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EK Announces New Service To IAD  
User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 925 posts, RR: 3
Posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 19808 times:

Emirates has announced a new service effective September 12th from DXB-IAD.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/emirat...aunch-washington-dc-120000601.html


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User currently offlineual777uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 19789 times:

Wow. So it is IAD. I personally thought ORD or MIA would be first but they are going head to head with UA and to a degree QR.

Interesting to see how all this plays out.


User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 19734 times:

So the Oman Times was right on that one.

One down one more to go this year. ORD next?


User currently offlineChrisba777er From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 19729 times:

What are they using? 77W I guess?


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4751 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 19700 times:

I hope people working in Etihad Airways realize that this announcement by Emirates is purposely done due to a major goof up by Etihad as you do not announce a new long haul route such as AUH-IAD one year in advance thus giving your direct competition such as EK/TK/QR to plan what actions are required to counter the EY entry into the market in terms of frequency/capacity increase.

Emirates is now launching IAD a full 6 months before Etihad does thus giving them ample lead time to get corporate/consolidator contracts in place and take away a good chunk of the market from EY!

The EK IAD schedule is similar to its DFW service! Starting September 12th, EK 231 will leave Dubai daily at 2:20 am and arrive at Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD) at 8:50 am. EK 232 will depart Dulles at 10:55 am arriving in Dubai at 8:00 am the following day.


User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 19668 times:

Quoting Chrisba777er (Reply 3):

What are they using? 77W I guess?

Yes, 77W with 8P, 42J and 304Y

EK231 DXB 02:20 IAD 08:50
EK232 IAD 10:55 DXB 08:00+1

[Edited 2012-03-15 05:28:58]

User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 750 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 19542 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 4):
I hope people working in Etihad Airways realize that this announcement by Emirates is purposely done due to a major goof up by Etihad as you do not announce a new long haul route such as AUH-IAD one year in advance thus giving your direct competition such as EK/TK/QR to plan what actions are required to counter the EY entry into the market in terms of frequency/capacity increase.

Emirates is now launching IAD a full 6 months before Etihad does thus giving them ample lead time to get corporate/consolidator contracts in place and take away a good chunk of the market from EY!

  

Quoting behramjee (Reply 4):
The EK IAD schedule is similar to its DFW service! Starting September 12th, EK 231 will leave Dubai daily at 2:20 am and arrive at Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD) at 8:50 am. EK 232 will depart Dulles at 10:55 am arriving in Dubai at 8:00 am the following day.

That gives a nice choice of times to passengers. The UA flight leaves IAD after 1800.



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User currently offlinegabrielz From United States of America, joined May 2004, 74 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 19534 times:

This is going to be EK's Waterloo. I predict the route never makes money and is abandoned within 24 months.

DC isn't a big market, and without government business (which requires a US codeshare) it's a very very small market. UA's hub at IAD is really hard to crack because of the government business, and EK doesn't have what it takes.

Plus with the new hard product and enhanced mileage plus, I'd say EK's product advantage has shrunk substantially against an invigorated (and cash-rich) UA.

I'm guessing there will be some sweet deals on tickets for the next year though.  

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User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4751 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 19445 times:

Quoting gabrielz (Reply 7):
This is going to be EK's Waterloo. I predict the route never makes money and is abandoned within 24 months.

DC isn't a big market, and without government business (which requires a US codeshare) it's a very very small market. UA's hub at IAD is really hard to crack because of the government business, and EK doesn't have what it takes.

Plus with the new hard product and enhanced mileage plus, I'd say EK's product advantage has shrunk substantially against an invigorated (and cash-rich) UA.

I'm guessing there will be some sweet deals on tickets for the next year though.

your above statements are not relevant to Emirates at all but rather to Etihad as EK does not need government traffic support help from IAD as they will get a lot of high yielding business traffic from Africa, DXB, Saudi Arabia, India, DAC and CMB on board their IAD service as well as a lot of VFR economy class traffic from these markets as well. IAD-Africa. This IAD schedule of EK is perfect for 2 way connections via DXB to ADD/JNB/NBO all of which high volume markets from Washington DC. Plus note that EK's flight from IAD to BGW/BSR (massive yield) is connected nicely with a short transit in DXB!


User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 19429 times:

Where are they likely to get transit pax through to? India? Africa? Surely flying westward from IAD to East Asia (where most US carriers already have a decent route network) is preferable to via DXB?

