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Qantas Flights SYD - BKK ... No A330?  
User currently offlineThai744 From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 301 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8130 times:
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I just had a look on the QF website to book some flights SYD - BKK - SYD in May.

Of course, this is after the demise of QF 1 and 2 SYD-BKK-LHR-BKK-SYD.

New flight details show:

QF 23
Depart Sydney: 1230
Arrive Bangkok: 1850

QF 24
Depart Bangkok: 2055
Arrive Sydney: 0900

Equipment: 744

Interesting.

From my point of view, better flight times than QF1 previously as its a good arrival time into Bangkok and still let's you make something of the evening there.

Also, on the return, you get more of a full day in BKK as QF 2 previously departed at 1800.

However, I thought they were going to change this service to an A330?

The website still shows a 744.

Anyone know if they're keeping the 744 on this sector for the time being, or there's not enough A330's to go around at the moment?

I would think with the demise of BKK-LHR-BKK this would free up an airframe or two, so it kind of makes sense to me.

Does anyone know what the actual story is?

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User currently offlineVH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 832 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8103 times:

AFAIK the A330 is definitely replacing the 744's on that sector, but it could be in June?

BZF



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5402 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8089 times:

When does AKL-LAX end? May right?

After that I think they're reshuffling A330 capacity. Also BNE-SIN goes from 333 to 744 in late May, so maybe it's a direct equipment swap between the two routes...



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User currently offlineTravellerPlus From New Zealand, joined Nov 2008, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8079 times:

The A330 starts on 10 May. Its a 744 before then.


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User currently offlinemrkerr7474 From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 2009, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8069 times:

From what I see it is changing from 744 to 330 on the 10th June.

Looking at the timetable the flight leaving Sydney on Thurs, Fri, Sat and Sun will be operated by 333 and Mon, Tues and Wed will be operated by the 332.


User currently offlineThai744 From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8059 times:
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Quoting TravellerPlus (Reply 3):
The A330 starts on 10 May. Its a 744 before then.

But they dates I entered on the QF website were May 16 SYD - BKK and May 20 BKK - SYD ????

Maybe forward bookings are strong enough they want to keep a 744 on the route for a while now?


User currently offlineThai744 From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8059 times:
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Quoting mrkerr7474 (Reply 5):
From what I see it is changing from 744 to 330 on the 10th June.

Ok - cool!

Thanks for the clarification!

Would have been nice to be able to travel on a "classic" on this sector for a while! Oh well!


User currently offlineTravellerPlus From New Zealand, joined Nov 2008, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8022 times:

Me bad. I was quoting a Qantas premium economy sale e-mail that arrived this morning. The terms for the BKK route was that travel was only valid until 9 May as on 10 May the A330 without premium economy was starting the route.

I think the sales team is 1 month out.



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2963 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7977 times:

There are a few things that need to happen before BKK can go to A330:

1. The single weekly SYD-NRT A330 needs to revert to a 744 (June 10th)

2. SIN-BOM needs to be canned (May 6th), and BNE-SIN needs to revert to a 744 (March 25th)

3. AKL-LAX needs to be canned (May 6th), and LAX-JFK needs to revert to a 744 (May 6th)

4. MEL-PER (QF773) needs to revert to A332's (aircraft rotations need to change significantly to allow for this -- probably using HKG from what I can see with the timetables) 5 times weekly. This isn't yet in the timetable, I'm told it's planned for early-June.

MEL-HKG moves from B744 to A330 on March 25th, which is offset by the BNE-SIN change.

SYD-PER moves from B744 to A330 on May 6th, which is offset by AKL-LAX canning.

SYD-BKK moves from B744 to A330 on June 19th, which off offset by LAX/NRT/MEL-PER changes.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2963 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7951 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 9):
SYD-BKK moves from B744 to A330 on June 19th, which off offset by LAX/NRT/MEL-PER changes.

Apologies, the dates have changes since the Press Release I was working off...

SYD-BKK moves from B744 to A330 on June 10th, which is offset by LAX/NRT/MEL-PER changes.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5402 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7596 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 8):
MEL-HKG moves from B744 to A330 on March 25th, which is offset by the BNE-SIN change.

So this one is practically an aircraft-for-aircraft swap?



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2963 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7530 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 10):
So this one is practically an aircraft-for-aircraft swap?

Looks like it, given that the dates match up perfectly.


User currently offlineHKGfan From New Zealand, joined Aug 2008, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4797 times:

I am booked on this flight as well, for the 23rd of June. The ticket states the aircraft as a 747, but the airline called me to say that this has been changed to an A330.
Shame, I haven't flown the Jumbo since 2004 so was really looking forward to it   


User currently offline5MillionMiler From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4424 times:

I think Qantas is wisely rationalising its routes. More 330s running to Asia makes sense. Are the 763s coming off the random NRT, SIN and HKG routes they still seem to pop up on? HNL?

