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Entering KIN FIR..Jamaican Thread 43..  
User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3121 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 18207 times:
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Welcome Guys..

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For this edition of our thread, we will take a closer look at traffic changes in KIN..

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A new home based airline has landed in KIN..Introducing our newest airline, FlyJamaica Airways...



Fly Jamaica Airways is declaring its here to stay. The fledgling carrier took delivery of its new 198-seater boeing 757 aircraft on Saturday.. Fly Jamaica is to operate between Kingston, Georgetown,Toronto and New York in the coming weeks. The company's chief investor and CEO, Captain Paul Reece, was upbeat about the prospects for Fly Jamaica based on the airline's model. Captain Reece also disclosed that another Boeing 757 aircraft will be added over the next 12 months..
Fly Jamaica is hoping to attract patronage mainly from home, the Jamaican diaspora and is aiming to take a slice of the tourist market. The airline's in-flight services manager wants to restore the perks and amenities travellers have been missing.

Media clip available from 3:11..http://news.cvmtv.com/index.php?news=watch#



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Westjet Airlines, announced a new 3 weekly service linking YYZ and KIN eff Apr 30..The service will operate on MON, Fri and Sun, also provides onward connections to Calgary,Edmonton,Halifax,Montreal,Ottawa,Vancouver and Winnipeg..


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Jetblue's new double daily E190 service starts on Apr 30 linking KIN-FLL..For the peak summer it is expected a double A320 service will service the route..

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British Airways to increase KIN to 3 weekly eff Mar 26...Flights will op Mon, Wed and Thur..From all indications, BA will have a monopoly on the KIN-LGW route for the summer..


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American Airlines will increase their MIA-KIN flights to 4 daily..The new service will operate between Apr 4 and Aug 20...

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Major cuts to their Jamaican operation;
KIN-MIA was cancelled after two months of service..
FLL-KIN has been reduced to 2 daily from 3..Flight times have changed to allow an earlier departure from FLL to compete with B6's new service..
KIN-MBJ-PHL has been reduced to 4 weekly..Previous service operated daily..
More than 150 Customer Service Agents will be outsourced..

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Redjet has suspended services..The operated a 2 weekly service between KIN and BGI and POS and KIN..


More Updates can be found in the old thread..

Blue Tales A Jammin..Jamaican Thread # 42.. (by hummingbird Dec 8 2011 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2558 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 18099 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
For this edition of our thread, we will take a closer look at traffic changes in KIN..

Great theme/title for thread 43. Somewhat different from the usual format.

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
Westjet Airlines, announced a new 3 weekly service linking YYZ and KIN eff Apr 30.
Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
Jetblue's new double daily E190 service starts on Apr 30 linking KIN-FLL.

Two new links to KIN on the same day. Not bad. Now a B6 FLL-MBJ service with their E-190 would be the icing on the cake.

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
British Airways to increase KIN to 3 weekly eff Mar 26...Flights will op Mon, Wed and Thur..From all indications, BA will have a monopoly on the KIN-LGW route for the summer..

Good that BA's 772 will be making the KIN rounds 3x weekly. I am certain they will enjoy that monopoly.

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
American Airlines will increase their MIA-KIN flights to 4 daily..The new service will operate between Apr 4 and Aug 20...
Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
Major cuts to their Jamaican operation;
KIN-MIA was cancelled after two months of service..

No one dare test AA on the MIA-KIN sector.

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
Redjet has suspended services..The operated a 2 weekly service between KIN and BGI and POS and KIN..

One thing is certain, they did impact fares on the routes they served when they were around.



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 17985 times:
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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 1):
Great theme/title for thread 43. Somewhat different from the usual format.

As usual, we have to showcase the strength of the KIN market..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 1):
Two new links to KIN on the same day. Not bad. Now a B6 FLL-MBJ service with their E-190 would be the icing on the cake.

Also for the month of Easter, they will operate double dailies to KIN from JFK..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 1):
Good that BA's 772 will be making the KIN rounds 3x weekly. I am certain they will enjoy that monopoly.

I heard their advance bookings are strong for the Olympic Traffic..

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I love the title of this story, "The new piece of Jamaica that flies"..As previously mentioned, I hope they will have a revised livery that projects the strength of "Brand Jamaica"..Its apparent more and more carriers are attracted to KIN based on the demise of the old JM...

Quote:
FlyJamaica's principals are Guyanese, but the company is majority owned and controlled by Jamaicans, and the carrier is expected to commence service as early as April.

"We are in the document evaluation stages, the flight crew and cabin crew are completing their training, and the next stage will include a demonstration flight by the carrier, a standard procedure for all new start up carriers," JCAA's director of flight operations, Nari William-Singh, told The Gleaner.

Revealing that the airline's application was far advanced, having completed Best Practices, William-Singh said all that is outstanding needs to be completed before the JCAA can issue an air operator certificate.

There is also a process that FlyJamaica needs to complete with the FAA, before they can begin operation. However, William-Singh did not go into details, except to say that the two entities worked closely in this process.

The Gleaner understands that captain Lloyd Tai, former senior captain of Air Jamaica, has been retained as a consultant during the certification stages, while Christene Steele, also of the former national carrier, has been named to the team.

FlyJamaica will operate between Kingston and Georgetown, Guyana, New York's JFK and Toronto, Canada, when it does commence operation, and is being viewed by many in the industry as another airline aimed at filling the void left from the demise of Air Jamaica.

The airline is expected to give Caribbean Airlines (CAL) competition on the Jamaican and Guyanese route.
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20120321/news/news3.html



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User currently offlineLimaMike From Jamaica, joined Feb 2006, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 17959 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 2):
British Airways to increase KIN to 3 weekly eff Mar 26...Flights will op Mon, Wed and Thur..From all indications, BA will have a monopoly on the KIN-LGW route for the summer..

Interesting that the new BA sched will be Mon, Wed, Thur. Before they dropped to 2x weekly (Mon, Fri) they had a Mon, Wed, Fri operation. Would've thought they'd simply revert to that with the return to 3x weekly service.



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User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 17907 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 2):
I love the title of this story, "The new piece of Jamaica that flies"..As previously mentioned, I hope they will have a revised livery that projects the strength of "Brand Jamaica"..Its apparent more and more carriers are attracted to KIN based on the demise of the old JM...