I suppose the EK phenomenon is relatively "new" to the US and it might sucker-punch a few people flying to East Asia via DXB.

anyhow, carry on   


User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 19225 times:

I don't know what type of deals and contracts EY has already worked out with IAD businesses and partners, but if they alone can't pay for most of the flight, they might as well nip this inevitable economic failure in the bud and withdraw from IAD before ever commencing operations there.

I wouldn't mind seeing them redeploy the gorgeous A345 to AUH-MEX, or something creative like AUH-MAO-LIM. Alas, this is not going to happen.



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8282 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 18890 times:
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So who is next ? Miami, Chicago or Boston ?

User currently offlinerogercamel From Singapore, joined Feb 2012, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 18755 times:

Quoting tayser (Reply 9):
Where are they likely to get transit pax through to? India? Africa? Surely flying westward from IAD to East Asia (where most US carriers already have a decent route network) is preferable to via DXB?

Africa primarily. EK has a pretty extensive network to Africa (from memory about 20 destinations, though I could be well wrong)

Flying to East Asia it is generally better to go west, unless you are heading down to SE Asia (e.g. SIN KUL CGK etc) when it becomes almost equal in terms of flight time.


User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 18515 times:

Quoting gabrielz (Reply 7):
DC isn't a big market, and without government business (which requires a US codeshare) it's a very very small market. UA's hub at IAD is really hard to crack because of the government business, and EK doesn't have what it takes

This is unfair. QR does well here, AF does GREAT here, ditto for BA, LH, etc. It's a large, wealthy market with extensive global contacts. More importantly, Emirates had to arrive here sooner or later for various prestige reasons.


User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4751 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 18488 times:

Where EK will succeed in IAD is getting Africa and India bound traffic versus EY who cannot capture this type of traffic because their flights do not connect via AUH to NBO/JNB and they use A320s to India so huge capacity bottleneck situation.

IAD-Africa is huge volume i.e. IAD-ADD alone is bigger than IAD-PAK + IAD-CMB + IAD-DAC combined together. Plus also note that with the SPA with Fly Dubai, EK will capture a lot of traffic bound to Central Asia and Kabul on board its flights.

Africa-IAD market size in 2011 was:

ADD 60,000
JNB 40,000
NBO 40,000
CAI 30,000
LOS 20,000
CPT 15,000
KRT 10,000
DAR 10,000

Also note in 2011, 60,000 pax flew DXB-IAD-DXB alone so with EK nonstop service there shall be market stimulation for sure.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17343 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 18210 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 8):
This IAD schedule of EK is perfect for 2 way connections via DXB to ADD/JNB/NBO all of which high volume markets from Washington DC. Plus note that EK's flight from IAD to BGW/BSR (massive yield) is connected nicely with a short transit in DXB!

These are already better served by TK, ET, among others. EK will be competing with them.

Quoting rogercamel (Reply 12):
Africa primarily. EK has a pretty extensive network to Africa (from memory about 20 destinations, though I could be well wrong)
Quoting behramjee (Reply 14):
Africa-IAD market size in 2011 was:

Why would the WAS market go out if its way to get to Africa when there are already plenty of more competitive options?

Quoting behramjee (Reply 14):
IAD-ADD alone is bigger than

It has an ET nonstop that isn't even full  



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User currently offlineflyyul From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 18170 times:

so I guess Qatar is going to suffer big-time on IAD-DOH

User currently offlinehhslax2 From Bahrain, joined Jan 2012, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 18177 times:

Quoting gabrielz (Reply 7):

Don't forget that the average American does not fit in the 10 abreast Y seats. I'm 5'9" about 175 and I don't fit in them.


User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 17661 times:

Rather than arguing on schedules/market catchment alone - never forget EK's marketing prowess!


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User currently offlineual777uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 17628 times:

Quoting hhslax2 (Reply 17):
Don't forget that the average American does not fit in the 10 abreast Y seats. I'm 5'9" about 175 and I don't fit in them.

If UA felt the need they ccould market that to ther advantage..........maybe?


User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4751 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 17517 times:

Quoting flyyul (Reply 16):
so I guess Qatar is going to suffer big-time on IAD-DOH

no QR wont suffer "big time" with EK entering because QR has UA's feeder support at IAD which EK does not and that is massive. Plus EKs IAD flights do not connect ISB/KTM and LHE in either direction so that will help QR quite a bit along with its extensive Iran network.

QR already has a well established presence at IAD and wont be hurt as much as EY shall be as AA lacks adequate feed at IAD with the planned schedule of EY.