BKK hours look good as you can make it for dinner there the night before meetings. Later return much better. Assume that means better connections with BA too?

Work travel normally in business, but I find the Qantas 330s very nice in Y. Just went back/forth to Perth to see friends and had the intl config outbound and domestic on the return. Comfy seats and nice AVOD.

The additional 744 capacity will also enable DFW daily, right?


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5402 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3954 times:

Quoting 5MillionMiler (Reply 13):
Assume that means better connections with BA too?

Unfortunately not, 5 hour connection each way. It would appear that this would only appeal to the leisure-market and those who actually want a stop-over in BKK. HKG works better though...



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2963 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3427 times:

Quoting 5MillionMiler (Reply 13):
Are the 763s coming off the random NRT, SIN and HKG routes they still seem to pop up on? HNL?

Aside from the scheduled PER-NRT (canned in early 2011) and SYD-MNL (A330 in 2008), there has been virtually no 767's flying to Asia for years. The only unscheduled flight in the past couple of years occurred during the A380 grounding.

HNL is a strange case... I don't think QF will move it to A330's, but at the same time I don't think it makes sense to can it altogether.

Quoting 5MillionMiler (Reply 13):
Assume that means better connections with BA too?

Nope. QF and BA want to encourage LHR customers to use the SIN flights -- BKK is being designed as a stopover destination, where the connection times don't matter.

Quoting 5MillionMiler (Reply 13):
The additional 744 capacity will also enable DFW daily, right?

There's plenty of 744's to take DFW to daily without any of the changes. The excess 744 capacity caused by all these changes will be retired (I think they've got plans to get rid of 6 frames in the next 12-18 months).


User currently offline5MillionMiler From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 15):
There's plenty of 744's to take DFW to daily without any of the changes. The excess 744 capacity caused by all these changes will be retired (I think they've got plans to get rid of 6 frames in the next 12-18 months).

Thanks for the info! I had thought CNS and Darwin still had 767s into Asia. I was on a 767 to Cairns in late 2010 and thought it was continuing to NRT. May have had my dates wrong.

Domestic 332 to HNL would be nice, but would have to discount the J cabin a bit because really not a long-haul seat and a bit cramped legroom wise when passenger in front reclines (though AVOD way preferable to the old dream time seats in the old 767ERs on the route).

What is the wait then to make DFW daily? Only six of the 747s (ERs) can do the route, so I remember something about MEL needing to be daily 388 and then that would free up an ER pair. That's done now, right? Flights are doing well from what I hear. Am looking forward to finally getting on it next month. Hope this route can still work with fuel prices getting ridiculous again.


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2939 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 15):
QF and BA want to encourage LHR customers to use the SIN flights -- BKK is being designed as a stopover destination, where the connection times don't matter.

This move is sensible. I am less impressed about it regarding HKG though. Similarly couldn't QF have extended BNE-SIN into LHR and keep the LHR slot?

Quoting 5MillionMiler (Reply 16):
Domestic 332 to HNL would be nice, but would have to discount the J cabin a bit because really not a long-haul seat and a bit cramped legroom wise when passenger in front reclines (though AVOD way preferable to the old dream time seats in the old 767ERs on the route).

More sensible would be giving those flights over to JQ rather than undermining your brand by offering a sub standard product.

But better than the situation a few years ago, now only HNL & Domestic confuses the "International Business" product.


User currently offline5MillionMiler From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 17):
More sensible would be giving those flights over to JQ rather than undermining your brand by offering a sub standard product.

Yeah but a lot of people would fly HA or NZ or JQ to HNL if there were no mainline QF, and money is OK as economy good here and HNL is popular given exchange rate, which is why red tails stay on the route. Have you seen the 767 on the route? 332 would be a step up.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2963 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

Quoting 5MillionMiler (Reply 16):
I was on a 767 to Cairns in late 2010 and thought it was continuing to NRT.

The only QF mainline flights to Japan now are from SYD (QF21/22 daily). The flights from CNS and OOL to NRT and KIX are all JQ flights now, and have been for a few years.

Quoting 5MillionMiler (Reply 16):
What is the wait then to make DFW daily? Only six of the 747s (ERs) can do the route, so I remember something about MEL needing to be daily 388 and then that would free up an ER pair. That's done now, right

1. The route is less than a year old, and needs time to develop before they can throw capacity at it.
2. The 744ER's are going through the refurbishment programme at the moment, which wraps up later this year. That means that there is a frame missing from the fleet at any given time, which might have some impact.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 17):
More sensible would be giving those flights over to JQ rather than undermining your brand by offering a sub standard product.

Agreed. Offering a product identical to JQ's will warrant a price identical to JQ's and QF simply cannot afford to charge that little. They need to establish themselves as the premium airline on the route while the current economic conditions last, and that means Skybeds, and preferably W. The issue comes with priorities -- Asia and domestic are the priorities for the A330's at the moment, so HNL has to stand to one side. A 744 through the peak periods is probably more likely IMO.


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