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American's CEO: Airline Is NOT Opposed To A Merger  
User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 649 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 19902 times:

This was just published ... it appears that AA is not as opposed to a merger as previously thought! The article link follows: http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...ome-point-20120315,0,7935730.story

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User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2272 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 19792 times:

hmmm, first the internet domain thread about the US/AA websites....and now this. I think its pretty clear something is up, and really it should be. They cant ignore what's happened with DL and UA, and if they want to keep up with those two a merger and refreshening of its product are probably going to be forthcoming. AA's and US's route maps are very complimentary and would plug each others gaps (ie. CLT in the SE for AA, DFW/ORD in the midwest for US). It would also be a strong carrier in the NE with PHL/DCA to challenge UA at EWR and a growing DL at LGA. I realize they already have JFK but that is nowhere near as big as what UA has at EWR. PHL would give them a true NE domestic hub. Out west remains to be seen, but if they do it right they could utilize PHX for intermountain west/west coast domestic connections like DL does at SLC and LAX for international connections (like they do at JFK). LAX is not really ideal for domestic connections, its cramped and crowded and doesnt have a lot lot of amenties that PHX could provide.

User currently offlinetonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1014 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 19703 times:

I just hope it would be AA brand and not US   I think CLT would be great for AA.

Would AA+US be bigger than United?


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 19633 times:

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 2):
Would AA+US be bigger than United?

Slightly I think...at least until AA started dismantling hubs.   



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User currently offlineusdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 950 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 19535 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 3):
at least until AA started dismantling hubs

'Later, Chicago...


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2978 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 19458 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 3):
Slightly I think...at least until AA started dismantling hubs.

No need to duck. That's exactly what would happen. That is of course after the CEO states, "We have no plans to dismantle any hubs...".


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32603 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 19274 times:

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 4):

Quoting United1 (Reply 3):
at least until AA started dismantling hubs

'Later, Chicago...


Hubs would be dismantled. None of them would be AA's current hubs.

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 2):

I just hope it would be AA brand and not US   I think CLT would be great for AA.

Would AA+US be bigger than United?


It would absolutely be the AA brand. The real problem, though, is if US brought their "customer last" philosophy and transposed it onto AADvantage, elite benefits and premium cabin services. That would really suck.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11208 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 19213 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
It would absolutely be the AA brand. The real problem, though, is if US brought their "customer last" philosophy and transposed it onto AADvantage, elite benefits and premium cabin services. That would really suck.

I'm sorry, but this sounds like someone who doesn't actually fly US.

I know how popular it is to rag on them, but many of us quite enjoy them.



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User currently offlinewestern727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 743 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 19175 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):

I agree - AA would be the surviving name. Now that you assert no AA hubs would be lost, which US hubs would be lost?

PHL
PHX
CLT



Jack @ AUS
User currently offlineStratacruiser From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 19110 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
I'm sorry, but this sounds like someone who doesn't actually fly US.

I know how popular it is to rag on them, but many of us quite enjoy them.

I fly UA code shares operated by US pretty frequently, and apart from Economy Plus seating offered on PMUA, don't find much difference between the two carriers.

Dave


User currently offlineAS739BSI From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 19008 times:

I doubt they would dehub PHL given the location. You would still need CLT and I am not sure if AA with US could win more turf at LAX to where PHX would become obsolete.

User currently offlineusdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 950 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 18828 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):


Hubs would be dismantled. None of them would be AA's current hubs.

Are you saying US would cut PHL over ORD? Why would they? They're the only game in town.


User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2272 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 18676 times:

PHX could be the only one I see having issues (some of its flows are duplicated amongst DFW/LAX) I think it would be foolish to dismantle any other hubs (CLT/DCA/PHL). CLT would give AA a gateway to the SE to compete against Delta and bring in many new cities. Its also a fortress hub that serves the nations 2nd largest banking center and the area is growing tremndously. As would PHL do for the NE. It would bring alot of markets into the AA network from New England/NY etc where they are weak. DCA would give AA a hub at one of the premier airports in the country that handles alot of premium traffic.