EY is better off using the A345 to DFW compared to IAD!


User currently offlinesolarflyer22 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Nov 2009, 984 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 17316 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 4):

I hope people working in Etihad Airways realize that this announcement by Emirates is purposely done due to a major goof up by Etihad as you do not announce a new long haul route such as AUH-IAD one year in advance thus giving your direct competition such as EK/TK/QR to plan what actions are required to counter the EY entry into the market in terms of frequency/capacity increase.

I really don't know why EY did that and I think they'd be the big loser in this market.

Emirates is now launching IAD a full 6 months before Etihad does thus giving them ample lead time to get corporate/consolidator contracts in place and take away a good chunk of the market from EY!

The EK IAD schedule is similar to its DFW service! Starting September 12th, EK 231 will leave Dubai daily at 2:20 am and arrive at Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD) at 8:50 am. EK 232 will depart Dulles at 10:55 am arriving in Dubai at 8:00 am the following day.

That's great. Let's hope for some cheap fares. Someone definitely needs to start a long haul from ORD. Royal Jordianian was there but there are a lot of Indians descendants in the Chicago area that I am sure fly eastward once a year.


User currently onlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4497 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 17119 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 11):
So who is next ? Miami, Chicago or Boston ?
Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 21):
Someone definitely needs to start a long haul from ORD

I am pretty sure that EK will also announce ORD for 2012. It may even start before IAD. The sudden IAD announcement was provoked by EY's reckless announcement of AUH IAD. ORD had been planned to be launched first at EK, and it will likely still happen. I also predict that MIA and BOS will follow in 2013.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 20):
QR already has a well established presence at IAD

IAD is arguably QR's best performing North American route and it had been earmarked for A380 deployment. The arrival of both EK and EY at IAD may change plans in that regard, but QR will likely continue to do well at IAD.


User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 17089 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 22):
IAD is arguably QR's best performing North American route and it had been earmarked for A380 deployment.

Indeed. I've seen passengers flying United IAD-JFK to connect to QR at JFK (to then go on to India via Doha). I could only imagine they were booked like this because QR's IAD-Doha flight was full...


User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 16982 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 22):
IAD is arguably QR's best performing North American route and it had been earmarked for A380 deployment. The arrival of both EK and EY at IAD may change plans in that regard, but QR will likely continue to do well at IAD.

That is really interesting. If memory serves me correctly, didnt IAD-DOH start out a very, very weak performer?