Very interesting. I hope they succeed and I hope the travelling public benefits. The concensus is that private Guyanese investment is destined to fail. Maybe this joint Guyanese and Jamaican venture will prove everyone wrong. If they can get Guyana out of Cat 2 status, and fly some nonstop GEO-JFK and GEO-YYZ routes they may acquire a larger following.

The recipe for GEO is daily reliable nonstop with smaller a/c as the loads are not that large. If the 738 or 737 can make it with good serivce and reliability, on time, and good baggage allowances, that airline will get the market.

GUYAIR707


User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 17763 times:
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Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 4):
Very interesting. I hope they succeed and I hope the travelling public benefits. The concensus is that private Guyanese investment is destined to fail. Maybe this joint Guyanese and Jamaican venture will prove everyone wrong. If they can get Guyana out of Cat 2 status, and fly some nonstop GEO-JFK and GEO-YYZ routes they may acquire a larger following.

I have no doubt they will do well in KIN..These are ex JM staff who are well knowledgable about "brand loyalty"...I know for a fact these individuals will use the strengths of ex JM to grow this new carrier...

I hope their future plans include operating flights out of MBJ..



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 17713 times:
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DOT Stats Aug 2011..


BW

FLL-KIN
14322-12793 89%

KIN-FLL
14322-13858 97%

FLL-MBJ
4774-4050 85%

MBJ-FLL
4774-4682 98%

JFK-KIN
17261-14206 82%

KIN-JFK
17023-13131 77%

JFK-MBJ
4466--44034 90%

MBJ-JFK
4466-4450 99%

PHL-MBJ
4620-3121 68%

MBJ-PHL
4620-4370 95%

AA

DFW-MBJ
3828-3032 79%

MBJ-DFW
3988-3887 98%

MIA-KIN
15068-13043 87%

KIN-MIA
14908-14466 97%

MIA-MBJ
14610-12804 88%

MBJ-MIA
14582-14280 98%

ORD-MBJ
888-644 73%

MBJ-ORD
888-852 96%

B6
JFK-KIN
4350-3922 90%

KIN-JFK
4350-4212 97%

JFK-MBJ
6600-5991 91%

MBJ-JFK
6750-6556 97%

MCO-MBJ
4800-3649 76%

MBJ-MCO
4650-4547

FL

ATL-MBJ
4384-3803 87%

MBJ-ATL
4247-4073 96%

BWI-MBJ
5069-4765 94%

MBJ-BWI
4932-4842 98%

MCO-MBJ
4110-3322 81%

MBJ-MCO
4110-4049 99%

DL

ATL-MBJ
16388-13738 84%

MBJ-ATL
16391-16169 99%

JFK-MBJ
616-580 94%

MBJ-JFK
456-452 99%

US

CLT-MBJ
13754-12408 90%

MBJ-CLT
13754-13554 98%

PHL-MBJ
5688--5209 92%

MBJ-PHL
5362-5145 96%

CO

EWR-MBJ
4700-4376 93%

MBJ-EWR
4232-4151 98%

IAH-MBJ
2439-1820 75%

MBJ-IAH
2907-2832 97%

GL MIAMI AIR (BW flights)

FLL-KIN
2002-1717 86%

KIN-FLL
2002-1933 97%

NK

FLL-KIN
1962-1558 79%

KIN-FLL
1962-1881 96%

FLL-MBJ
4756-3814 81%

MBJ-FLL
4756-4541 95%

U5

ORD-MBJ
1176-893 76%

MBJ-ORD
1176-1104 94%

STL-MBJ
840-468 56%

MBJ-STL
840-727 87%

SY (BW flights)

FLL-MBJ
5022-3796 76%

MBJ-FLL
5022-4828 96%

PHL-MBJ
4860-2710 56%

MBJ-PHL
4860-4187 86%

NA (BW (flights)

JFK-KIN
10348-9335 90%

KIN-JFK
10212-9949 97%

[Edited 2012-03-22 18:33:10]


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User currently offlineLimaMike From Jamaica, joined Feb 2006, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 17679 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 6):
DOT Stats Aug 2011..

Wow, very robust performances recorded by all the carriers. Seems it was a stellar month for everyone!



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2558 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 17659 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 2):
Also for the month of Easter, they will operate double dailies to KIN from JFK..

Is this the first time B6 is operating the second JFK-KIN flight during the Easter period ? Usually it operates during the Summer and/or Winter as far as I can remember.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 6):


B6
JFK-KIN
4350-3922 90%

KIN-JFK
4350-4212 97%

JFK-MBJ
6600-5991 91%

MBJ-JFK
6750-6556 97%


B6 standing out as usual. As I said in a previous post, it is imperative to remember that they charge for the second luggage.



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 17591 times:
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Quoting LimaMike (Reply 7):
Wow, very robust performances recorded by all the carriers. Seems it was a stellar month for everyone!

I agree..I expect stronger loads for this summer based on the fact it is our 50th Independence Celebration..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 8):
Is this the first time B6 is operating the second JFK-KIN flight during the Easter period ? Usually it operates during the Summer and/or Winter as far as I can remember.

Its a first for B6 to operate 2 daily JFK-KIN during the Easter....I expect once loads and yields improve, we may see daily year round double daily service..

Also, the JTB has been in discussion with B6 to increase services from JFK-MBJ.

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 8):
B6 standing out as usual. As I said in a previous post, it is imperative to remember that they charge for the second luggage.

I agree..

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Its looks like BW has been granted approval to operate KIN-MBJ-KIN shuttle flights...Training for ATRs should commence shortly...



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User currently onlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1463 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 17546 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 9):

Oh so at least one ATR wil be based in KIN after all.


User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 17497 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 9):
Its looks like BW has been granted approval to operate KIN-MBJ-KIN shuttle flights...Training for ATRs should commence shortly...
Quoting guyanam (Reply 10):
Its looks like BW has been granted approval to operate KIN-MBJ-KIN shuttle flights...Training for ATRs should commence shortly...

Yeah and REDjet was announcing new destinations up to a few days before they stopped flying. I know BW has the GORTT to back them up but BW has a good thing going and a great opportunity with the acquisition of Air Jamaica. It will be totally up to them to mess this up.

I keep saying they need to be careful chasing the competition and losing themselves in the process.

GUYAIR707


User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17376 times:
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Quoting guyanam (Reply 10):
Oh so at least one ATR wil be based in KIN after all.

At least for now, but I can tell you the local operators are giving them a warm time in regards to operating new routes with their ATRs..