User currently offlineCoronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1168 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 18657 times:
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If Mr. Horton were to say that he is opposed to any merger, he would be shown the door by AA's new owners (i.e. creditors) in no time flat. He is serving at the mercy of the creditor's committee though the b/k judge. If a reasonable number of the creditors were to object to a CEO who is unwilling to entertain ANY and ALL means to minimize the losses to the creditors, they will find someone who is looking out for their own (i.e. the creditors) interest.


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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 18589 times:

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 11):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):


Hubs would be dismantled. None of them would be AA's current hubs.

Are you saying US would cut PHL over ORD? Why would they? They're the only game in town.

Yup, instead of keeping 3 winners (CLT #1 monopoly, PHL #1, PHX strong #2), he's in favor of keeping LAX (stagnant #2), ORD (#2 under attack from above and below) and NYC (distant #4).


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8893 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 18421 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 14):
PHX strong #2)

US is a larger carrier than WN at PHX, in terms of flights and (I am pretty sure of this) passengers carried.

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):

I'm sorry, but this sounds like someone who doesn't actually fly US.

I know how popular it is to rag on them, but many of us quite enjoy them.

AAdvantage is a far more friendly FFP than Dividend Miles if you are a top tier. Stickers can be annoying if you don't fly 100k/yr, but at the top tier ExPlat absolutely blows Chairman's Preferred out of the water - the only place that US wins in my book is that you can upgrade on award tickets as a CP.


User currently offlineAAIL86 From Finland, joined Feb 2011, 408 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 18317 times:

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 4):
'Later, Chicago...

AA would be unable to compete for east-west traffic with just DFW. What should they do, close ORD and reopen STL?? None of US' hubs could potentially substitute for ORD, either. This isn't a case of a DFW hub being expendable for a restructuring Delta.... it's a matter of survival for AA. With equivalent costs to the other majors, AA can do just fine in Chicago.

Quoting western727 (Reply 8):
ow that you assert no AA hubs would be lost, which US hubs would be lost?

Phoenix might be out in that scenario. Of course, given how WN may struggle to compete in the future with higher costs and no hedges, who knows...

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
'm sorry, but this sounds like someone who doesn't actually fly US.

I know how popular it is to rag on them, but many of us quite enjoy them.

Agreed. US has really gotten their outfit together in the last five years.... especially from an operational standpoint. Customer service wise- I think the jury is still out.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
The real problem, though, is if US brought their "customer last" philosophy and transposed it onto AADvantage, elite benefits and premium cabin services. That would really suck.

I won't rag on US's staff too much because I haven't flown them much- but I agree that dumbing down the Advantage program to the level of the others is a bad idea.



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User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4273 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 18237 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 14):
Yup, instead of keeping 3 winners (CLT #1 monopoly, PHL #1, PHX strong #2), he's in favor of keeping LAX (stagnant #2), ORD (#2 under attack from above and below) and NYC (distant #4).

At the outset I'm going to say I still don't think AA and US are merging. But it they were to merge, here is my response.

In general, I'd rather be #1 at DFW and MIA, #2 at ORD and LAX and a relatively strong #4 in NYC than #1 in CLT and PHL and a so-so #2 in PHX. When you have a strong brand, strong loyalty and a top position in the major business markets you don't give it up willingly. NYC, CHI, LAX, DFW and MIA are all top business markets. The only four missing from this list are HOU, WAS, SFO and ATL. US is not strong in the markets that account for the most business. AA is. If I'm building a business, a product or an image I'm going with the major business markets that and rebuilding around them. If the other company also has solid assets that contribute positively to the bottom line and don't siphon profits or passengers from the core markets, I will add those assets.

With that in mind, CLT is a net gain: complementary position, solid, profitable and with good banking connections. Also a monopolistic position. Known high reward, no risk, no brainer. PHL can be a solid complementary hub in many respects, although it is the city I am least familiar with. Because of that, I won't say anything other than I have no idea where it would stand. PHX is a weak link, in my opinion. They may be a strong 2, but being a strong 2 in a middle of the road business market doesn't equal a strong operation. I also question how you can say US is a strong 2 at PHX but AA is a #2 "under attack from above and below" at ORD. US is in the same situation: WN is still the boss and Allegiant is growing fast out at AZA, siphoning business away from PHX. I would much rather be #2 at ORD or LAX than #2 at PHX. I don't see that PHX brings many network benefits to the combined airline.