25 chopchop767 : Especially, out of IAD, UA surely benefits from the Fly American Act. Now, obviously, not all, not even a majority of traffic out of IAD is Gov't tra
26 globalflyer : Interesting as EK have been to ATL to recruit for pilots. Could be just a road trip across the USA? ATL would break DL's monopoly and I hear it is one
27 jfk777 : That is the US Government Business, what about the business of the government of teh UAE ? Emirates will carry that traffic. With all the expanding c
28 LAXdude1023 : I doubt both carries could co-exist on that route.
29 Quokkas : In the interests of reducing speculation, Emirates regularly conduct seminars and recruitment drives in various cities around the world. This does not
30 Post contains images ASA : Indeed! All the speculation in the last thread finally gave this! I remember one poster in the last thread mentioned that EK had employment positions
31 klwright69 : Actually, the capital of the UAE is Abu Dhabi, not Dubai. The US embassy in AUH is only about a 20 minute drive from AUH airport also.[Edited 2012-03
32 mcogator : That's odd. I'm 6'5 245lbs and I fit in them. It's not terribly comfortable, but I fit.
33 Post contains images Quokkas : You may want to tell Obama that. Clearly you meant UAE.
34 CO787EWR : What is custom about them?
35 C680 : Falling on Sword: I said this was the last place they would start service based upon UA 2x, EY, SV, QR, SA, ET service to the Mid East / Africa from
36 mogandoCI : DXB is only 72mi away from AUH ... it's not LGA/JFK close, but it's a reasonable alternative airport even for pax bound for Abu Dhabi. Just about the
37 klwright69 : Exactly... They don't care about the competition. They are a monstrosity in their own right.
38 MAV88 : Which airline and/or routes do you think will ultimately fail on IAD-Middle East? It seems like a ton of lift to have daily IAD-DXB on EK, daily IAD-D
39 chopchop767 : I don't think any of these will necessarily fail. I just went through Dulles customs on Tuesday and noticed that there were two huge tour groups who,
40 something : But how much UAE gov't traffic is there really? I am to this day flabbergasted as to how the USA has not yet gone bankrupt yet. They let everybody fl
41 Quokkas : If passengers are doing what might be described as a "holy lands tour", options via DXB are probably not that attractive from the US due to the need
42 something : No, there is a lot of cooperating airlines and airlines they are not allowed to fly on (like Azerbaijan Airlines for instance). But I would assume th
43 klwright69 : Of course...But given that there will be nonstops to AUH from IAD, AUH is more convenient than DXB no matter how you slice it when we are talking abo
44 ASA : Sorry, wrong choice of words. I didn't mean a Boeing custom job on the aircraft mechanics ... just 'customized' for their high-frequency and business
45 contrails67 : I'm glad that EK has arrived at IAD and am looking forward to EY as well since my only experience traveling from IAD has been on QR. Taking into accou
46 IrishAyes : These operate as a consolidated flight: IAD-KWI-BAH.
47 aviationbuff08 : Well I say let EK work on expanding their USA market share in IAD, ORD, MIA, SEA, IAH and leave DL's route DXB alone. I have wondered to myself how D
48 yellowtail : SEA loads are poor?
49 Post contains images ASA : Don't shoot the messenger ... ... that's the gist I got from this thread and the previous. Can anyone share some details? Thanks![Edited 2012-03-15 1
50 washingtonian : UA operates IAD-DXB-DOH, and IAD-KWI-BAH. I think there is room for everybody. It might seem like a lot, but it's a small fraction of the overall num
51 swedenflyer : I'm looking forward to this route! However, my parents probably can't afford the cheapest economy class seat.
52 LAXdude1023 : You think this one route is going to make EK go under? You do realize Waterloo wasnt a set back for Napolean, Waterloo was the end of the road for Na
53 kq747 : I wholly agree with LAXdude1023. I cant think of a day when I would pick UA over EK and I think there are a lot of people out there who would given th
54 airbazar : That's pointless to EK. Do you think they got to where they are today by selling discounted tickets to government officials? Lower fares and better s
55 Post contains links yeogeo : You're both half-right: 6251nm IADº-ADDº ‡ Ethiopian ˇ 77Lx4[5] ‡ 6251nm ET operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: (ET 500) ADD-FCO-IAD W
56 Post contains links delta2ual : While I'm not disputing this fact, it seems my hometown of Detroit would have had EK service by now. According to the Arab-American Institute, Michig
57 wedgetail737 : EK's timing into SEA is not too terribly impeccable...this time of year is really not the best time of year for Seattle tourism. But EK is not going
58 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Discounted tickets to Indians It's less circuitous from Europe to East Africa. It's nonstop in one direction, tech stop in the other. It's more expen
59 Post contains images point2point : I didn't know anyone even mentioned DEN on this thread. But now that it's brought up, it is, after all, the 10th busiest airport in the world.
60 L101fan : I flew QR from IAD-DOH-KTM and will return next week. The flight from IAD was almost completely full. It was a very good flight. With QR expanding the
61 ojas : That's not true. It seems someone at the top management in Etihad Airways got an inkling EK is starting IAD and just to "outsmart" EK EY made a prema
62 Pbb152 : They are already using the 77L to SEA. They only used the 77W for the first 3 days of service. The route reverted to a 77L after that.