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 11):
Yeah and REDjet was announcing new destinations up to a few days before they stopped flying. I know BW has the GORTT to back them up but BW has a good thing going and a great opportunity with the acquisition of Air Jamaica. It will be totally up to them to mess this up.

I keep saying they need to be careful chasing the competition and losing themselves in the process.

At the end of the day, none of this should be a surprise..If one thing should be clear, myself and other Jamaicans are happy to see the steady increase in new traffic into KIN...



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2558 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 17243 times:

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 11):
Yeah and REDjet was announcing new destinations up to a few days before they stopped flying. I know BW has the GORTT to back them up but BW has a good thing going and a great opportunity with the acquisition of Air Jamaica. It will be totally up to them to mess this up.

I keep saying they need to be careful chasing the competition and losing themselves in the process.

Here are two interesting articles re the state of Caribbean aviation today..............



'' Therefore, the introduction of a low-cost airline, REDjet, into the Caribbean last year was a welcome relief for Caribbean travellers who took to the airline like a duck to water, and cocked a snook at both LIAT and CAL because they were so delighted to travel at lower prices.

The travellers' vote for REDjet by using its services rather than CAL's or LIAT's was directed particularly at CAL because they know that CAL flies on a huge fuel subsidy from the Trinidad and Tobago Government, paying less than half the price for a gallon of fuel than is paid by LIAT, and indeed, was paid by REDjet.

In the view of most travellers — but especially those from Trinidad and Tobago — if taxpayers' money is being used to subsidise the cost of CAL's fights, the subsidy should be reflected in a lower cost of airfares. It was particularly galling for passengers to pay CAL's high fares when its chairman announced huge profits (on the basis of the fuel subsidy).

As it turns out, CAL's profits are a mirage. Once the fuel subsidy is subtracted from the declared profits, CAL is just another losing airline. The news that emerged that it has also not paid in recent months for the fuel it gets at a reduced price from the state-owned company, National Petroleum, shows that even with subsidised fuel, its operations are not efficient enough to pay its way. ''


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/colum...-for-Caribbean-travellers_11100983



'' This quite dramatic financial crisis development for Redjet has ignited new talk about subsidy for and ownership of regional airlines, but with no official stirrings of significance, as yet, in two of the major centres of Caricom -- Trinidad and Tobago and Jamaica -- which are both still preoccupied with making a success of their merger of Caribbean Airlines and Air Jamaica.

To hear Redjet's senior personnel seeking to justify the sudden shutdown of operations after a very recent boastful official claim (though unsubstantiated), that the airline had "an excellent" financial year in 2011, is to rub salt in the wounds of stranded Caricom nationals currently being rescued by regional airline LIAT. ''


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/colum...ew-subsidy-ownership-talk_11101090


So we are basically back at square one it would seem. Very very interesting days are ahead.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 12):
At the end of the day, none of this should be a surprise..If one thing should be clear, myself and other Jamaicans are happy to see the steady increase in new traffic into KIN...

As many ( including myself ) have stated over and over again in past threads, the KIN market was never going to be a walk in the park, and this will only get even more competitive with several carriers beefing up are inaugurating services to the capital city airport. At the end of the day the travellers will welcome the various travel options available to them.



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 17178 times:
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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 13):
'' Therefore, the introduction of a low-cost airline, REDjet, into the Caribbean last year was a welcome relief for Caribbean travellers who took to the airline like a duck to water, and cocked a snook at both LIAT and CAL because they were so delighted to travel at lower prices.

I heard, there will be an update by Friday..Looks like they will return to the skies but with a leaner structure...

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 13):
' This quite dramatic financial crisis development for Redjet has ignited new talk about subsidy for and ownership of regional airlines,

Am surprised they are embroiled in this dispute with the GOB regarding subsidies..If memory serves me right, this was the same Govt who claimed they were an investor in the carrier...

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 13):
As many ( including myself ) have stated over and over again in past threads, the KIN market was never going to be a walk in the park, and this will only get even more competitive with several carriers beefing up are inaugurating services to the capital city airport. At the end of the day the travellers will welcome the various travel options available to them.

I heard Fly-Jam, is looking to inaugurate services during the Easter Travel Period..
There was a story on FB about this venture..The majority of comments showed great enthusiasm for this new product..
I hope they will manage their structure well to facilitate expansions....



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 16990 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 14):
I hope they will manage their structure well to facilitate expansions....

Expansion? The need to survive first.

My humble suggestion to them is to establish themselves as THE "ethnic" carrier on a route, whatever that is, then use that as a beachhead for slow expansion.



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User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 10 hours ago) and read 16947 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 15):

"Ethnic"?? What does that mean? Either way I think FJ will be carrying mostly VFR's and they should probably market and cater to that crowd. That said, as far as I know that is what most of the startup charters do.

For the Guyanese they want reliability (fly when they are supposed to), and everyone wants value. A one a/c charter/airline is destined to be in trouble when the a/c gives problems.

GUYAIR707


User currently onlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1463 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 8 hours ago) and read 16907 times:

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 16):

Rest assured that Guyanese arent flying FlyJ except for the few score a week who travel to KIN. Maybe a few to YYZ. JFK has three carriers....all offering nonstops...even BW. I find it hard not to think that JFK GEO isnt over served at present.


User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 3 hours ago) and read 16848 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 17):

Yeah that one stop is probably a deterrent. I am sure that the 3 nonstop flights are more than enough. During the summer months a fourth flight may get some market share, however, with both BW and EZjet using 762's and DL's 763 there may be enough seats.

GUYAIR707


User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 16751 times:
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This past weekend, BA operated their last flight between MBJ and LGW..A video was posted on YouTube that captured the final departure from rwy07..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzy1ciTK3-o

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 15):
My humble suggestion to them is to establish themselves as THE "ethnic" carrier on a route, whatever that is, then use that as a beachhead for slow expansion.

Based on the current happenings in KIN, being established as a preferred ethnic carrier will be a walk in the park...

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 16):
For the Guyanese they want reliability (fly when they are supposed to), and everyone wants value. A one a/c charter/airline is destined to be in trouble when the a/c gives problems.

This is one of my biggest concerns..Reliability on one aircraft can lead to multiple delays in the event the aircraft goes tech..I hope they have a back up plan..



