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Is UA Ending Service At OAK?  
User currently offlinejamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10815 times:

I've looked on several online sites and there are no UA-operated flights between OAK and DEN beyond July 1. Does anyone have any knowledge of UA deciding to pull the plug on OAK? If so, it would be somewhat sad. UA has a long history of serving OAK that dates back to at least the 1930's.


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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3607 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10767 times:

I just tried to book a few dates and nothing also . Remember that southwest has rolled into town with DEN-OAK service 4x day. WN seems to be slowing trying to dominate the DEN-California scene. I dont know they are leaving but with a SFO hub and WN killing yields on o&d to OAK i can see an easy case of why they would want to leave.

I would guess this is when leases end if they are indeed leaving since that is right around one of the busiest times of the year. OAK is WN country. For the legacies Delta still operates Mainline to SLC and US still operates mainline to PHX. Others theres of courseHawaiian, Alaska, Allegiant, Jetblue, SATA, Arkefly, Spirit and Volaris in there. OAK airport seems to be doing overall pretty well its just the legacies are leaving and the LCCs and more niche carriers are taking over.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3432 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10727 times:

When living in the city earlier this decade, OAK was a great alternative to SFO when flying UA, they had non-stops to ORD & DEN, often times the fares were often much lower than that of SFO, but last time I went to Chicago on business I flew UA out of OAK, flight to ORD was supposed to be a A-319, but became a A-320 a few weeks before departure, it was a Saturday, I routed back via DEN, got the Star Alliance 777-200/ER to DEN than a 735 to OAK, I was in F the entire trip, except the second leg and that was J, as it was an Intl configured plane that came in from AMS operating onto DEN, and I was using 1K upgrades. I was disappointed with the aircraft in and out of OAK, a far cry from the DC-8's, DC-10's & 747's that operated into OAK in the past, it will be sad to see UA leave OAK, guess they sold off or closed all the maintenance there as well?


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User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 10702 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 1):
OAK is WN country.

Understatement of the week...WN practically owns OAK, even more so than SJC.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 2):
it will be sad to see UA leave OAK, guess they sold off or closed all the maintenance there as well?

IIRC UA closed/sold their maintenance facilities there quite a while ago.



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3208 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9047 times:

That would be too bad. CO and AA both pulled out of OAK a few years ago, ending their IAH and DFW flights, respectively (but each kept SJC).

No-one yet has confirmed if UA is actually dropping OAK. Anyone know for sure?

Quoting warden145 (Reply 3):
Understatement of the week...WN practically owns OAK, even more so than SJC.

That's true. WN is by far the largest carrier at both OAK and SJC after AA took a meat cleaver to SJC. AS/QX is a distant second place.

Both OAK and SJC serve very large population bases themselves so I don't always understand why airlines pull down there so much. It isn't just like people want to drive an extra hour to get to SFO. If a member of my family flies out of SFO, they literally drive (or get a ride) right past SJC on Highway 101, then it's another 35+ miles each way in freeway traffic. Same with like AA pulling out of LGB and BUR. If you happen to leave near those airports, it's a huge inconvenience to now have to get to LAX.


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5950 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8937 times:
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Quoting RWA380 (Reply 2):
I was disappointed with the aircraft in and out of OAK, a far cry from the DC-8's, DC-10's & 747's that operated into OAK in the past

RWA380...How far back are you going with UA's history at OAK? UA has never flown any regularly scheduled equipment larger than the DC-8 or the 757 (unless it was a charter). UA had DC-8's flying OAK-ORD and OAK-HNL quite often. The only widebody pax traffic at OAK were World, Martinair, People Express, Transamerica, CityBird, Corsair and today, Hawaiian Air. Back in the day, OAK was big for 727's, 737's and MD-80's.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4):
Both OAK and SJC serve very large population bases themselves so I don't always understand why airlines pull down there so much. It isn't just like people want to drive an extra hour to get to SFO. If a member of my family flies out of SFO, they literally drive (or get a ride) right past SJC on Highway 101, then it's another 35+ miles each way in freeway traffic.

WN has been kicking the incumbants out of OAK with their low-cost, high-frequency approach. With the majors concentrating on overseas traffic and pulling domestic traffic, OAK is a big victim of this. With no ORD, DEN and DFW service, I think an airline like Spirit could do well there and really give WN a run for its money. There's plenty of gate space at OAK for significant expansion.

As for SFO, what's changed is BART. Now, SFO is readily accessible to pretty much all corners of the Bay Area without having to drive. Just take BART.

OAK/BART is building a monorail-like system to link OAK with BART's Coliseum Station (I think), but it's just now in the initial stages of construction.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3208 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8858 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 5):
Just take BART.

BART doesn't go to the SJC area. You can take Caltrain to Millbrae and connect to BART. That would take awhile. It would take most people in SJC just as long, or longer to get to the Tamien or Cahill St. train stations as it would take to get to SJC itself. Then it's an extra 1 1/2 by the time you get to SFO.