63 Post contains images cmf : Distance in UAE is not measured in miles, nor km. It is measured in timetime. The first time is time of day. It will give you the second time, the ti
64 catiii : They definitely could. DL isn't carrying much O/D traffic from ATL, however they're maximizing the hub to connect traffic from all over the network t
65 RyanairGuru : I think that is very true. Even Emirates couldn't wake up one day and decide to fly a route. This has probably been in the works for a while and EY d
66 MAH4546 : Two primary rasons I believe EK is missing from Detroit: 1) it involves backtracking to get to where they want to go, which is largely Amman and Beir
67 klwright69 : You're right, it was brought up on the other thread about a possibly new EK city. My bad. Yes, but it's a very busy airport that's not even ready for
68 boeing773W : Surely there would be more traffic for IAD than SEA, so I would say if one of these destinations was EK's Waterloo, it is much more likely for it to
69 behramjee : I was refering to the fact that EKs IAD launch date is 6 months before EY which is mainly done to get ahead in the IAD local market before EY even la
70 RyanairGuru : But what behramjee is suggesting (and what seems to be a more likely scenario) is that EK were planning to announce IAD, and then EY caught wind of i
71 boeing773W : Whether EK decided to spoil EY's party, or the other way around wouldn't make a difference anyway. There are plenty of cities that both EK and EY (and
72 ual777uk : There is talk on here that SEA is to quite where EK wants it at the moment. Can i ask, has EK actually ever pulled out of a market? I dont mean downgu
73 leftyboarder : That doubles the distance from 4900nm direct to 9300nm via Dubai. What next? London via Dubai?
74 RyanairGuru : I guess HAJ-JFK doesn't count since they continued to serve both cities. The only others which come to mind are the likes of Tripoli, but for very ob
75 FAGC : I know they withdrew from Baku and Comoros many years ago
76 Post contains images gabrielz : Washingtonian et al: The issue isn't that DC is purely a government market at all - to your point it is a wealthy (albeit small) MSA with a diverse s
77 MAV88 : I don't buy the argument that some are making that government related traffic to/from D.C. does not make up a large portion of the business travel. Be
78 washingtonian : It depends how you define it. A large portion of the business travel to DC probably is "government related", but it doesn't mean that it's mid-level
79 MAV88 : Take the capitol out of D.C. and what do you have?
80 sq_ek_freak : EK does provide accommodation for a layover that long, plus transfer to the hotel and back to the airport, and meal vouchers for dining at the hotel.
81 hohd : In addition to EY, UA will also feel the heat. Lots of UA pax connect at DXB ironically with EK. They would come to an end. The Govt traffic alone is
82 Post contains links jfidler : You have all the other industries. According to the Greater Washington Board of Trade, only 11% of the area workforce is directly employed by the fed
83 washingtonian : This is a ridiculous analogy. It's like saying "Take Wall Street out of NYC, and what do you have?". The fact of the matter is that Washington, DC is
84 MAV88 : I never said that this air service from EK to IAD was due to government traffic. Nor did I ever say that an airline makes their choice to fly to D.C.
85 leftyboarder : With so many on order, will there be many stations they won't?
86 jfidler : Personally, I'd love to see another A380 at IAD (it's just AF at the moment). However, if you look at their press release announcing IAD service (fir
87 Post contains links C680 : DC is the #7 MSA in the country - what criteria do you use to consider that a "small" MSA? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_o...tes_Metropolitan_St
88 FlyPNS1 : And if you throw in Baltimore (which is reasonable when evaluating international air travel), the DC area is the 4th largest combined statistical are
89 flytuitravel : They also pulled out of AUH according to wikipedia..
90 Post contains links Quokkas : Be aware that this service needs to be pre-booked at least 24hrs in advance of departure and is subject to class of travel i.e. booking class U, B, M
91 lightsaber : I'm with C680 in that I'm eating crow. The poster who noted the hiring is to be commended. What was I doing ratioalizing against such a fact. How are
92 IndianicWorld : Nagoya was mainly used as way into the Japanese arket from memory, prior to gaining further rights. SGN is now part of a growing market, so they were
93 Post contains images Schweigend : Kathmandu? What a thrill (I'm jealous)! I think EK serves KTM too, but not AF. This is an important concept to understand: for US carriers DXB is bas
94 Quokkas : No, think again. The sector between DXB and KTM is with FZ which, despite being a Dubai owned company is not actually part of the Emirates Group.
95 Post contains images airbazar : Not all Middle Easterns are Arabs. Just saying Well there are a lot more Indians than DC government officials Circuitous compared to what? Most of th
96 malioil : On my frequent UA BAH-KWI-IAD runs, the flights were full in First Class and Y (about 60% in J), but the thing about that is they were government cont
97 N93109 : I want to add that the Washington/Baltimore region is also the wealthiest of the metro areas on the country with nearly 9M people according to the 201
98 MaverickM11 : EK carries fairly little traffic from North America to Africa. In fact it carries more traffic to HYD than all of Africa combined. I highly doubt IB's
