jamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1005 posts, RR: 2 Posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10644 times:
I've looked on several online sites and there are no UA-operated flights between OAK and DEN beyond July 1. Does anyone have any knowledge of UA deciding to pull the plug on OAK? If so, it would be somewhat sad. UA has a long history of serving OAK that dates back to at least the 1930's.
slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10594 times:
I just tried to book a few dates and nothing also . Remember that southwest has rolled into town with DEN-OAK service 4x day. WN seems to be slowing trying to dominate the DEN-California scene. I dont know they are leaving but with a SFO hub and WN killing yields on o&d to OAK i can see an easy case of why they would want to leave.
I would guess this is when leases end if they are indeed leaving since that is right around one of the busiest times of the year. OAK is WN country. For the legacies Delta still operates Mainline to SLC and US still operates mainline to PHX. Others theres of courseHawaiian, Alaska, Allegiant, Jetblue, SATA, Arkefly, Spirit and Volaris in there. OAK airport seems to be doing overall pretty well its just the legacies are leaving and the LCCs and more niche carriers are taking over.
RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3126 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10555 times:
When living in the city earlier this decade, OAK was a great alternative to SFO when flying UA, they had non-stops to ORD & DEN, often times the fares were often much lower than that of SFO, but last time I went to Chicago on business I flew UA out of OAK, flight to ORD was supposed to be a A-319, but became a A-320 a few weeks before departure, it was a Saturday, I routed back via DEN, got the Star Alliance 777-200/ER to DEN than a 735 to OAK, I was in F the entire trip, except the second leg and that was J, as it was an Intl configured plane that came in from AMS operating onto DEN, and I was using 1K upgrades. I was disappointed with the aircraft in and out of OAK, a far cry from the DC-8's, DC-10's & 747's that operated into OAK in the past, it will be sad to see UA leave OAK, guess they sold off or closed all the maintenance there as well?
BoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2997 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8875 times:
That would be too bad. CO and AA both pulled out of OAK a few years ago, ending their IAH and DFW flights, respectively (but each kept SJC).
No-one yet has confirmed if UA is actually dropping OAK. Anyone know for sure?
Quoting warden145 (Reply 3): Understatement of the week...WN practically owns OAK, even more so than SJC.
That's true. WN is by far the largest carrier at both OAK and SJC after AA took a meat cleaver to SJC. AS/QX is a distant second place.
Both OAK and SJC serve very large population bases themselves so I don't always understand why airlines pull down there so much. It isn't just like people want to drive an extra hour to get to SFO. If a member of my family flies out of SFO, they literally drive (or get a ride) right past SJC on Highway 101, then it's another 35+ miles each way in freeway traffic. Same with like AA pulling out of LGB and BUR. If you happen to leave near those airports, it's a huge inconvenience to now have to get to LAX.
wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8765 times:
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 2): I was disappointed with the aircraft in and out of OAK, a far cry from the DC-8's, DC-10's & 747's that operated into OAK in the past
RWA380...How far back are you going with UA's history at OAK? UA has never flown any regularly scheduled equipment larger than the DC-8 or the 757 (unless it was a charter). UA had DC-8's flying OAK-ORD and OAK-HNL quite often. The only widebody pax traffic at OAK were World, Martinair, People Express, Transamerica, CityBird, Corsair and today, Hawaiian Air. Back in the day, OAK was big for 727's, 737's and MD-80's.
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4): Both OAK and SJC serve very large population bases themselves so I don't always understand why airlines pull down there so much. It isn't just like people want to drive an extra hour to get to SFO. If a member of my family flies out of SFO, they literally drive (or get a ride) right past SJC on Highway 101, then it's another 35+ miles each way in freeway traffic.
WN has been kicking the incumbants out of OAK with their low-cost, high-frequency approach. With the majors concentrating on overseas traffic and pulling domestic traffic, OAK is a big victim of this. With no ORD, DEN and DFW service, I think an airline like Spirit could do well there and really give WN a run for its money. There's plenty of gate space at OAK for significant expansion.
