qf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2555 posts, RR: 1 Posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 11384 times:
I just stumbled across this news article from the Sydney Morning Herald...
Looks like a return to service this month (as was suggested earlier in the year) has been ruled out, and that testing will occur out of SIN before she returns to SYD at the 'end of April'. I'm betting this will slip to May, and that it will still be a while before she returns to revenue service.
And it appears that the predicted PR stunt will be happening as well -- "Senior Qantas executives, including chief executive Alan Joyce, were expected to be on the flight from Singapore."
EK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 3906 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10777 times:
Quoting qf002 (Thread starter):
Looks like a return to service this month (as was suggested earlier in the year) has been ruled out, and that testing will occur out of SIN before she returns to SYD at the 'end of April'. I'm betting this will slip to May, and that it will still be a while before she returns to revenue service.
And it appears that the predicted PR stunt will be happening as well -- "Senior Qantas executives, including chief executive Alan Joyce, were expected to be on the flight from Singapore."
Wonderful news regardless of the return to service dates slipping by a few months and also as expected there will be a PR stunt similar to the return of VH-OJH with James Strong...
Will there be a surprise and a special scheme applied
ZuluAlpha From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 351 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10649 times:
Quoting EK413 (Reply 1): Will there be a surprise and a special scheme applied
IMHO I would be surprised if there will be a new colour scheme on Nancy
Besides the senior management, shall we all start to guess what will also be involved with the return of Nancy.
I'll get the ball rolling, and be saying that John Travolta will come out with his 707
qf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2555 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10397 times:
Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 2): I'll get the ball rolling, and be saying that John Travolta will come out with his 707
Quoting EK413 (Reply 3): I say there is a 50/50 chance Travolta will make an appearance in SYD for Nancy birds return...
I would have thought that QF would want to slip this aircraft back into service as quietly as possible. Any media coverage about this aircraft will include every last detail of how the aircraft 'scraped death', 'almost killed hundreds', 'blew up over Indonesia' etc.
Quoting EK413 (Reply 3): we heard it from the horse mouth there will be an aboriginal special scheme reappearing on a A380....
All they said was a 'new type'... We all just automatically assume an A380, but it could very easily be an A333 (the entire fleet needs repainting soon anyway...)
N14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2313 posts, RR: 25 Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9531 times:
Quoting qf002 (Thread starter): And it appears that the predicted PR stunt will be happening as well -- "Senior Qantas executives, including chief executive Alan Joyce, were expected to be on the flight from Singapore."
Quoting qf002 (Reply 4): Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 2):I'll get the ball rolling, and be saying that John Travolta will come out with his 707Quoting EK413 (Reply 3):I say there is a 50/50 chance Travolta will make an appearance in SYD for Nancy birds return...
I would have thought that QF would want to slip this aircraft back into service as quietly as possible. Any media coverage about this aircraft will include every last detail of how the aircraft 'scraped death', 'almost killed hundreds', 'blew up over Indonesia' etc.
Even though I am positive about VH-OQA returing to service I fail to understand why they make such a story about it. After all it's just a plane that was dammaged, repaired and is returning to its home base. As qf002 says, I wouldn't make much noise about it....
KELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 5932 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8124 times:
Quoting EK413 (Reply 3): Just wishful thinking plus we heard it from the horse mouth there will be an aboriginal special scheme reappearing on a A380....
"Whaleulla Dreaming?"
:D
Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
There's always got to be a 'negative' remark!
Yes its just an A380 which was damaged and repaired but what we forgetting is its an A380 which pushed the aircraft abilities to the limits and has proven the safety of the A380...
sydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2376 posts, RR: 18 Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6174 times:
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 5): As qf002 says, I wouldn't make much noise about it....
QF has a tradition of doing this. Remember the 744 that over-ran the runway in BKK? The then CEO and Senior Management etc were all on that plane when it landed back in Sydney as well. QF likes this sort of PR as it re-inforces the fact they've never "lost" a jet powered aircraft.
I think it's notable in the article that they focus on the fact that the entire cabin needs re-freshing. I doubt that that takes 2 months to do so I'd say Airbus and QF are taking the opportunity to maybe use this aircraft to verify the fixes to the wings structural problems or something like that.
pliersinsight From United States of America, joined exactly 5 years ago today! , 446 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4189 times:
Quoting EK413 (Reply 7): but what we forgetting is its an A380 which pushed the aircraft abilities to the limits and has proven the safety of the A380...
Not to be a bother, but,
I'd say it was more like an A380 that, via a cascading series of failures, pushed a flight crew to discover what the limits on THEIR abilities were and were found to be within them to the tune of within 100m of runway remaining and thereby proving the safety factor of professionals in charge.
I'd give the credit to the crew, not the machine, in this instance.
airportugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3065 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4158 times:
Quoting pliersinsight (Reply 9): I'd give the credit to the crew, not the machine, in this instance.
It goes to both there is no doubt about it. Modern technology and excellent modern day flight training/skills played a crucial role in returning the craft safely back to SIN
stasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3266 posts, RR: 6 Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4092 times:
Quoting pliersinsight (Reply 9): I'd give the credit to the crew, not the machine, in this instance.
As would the passengers on it's last flight - credit goes to the crew, not Airbus in my opinion.
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety!" B.Franklin
I'd say it was more like an A380 that, via a cascading series of failures, pushed a flight crew to discover what the limits on THEIR abilities were and were found to be within them to the tune of within 100m of runway remaining and thereby proving the safety factor of professionals in charge.
I'd give the credit to the crew, not the machine, in this instance.
Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 11): As would the passengers on it's last flight - credit goes to the crew, not Airbus in my opinion.