99 MAH4546 : EK's share of MADJNB is tiny. It averages less than 60 passengers a month between Madrid and Jo'Burg. EK is a great airline, but it's not so amazing
100 airbazar : They only serve 1 city in the East coast, where the bulk of the Africa traffic originates. You just wait until they start developing other East Coast
101 lightsaber : Am I the only one who thinks EK is trying to keep QR/EY from growing/gaining first mover advantage at IAD. The mid-east is a fast growing market, so I
102 UALWN : EK doesn't serve BCN yet, They will start on July 3rd.
103 MaverickM11 : Not likely. The fact remains EK has to fly them a good 1000+ miles further than European/African carriers in order to connect North America and East
104 MAH4546 : No, EK does not serve Barcelona yet. Because MADDXBJNB is 49.2% longer than MADJNB. The difference via LHR is less, but travellers tend to prefer one
105 lightsaber : This part I understand. However, prior you commented this would be EK's Waterloo. EK growth won't halt if one city doesn't pan out (as implied by a "
106 miaintl : Is MIA truly on EK's radar or are we just assuming that EK will serve MIA? I don't remember reading about EK officials coming to MIA and scouting the
107 Post contains images airbazar : It adds up because EK's operating costs a lot lower than those of the legacy carriers in Europe. If you can get it. I've seen fares as high as $2000.
108 MAH4546 : Yes, MIA really is in Emirates radar and EK itself has said so itself, do a Google search. And Miami doesn't have "little traffic"'to India. It actua
109 MAH4546 : Ever heard of something called market stimulation? EK will significantly stimulate from Lisbon to Asia. Emirates won't grab a significant share of Li
110 miaintl : If any Mid-east carrier does end up serving MIA then its TK. Dont forget that the Indian population in the MIA metro is not very high-yielding so i d
111 MAH4546 : No, it's not! It's approaching 50,000, and that's just based on Census estimates. The actual community is even larger. And that's just Miami - Emirat
112 miaintl : 50,000 is not a large population. Plus DXB is mostly a connecting point to India, so the Philippines does not factor into this. MIA-India is still a
113 MAH4546 : Yes, it is. It makes it among the largest in the country and it's larger than Miami's Bolivian or Mexican communities, among others. And Dubai absolu
114 washingtonian : Not really. I'd bet it's probably not even in the top ten of American cities/metropolitan areas.
115 miaintl : I would like to see the sources you cite with regards to the Philippines. If MIA wants to tap into that market there best bet is to go with an East A
116 MAV88 : Based off the 2010 census, it's not. It sits at #12 I think. Are the any significant business ties between South Florida and India?
117 MAH4546 : Fourteenth largest, making it one of the largest in the country. Nigel Page spoke about it while attending a tourism/airline event at the Wyndham in
118 Post contains images airbazar : I never said they would grab a significant share of the market. My exact words used were "a share" and "a portion". We'll know for sure when TP reduc
119 MAH4546 : Of course you can separate it, especially when we are talking about EK's ability to capture Lisbon-Africa.
120 MaverickM11 : Have you looked at a map? They'll have to do it at the going market fare, which while perhaps decent for EU carriers will be much lower yield for EK
121 ojas : The Indian community in MIA or any other city which EK wishes to start does play an important role in planning to start a flight, however the priority
122 Post contains images airbazar : I was born and raised there. I think I'm familiar with it Maybe traffic originating outside of Portugal because there aren't a lot of people left in
123 miaintl : And I have reasons to believe that the Indian-community in Miami is low-yielding which is why MIA is not on EK's radar. The fact that I cannot find a
124 ASFlyer : I'm just curious, with all the talk of the importance of the Phillipine market and the Indian market to Emirates, how is SEA not performing well but
125 Post contains links david_itl : one article another article and this one includes "it's a very important market for us, particularly with the cruise lines being based here."
126 MAH4546 : Seattle is on the west coast and Miami is on the east coast. That makes all the difference with regards to capturing Philpine traffic in this case.
127 EY460 : I know that a lot people are suggesting MIA as EK destination, but I have another idea, Fort Lauderdale. I'll now explain why: 1) With an interlining
128 MaverickM11 : MNL yield from just about anywhere, but particularly South Florida is terrible
129 LAXdude1023 : Im sure MIA will one day land EK, but I doubt if it will have anything to do with the Filipino traffic to MIA. The yields are some of the lowest in t
130 Post contains images sq_ek_freak : Yes, what Quokkas said too thank you for adding the information! Also, unfortunately, no I was not the crew who worked the MAD flight you were on...I
131 miaintl : Thanks for the links but they seem a little dated, you sure MIA has not fallen off the radar since then?
132 HB-IWC : It has not and EK will likely be flying to Chicago, Boston and Miami by the end of 2013. Also, a third daily New York flight could well be in the car
133 MAH4546 : Absolutely, but it helps fill Y. Contracts with cruise companies in particular to get employees over can be negotiated at low fares, but still at ter
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