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Rumor-Delta Considering Leaving Skyteam!  
User currently offlined93 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 10 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 19905 times:

My brother in law is a 777 pilot. He said there are rumblings that Delta may consider leaving Skyteam and forming a new alliance with strategic carriers. Delta is looking to position themselves as the "Tiffany" carrier in the US, and align itself with other carriers with the same goals and reputation. He said Emirates and the different Virgin airlines were mentioned, as well as picking off Qantas and BA from One World given the uncertainty with AA.

He also mentioned a complete change to Skymiles, designing it specifically for corporate and high spend travelers and not to the benefit of low spend mileage runners or segment flyers. Lastly he also mentioned cutbacks in capacity to reflect the focus on high dollar high margin travelers.

I'm shocked

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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21516 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 19875 times:

Just remember, pilots know very little about the future plans of their airline...


Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlinehiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2172 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 19872 times:

may be april 1 on your brother's phone 

SkyTeam is DL's creation and the second largest of all the alliances


User currently offlineIndependence76 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 19827 times:

This simply will not happen. Delta is to SkyTeam as AA is to Oneworld as Lufthansa is to Star Alliance.

I think ATL already has multiple sufficient SkyTeam connections, so they gives Delta little or no reason to start a new alliance from scratch.



"In general, pride is at the bottom of all great mistakes." - John Ruskin
User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 19710 times:
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Quoting hiflyer (Reply 2):
may be april 1 on your brother's phone

I agree with you, the first real 1 April joke around on the A-net!  

No way that DL - as a money-losing airline - establish a new alliance with profitable alone-standing (4-star) airlines such as Virgin and Emirates. Forget about a corporation between VS and BA, I don't believe that.

Anyway, in this difficult era for aviation, we can never say 'never'.


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21516 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 19608 times:

DL isn't losing money. And VS isn't a 4-star airline anymore is it?


Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineCuriousFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 693 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 19409 times:

Unlikely. I doubt pilots would even say this. On top of this DL is in a JV with ST partners AFKL, sharing all profits over the Atlantic. This would be very complicated to dismantle. Also all ST airlines are in the process of adopting DL's Sky Priority program for elite and premium passengers.

None of this points to DL leaving Skyteam. It is also a great advantage for DL to be ST's only US airline now they let CO out a few yers ago, it lets them get all the benefits of codeshares to/from/in the US.


User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 19316 times:

After all the recent work we are currently doing with SkyTeam and the other stuff we are adding, we're not leaving, if we were we would not be one of the first to roll out the new Sky Priority.

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 4):
No way that DL - as a money-losing airline - establish a new alliance with profitable alone-standing (4-star) airlines such as Virgin and Emirates. Forget about a corporation between VS and BA, I don't believe that.

Money losing?? guess our books were wrong on our $1.2 billion profit for 2011

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1532



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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3972 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 19251 times:
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I could perhaps, in a distant far away world, see EK enter into some sort of an alliance with a US carrier, but I can't see in this life or the next BA and EK ever being partners. What could BA bring to EK that they can't do, and don't do already, on their own?

And that doesn't even address the hell-freezes-over likelihood of an alliance including BA and Virgin anything.

[Edited 2012-03-20 12:30:13]


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User currently onlinebastew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 19248 times:

I can see some sort of tie up with DL and VS. I reckon either VS will join Skyteam or will apply with ATI for joint transatlantic operations with DL.

I can imagine all the alliances are courting the middle eastern mega carriers as well. But I don't think they are interested at the moment. Part of being in an alliance is not stepping on the toes of your partners and I don't think EK etc will want to consult with anyone outside their airline as to where they launch new destinations to. Though again, perhaps on some routes they will operate codeshares/joint operations etc. Or indeed buy shares of airlines which is what Etihad is seemingly doing at the moment. That in itself could shake things up among the alliances. Bearing in mind that Etihad has just brought a chunk of Air Berlin, a OneWorld carrier and also launched a Joint Venture between Australia and Abu Dhabi and beyond with Virgin Australia....an airline about as anti OneWorld that one could imagine.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 19246 times:

One word...BULL

HAve a nice day  



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User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 19071 times:
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Quoting ikramerica (Reply 5):

DL isn't losing money.
Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 7):
Money losing?? guess our books were wrong on our $1.2 billion profit for 2011

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43...=1532

Guys, you are completely right. I was thinking of AMR.....they are definitely losing money, DL is indeed profitable.