As a side topic, I've noticed that AA doesn't really offer FF seats out of SJC. Everytime my sister tries redeeming AA or AS miles on AA, it's only available out of SFO to anywhere. The SJC-DFW or SJC-LAX flights don't often have availability, but instead offers the award from SFO.


User currently offlinejetMARC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 562 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8770 times:

Quoting jamake1 (Thread starter):
OAK and DEN beyond July 1

I tried checking UA.com and can't book any OAK-DEN flights beyond June 4th...



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8736 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 5):
With no ORD, DEN and DFW service, I think an airline like Spirit could do well there and really give WN a run for its money.

NK already serves OAK-LAS, so I could see them giving OAK-ORD/DEN/DFW a try.



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User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1322 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8381 times:

It wouldn't surprise me. I doubt UA or WN makes money on that route.

User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7868 times:

Withdrawing from OAK makes sense. OAK is dominated by WN and there is little reason to have only one flight to DEN. UA needs to focus on their hub at SFO and forget about marginal airports like OAK. Traffic out of OAK and SJC has been steadily dropping so there is not much of a market to tap into. The Southwest Effect has run its course at those airports. The writing was probably on the wall when they dropped OAK-LAX.

Quoting jamake1 (Thread starter):
Does anyone have any knowledge of UA deciding to pull the plug on OAK? If so, it would be somewhat sad. UA has a long history of serving OAK that dates back to at least the 1930's.

The most ironic departure was UA removing all mainline service at BUR, an airport that UA built.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26718 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7806 times:

OAK is done for UA. Its too bad too.


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User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2352 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7782 times:

didnt at one time UA have OAK-SFO service? I think I remember how they called it the shortest flight in their system.

User currently offlinedarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7676 times:

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 12):

didnt at one time UA have OAK-SFO service? I think I remember how they called it the shortest flight in their system.

Beat me to it! IIRC it was a 722.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26718 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7632 times:

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 12):
didnt at one time UA have OAK-SFO service? I think I remember how they called it the shortest flight in their system.

Yep. Including 747s. They decided to sell their ferry flights to the MX base in OAK.



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3208 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7633 times:

Quoting darksnowynight (Reply 13):
Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 12):

didnt at one time UA have OAK-SFO service? I think I remember how they called it the shortest flight in their system.

Beat me to it! IIRC it was a 722.

This has been discussed in other threads. At various times there have been SFO-OAK, SFO-SJC, and SJC-OAK tag-ons. Air California and PSA have done it at various times, especially with the Electras to TVL, but also other tag-ons. Western did SJC-OAK at times as a triangle route with a 707 to HNL. TWA did SFO-SJC as a late night tag on once.

I think UA has used various equipment when they've done it. Obviously it was a tag-on and not just for SFO-OAK service.


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2766 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7410 times:

Quoting jamake1 (Thread starter):
I've looked on several online sites and there are no UA-operated flights between OAK and DEN beyond July 1.

UA has been reducing (or right-sizing) the DEN hub since the merger. It has also probably reduced ORD and LAX as well, and maybe even some from the other hubs, but DEN has been probably seen the highest reduction in terms of flights. At the same time, DEN has also seen a few new stations open up with the new UA, namely LBB, MAF, DAL and FAI can be mentioned quickly.

However, with the above, would this be the first station that has actually been removed from DEN? And as such, even thought UA has been - right-sizing - since the merger, and there have been flight reductions overall to meet capacity, I believe that stations have been kept and even added to the system. Is this the first station to leave the new UA since the merger?


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5843 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7382 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
Yep. Including 747s. They decided to sell their ferry flights to the MX base in OAK.

I did the OAK-SFO on a widebody one time. There used to be UAX flights OAK-FAT using EMB-110s. One time I was booked on OAK-FAT and it was cancelled. So a handful of us were loaded onto a widebody to SFO then connected there back to Fresno.



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User currently offlinemacsog6 From Singapore, joined Jan 2010, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7366 times:
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Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 6):
As a side topic, I've noticed that AA doesn't really offer FF seats out of SJC. Everytime my sister tries redeeming AA or AS miles on AA, it's only available out of SFO to anywhere. The SJC-DFW or SJC-LAX flights don't often have availability, but instead offers the award from SFO

Ummmmm, very odd as I recently tried to redeem some AA FF miles from SFO to OGG and was not successful, but did get them from SJC via LAX.



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User currently offlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6896 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7121 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 5):
UA has never flown any regularly scheduled equipment larger than the DC-8 or the 757 (unless it was a charter).

Almost true, but I think OAK-HNL and SJC-HNL were both DC-10 at one point.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20789 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7035 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 17):
I did the OAK-SFO on a widebody one time.

As did I. UA sold more tickets between SFO and OAK in 1Q 1988 than at any other time in their history (by a wide margin, I might add). Trivia: anyone recall why?  