It isn't always about market share, either: you can dominate a hub in GSO but just because you have a virtual monopoly there doesn't mean it is a good business decision or that you'll be making money.

Texan



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User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1258 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 18221 times:

I would hope AA would be the survivor of such a travesty although I think that either AS or B6 would be a better fit. I like AA and although I've heard horror stories I've never experienced any problems with them myself. US on the other hand, every flight seems to be a new low. The aircraft are usually nice but the crews and service only seem to get worse and worse. It's the only carrier I studiously avoid and I fly around 20 segments a month so I have to work at it. .
My personal preferences aside, I cant see how a US/AA combination could ever work. The fleets and networks may look pretty on paper but the labor situation would be an absolute nightmare. US still doesn't have their labor house in order from the last merger and AA's labor relations are just as bad. There is no way around that elephant lurking in the room.


User currently offlineblink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5480 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 18197 times:

I realize that US is always in the headlines for merger talks, but couldn't Horton very well refer to AS or B6?


Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 17989 times:

Regarding the hub situation in the west if AA / US merge, there is no easy solution.

AA has no room to expand at LAX. While they will soon have access to 4 additional gates at TBIT, AA has no where near the capacity at LAX that they would have at PHX, so LAX would always be a small hub for AA with little domestic connectivity.

On the other hand, while PHX has the room to handle 300+ flights and handle much more domestic connectivity than LAX, PHX lacks the international partners that fly to LAX and has a much smaller O&D.

Therefore, unless AA plans on keeping both LAX & PHX, a merger would result in a net decrease out west.

Quoting texan (Reply 17):
I also question how you can say US is a strong 2 at PHX but AA is a #2 "under attack from above and below" at ORD. US is in the same situation: WN is still the boss

US is not a strong number 2 at PHX, they are number 1. As of November, US had a 38% share versus 32% for WN. This excludes regionals. Once you add in regionals, US is around 47%.

Furthermore, WN is not as strong of an airline as it once was. Its costs are high when compared to other majors. In addition, PHX is somewhat redundant for WN now that they have substantially increased flying at DEN and have a large base at LAS. If a combined US/AA put up a battle against WN in PHX, I would not be surprised to see WN reduce flights out of PHX.


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 17989 times:

Quoting texan (Reply 17):
In general, I'd rather be #1 at DFW and MIA, #2 at ORD and LAX and a relatively strong #4 in NYC

I never knew how a #4 is still "relatively strong". AA has half the NYC volume of either UA or DL.

If #4 is considered strong, then I guess #2 in ORD must be "winning"


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32603 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 17897 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 21):
I never knew how a #4 is still "relatively strong". AA has half the NYC volume of either UA or DL.

It's relatively strong because it has a strong revenue position in the market and still is the leader in Manhattan corporate traffic. I don't even now how AA still does it, but it does.

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 11):
Are you saying US would cut PHL over ORD? Why would they? They're the only game in town.

I never said PHL would close. I see PHX shutting down slowly over time; PHL would lose focus as AA would become an even stronger number two at LaGuardia and then focus on moving PHL-secondary EU to JFK, where AA continues to hoard prime slots and has plenty of room to grow as its been smart about using slots to the minimum. But no reason to give up PHL otherwise, as the combined airline could dominate the O&D.

The real danger in the merge is two things:

1) US horrendous customer service, elite program and on board product, that I fear US management would attempt to force onto AA.

2) US near total inability to lure premium traffic outside of DCA/PHL/CLT means that it is constantly the low-fare carrier on city pairs up, down and throughout the country. Airline fares would skyrocket in so many markets and the consumer loses.

AA will be merging in 2-3 years, but I continue to assert the partner will be JetBlue, not US Airways. After AA emerges from BK, the cost structure will be there for a feasible merger of its networks.

[Edited 2012-03-15 19:35:16]


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User currently onlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 17855 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
Hubs would be dismantled. None of them would be AA's current hubs.

AA has the BEST hub structure of any airline in the US, period (DFW, MIA, ORD, LAX and NYC, come on!). Their bankruptcy has nothing to do with poor route management, but rather with high costs.