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2558 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16691 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 19):
This past weekend, BA operated their last flight between MBJ and LGW..A video was posted on YouTube that captured the final departure from rwy07..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzy1c...TK3-o

I was just about to ask when will BA have their final MBJ-LGW flight. Seem a few goats went to see the B772 off as well....LOL...........Those GE90 engines sound sweet. It is a pity the APD tax, global recession, rising oil prices etc. contributed to the discontinuation once again of this historical service. The video poster suggested that hopefully they will be back someday using a B767. As far as I know those aircraft are all LHR based if I am not mistaken, so that is highly unlikely to happen. None the less, myself hope to see them back in MBJ someday.



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User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 16632 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 20):

Maybe they heard of the BW 767's (lol). Do you have any idea if in it's heyday they filled the 772's? MoBay is a huge tourist destination from where, mostly Europe or the US or both?

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 19):

I had no idea that KIN was out in the ocean like that, is the airport connected to the mainland by land fill, or is it existing land connecting it? All in all a very unusual set up.

Is it just one main runway? Not much room for expansion without some expensive landfill being done. Very nice overhead pic of KIN at the beginning.

GUYAIR707


User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 16609 times:
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Eff the end of Aug, CO will suspend their EWR-MBJ services until early NOV...The service will operate weekly in Nov, then will be upgraded to 4 a week in Dec..For the peak Dec period, flights will operate daily..

Their IAH-MBJ services will operate weekly until it increases to daily for the peak winter travel..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 20):
I was just about to ask when will BA have their final MBJ-LGW flight. Seem a few goats went to see the B772 off as well....LOL...........Those GE90 engines sound sweet. It is a pity the APD tax, global recession, rising oil prices etc. contributed to the discontinuation once again of this historical service. The video poster suggested that hopefully they will be back someday using a B767. As far as I know those aircraft are all LHR based if I am not mistaken, so t

I agree, I love to hear the humming sound from those GE Engines...
I doubt BA will return to MBJ..Their B767s are based at LHR......
With the increase in services coming from VS, I have a feeling MBJ will be seing both their A330 and B787s..



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2558 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 16597 times:

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 21):
Maybe they heard of the BW 767's

Over the years BA operated various metals to both MBJ and KIN. I grew up seeing the B747's, DC10's and now the B772's. Guess the only other suitable aircraft that could be used effectively on it presently is the B767 if the situation was different. A suitably configured B787 ( when they do acquire them ) would be a perfect fit for routes like MBJ I think, but I figure other more lucrative business/VFR routes will get priority over leisure ones with that particular metal.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 21):
Do you have any idea if in it's heyday they filled the 772's?

Back in the day the B747 operated LHR-MBJ-KIN-LHR. Then LGW-MBJ-KIN-LGW. So did the DC10's from LGW. Then the B772's initially did a LGW-KIN-MBJ-KIN-LGW routing before deploying the B772 to each airport. As for loads on the B772, I have no statistical data but I read an article recently stating that the LGW-MBJ route averaged 65% since their resumption of service. Also not surprisingly, LGW-KIN attracted more high yielding passengers.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 21):
MoBay is a huge tourist destination from where, mostly Europe or the US or both?

The USA & Canada are the largest markets for visitor arrivals to Jamaica. Arrivals from Canada has seen phenomenal growth over the last two years with flights from virtually every major city there to MBJ. Europe is in third place.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 21):
I had no idea that KIN was out in the ocean like that, is the airport connected to the mainland by land fill, or is it existing land connecting it? All in all a very unusual set up.

The connection to the mainland is by a natural tombolo or spit to put it in geographical parlance. An unusual set up I think as well. The area that the runway is constructed on was partially dumped up to facilitate it as far as I know. If you look carefully you can also view the original runway a bit to the right of the main one. MBJ on the other hand is located on the coast.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 21):
Is it just one main runway? Not much room for expansion without some expensive landfill being done.

One runway and one parallel taxiway. They have room for additional gates and a new control tower etc. But should they decide to lengthen the runway, then yes they have no choice but to do additional dumping in the harbour.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 22):
Eff the end of Aug, CO will suspend their EWR-MBJ services until early NOV...The service will operate weekly in Nov, then will be upgraded to 4 a week in Dec..For the peak Dec period, flights will operate daily..

Is this the first time CO is suspending EWR-MBJ for specified periods ? Guess they have to maximise earnings as much as they possibly can by operating flights/frequencies according to season/demand.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 22):
With the increase in services coming from VS, I have a feeling MBJ will be seing both their A330 and B787s..

Wouldn't be surprised if that turns out to be the case. Still hoping for a 1x weekly MAN-MBJ from them sometime in the future as well.



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Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 21):
Maybe they heard of the BW 767's (lol). Do you have any idea if in it's heyday they filled the 772's? MoBay is a huge tourist destination from where, mostly Europe or the US or both?

The flights were filled, but the APD killed the yields..BA, with it's high cost structure, could not profitably maintain the route under the current conditions..

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 21):
I had no idea that KIN was out in the ocean like that, is the airport connected to the mainland by land fill, or is it existing land connecting it? All in all a very unusual set up.

Its connected to the mainland by a "spit"..

The strip is known as the Palisadoes Road..It is now being rehabilitated by a Chinese entity..
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/busin...Palisadoes-Shoreline-Works_7545395

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 21):
Is it just one main runway? Not much room for expansion without some expensive landfill being done.
KIN has one main runway...According to this news report, there are plans to expand the runway by 25%..

Kingston-based Norman Manley International Airport, which is up for divestment, is also planning to extend its runway by up to 25 per cent. It awaits environmental approval.

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20111111/business/business2.html

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 21):
Very nice overhead pic of KIN at the beginning.

I agree..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 23):
Is this the first time CO is suspending EWR-MBJ for specified periods ? Guess they have to maximise earnings as much as they possibly can by operating flights/frequencies according to season/demand.

I remember they pulled out in the 90s..But this is the first time they are suspending the route due to seasonal demand..

