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30 New 777's For Chinese Airlines-->Boeing  
User currently onlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 734 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 17131 times:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...logy/2017747280_boeingchina15.html

According to this article, Boeing has won 30 new orders for the 777 but the 10 freighters from China Southern Air are included in this tally so its really 20 new frames. I Guess its not hard for Boeing to sell in China with the EU spat continuing. Who might these buyers be?? Ideas??   

Boeing in "advanced discussions" for 777s in China

[Edited 2012-03-14 15:33:24 by SA7700]

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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2612 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 17114 times:

Quoting rotating14 (Thread starter):

I think you meant -300ER for china southern, the other 20 could be for Air China and maybe MU?



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User currently offlineac033 From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2008, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 16998 times:

I would expect another 10-15 from Hainan Group and maybe 5 top on order from Air China.

MU most unlikely will order the B77W because their A343 is planned to replaced by A332 and A346 still got life.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 16963 times:

The ETS is working out well for Boeing . What happens when one day the Chinese carriers don't need more planes, regardless of the political implications?


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User currently onlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 734 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 16844 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 2):

Yes you are right!


User currently offlinekrisyyz From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 16210 times:

Good new for Boeing... the mighty triple seven is going strong.

Perhaps off topic, but is Boeing still committed to the development of the 787-10 given their interest in the 777NG ?

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2615 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 16103 times:

Good for the 777 but wish Air China and Hong Kong Airlines would firm up those 748i orders.

Quoted from the article: Additionally, Albaugh says to expect 747-8 Freighter orders in the "next several months" despite softening in the global air freight market. - I am going to guess SQ may be one of those customers.


User currently onlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 734 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 15895 times:

Quoting krisyyz (Reply 5):

From what I understand they are. It will sacrifice range for seating capacity.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12181 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 15840 times:

Great news for Boeing and it is beginning to look like another great year for the B-777.

Any news from China on last year's B-747-8I order of 15 airplanes?


User currently offlineozglobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2732 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 15660 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
The ETS is working out well for Boeing .
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 8):

Great news for Boeing and it is beginning to look like another great year for the B-777.

Americans, make up your mind. Is it political only (no credit to Boeing) or is it on 777's merit (no thanks to ETS)?

Acquiescing to a bully is never a good policy.



When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently onlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7714 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 15608 times:

Quoting ozglobal (Reply 9):
Acquiescing to a bully is never a good policy.

Depends on your side of the fence, you mean China or the EU  


User currently offlinedavs5032 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 15489 times:

Quoting krisyyz (Reply 5):
Perhaps off topic, but is Boeing still committed to the development of the 787-10 given their interest in the 777NG ?

Since it's looking like Boeing are replacing the 777-200/300 with a larger variants, I'd say it only makes the 787-10 more likely. The 787-10 would seem to fit quite nicely in Boeing's product list given the wider gap that will exist between the 789 and 777 family.


User currently offlineChazPilot From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12570 times:

Awww...see what happens when we all play together nicely (against the EU Carbon Tax Scheme)?  

User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 737 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12322 times:

Quoting par13del (Reply 10):

Depends on your side of the fence, you mean China or the EU

zing!

Boeing's selling water in the desert, meantime.


User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9979 times:

I don't think any of the Chinese airlines have recalled their interest for Airbus aircraft as their proposals are still being reviewed by the Chinese authorities (nothing has been withdrawn).

But, I'm sure this will put pressure on Airbus and the EU to appease the Chinese gov't. You could probably use the additional tax revenue from the Airbus orders for China to build eco friendly power stations that would displace far more carbon emissions then ETS ever would.



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User currently offlineworkhorse From France, joined Jul 2005, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9235 times:

Quoting ac033 (Reply 2):
MU most unlikely will order the B77W because their A343 is planned to replaced by A332 and A346 still got life.

Are China Eastern's A330's part of the two dozen (from other sources : 35) A330's whose purchase is allegedly blocked by the government?


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12181 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9048 times:

Quoting ozglobal (Reply 9):
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):The ETS is working out well for Boeing . Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 8):
Great news for Boeing and it is beginning to look like another great year for the B-777.
Americans, make up your mind. Is it political only (no credit to Boeing) or is it on 777's merit (no thanks to ETS)?

Acquiescing to a bully is never a good policy.

I think you can take it to the bank the B-777 sale is on the merits of the airplane. The B-777 is one of the most successful WBs ever offered for sale. Chances are this sale has been being talked about by China and Boeing long before ETS became an issue.


