ease up on trade between us and them, we would see lots of service between the US and Venezuela. Venezuela has plenty of airlines that want to serve the US.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9079 posts, RR: 13 Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3285 times:
Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 10): LA SCL-GYE-CCS-MIA; 1x weekly with 763.
Thanks for the schedule SJOtoLIR. Why is LAN only flying the route once weekly? Seems very unattractive, can't they get more frequencies from the aviation authorities?
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31119 posts, RR: 74 Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3270 times:
Quoting A388 (Reply 11): Thanks for the schedule SJOtoLIR. Why is LAN only flying the route once weekly? Seems very unattractive, can't they get more frequencies from the aviation authorities?
MIACCS is 2x weekly. Once weekly it continues to GYE before SCL; once weekly it goes non-stop to SCL.
LA operates a daily daylight flight MIASCL that stops in either CCS, BOG, CUN or PUJ depending on the day.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9079 posts, RR: 13 Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3252 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12): MIACCS is 2x weekly. Once weekly it continues to GYE before SCL; once weekly it goes non-stop to SCL.
LA operates a daily daylight flight MIASCL that stops in either CCS, BOG, CUN or PUJ depending on the day.
So CCS-MIA is once weekly and MIA-CCS is twice weekly? Does this type of routing follow demand or why has LAN chosen such a routing? Can they add more frequencies on the CCS-MIA route?
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31119 posts, RR: 74 Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3238 times:
Quoting A388 (Reply 13): So CCS-MIA is once weekly and MIA-CCS is twice weekly? Does this type of routing follow demand or why has LAN chosen such a routing? Can they add more frequencies on the CCS-MIA route?
No, it's twice weekly in both directions.
I don't know if the government would allow it to add more flights, but CCS is simply a stop on the daylight MIASCL flight using a plane that would otherwise be parked on the Tarmac at MIA. It's all about utilization.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9079 posts, RR: 13 Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3230 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14): No, it's twice weekly in both directions.
I don't know if the government would allow it to add more flights, but CCS is simply a stop on the daylight MIASCL flight using a plane that would otherwise be parked on the Tarmac at MIA. It's all about utilization.
Okay thanks for the explanation. With GOL potentially starting a MIA route from CCS, let's see how LAN will react.
These days a 40 minutes stop in CCS seem to be too little time.
It took 30 minutes to get someone to move the jetway to the aircraft last time I arrived at CCS (and the plane had to wait 10 minutes before to move to the gate).
G3 shouldn't have chosen better days to operate that route. Most likely those are the days of the week when there's more demand between CCS and MIA. At least seems G3 is doing its CCS-MIA homework quite well.
Any news as when G3 plans to add the Tuesdays and Saturdays flights?
797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1821 posts, RR: 26 Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2861 times:
Interesting.
I am assuming the Venezuelan Authority INAC has pre-approved this route, right?
If they are formally applying with the DOT, it means they would have some sort of certainty that there's the permission for the technical stop in CCS...
If the stop is only technical, and no PAX can be picked up and carried onwards, then no 5th Freedom rights would be needed...
797
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LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11201 posts, RR: 61 Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2663 times:
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Quoting C010T3 (Reply 19): Where did you access that information?
The letter dd Feb 17 from ANAC to DOT clarifies which type of frequencies they got.
The ones departing from Sao Paulo are among the 105 original frequencies, which now TAM owns 62 and GOL, 7.
They got 7 frequencies from Section 2, paragraph 1 (b), which are restricted to any place other than Rio and Sao Paulo area airports.
They could took 14 from the unrestricted ones, but it seems they do not have plans for a Sao Paulo (or Rio) flight on the second flight. That's why i heard about the CNF-BEL-MIA flight.
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C010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3513 posts, RR: 21 Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2601 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 22):
The letter dd Feb 17 from ANAC to DOT clarifies which type of frequencies they got.
The ones departing from Sao Paulo are among the 105 original frequencies, which now TAM owns 62 and GOL, 7.
They got 7 frequencies from Section 2, paragraph 1 (b), which are restricted to any place other than Rio and Sao Paulo area airports.
They could took 14 from the unrestricted ones, but it seems they do not have plans for a Sao Paulo (or Rio) flight on the second flight. That's why i heard about the CNF-BEL-MIA flight.
I forgot about reading the letter on the application. It makes sense now.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31119 posts, RR: 74 Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2460 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 22): They could took 14 from the unrestricted ones, but it seems they do not have plans for a Sao Paulo (or Rio) flight on the second flight. That's why i heard about the CNF-BEL-MIA flight.
I heard FOR-BEL-MIA.
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25 incitatus: Do these GOL people have any idea about what they are doing? If they are going to fly GRU-CCS-MIA, the way to the jackpot is to make sure GRU-MIA is
26 cybergus: Believe me they do. They are targeting the CCS-MIA sector which is highly underserved. They are probably applying the same technique as LAN, which is
27 SJOtoLIR: A very similar route like the extinct JJ FOR-BEL-MAO-MIA with 320 which operated before the dedicated JJ MIA-MAO with 763; both on a daily basis. Reg
28 Avianca: well have to say in general the fares out of CCS are these days crazy high....cheapest international route i can think of is CCS-POS for 500 USD roun
29 cybergus: Hey Andreas! Fares out of CCS are epic...but MIA has been exaggeratedly expensive. We are talking a route that went from 400$ to 900$ in the snap of a
30 LipeGIG: FOR-BEL sounds even better as there's competition. However, CNF-BEL represents a potential strong domestic route due to the mining ties among both ma
31 797: My opinion is, until we don't see anything official posted from the Venezuelan INAC, then we shouldn't get our hopes up. These people are relentless.
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