[Edited 2012-03-27 19:20:48]


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25 Post contains links GUYAIR707 : I decided to check the news reports on the APD and here is the latest: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/colum...tle-against-APD-continues_11108542 It s
26 beeweel15 : Heard that FlyJamaica is part owned by the folks involved in EZjet. Is this true anyone can confirm this.
27 guyanam : The reality is the UK fears retaliation from the USA so will treat them more favorably than the Caribbean, which they view as whining ex colonials st
28 Post contains links hummingbird : Good News for MBJ.. HAVING started flying to Montego Bay from Panama last December, Copa Airlines is looking to increase its twice weekly service by y
29 captaink : I am shocked. BW has some very good numbers.. So I guess it easily replaced JM as the dominant carrier in Jamaica.
30 guyanam : Wait for the Sept/Oct 2011 numbers before you jump for joy. THere was a severe seat shortage last summer. Two issues. First B6 underserved the JFK ro
31 Post contains links airjamaica : Very impressive that CM intends to increase their PTY-MBJ services already. I assume we will now see them doing 3x or 4x weekly. I am wondering if th
32 captaink : Nevertheless I rather comment on whats happening and it seems as though BW is doing quite well in Jamaica. And even I thought that was going to be im
33 Post contains images hummingbird : DOT Stats Sept 2011 BW FLL-KIN 13244-9168 69% KIN-FLL 13244-8257 62% JFK-KIN 10679-6683 63% KIN-JFK 10936-7277 66% FLL-MBJ 4620-2791 60% MBJ-FLL 4466-
34 trintocan : The UK APD is based on bands worked on the distances of the nations' capitals from London in miles. Band A covers countries with capitals within 2000
35 GUYAIR707 : Thanks, that makes it much clearer. It seems strange that they would treat the US and Canada as single countries, while dividing the Russian Federati
36 Post contains links GUYAIR707 : http://www.cayman27.com.ky/2012/03/3...-hits-jet-bridge-aircraft-grounded This report that a Cayman Airways 737 hit a jetway in MoBay. http://abcnews.
37 airjamaica : Very interesting stats for the month of September. I took note of the contrasting figures between some of the carriers for what is supposed to be a s
38 GUYAIR707 : My apologies I meant the Caribbean thread. GUYAIR707
39 N312RM : Yes, according to a reliable source, the marshallers directed the plane too far forward and it hit the jetway, causing damage to the leading edge dev
40 Post contains links hummingbird : I wonder what the future holds for their desire to open a base in KIN... If you notice the US carriers have gauged their frequencies for the slower m
41 yellowtail : Not so fast folks.....I know the folks from CM very well and while your theory may be true, it may also be that CM have realized that loads are actua
42 aa1818 : Don't hold your breath- they're as good as extinct! AA1818
43 hummingbird : I beg to differ....It's not over unless the fat lady sings....
44 Post contains links Fly2yyz : Didn't find anything in here when I did a search but saw this in the news: http://www.jis.gov.jm/news/leads-113/30223 Minister McNeill and Air Transat
45 airjamaica : I did spot one of their E190 in MBJ last November when I was on my way to MCO. I suspected it was operating the PHL-MBJ run, but it seem the aircraft
46 Post contains links LimaMike : http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20120403/business/business1.html Apparently Redjet has not been officially pronounced dead. They seem to be gasping
47 hummingbird : Congrats to the new Tourism Mins for pursuing a similar path as Mr Bartlett..This is big news for our Tourism Industry.. Not only will we see more fl
48 Post contains links and images airjamaica : The A321s and A319s are also used on CLT-MBJ sometimes. Below is a ( not so spectacular shot ) I got of one of their A319s on short final for runway
49 GUYAIR707 : The shot of the a/c may not be great but the blue water looks fantastic. I will be in Grenada next week, can't wait to soak in that Caribbean sea. I
50 Post contains links and images airjamaica : Indeed the water stole the spotlight in that photo ( sorry US ) lol. I did a short trip report back then which have better photos of the action at MB
51 Post contains links hummingbird : Nice pic..I can tell you took this photo on "top road" at that famous viewing spot.. The memory lives on forever..... Mr Gordon Stewart of the famed
52 Post contains links GUYAIR707 : Will do my best. Have a look at this article on an opinion of BW's return to London. http://www.centreforaviation.com/ana...-long-haul-flights-to-lon
53 guyanam : Does this mean that there will be no BW service to LGW from KIN?
54 Post contains links hummingbird : Here is a link to the story.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRmIBqW00uU Looks like Redjet will return to the skies... There are more signs this morn
55 hummingbird : There has been speculations, KIN has seen a reduction in traffic from The UK..If that is the case, there is no room for BW to compete on the KIN-LGW
56 caribbean484 : BMI does not even service LGW so I don't know what the point is, BA bought out BMI for their slots at LHR and to expand their network there. lol we w
57 airjamaica : That is '' top road '' alright. View from there is amazing. '' Butch '' had always expressed a desire to expand his Sandals brand to Barbados so this
58 trintocan : Thank Guyair707 for the kudos. Yes that was my first ever trip report on airliners.net, it even predates the Trip Reports forum which came later on i
59 Post contains links airjamaica : An interesting article here re the opportunities that exist where trade/travel between Jamaica and Brazil is concerned. The Brazilian ambassador to Ja
60 jmbweeboy : Hummingbird, thanks for posting this ! Brought back memories, my first JM flight in August 1969 on the DC861 stretch with standup bar, a lobster sala
61 Post contains links hummingbird : More news have come forth about the JTB/Air Transat deal; The airline has also been transporting a lot of perishable cargo out of Jamaica into Canada
62 airjamaica : Two disclosures I found quite noteworthy in the article is that they are working on getting some of these services to operate on a year round basis.
63 GUYAIR707 : Well I get the impression from Caribbean484 that JM ops are safe, but a possibility is that they aren't investing in JM keeping their options open. I
64 guyanam : 484 said that the KIN LGW is likely for Xmas. Maybe there are route right issues, or take off slots that are being negotiated As to the overall KIN b
65 jm079 : As of July 1- CM will now operate PTY to KIN on Sat, Fri, Tues and Wed . They will continue to operate there twice weekly flts from PTY to MBJ/
66 Post contains links hummingbird : Miami Air flew the local representatives to BDA, who will partcipate in the annual Carifta Games.. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK612 Eventuall
67 airjamaica : Very interesting. It is a while now since KIN has seen those kind of frequencies from CM. Will these 4 flights be operated with a mixture of both the
68 hummingbird : It will be an all E190 service..This is the schedule.. CM418 PTY1204 – 1348KIN E90 x146 CM417 KIN1805 – 2000PTY E90 x146 Hopefully, they will ret