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6465 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 18968 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 1):
Just remember, pilots know very little about the future plans of their airline...


Exactly, pilots are probably the least informed of any employee group from their airline regarding any info beside actually flying the aircraft


User currently offlineTWA85 From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 18652 times:

If DL wanted to be in an alliance with BA and QF so bad, they would be better off proposing a Skyteam/Oneworld merger. I can actually see this happening some time in the not so distant future as it would create a more even global balance between Star and Skyteam/Oneworld.

User currently offlinetimf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 969 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 18493 times:
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Why would Delta want to partner with the Virgin airlines at the same time as picking off QF and BA from oneworld? These airlines are major competitors and would never end up in the same alliance. This rumor just sounds like a lot of misinformation that has suffered the telephone effect while being passed from person to person. Adding more carriers like Virgin and Emirates (a long shot) to SkyTeam? Sure. Ditching all the existing partners and starting fresh? Dream on.

User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 18463 times:

Quoting hiflyer (Reply 2):
may be april 1
Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 4):
first real 1 April joke around on the A-net!
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 10):
.BULL

I learned a long time ago never to believe any rumor that comes from the cockpit or the galley.  


User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 18395 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 12):
Exactly, pilots are probably the least informed of any employee group from their airline regarding any info beside actually flying the aircraft

No kidding. I learned about the AMR bankruptcy HERE before I ever heard word from the company, and I continue to receive the bulk of my bankruptcy info from the USA Today. And as stated, pilots aren't to be trusted when it comes to rumors. On long flights a favorite pastime for many of us is trying to come up with amusing rumors and see how long it takes it to show up around the company and the internet.  


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9353 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 18243 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 12):

Exactly, pilots are probably the least informed of any employee group from their airline regarding any info beside actually flying the aircraft

This.
Though its a nice change from the DFW hub rumor that gets fired up 4 times a year.   



yep.
User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4169 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 18102 times:

Delta wants to be the "Tiffany" US Carrier???

As much as I love Delta, and really I do, they have quite a way to go....



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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3062 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 17292 times:

Quoting d93 (Thread starter):
Delta is looking to position themselves as the "Tiffany" carrier in the US

Well...they are the Deltalina carrier in the US...why would they want to be the Tiffany carrier?  duck 

[Edited 2012-03-20 16:22:24]


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User currently offlinecbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1552 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 17250 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 12):
Exactly, pilots are probably the least informed of any employee group from their airline regarding any info beside actually flying the aircraft

nonsense... you forgot the flight attendant group  

If I had a nickle for every rumor a pilot told me that did not come true, I would be a billionaire by now!



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User currently offlinepenguins From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 334 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 17137 times:

The title says all: RUMOR.

User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 954 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 16712 times:

I can see changes to Skymiles program, the rest well .....unfounded.

User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 16594 times:

Highly unlikely.

The only thing I will say is that handpicking strategic partners outside of alliances are becoming increasingly important to carriers, but a carrier like DL will never leave a big alliance that they formed. Potentially they may look to create non-skyteam partners that suit their own carrier's requirements and not sky team as a whole, but ultimately it would be to supplement the skyteam alliance not to detract from it.


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1716 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 16620 times:
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Quoting d93 (Thread starter):
My brother in law is a 777 pilot.

Yeah there is a credible source.

Quoting d93 (Thread starter):
Tiffany" carrier in the US, and align itself with other carriers with the same goals and reputation

The US markets is commodity driven as far as airlines go. "Tiffany" type carriers have been tried before and have failed. We'll see how long the "Tiffany" type branding and service last once Spirit and their hundreds of A320s begin really trashing the US market in the mid 2010s.

Quoting d93 (Thread starter):
He also mentioned a complete change to Skymiles, designing it specifically for corporate and high spend travelers and not to the benefit of low spend mileage runners or segment flyers

This I can see happening as the number of US legacies declines. In Canada discount fare travellers on AC, dont get the full miles flown.