Thanks for your opinions, but as the crew gave credit to the 380 and dare I say it, Airbus, then I have to assume that it was man and machine working together in extremely difficult circumstances.
Also, I think you will find in all cases where there is serious technical issues on a frame and the crew bring her home, there is always the mutual back slapping between crew and machine. It has to be this way, as there are many other instances where a bad frame or bad crew finished each other, and their passengers.
flood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1052 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3800 times:
Quoting pliersinsight (Reply 9): I'd give the credit to the crew, not the machine, in this instance.
Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 11): credit goes to the crew, not Airbus in my opinion.
Captin Richard de Crespigny:
"This is the biggest testament to Airbus. Some people might think the aircraft collapsed under the onslaught but no aircraft is ever designed to take the beating that this aircraft got."
"The wing was clusterbombed, the aircraft had phenomenal damage to all systems - and it didn't just recover, it performed brilliantly. It is indestructible." http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-n...-faith-in-a380-20110213-1as5g.html
I'm not taking away any credit from the crew, mind you, but it's rather ludicrous to imply Airbus and the A380 deserve no credit in the successful outcome of this inciddent.
Quoting col (Reply 12): it was man and machine working together in extremely difficult circumstances.
Quoting col (Reply 12): Gotta love unbiased replies.
qf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2555 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3691 times:
Quoting sydscott (Reply 8): QF has a tradition of doing this. Remember the 744 that over-ran the runway in BKK? The then CEO and Senior Management etc were all on that plane when it landed back in Sydney as well. QF likes this sort of PR as it re-inforces the fact they've never "lost" a jet powered aircraft.
A single event, which occurred over ten years ago under different management and in different circumstances, can hardly be labelled as marking a 'tradition'. I just think that QF has had too much negative press over the past two years to manage to pull a big PR circus like this off -- the press will ignore the positives (QF safety, A380 safety etc) and focus on any negative that they can latch onto to discredit QF.
Quoting flood (Reply 13): I'm not taking away any credit from the crew, mind you, but it's rather ludicrous to imply Airbus and the A380 deserve no credit in the successful outcome of this inciddent.
Sydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2376 posts, RR: 18 Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3474 times:
Quoting qf002 (Reply 14): A single event, which occurred over ten years ago under different management and in different circumstances, can hardly be labelled as marking a 'tradition'.
What about the one that had a gas bottle blow a hole in the side of it. QF ramped up the press for its return to service as well. It goes into their narrative of never having lost a plane in the jet age.
qf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2555 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3349 times:
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 15): What about the one that had a gas bottle blow a hole in the side of it. QF ramped up the press for its return to service as well. It goes into their narrative of never having lost a plane in the jet age.
I don't remember any major spectacle around the return of that aircraft though -- AJ certainly didn't fly into SYD on it.
N14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2313 posts, RR: 25 Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2480 times:
Quoting EK413 (Reply 7): Quoting N14AZ (Reply 5):
There's always got to be a 'negative' remark!
??? Where have I been negative? It was just a question and the answer seems to be:
Quoting sydscott (Reply 8): QF has a tradition of doing this. Remember the 744 that over-ran the runway in BKK? The then CEO and Senior Management etc were all on that plane when it landed back in Sydney as well. QF likes this sort of PR as it re-inforces the fact they've never "lost" a jet powered aircraft.
Tradition or not, this is most probably the background.
TN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 816 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1987 times:
Quoting EK413 (Reply 3): Just wishful thinking plus we heard it from the horse mouth there will be an aboriginal special scheme reappearing on a A380....
Thats not my recollection of his statement, do you have a source re your comment.
Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 10): It goes to both there is no doubt about it. Modern technology and excellent modern day flight training/skills played a crucial role in returning the craft safely back to SIN
Ditto
Quoting col (Reply 12): Also, I think you will find in all cases where there is serious technical issues on a frame and the crew bring her home, there is always the mutual back slapping between crew and machine. It has to be this way, as there are many other instances where a bad frame or bad crew finished each other, and their passengers
I would go one step further in all this PR on Nancy's return. I think QF should invite all the pax that were on that flight to either:
fly back with AJ on that flight from SIN, at QF expence, OR
be invited to a slap up celebration timed to receive Nancy as she lands back in SYD.
I would see this as fantastic PR for QF, especially if the crew that were on that ac at the time of the incident were the ones to fly her back home. The press could only only put a positive spin on this, any negativity would be derided as.................
remember the t shirt "I own an airline"on the front - "qantas" on the back
pliersinsight From United States of America, joined exactly 5 years ago today! , 446 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1881 times:
Quoting flood (Reply 13): I'm not taking away any credit from the crew, mind you, but it's rather ludicrous to imply Airbus and the A380 deserve no credit in the successful outcome of this inciddent.
I was just saying the crew deserved credit, perhaps more than the machine, in my opinion. I have not a favorite when it comes to Boeing or Airbus. Giving credit to the crew was absent from the post I quoted. Machines and people break. I'm one to appreciate people who don't break down, even when the machines do. After all, people are a lot more error prone than machines, and it is nice to see the people rise to the occasion when he machine comes apart. To look at it any way different, is to see something that is not there. Of course the crew is going to say nice things about the plane. Their remarks could be equal doses of truth and modesty, or all truth, or all modesty, we don't know because we are not them. Overarching all of this, if we wanted to play the blame/fame game, you have to levy blame on Rolls Royce and give credit to the aircraft and the crew, but then you come across as being a "GE is better than RR" propagandist. Full disclosure, I am a GE shareholder.
If I intended my remarks to be airbus bashing, you would have seen words to the effect of: "You have to give the crew all the credit, and anything they said nice about the plane was because their airline still flies the type."
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