User currently onlinenomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8771 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 16):
I think you can take it to the bank the B-777 sale is on the merits of the airplane. The B-777 is one of the most successful WBs ever offered for sale. Chances are this sale has been being talked about by China and Boeing long before ETS became an issue.

Of course. That doesn't mean it was decided.



Andy Goetsch
User currently offlineshankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8722 times:

Quoting ozglobal (Reply 9):
Americans, make up your mind. Is it political only (no credit to Boeing) or is it on 777's merit (no thanks to ETS)?

Merit, merit, merit. The 777 (and especially the W) is a remarkable family of airplanes. Perhaps not the best cabin ride out there but boy does that thing shift people and bags safely and efficiently



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User currently offlineDaysleeper From UK - England, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8398 times:

I’m not entirely sure what to make of this, if I remember correctly Chinese carries cancelled orders for 24 787’s last year opting to order A330’s instead. If they have now blocked the A330 orders then they would be pretty limited in terms of what they could order instead.

I guess we will have to wait and see, if they take the A330’s then this is indeed a new order, if not then essentially it’s to replace the 787’s they cancelled last year


User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2170 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7687 times:

Quoting ChazPilot (Reply 12):


Awww...see what happens when we all play together nicely (against the EU Carbon Tax Scheme)?

Yap - an undemocratic and oppressive regime puts pressure on fellow democratic powers, you guys assist them and give yourself a major pat on the back for it.   Nice work. Next time China bullies the U.S. (and that time will come), will you look the EU's way for help?


My take on the matter: China bought 777's because they need them. The timing may have been "adjusted" to make ETS look like the culprit, but I don't buy into it. Ignore and continue.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31437 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5546 times:
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China does not make snap purchasing decisions. You can be 110% positive this decision was made well before the CTS brouhaha went public and would have happened even if there was no CTS brouhaha.

Boeing knows they have hundreds of pending 777 orders, which is why they are increasing the production rate so significantly. Albaugh's trip was planned well in advance and part of that trip was going to be the announcement made.

[Edited 2012-03-15 09:54:58]

User currently offlinephishphan70 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5491 times:

Quoting ozglobal (Reply 9):
Americans, make up your mind. Is it political only (no credit to Boeing) or is it on 777's merit (no thanks to ETS)?

Acquiescing to a bully is never a good policy.


So am I being too "American" by looking at the situation and seeing two contributing factors? It's not ONLY political and it's not ONLY merit. No question, the 777 has a proven track record and could garner orders without any outside help. Yet, there is an outside factor playing into this and Boeing is pouncing on the opportunity.
So I'll respond to your comment to my countrymen and say, "French Guy, OPEN up your mind. There's usually more than one factor playing into ANY given situation."


User currently onlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 734 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5470 times:

Quoting Daysleeper (Reply 19):
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/boe...ped-787s-order-for-737s-2011-10-18

The order was swapped for 737's, not cancelled. Yes they ordered 330's as a replacement but B didn't lose that much from the swap. With the resistance going on with the EU and China, those orders may be postponed or cancelled. I doubt they would need all of these 777's and the 330's they ordered after they swapped them for 737's. We'll find out in the next couple of weeks.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5414 times:

Quoting ozglobal (Reply 9):
Americans, make up your mind. Is it political only (no credit to Boeing) or is it on 777's merit (no thanks to ETS)?

It's blatantly obvious China orders based on the political wind. Just look at any of the CAAC airlines' fleets; they all have one of everything. That is not economically motivated fleet planning, at least not with airline economics.



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25 Daysleeper : I wasn’t really on about how much Boeing has gained or lost in financial terms, just speculating as to the reason behind the order. Which looks to
26 Post contains images Stitch : A 777-300ER is a pretty big step up from a 787-8 or A330-200, so I don't really see this order as being a retaliatory one against the EU. Now if China
27 Post contains links Hamlet69 : Other than timing, this has nothing to do with the ETS spat between China and the EU. Aircraft deals of this nature do not just happen overnight. The
28 Post contains links rotating14 : http://www.marketwatch.com/story/chi...r-10-airbus-jets-report-2012-03-15 It looks like the tug of war is leaning towards the Chinese
29 Hamlet69 : There is another thread (albeit VERY OT by now) running on the EU/China spat, with Airbus unfortunately caught in the middle. Let's try and keep this
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