Once costs have gone down post-chapter 11, if an AA/US merger occurs I dare to say the only US hub standing would be CLT. PHX is weak as it is, PHL is too close to New York and AA would have a ton of extra slots at LGA.


User currently offlineAS739BSI From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 17700 times:

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 23):
PHL is too close to New York and AA would have a ton of extra slots at LGA.

Wern't some people saying that about IAD and EWR for the new UA and IAD and EWR are still fortress hubs with more emphasis on EWR? I think PHL and JFK would complement each other. Unless JFK is expanded, DL or AA/US can establish a true hub at JFK. PHL would still be needed and is wanted due to premium traffic and being #1 in PHL.


25 aeroblogger : I see you clearly haven't flown US recently... Their new Envoy product on TATL is incredible (it's the same one that AA decided to copy). The Elite p
26 USAirALB : I'm so glad people like to rant on about how bad US is! It is so much easier to upgrade to F on US than it is on DL/AA/UA, and I want to keep it that
27 D L X : I'm a Chairman on US. I beg to differ. US CP is purely stated one of the easiest ways to fly, and get upgraded. So, you're not going to defend the st
28 BOStonsox : If this does happen, I hope it doesn't until after 2013 when B6 takes over all of Terminal C at BOS. Then BOS would become a good-sized international
29 DeltaL1011man : Does anyone look at a map anymore? Heck AA would do this then Delta would cut SLC for ATL. smh. No room to grow. No room to grow. Ha, I'm sure you ha
30 MAH4546 : What exactly am I supposed to defend? The fact that US Airways actively sells, and therefore devalues, status to the public? The fact that US Airways
31 PHX787 : Yeah the exact reason why I hate airline mergers -__- IIRC, Sky Harbor is the 9th busiest in the country in terms of passengers? Correct me if I'm wr
32 Mcoov : AA has been faltering at both JFK and LGA since the 1990s, and the issue I see is both the foreign airlines (EK, LH, SX, SQ, etc., who provide superio
33 Concordski : If a theoretical merger were to happen, my biggest concern is the frequent flyer program. If the availability for redemption sways toward US then even
34 caliboy78 : I believe if this merger were to happen. Well more like when this merger happen. I see this as the outcome: PRIMARY HUBS MIA DFW ORD JFK (primary gate
35 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : Again, AA doesn't have the room to grow in LAX or JFK, much less the room to fit in PHX and PHL flights. Off peaks JFK slots are out there for a reaso
36 BMI727 : If there is too much new entrants will show up to fill the void. Everyone likes to bemoan how many legacies are now gone, but it isn't as though ther
37 D L X : Confirmed - you do not fly US because there is lots of misinformation here.
38 RyanairGuru : Those two would probably be the other way around, but the diplomatic language would no doubt suggest that they are equal. It makes sense to make the
39 AAIL86 : So are you saying US' domestic F is equal to everyone else? Exactly. Advantage is the best part of the American brand. And as much as many here think
40 STT757 : No, that would be UA: IAH, ORD (#1 carrier), DEN, EWR (#1 in NYC market), IAD, CLE, SFO, LAX, GUM I think AA would prefer that scenario, and B6 might
41 RyanairGuru : I'm going to add a caveat before I make this comment: I know that this is the only successful instance where this model has worked... BUT could AMR r
42 D L X : I'm saying I enjoy it. I don't fly other airlines very often in first, so I won't judge them. But I do know that the person to whom I was responding
43 drerx7 : Absolutely not...I would argue its probably the worst next to US... UAL and DL are better.
44 mogandoCI : Exactly .... AA is only #1 in 2 out of their 5 hub cities. (And they're #1 there because they're the only real game in town). UA ? #1 in all of them.
45 TOMMY767 : AA will have to merge with somebody. As of now, their business model is dead in the water. BK is the painful but necessary first step towards recovery
46 TWA1985 : I haven't flown first on US, but I can say, after looking at their website, that their first class meal service lacks. It states that a full meal is
47 TOMMY767 : AA's first class product must stay. Otherwise they risk many Plats and EXPs moving to other airlines. Then again, I could see Parker pulling a Smisek
48 STT757 : Lol, that must be why he decided to keep E+, Channel 9, the Headquarters in Chicago, the name "United" etc.. Seriously.