As for SFO, what's changed is BART. Now, SFO is readily accessible to pretty much all corners of the Bay Area without having to drive. Just take BART.
OAK/BART is building a monorail-like system to link OAK with BART's Coliseum Station (I think), but it's just now in the initial stages of construction.
BART doesn't go to the SJC area. You can take Caltrain to Millbrae and connect to BART. That would take awhile. It would take most people in SJC just as long, or longer to get to the Tamien or Cahill St. train stations as it would take to get to SJC itself. Then it's an extra 1 1/2 by the time you get to SFO.
As a side topic, I've noticed that AA doesn't really offer FF seats out of SJC. Everytime my sister tries redeeming AA or AS miles on AA, it's only available out of SFO to anywhere. The SJC-DFW or SJC-LAX flights don't often have availability, but instead offers the award from SFO.
AADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2073 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7697 times:
Withdrawing from OAK makes sense. OAK is dominated by WN and there is little reason to have only one flight to DEN. UA needs to focus on their hub at SFO and forget about marginal airports like OAK. Traffic out of OAK and SJC has been steadily dropping so there is not much of a market to tap into. The Southwest Effect has run its course at those airports. The writing was probably on the wall when they dropped OAK-LAX.
Quoting jamake1 (Thread starter): Does anyone have any knowledge of UA deciding to pull the plug on OAK? If so, it would be somewhat sad. UA has a long history of serving OAK that dates back to at least the 1930's.
The most ironic departure was UA removing all mainline service at BUR, an airport that UA built.
didnt at one time UA have OAK-SFO service? I think I remember how they called it the shortest flight in their system.
Beat me to it! IIRC it was a 722.
This has been discussed in other threads. At various times there have been SFO-OAK, SFO-SJC, and SJC-OAK tag-ons. Air California and PSA have done it at various times, especially with the Electras to TVL, but also other tag-ons. Western did SJC-OAK at times as a triangle route with a 707 to HNL. TWA did SFO-SJC as a late night tag on once.
I think UA has used various equipment when they've done it. Obviously it was a tag-on and not just for SFO-OAK service.
point2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2741 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks ago) and read 7239 times:
Quoting jamake1 (Thread starter): I've looked on several online sites and there are no UA-operated flights between OAK and DEN beyond July 1.
UA has been reducing (or right-sizing) the DEN hub since the merger. It has also probably reduced ORD and LAX as well, and maybe even some from the other hubs, but DEN has been probably seen the highest reduction in terms of flights. At the same time, DEN has also seen a few new stations open up with the new UA, namely LBB, MAF, DAL and FAI can be mentioned quickly.
However, with the above, would this be the first station that has actually been removed from DEN? And as such, even thought UA has been - right-sizing - since the merger, and there have been flight reductions overall to meet capacity, I believe that stations have been kept and even added to the system. Is this the first station to leave the new UA since the merger?
FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5791 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks ago) and read 7210 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 14): Yep. Including 747s. They decided to sell their ferry flights to the MX base in OAK.
I did the OAK-SFO on a widebody one time. There used to be UAX flights OAK-FAT using EMB-110s. One time I was booked on OAK-FAT and it was cancelled. So a handful of us were loaded onto a widebody to SFO then connected there back to Fresno.
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macsog6 From Singapore, joined Jan 2010, 525 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks ago) and read 7195 times:
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 6): As a side topic, I've noticed that AA doesn't really offer FF seats out of SJC. Everytime my sister tries redeeming AA or AS miles on AA, it's only available out of SFO to anywhere. The SJC-DFW or SJC-LAX flights don't often have availability, but instead offers the award from SFO
Ummmmm, very odd as I recently tried to redeem some AA FF miles from SFO to OGG and was not successful, but did get them from SJC via LAX.
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