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User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2352 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6968 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 20):

As did I. UA sold more tickets between SFO and OAK in 1Q 1988 than at any other time in their history (by a wide margin, I might add). Trivia: anyone recall why?

im not sure but I would guess for FF miles? fares must have been pretty cheap to do that at the time.

or I could see living in the bay area originating your flight at OAK and connecting in SFO and getting at extra 1000 miles just to connect.

I think this happened alot in Houston when CO had flights from IAH to HOU and EFD

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User currently offlineDualQual From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 788 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6943 times:

Bay bridge collapse after earthquake?

User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2352 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6925 times:

Quoting DualQual (Reply 22):
Bay bridge collapse after earthquake?

that didnt happen though until Oct 1989


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20789 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6830 times:

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 21):
im not sure but I would guess for FF miles?

Close, but not it exactly. There was a specific reason.



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25 BoeingGuy : Yes, for a very short time. Usually both those flights were DC-8-50s. I don't recall either ever being scheduled with a DC-8-61 though, but -61s did
26 AeroWesty : Aww, dang, you of all people I would have expected to get it. Oh but there was something special, it just wasn't specific "in that area" that caused
27 Post contains links bennett123 : http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquak...qarchives/significant/sig_1988.php Do you mean this?. "FEB 11 15 25 55.6& 34.077 N 118.047 W 12 4.8 54 SOUT
28 wedgetail737 : UA had been selling SFO-OAK and OAK-SFO up to around the early to mid-1990's. CO briefly flew IAH-SFO-OAK and OAK-SFO-IAH with a 733, back when they
29 AeroWesty : Nope, I'll give it to ya. Qualifying for triple miles during 1988 in MileagePlus. Not just flights such as SFO-OAK, but all around the country people
30 BoeingGuy : I do know for a fact that UA flew DC-10s SJC-HNL for a short time. I remember seeing them. I'm pretty sure they did such on OAK-HNL too. As I mention
31 Post contains links and images AeroWesty : Two points: 1) There were no widebodies "pre-1970s"; and 2) http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNITED-AIRLI...SE-HONOLULU-DC-10-AD-/400263441741 Zing!
32 ramprat74 : Another great United station bites the dust! In the past, United flew all these routes out of Oakland. SEA PDX HNL LAX BUR ONT SAN DEN ORD IAD
33 wedgetail737 : Ahhh...those were the days. I flew on the OAK-LAX-OAK daytrip on UA during the L.A. Riots. WestAir started OAK-FAT service using EMB-110 before they
34 christao17 : I used to fly a lot as a non-rev from SJC to DEN and recall that the early morning departure (this was probably in the early 80s?) was a DC-8 that ca
35 warden145 : Ironically, I get to do the exact opposite in a couple of weeks...I live within spitting distance of SFO (maybe a 15 minute drive, vs 45 minutes to O
36 ramprat74 : It looks like Oakland will close June 4th. This was from the IAM website. Just another great job from the guys on 77 W Wacker Drive. Management Botche
37 BoeingGuy : I wonder why they also didn't mention that employees would also have the chance to fill vacancies in SJC. Especially if one lives somewhere like Frem
38 FATFlyer : WestAir became a UAX carrier in 1985. The transition to J31s started, I believe, roughly in late 1988/early 1989. Initially out of FAT they were bein
39 WhatUsaid : I flew Far West. It was a FAT-OAK-SJC-FAT routing, wasn't it? YS-11's, two of them, one in colors and the other in Mid-Pacific colors. Underfunded an
40 wedgetail737 : How was the service? Was there any beverage or snack service? At their peak, Far West also flew to ONT and SNA, from FAT. UA reintroduced OAK-HNL a c
41 RWA380 : Far West was a short lived carrier that flew HIO-BFI, late 70's early 80's IIRC, Not sure if it's connected with the one your speaking of.
42 wedgetail737 : No...the Far West Airlines we're speaking of existed during the late 1980's based out of FAT with YS-11's.
43 RWA380 : I expected it wasn't, guess it's not the first time an airlines name was recycled, not counting where a name was bought just to try and add credibili
44 OH-LGA : Wow... this thread drifted. I remember trying to hop on a nonstop IAD-OAK flight as an NRSA with UA a couple years ago that they launched in competiti
45 Viscount724 : Minor correction. UA never operated the DC-8-73 (re-engined -63), only the DC-8-71 (re-engined -61).
46 RWA380 : When I last flew from the Bay Area to Chicago, the fares was half the price from OAK than SFO, I flew out of OAK, same non-stop A-320, and other than
47 wedgetail737 : DL is flies mainline aircraft between SLC-OAK 1X or 2X per day. Likewise, AS still flies the majority of its flights on mainline aircraft. Then you s
48 panam330 : DL still flies mainline on SLC-OAK, and US to PHX (if you count that as legacy).
49 Post contains images point2point : I think that if there is a shortage of seats between OAK-DEN with only WN now serving the route after the UA pullout, then I guess by that time NK wil
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