49 ual777uk : If AA have any sense they will slash F on the international fleet in half going forward, just like UA did on their 777s. They can then offer a much i
50 WA707atMSP : I agree 100%. If AA and B6 merge, AA would become the dominant airline at BOS, and would be at the same level as (if not superior to) DL and UA in NY
51 glbltrvlr : My thoughts as well. Then I started wondering - what if AA bought the lot and pulled another TWA? Keep the routes, gates and some of the metal. Absor
52 aztrainer : This is very interesting as I saw on the local news a press conference by Doug Parker on Monday or Tuesday and he keep on stating that he was not goin
53 mogandoCI : When's the last time, anywhere in the world, that a merger between a serious old-school legacy full service carrier and a fun/young/hip-image but com
54 superjeff : A year ago I would have agreed with you, but today, US's product hard product is arguably better than AA's, although AA's premium domestic soft produ
55 TOMMY767 : US doesn't even have LCD screens on their planes anymore. AA does. US makes money because they are kings of nickle and diming the customers and the p
56 AAIL86 : Well- we haven't established that AA will merge with anyone, let alone US. It's currently A.net fashionable to to think that in an AA/US transaction
57 superjeff : Actually, I disagree, because: 1. CLT is a business center in the SE, a good alternative to ATL for connections (and a heck of a lot easier to connec
58 superjeff : Their mainline fleet has at least 12 FC seats in each plane; some have 16 - Compare to UA's 319's with 8, and Delta's Airbii with 12 also. You're jus
59 superjeff : This is perhaps the first good argument I've seen in this thread so far. But US's flight attendants recently came to an agreement, and the pilots are
60 caliboy78 : Well AA doesn't have much room to grow in LAX, however with the gaining of 4 TBIT gates soon AA can reshuffle the use of all gates at T4 and maybe add
61 Chicagoflight : And of course as with past practice all work groups at the merger partner airline would end up at the bottom of the seniority lists after AA workers.
62 D L X : This gets stated frequently, but clearly US has done quite well with two pilot groups. Can someone explain in objective terms why it would be an impe
63 mogandoCI : Having hubs at DCA-PHL-LGA-JFK-BOS is a bit trying to be everything to everyone - 5 hubs/focus-cities within a 400miles stretch. And still nothing in
64 TOMMY767 : The problem is they aren't that bad but they aren't that good either. Try getting someone who doesn't live in the PHX, DCA, PHL, or CLT metro areas t
65 bobloblaw : Doug Parker who wil lbe the new AA ceo wont be dismantling any hubs, certainly not Chicago. US will strengthen AA's ORD presence by giving AA a stron
66 ckfred : Chicago is the third largest metropolitan area. It's home to a number of Fortune 500 company headquarters and regional offices. McCormick Place is on
67 etops1 : Ok , once again ... Because obviously people just simply do not get this . ALL of USAirways work groups with the exception of the Pilot and FA group (
68 TWA1985 : I think US needs to merge to survive as much as AA. If AA were to merge with B6, I think US would be in serious trouble.
69 Post contains images HiFlyerAS : This makes it sound like AA is the Newt Gingrich of airlines
70 LAXintl : Today's US is not your fathers US. While US might be unappreciated, it virtually become a new airline in recent years. It customer service, ontime pe
71 brilondon : Is DFW too far from the west coast for this type of connection? On another note, I don't see much of a difference between US and AA except in where t
72 drerx7 : Yes....
73 seatback : This isn't like when DL left DFW and gave it up to AA. The marketshare between the two was significant. At last check (a couple of months ago) UA's m
74 Boeing773ER : I believe you accidentally put US instead of NK. I believe US really doesn't nickel and dime you for everything they give. Especially when US usually
75 Post contains links aaway : Sorry, the info linked below explains clearly the reason for remote gate usage: Improvements at American Airlines LAX Terminal 4 are underway, with c
76 flyguy89 : How so? I think what a lot of people forget is that prior to this recent round of mergers, AA was the world's largest airline, but even as it stands
77 Boeing773ER : Keyword "was" They faced tough opposition and didn't. You can't blame an airline for trying to rack in more profit to make their airline more success
78 commavia : The whole concept of an AA-USAirways merger has been much discussed, on A.net and elsewhere, and it is still - even just in the hypothetical phase - h