69 airjamaica : 4 hours is quite a long time for the E190 to sit on the ground in KIN before returning to PTY. Good to see the frequency upgrade.
70 Post contains links hummingbird : Another BIG News for KIN... A Canadian Operational Support hub is to be established in Jamaica to provide humanitarian, peacekeeping, development and
71 Post contains links airjamaica : I expect loads to pick up by summer. As expected, Jamaica as well as other destinations will have to endure an 8% increase in the topical APD tax....
72 baje427 : Outside of SJU MBJ is one of the busiest airports in the Caribbean with that view why don't you guys have more pictures in the database you guys can r
73 Post contains links airjamaica : The thing is I am not sure if one is able to get too close to the end of 07 again as was the case in previous years. Stumbled up on this 2010 clip of
74 yellowtail : Same issue in BZE. First 60 feet of any sea, river or lagoon frontage is public. As are all docks (except for ports of entry). Sandals tried to get a
75 Post contains links hummingbird : Nice clips of arrivals on rwy 07...If advertised properly, MBJ could be the next SXM, however, getting to the active area, may raise security issues.
76 airjamaica : It is a somewhat controversial subject. I see where both sides are coming from with their stance. But personally if I was constructing a major resort
77 Post contains links hummingbird : Canjet is now operating a weekly YYZ-KIN flight on behalf of GG Tours, Canada...The service should last until May.. ----------------------------------
78 Post contains links jm079 : News is coming out of KIN that local aviation owners in Jamaica and Trinidadian investors are interested in starting a new airline to serve South Amer
79 Post contains links airjamaica : I think this is the first time C6 is visiting KIN ( ? ) Not bad at all considering all the challenges that face the industry. As much as I agree that
80 hummingbird : Yes, I believe, its the first time C6 is visiting KIN.. Am surprised FlyJam has yet to have their inaugural flight..From what I heard, they already r
81 guyanam : Golden Krust had a promotion with B6. I dont know if they have an ongoing relationship..
82 Post contains links hummingbird : Not good news for our industry..Jazz Air/Thomas Cook Airlines charter has significantly contributed to the growth of arrivals from Canada..With a new
83 airjamaica : Where is their B752 currently parked ? GEO or KIN ? OK. I see. Hopefully TS ( as well as other Canadian carriers ) will be able to fill that sudden v
84 Fly2yyz : I hope TS decides to make MBJ into what they did with PUJ and make it into a cargo focussed hub.
85 yellowtail : All beaches being public works fine in the countries where it is law in the world. If Gov't doesn't then it risks alienating its own countrymen from
86 airjamaica : That would be interesting. Looking forward to their increased presence at MBJ. Thought EG would be back again, but doesn't seem they intend to. ** I
87 Post contains links hummingbird : Redjet is now seeking financial assistance from the Guyanese Govt..Also, they are in talks with Venezuelan investors who are interested in the airline
88 guyanam : Guyanese have long clamored for the govt to restart Guyana Airways. I can imagine how "popular" spending $$$ on a PRIVATE IRISH airline based on Barb
89 airjamaica : I think today marks the end of VS's LGW-KIN-LGW service. More than likely we will see a '' farewell/goodbye '' video uploaded to YouTube shortly after
90 LimaMike : FlyJamaica's 757 is currently parked in KIN.
91 Fly2yyz : EG? I was hoping that TS would enter into doing flights for GG Tours, its surprising that they are not taking the place that Z4 was doing with GND, P
92 airjamaica : Ok. Deafening silence on their part of late....... That would have been good. If memory serve me correctly I think TS did a few adhoc rotations to KI
93 hummingbird : Guys, I am hearing some bad news about the JM operation in KIN..I will await more confirmation, but it seems they are looking at further downsizing th
94 LimaMike : Lets wait and see, but if this is indeed proven to be true it would have surprised who exactly? Given the downsizing of FLL, one of the most dominant
95 Post contains links hummingbird : According to news reports, CAL has removed the JM brand from all their airport announcements..Also, 75 pilots will be made redundant..It is unsure ho
96 Post contains links airjamaica : No surprise really. The warning signs were there loud and clear long ago, though there are those who were in denial trying to '' sugar coat '' the ob
97 A388 : Will those Air Jamaica painted 737's all be repainted in Caribbean Airlines colors? If so, when will they start repainting them and when is the last
98 guyanam : When I said the KIN ops were in trouble several people on the Caribbean thread tookPERSONA:L exception to this. Its simple. If KIN is losing $$$ then
99 Post contains images A388 : Well, I'm probably one of them who wanted more prove to this Caribbean Airlines/Air Jamaica more apparent mess so I'll take back my words now Guyanam
100 jmbweeboy : I have been very supportive of CAL's takeover of JM to this point but now some very bad decisions are being made. That said, the bleeding much be much
101 Post contains links airjamaica : Don't have any specifics on that, but from what I have been hearing in the local media, it would seem that eventually this will ultimately be the cas
102 GUYAIR707 : When I flew 4/11 JFK-GND the JM flights at JFK were announced as Caribbean Airlines. GUYAIR707
103 Post contains links airjamaica : The article I posted above seem to be focusing more on the requirements set out by the respective aviation bodies, where identification during flight
104 Post contains links hummingbird : Its obvious they failed in KIN...End of story.. One should take not that since the attempt at merging both carriers, the market in KIN has seen consi
105 A388 : Could either be a fuel stop or a government visit or maybe even a vacation. In any case I think it is government related. A388
106 guyanam : They might as ell just drop "Air Jamaica". What sense does it make to the average passenger to be told they are on Air Jamaica when they book, but Ca
107 Post contains links and images airjamaica : Have no idea. Haven't heard about any special events taking place here. My thought is maybe a fuel stop. Would be great if someone was able to take s
108 Post contains links hummingbird : Guys, B6 will commence service on the KIN-FLL leg on Mon....At first the loads were low in the single digits, but I just checked and the loads are now
109 Post contains images airjamaica : There is a lot of buzz here regarding this new B6 link to Jamaica. Not bad loads for an E190 inaugural service on that short sector. I also note that
110 guyanam : What is interesting is how segregated the comments on CALs KIN base are. Many comments on the other side where Jcan posters do not comment. TRini pos
111 Post contains links hummingbird : First flight is now full,second flight should fill by Sunday.. I hope they continue with their expansion...I forsee them going to SJU to replace Eagl
112 beeweel15 : Well Guyanam in the beginning there was one Caribbean Group here to discuss and talk about Caribbean Aviation which focused on the Whole Caribbean. H