25 LOWS : That's how its been in Europe (Miles&More, FlyingBlue, eg.) for some time. Also flights don't earn the exact miles flown, but instead preset leve
26 Post contains images PHX787 : hahahahahaha yeeaaahh Who needs "Tiffany" when you got Deltalina In all seriousness, I see no use for DL leaving Skyteam..... UNLESS a merger with AA
27 AAExecplat : Seriously...DL leaving Skyteam and cherrypicking off BA and VS...that won't have any regulatory hurdles at all...and they'll probably do that right af
28 AAIL86 : Right on - unless Delta merged with AA and the new airline decided on oneworld. There's no reason at all for DL to leave Skyteam otherwise.... it wou
29 Post contains images RyanairGuru : I don't for a moment think it was happening, but was thinking that as a paper concept it wasn't a bad idea until this statement. British Airways and
30 lhr380 : Take BA and QF from Oneworld? The 2 founding airlines. HAHAHAHA...
31 ghifty : Interesting. But why would DL, or any carrier for that matter, have to leave whatever their alliance they're currently in to improve their service lev
32 Post contains images lightsaber : Seriously, Who would DL partner with to replace AF/KL and KE? Let's focus on Europe, DL could only switch to a partner who has a hub with * significan
33 Post contains images ASA : I thought drinking and flying were a no-no ?!!
34 nyc2theworld : Seriously who? It would have to be enough to get someone else to make the effort to leave...and that is a lot to overcome. LH?? Founding member of *A
35 mayor : [ Been my experience that the pilot group is the least informed and the ones most likely to start BS rumors. Not gonna happen.
36 slcdeltarumd11 : I cant see this they are locked in to skyteam and AA is locked into oneworld and UA is locked into star. The frequent traveler would be the one hurt b
37 Post contains images PHX787 : DL's ops at CDG and AMS are exactly why they aren't leaving Skyteam, when you're strictly looking at European service. I don't think that there's any
38 DeltaL1011man : and even then I expect Oneworld and Skyteam to do more of a merger vs going at it without a US partner. (and most of the carriers would fit together.
39 ual777uk : Wow, had to check my calender to make sure it was not April 1st! More chance of me being the next Pope than this happening.. The only way I can see DL
40 RyanairGuru : Sarcastic hence the smiley.
41 Post contains images gulfstream650 : And while they're at it they will seek to add G650s and BBJs to the fleet.
42 incitatus : I really just love this analogy! Tiffany carriers do not exist because they cannot survive. The business of large airlines is mass transportation. Ti
43 pqdtw : If Delta were considering being the "Tiffany" airline, it would not be rolling out new Fare Class E fares, which are now called Basic Economy. This is
44 Post contains images fxramper : Heard they are looking at merging with AA and would consider going to One World to make it happen.
45 Post contains images AAIL86 : Trust me, your preaching to the choir on that one! And don't even get me started on the surviving brand Agreed.... but who knows, maybe some white sm
46 Post contains images fxramper : Lobbyists have already been feeling out the possibility of the AA/DL marriage. Would love to see it happen and have the AA livery survive. A DL 747 i
47 brilondon : My thoughts exactly, I don't think that anybody working for the current airline would be of a great value information wise. We also can opt out altog
48 Post contains images modesto2 : Amusing rumor. As a former pilot, I learned long ago to never listen to pilot and flight attendant rumors. They think they know - but they rarely know
49 bobnwa : And where do these rumors come from that is a reliable source? Please do not use A net as a reliable source.
50 LXa332 : As much as I'd like to see Emirates in an alliance, it definitely won't be with DL. As for the Virgin airlines, they definitely won't go into allianc
51 Byrdluvs747 : Did everyone here collectively lose their minds? Keep dreaming. The EU would be up in arms at the idea of BA/IB and AF/KL in an alliance. The DOJ woul
52 LHCVG : That reminds me of the old OH rumor, back around 2005-2006 when a friend was an OH ramper at CVG, that DL wanted to add 738s to OH's fleet (it was nev
53 Delimit : Given the content, perhaps the thread should have been titled: Rumor: Delta to Commit Suicide.
54 usflyer msp : I could see Oneworld and Skyteam merging and then dropping some of the weak Skyteam carriers. Combined OW/ST North America Delta American Alaska Aerom
55 bobloblaw : Im sure you love it when you see what happens to air fares when the USA is left with two legacy carriers.
56 Post contains links delta2ual : They'd be stupid to let China Southern go. They have a huge network in China. http://www.centreforaviation.com/ana...an-european-hubs-this-decade-666
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