79 drerx7 : WTF? I do, $2 for a drink is rediculous on the ground let alone in the air. That is $2 that could go for my parking or toll road or toward my Road &a
80 Thrust : I would certainly hope that the AA livery would stick around if a merger were to happen. That colorscheme is timeless.
81 Stabilator : I occasionally fly US. Flew them down to RSW from MSP with a connection in CLT. CLT was a very nice airport, imo and was easy to navigate. I flew them
82 DeltAirlines : Indeed. I flew US a lot over the past year - had something like 100 flights on them in the past 12 months when I lived in Phoenix. For short-haul fly
83 Post contains images PHX787 : I think that might be a much better option for AA especially over US because NYC is so DL/UA dominant. I mean sure, AA has decent ops there, but no w
84 beardown91737 : I don't think hubs need to be gutted. When there are less carriers, each will have more hubs. For domestic, ORD is situated in a great place, DFW is a
85 chepos : None of us know what will happen, unless any of you are at the top floor of HQ's at AA or the ninth floor in Temoe. All of us are clueless as to wheth
86 AA767400 : Which is who you need to have integrated in the first place. If you have the pilots and FAs, as well as the mechanics integrated, you're set. This is
87 HPRamper : Here we go again... But then you later state that no hubs would be completely dismantled - other than PHX being gradually reduced over time. So which
88 PHX787 : again, why do all of you see PHX getting pared down/shut down/dismantled/whatever? it's a really strategic hub, not to mention, as I've said before,
89 EA CO AS : The first part is accurate. The second, not so much. Why WOULDN'T they keep both LAX and PHX? Clearly there's enough demand to warrant the existence
90 crAAzy : I may be wrong, but wasn't the seniority issue worked out by the UNIONS? Whatever happens, they sure will have plenty of time to think about things.[
91 flyguy89 : I don't see there being a concerted plan or strategy to pull down PHX in the event of an AA-US merger, but it would be the hub of least importance st
92 bobloblaw : What you guys arent getting is that US's east coast presence will dramatically help AA at ORD. Its called S-curve. AA will be more competitive with U
93 CIDFlyer : I personally hope PHX stays, its the only market left in the mountain time zone that can be a viable hub, SLC (DL) and DEN (UA/F9) are already taken.
94 HPRamper : On the other hand, PHX may stand to gain connecting flights. AA may well wish to move some of those connections from LAX to PHX and focus more on the
95 seatback : Again, not profitable today, but with lower costs achieved through BK and the right size plane (A319). AA becomes a powerhouse again in Chicago. Real
96 AAplat4life : The questions should be: (1) In bankruptcy, what would a merger look like and do for the creditors? and (2) How would a merger affect AMR management t
97 HPRamper : SLC does not have any problem supporting the hub. It is very much right-sized for its market and does lean on connections. MSP is highly profitable -
98 ckfred : We know that US is one airline. But, AA's work groups have a habit of not getting along with management, and they haven't played nice during mergers.
99 AA767400 : That's not entirely true. TW FAs where fenced in for a while. The APFA stapled the TW FAs at the bottom of bidding seniority. They were given top pay
100 avek00 : I agree that, post-restructuring, AA's best merger partner is jetBlue, as B6 can be used (read: aircraft redeployed) to actually solve existing compe
101 Post contains images nycdave : First of all, I feel a lot better about my friend's "inside source" tip that merger talks were going on. Eat it, "AA will always go it alone", people!
102 joeman : No.......the a.netter consensus is there is no need for "reliever" hubs when in comes to destinations outside the scope of their pet few...
103 CIDFlyer : how many flights does US have at BOS?
104 HPRamper : 30-ish mainline, most (but not all) to hubs. A few flights on mainline to some Caribbean destinations, and a regional Saab focus serving various smal
105 gigneil : No rational human being could make that claim. They have the worst rankings in the industry. NS
106 commavia : Very true. The (hypothetical) combined strength of AA + USAirways would definitely "lift all boats" for the combined entity in plenty of markets - pa
107 CIDFlyer : I'm actually a little surprised by how many would like to see B6 merge with AA. Its always been known for being a funky/hip airline with great service
108 HPRamper : A lot of the reason AA pulled down BOS was B6. A combined airline would completely dominate a very large, strong business market in BOS and would als