113 airjamaica : Time will ultimately tell. If what Mr. Lalor disclosed recently is indeed factual ( and personally I don't know why he would make such disclosures to
114 guyanam : The way I also see it was a lot of flag waving by the T&T faction not willing to listen to views of people from other parts of the Caribbean. The
115 A388 : I don't know what to believe and what not with Caribbean Airlines and Air Jamaica. Is it that bad or not? If it was that bad, why is the first ATR72-6
116 Post contains links and images hummingbird : Heads up guys..A UA B739 is now enroute to KIN from BDA..The aircraft will continue to MIA from KIN.. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL1821 http:
117 beeweel15 : Don't stop and think only Jamaican and Guyanese have gone through the so called bad service many trini people go through it also. I myself have exper
118 airjamaica : What is the purpose of this unusual routing with the B739 by UA ? ........in addition to virtually everything else. Therefore the depiction on the ou
119 hummingbird : Today is the 'big day" guys, KIN will create history with 3 inaugural flights in one day.. The two B6 services which were showing 90s load on the E190
120 A388 : I know that but how bad is the situation really between Caribbean Airlines and Air Jamaica? Logical thinking would suggest that if the situation real
121 Post contains links GUYAIR707 : I agree 100% why would they paint the ATR in JM colours?? Very confusing, but someone on the other thread said JM is not being let go and I trust his
122 guyanam : And this is why when some posters here stated categorically that "Guyanese love BWIA/CAL" , I had to correct tham. Then some screamed that I had a pe
123 trintocan : That's shocking to read. Really POS need to get their act together. While we all tend to disagree on some contentious issues, I think we can all agre
124 Post contains links hummingbird : NEW YORK, USA — More than a year after the divestment of their Air Jamaica, many Jamaicans here remain upset over the sale, with more joining the ra
125 GUYAIR707 : That would be a great move. GUYAIR707
126 yellowtail : Then that means it is still a few years off for B6.
127 A388 : Again I ask my question for the third time: Why invest in the new "Air Jamaica" with brandnew aircraft if the situation between Caribbean Airlines an
128 guyanam : Most Guyanese consider Piarco to be the gateway to hell. Maybe thats why EZjet appears to be doing well as most Guyanese probably dont know that CAL
129 A388 : I will ask my question again for the fourth time, can anyone explain why Caribbean Airlines is sending brandnew aircraft to Air Jamaica? A388
130 GUYAIR707 : YYZ-GEO will now be an important run what with Reunion from Quebec starting to mine for Manganese, and U308 from Toronto looking to mine for Uranium.
131 Post contains links and images airjamaica : Was expecting them to upgrade sooner than later. They will play on their strengths. ( very competitive fares and a good inflight product ) Wonder wha
132 Post contains links hummingbird : All the hard work has paid off for "Brand Jamaica"..The country recorded a 19% increase in arrivals for 2011..This is a huge accomplishment despite th
133 A388 : Everybody can write articles so I'm not sure what you mean by your reply. The only thing that I am asking and still haven't gotten an answer on is wh
134 Caymanair : 1) Regardless of the details of the situation it is clear that this BW/ JM set up is not performing to standard. It might be because of issues related
135 A388 : If Caribbean Airlines is not even accepted by Jamaicans through a take-over, how on earth will they be accepted by the same Jamaicans if Air Jamaica
136 guyanam : This is not "any one can write articles". This is about comments made by Dennis Lalor. If these comments were not accurately reported he would have d
137 airjamaica : Good that DE will be operating FRA-MBJ 2x weekly nonstop. I heard on the news yesterday that flights between SVO-MBJ could soon become a reality with
138 A388 : Okay that is being said but why can't anyone explain why Caribbean Airlines is sending brandnew aircraft to Air Jamaica if the situation is that bad?
139 Post contains links hummingbird : There has not been a press release from BW stating whether, the ATR in JM colours will be sent to Jamaica..For, now, its pure speculation... To answe
140 A388 : I assume an aircraft is not painted for an airline if the aircraft isn't going to the airline it is painted for... In this case, the topic is too rep
141 LimaMike : Amen! That dead horse has been flogged over and over and over! At the end of the day whoever feel the need to fly other carriers for whatever reason
142 Post contains images airjamaica : Seem Mr. Nicholas and some other posters on this website wasn't aware of that, based on what they were saying previously where profits were concerned
143 Caymanair : What a confusion.... If BW leaves KIN-NAS, what will the remaining service options be?
144 A388 : Also remember that we are talking about the ATR72 here and the 738 which can rotate between POS and Jamaica easily due to its range. The ATR72 can't
145 LimaMike : Very well, but I simply made the point that I did in reference to you alluding to the fact that BW has painted one of its ATR72 in "JM" colours as ev
146 A388 : Don't know where you got that but I didn't say or imply this. Point taken, we see where it all ends, as you say. I'm still confused regarding the Air
147 Post contains links jm079 : [quote=hummingbird,reply=119][/quoted WS service to KIN is seasonally and will end on 21 Sept but I understand that they will assess how the route per
148 LimaMike : Noticed that BW has re-instated BW31 which was previously axed in a move which reduced KIN-FLL to only 2x daily, with the first flight being a late mo
149 Post contains links airjamaica : AA/MQ - KIN-MIA-NAS NK - KIN-FLL-NAS B6 - KIN-FLL-NAS Of course the above options would not be the most ideal, with visa requirements and connection.
150 GUYAIR707 : I read this article and it is inappropriate for him to make this statement. CAL bought Air Jamaica as a going business and the risks involved with it
151 guyanam : Well with these comments made by the GofRTT its now clear that KIN isnt working and there is increasingly bad blood about this. Well factually he is
152 Post contains links jm079 : Aeroflot has received permission to fly to Jamaica and is now doing there feasibility studies of doing charters to MBJ. This was announced in KIN tod
153 LimaMike : To be honest this has been one of my biggest pet peeves in the whole BW/ JM saga. Way too often there have been utterances by some posters/commentato
154 Post contains images airjamaica : One would have thought that they knew what they were getting into when they decided to set up shop in KIN. Maybe they did bite off more than they cou
155 hummingbird : Perhaps, Western Air will re-enter the market.. I have no doubt they will return for the winter season..AC surprisingly has maintained dominance on t
156 guyanam : CALs KIN operations were part of Emperor Patrick Manning's empire building. You are perfectly correct that KIN is large enough to attract carriers if
157 yellowtail : Well you can join us other Caribbean folk doing the pilgrimage thru MIA to get there.
