d93 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 10 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 20624 times:
My brother in law is a 777 pilot. He said there are rumblings that Delta may consider leaving Skyteam and forming a new alliance with strategic carriers. Delta is looking to position themselves as the "Tiffany" carrier in the US, and align itself with other carriers with the same goals and reputation. He said Emirates and the different Virgin airlines were mentioned, as well as picking off Qantas and BA from One World given the uncertainty with AA.
He also mentioned a complete change to Skymiles, designing it specifically for corporate and high spend travelers and not to the benefit of low spend mileage runners or segment flyers. Lastly he also mentioned cutbacks in capacity to reflect the focus on high dollar high margin travelers.
I agree with you, the first real 1 April joke around on the A-net!
No way that DL - as a money-losing airline - establish a new alliance with profitable alone-standing (4-star) airlines such as Virgin and Emirates. Forget about a corporation between VS and BA, I don't believe that.
Anyway, in this difficult era for aviation, we can never say 'never'.
CuriousFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 805 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 20128 times:
Unlikely. I doubt pilots would even say this. On top of this DL is in a JV with ST partners AFKL, sharing all profits over the Atlantic. This would be very complicated to dismantle. Also all ST airlines are in the process of adopting DL's Sky Priority program for elite and premium passengers.
None of this points to DL leaving Skyteam. It is also a great advantage for DL to be ST's only US airline now they let CO out a few yers ago, it lets them get all the benefits of codeshares to/from/in the US.
burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7865 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 20035 times:
After all the recent work we are currently doing with SkyTeam and the other stuff we are adding, we're not leaving, if we were we would not be one of the first to roll out the new Sky Priority.
Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 4): No way that DL - as a money-losing airline - establish a new alliance with profitable alone-standing (4-star) airlines such as Virgin and Emirates. Forget about a corporation between VS and BA, I don't believe that.
Money losing?? guess our books were wrong on our $1.2 billion profit for 2011
blueflyer From Tuvalu, joined Jan 2006, 4780 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 19970 times:
I could perhaps, in a distant far away world, see EK enter into some sort of an alliance with a US carrier, but I can't see in this life or the next BA and EK ever being partners. What could BA bring to EK that they can't do, and don't do already, on their own?
And that doesn't even address the hell-freezes-over likelihood of an alliance including BA and Virgin anything.
[Edited 2012-03-20 12:30:13]
When we unleash the dogs of war we must go where they take us
bastew From Madagascar, joined Sep 2006, 1144 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 19967 times:
I can see some sort of tie up with DL and VS. I reckon either VS will join Skyteam or will apply with ATI for joint transatlantic operations with DL.
I can imagine all the alliances are courting the middle eastern mega carriers as well. But I don't think they are interested at the moment. Part of being in an alliance is not stepping on the toes of your partners and I don't think EK etc will want to consult with anyone outside their airline as to where they launch new destinations to. Though again, perhaps on some routes they will operate codeshares/joint operations etc. Or indeed buy shares of airlines which is what Etihad is seemingly doing at the moment. That in itself could shake things up among the alliances. Bearing in mind that Etihad has just brought a chunk of Air Berlin, a OneWorld carrier and also launched a Joint Venture between Australia and Abu Dhabi and beyond with Virgin Australia....an airline about as anti OneWorld that one could imagine.
TWA85 From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 19371 times:
If DL wanted to be in an alliance with BA and QF so bad, they would be better off proposing a Skyteam/Oneworld merger. I can actually see this happening some time in the not so distant future as it would create a more even global balance between Star and Skyteam/Oneworld.
timf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 986 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 19212 times:
Why would Delta want to partner with the Virgin airlines at the same time as picking off QF and BA from oneworld? These airlines are major competitors and would never end up in the same alliance. This rumor just sounds like a lot of misinformation that has suffered the telephone effect while being passed from person to person. Adding more carriers like Virgin and Emirates (a long shot) to SkyTeam? Sure. Ditching all the existing partners and starting fresh? Dream on.
Acey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1613 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 19114 times:
Quoting bobnwa (Reply 12): Exactly, pilots are probably the least informed of any employee group from their airline regarding any info beside actually flying the aircraft
No kidding. I learned about the AMR bankruptcy HERE before I ever heard word from the company, and I continue to receive the bulk of my bankruptcy info from the USA Today. And as stated, pilots aren't to be trusted when it comes to rumors. On long flights a favorite pastime for many of us is trying to come up with amusing rumors and see how long it takes it to show up around the company and the internet.
aerorobnz From Rwanda, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 8082 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 17313 times:
The only thing I will say is that handpicking strategic partners outside of alliances are becoming increasingly important to carriers, but a carrier like DL will never leave a big alliance that they formed. Potentially they may look to create non-skyteam partners that suit their own carrier's requirements and not sky team as a whole, but ultimately it would be to supplement the skyteam alliance not to detract from it.
Quoting d93 (Thread starter): Tiffany" carrier in the US, and align itself with other carriers with the same goals and reputation
The US markets is commodity driven as far as airlines go. "Tiffany" type carriers have been tried before and have failed. We'll see how long the "Tiffany" type branding and service last once Spirit and their hundreds of A320s begin really trashing the US market in the mid 2010s.
Quoting d93 (Thread starter): He also mentioned a complete change to Skymiles, designing it specifically for corporate and high spend travelers and not to the benefit of low spend mileage runners or segment flyers
This I can see happening as the number of US legacies declines. In Canada discount fare travellers on AC, dont get the full miles flown.
: That's how its been in Europe (Miles&More, FlyingBlue, eg.) for some time. Also flights don't earn the exact miles flown, but instead preset leve
: hahahahahaha yeeaaahh Who needs "Tiffany" when you got Deltalina In all seriousness, I see no use for DL leaving Skyteam..... UNLESS a merger with AA
: Seriously...DL leaving Skyteam and cherrypicking off BA and VS...that won't have any regulatory hurdles at all...and they'll probably do that right af
: Right on - unless Delta merged with AA and the new airline decided on oneworld. There's no reason at all for DL to leave Skyteam otherwise.... it wou
: I don't for a moment think it was happening, but was thinking that as a paper concept it wasn't a bad idea until this statement. British Airways and
: Take BA and QF from Oneworld? The 2 founding airlines. HAHAHAHA...
: Interesting. But why would DL, or any carrier for that matter, have to leave whatever their alliance they're currently in to improve their service lev
: Seriously, Who would DL partner with to replace AF/KL and KE? Let's focus on Europe, DL could only switch to a partner who has a hub with * significan
: I thought drinking and flying were a no-no ?!!
: Seriously who? It would have to be enough to get someone else to make the effort to leave...and that is a lot to overcome. LH?? Founding member of *A
: [ Been my experience that the pilot group is the least informed and the ones most likely to start BS rumors. Not gonna happen.
: I cant see this they are locked in to skyteam and AA is locked into oneworld and UA is locked into star. The frequent traveler would be the one hurt b
: DL's ops at CDG and AMS are exactly why they aren't leaving Skyteam, when you're strictly looking at European service. I don't think that there's any
: and even then I expect Oneworld and Skyteam to do more of a merger vs going at it without a US partner. (and most of the carriers would fit together.
: Wow, had to check my calender to make sure it was not April 1st! More chance of me being the next Pope than this happening.. The only way I can see DL