109 CIDFlyer : that makes a little more sense...but it would be too bad to see B6 go away as it seems like its definitely one of the darlings of the industry right
110 BoeingGuy : I've flown AA extensively and never had any problems with them. They don't knock your socks off, but have always been reliable and helpful. Recently
111 EricR : Look at history. There are a large number of examples where hubs located close together, such as PHX & LAX, do not last long for hub & spoke
112 HPRamper : If the airline doesn't try to duplicate the traffic patterns, it can work out just fine. LAS/PHX had duplicate patterns as did PHL/PIT as well as mos
113 EricR : Agreed, and this is my exact point. I believe, as you just mentioned above, that one of the hubs would go away. If AA/US focused only on O&D at L
114 CIDFlyer : I know AA refers to LAX as a hub, but given the amount of flights it has (isnt it like 100-150 or so) can it really be considered a hub in the true se
115 EA CO AS : Did you ever bother to think about these closures or drawdowns you've mentioned? Because LAS was already failing as a hub. See above; PIT's CPE was mu
116 EricR : I think AA's intent is to use LAX as a true hub for the west. I think its geographic location and terminal capacity constraints are a couple of reaso
117 HPRamper : Well, I suppose so, it would end up like the West Coast JFK. Mostly just international and flights to major markets only. And that may well be the be
118 EricR : Incorrect. Neither CVG nor MEM were marginal hubs pre merger. However, both became redundant after their merger because larger hubs with much larger
119 EA CO AS : They served different connecting traffic flows; LAS was largely a night operation for the most part. Not at all - you're overlooking the fact that LA
120 Post contains images PHX787 : That wasn't because of PHL, more because of the dispute with PIT which IIRC is still ongoing. as I and other PHXers have been saying this whole threa
121 USPIT10L : One-stops via PDX or ATL, at best. CVG never had nonstops to Asia.
122 CIDFlyer : you are correct....CVG never had non stop Asia service. I do remember them having MD11 service to PDX that went on to either Japan or Korea.
123 EA CO AS : "at one time" and "at the time of the merger" are two different things though.
124 enilria : PHX is gone. CLT shrinks a lot because AA is not going to be as interested in carrying low yield vacationers to Florida. That's 60% of all the passen
125 TWA1985 : It appears that the possible merger is taking another step forward. Via ABC News: NEW YORK) -- US Airways is reportedly in talks to takeover the now b
126 apodino : That is not 100 percent accurate. The dispute with PIT started the ball rolling, when PIT tried to call US bluff when they weren't bluffing. As the c
127 Coronado : Agreed, As soon as oil pricing started heading up RJ-centric hubs started making less and less financial sense and all were being downgraded well bef
128 EricR : Nope. I am not overlooking this aspect at all. PHX & LAX both have the ability to serve the exact same connecting traffic flows post merger. The
129 HPRamper : No, they can't. LAX cannot handle the amount of traffic that is currently funneled through PHX. Not enough space and ease of connection is spotty any
130 EA CO AS : That's not at all what I'm proposing. LAX should continue to be the strong O&D market it has always been. PHX would remain a hub and internationa
131 slcdeltarumd11 : This merger would have alot of obstacles to actually happen but i think the government would be ok to approve it with some plan and giving a few slots
132 EricR : You are talking about two completely separate issues. Traffic flows are completely different than capacity constraints. LAX and PHX serve the same ca
133 DL WIDGET HEAD : I think a combined company would keep LAX as is, largely an O&D market. Not much room to increase the AA/US presence there due to a lack of facil
134 apodino : I will say it again. What people on here are ignoring is that PHX itself is a very big market in its own right, and while it doesn't have the O and D
135 western727 : ATL-DTW, CLT-PHL and DFW-ORD are all closer together than DFW is from PHX...868 miles is not next door, either.
136 CIDFlyer : Keeping PHX for AA would also alow them to get back into some markets like BOI, BUR, etc. I think PHX would stay. I realize they like to call LAX a hu
137 LJ : That's very simplistic. I wonder what the DOJ will require a possible AA/US to give up (and I think it will be foolish to think that both airlines ge
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