158 airjamaica : Was trying to recall the name of this carrier. Wasn't certain if they were still operational. I was not even aware of that. Interesting. But come to
159 beeweel15 : Why cant we West Indians take a business page from the Airline we are getting the B767-300 from LAN. LAN consists of 6 air carriers from 5 countries
160 Post contains links hummingbird : Major changes ahead for BW's Jamaican operations.. Within two weeks action will be taken to stop the haemorrhaging of finances at Caribbean Airlines (
161 Post contains images LimaMike : My bet is on JFK, FLL, and YYZ being saved and everything else get axed, including the remaining jobs. Come on, applaud the effort
162 GUYAIR707 : I found that CAL did a good job improving on BWIA, what went wrong with JM? They should have used the same consultants they used when they were chang
163 guyanam : What went wrong is not anticipating resistance from Jcans upset that their "Little Piece of Jamaica" no longer flies, so not ensuring reliable servic
164 Post contains images A388 : Regarding Caribbean Airlines/Air Jamaica axing unprofitable route, what are the chances of the SXM flights being axed all together? And what about Air
165 guyanam : SXM is a core CAL route so that should be fine. Its the Jca USA/Bahamas routes that are under scrutiny. Some one said that PHL/NAS will go. Leaving F
166 airjamaica : The competitors will not be making it any easier for them should only those three North American routes remain. They will have to tackle DL and B6 on
167 jm079 : Politicians can say anything they want to say to suite there local population and in this case its a classic case of a politician making empty noise.
168 A388 : I suppose this can be agreed upon when renegiotiated (even though this may be a tough task). A388
169 guyanam : I really dont see why BW is obligated to maintain service to any NA gateways out of Jca if they arent profitable. After all no US carrier has that ob
170 airjamaica : That is the first question I asked myself when I read the article. The statement makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
171 AA1818 : I'm guessing it is to maintain the designation of National Carrier from the GoJ in order to hold the rights between Jamaican and the US or Jamaica an
172 guyanam : The CAL acquisition of JM routes was a fiasco. They should have stayed in their core market. Instead they ventured into a market with different dynam
173 Post contains links hummingbird : URGENT ADVISORY - CARIBBEAN AIRLINES DISCONTINUES ITS MONTEGO BAY/PHILADELPHIA ROUTE EFFECTIVE 01 JULY 2012 From 01 July 2012, Caribbean Airlines wil
174 LimaMike : No surprises here. Perhaps also on the horizon is NAS, and the KIN-MCO tag on the POS-MCO. I also would not be surprised to see them drop some of tho
175 Post contains links and images hummingbird : I was told Redjet will restart services before the summer..They are waiting for the capital injection from the BGI Govt... BW will focus on FLL,YYZ a
176 guyanam : They have already combined the KIN SXM POS with the KIN BGI POS Wed flight. So its now 10X. Maybe the others will be cut in Sept after the busy summe
177 Post contains images hummingbird : I came across these two ads..Draw your own conclusions, but AFAIK, the JM brand is dead..
178 Post contains links airjamaica : YYZ is a very sprawling and massive facility from what I can see in the photo. Never been to Canada before. Must try it out one of these days. I gues
179 hummingbird : They should enjoy this moment while it last..Am hoping FlyJamaica can get their documents in order to commence service before the summer travel perio
180 Post contains links hummingbird : Finance Minister Dr. Peter Philips says discussions are being held with US-based airlines to fill the void, which would result from the pending withdr
181 airjamaica : I recall they operated the KIN-ATL route back in 2009 with the CRJ, as I was contemplating flying with them, or AA KIN-MIA-ATL ( which I eventually c
182 LimaMike : I'm not sure what "void" BW 's departure from PHL-MBJ has created and what "discussions" are being held. US Airways has dominated the route, operatin
183 airjamaica : Heard on the news this morning that they are in talks with FL, as well as '' other '' carriers. And 4x on some Saturdays during the peak periods. I w
184 Post contains links hummingbird : I wonder if we would see SW operate their B738 into MBJ for the summer travel... Am pretty sure The GOJ will have to head down the subsidy road for t
185 Post contains links airjamaica : At some point WN's B738s will end up in MBJ. Would be good to have them here for summer,but I have my doubts. I think US is quite capable of handling
186 guyanam : Maybe the B6 service out of FLL is pulling some away from AA on the MIA KIN. After all some of thes emight have been people who didnt want to use BW
187 Post contains links and images A388 : Hey guys, I thaught you might like my latest photo. It is the cargo route operated to Curacao by a Saab340 freighter of Exec Direct Aviation: View Lar
188 Post contains links hummingbird : With the pullout of BW from the market, we may eventually see US deploy only B757s on the route.... I always thought with the issues with ADP, 4 per
189 GUYAIR707 : Was PHL a "profitable" route, or was it just borderline and BW hoped to build it? Do you have any idea whether the 6 routes they have to maintain wil
190 Post contains images yellowtail : IMHO it is coming.... DL has learnt a lot about marketing in more VFR markets since their KIN experiment and should be ready to make it work. a good
191 guyanam : AirJa started PHL route in Dec 1971. The route was always a success for JM with high loads factors. The fact is that CAL does not know how to market
192 jm079 : Thanks HB for posting those pics. More to come. Two thumbs up to CAL. I like there service from YYZ - flt was on time, comfortable seats and enough l
193 airjamaica : I am certain some Jamaicans in the Miami area will make the trek to FLL to catch B6 to KIN. 4x weekly B744 on LGW-MBJ that was initially proposed by
194 guyanam : [quote=jm079,reply=192] This Trini fdocus seems to be due to T&T work permit rules, at least this is the general excuse. LIAT has inflight crews f
195 Post contains links hummingbird : I hope they will hurry and take advantage of the growing demand for seats out of KIN... That would be a great move on their part.... Prior to the sal
196 guyanam : Patrick Manning wanted to build his Caribbean empire and so rushed in. Now CAL is drained for cash. The present BoD and the past BoD can do the blame
197 yellowtail : JFK-KIN on DL could give B6 a run for their money....the LGA-Caribbean stuff is all places that have pre clearance.
198 guyanam : Here is the rub. Many of the people who use B6 to KIN are also regular travelers to Florida, so might be tied to their FF miles. So maybe DL might mo
199 airjamaica : They can now add WS to that list as well. The different operating environment in KIN was highlighted several times over in the past, but there were t
200 jm079 : Delta will be going daily - JFK to MBJ effective the fall of 2012. It was announced on the weekend. Are they planning on returning to KIN from JFK too
201 Post contains links hummingbird : New thread is up.. A Hop To Sir Turtle Land....Jamaican Thread # 44 (by hummingbird May 23 2012 in Civil Aviation)
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