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AA To End CBA's With 9 Unions...  
User currently offlineGEN2STEW From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 96 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 15294 times:

Does this mean that AA intends to impose it own terms on the Unions...? See attaches article from Reuters News Service:


NEW YORK (Reuters) - AMR Corp , the bankrupt parent of American Airlines, will ask a U.S. bankruptcy court to reject nine collective bargaining agreements with unions, after failing to secure cost-cutting concessions from its labor groups, Bloomberg News reported on Wednesday.

Barring any last-minute agreement during ongoing negotiations with its unions, AMR will seek court approval to terminate the union contracts within a week in the Manhattan bankruptcy court, Bloomberg said, citing two sources it did not name.


AMR to seek termination of union contracts: Bloomberg

[Edited 2012-03-22 10:10:53 by SA7700]


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User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5521 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 15282 times:

This was inevitable.


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User currently offlinedelta2ual From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14808 times:

Why wouldn't AA agree to binding arbitration? The unions (at least the APFA) have pushed for this. Why is the company afraid to let a neutral third party decide upon a fair agreement? I'm all for companies doing what they need to do for survival, but when they want to just throw out 9 contracts and not use an arbitrator, it just makes it sound like they want to cut more than they actually need.


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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5474 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14789 times:

Unsurprising, IMO. If they hadn't at least threatened this, going into Chapter 11 would have been pointless.

Quoting delta2ual (Reply 2):
Why wouldn't AA agree to binding arbitration?

What incentive does AA have to do that? It will likely get better terms by rejecting the agreements.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7620 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14659 times:

Quoting delta2ual (Reply 2):
Why wouldn't AA agree to binding arbitration?

9 months ago, Im sure they would have.

Now, its too little too late.



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User currently offlineJFKPurser From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 486 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14254 times:

Quoting delta2ual (Reply 2):

Why wouldn't AA agree to binding arbitration? The unions (at least the APFA) have pushed for this. Why is the company afraid to let a neutral third party decide upon a fair agreement? I'm all for companies doing what they need to do for survival, but when they want to just throw out 9 contracts and not use an arbitrator, it just makes it sound like they want to cut more than they actually need.

Exactly right. Right now, AA's FA costs are alms at par with DL. Just freezing the FA pension plan brings AA to a very competitive position relative to UA and DL. The remainder of what AA is demanding in its term sheet, at least as far as FAs go, is an attempt to use the BK process to get its costs substantially below UA/DL, even though that's not what they are admitting. The arbitrator would have basically leveled AA's costs with UA and DL. And that would have meant that AA would have gotten only a fraction of the items on its list. So it comes as no surprise that AA would say no to binding arbitration, even though that would be most fair.

Once the 1113 motion is filed, it is up to the judge to determine if AA ever really bargained in good faith. And the fact that they have 9 contracts they were unable to achieve any agreements on does not serve them well. It is now up to each union to argue that case to the judge, and to present real cost analyses on each term compared to AA's versions, which AA has in past contract negotiations skewed to their advantage. It's no secret they are doing that now. The judge can then either grant AA everything it is asking for, or -- if he believes AA has not bargained in good faith -- send everyone back to the bargaining table, at which point some sort of mutual agreement will be expected.


User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4015 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14229 times:

Quoting JFKPurser (Reply 5):
Exactly right. Right now, AA's FA costs are alms at par with DL.

I am so glad we have an unbiased, uninterested party like yourself telling everybody the truth.  



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User currently offlineASFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1174 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14108 times:

Quoting incitatus (Reply 6):

Oh please, nobody here is "unbiased". You have the union haters, the armchair CEO's, the airplane lovers that think airline employees should work for free so the skies will be filled with lots of fun airplanes for them to look at and you have the airline employees. Nobody is "unbiased", we all have opinions - some stronger than others. For most here, airlines is a hobby, for the airline employees here it's the way they make their living. Their bias should at least be understood even if you don't agree.


User currently offlineLDVAviation From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 1069 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14107 times:

Quoting JFKPurser (Reply 5):
Exactly right. Right now, AA's FA costs are alms at par with DL.

Come on! Who is telling you this stuff?

"[Laura] Glading also does not mention that her flight attendants are the highest paid among her network peers according to MIT’s Airline Data Project; the least productive in terms of hours flown per month; generally lagging in terms of passengers served per flight attendant equivalent; and the beneficiary of a relatively costly benefit package."

Excerpt from "What would Yoda say to the APFA?," Swelblog 04/19/10. If you go to the article on Swelblog, you will find the links to the MIT Airline Data Project.


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14002 times:

Quoting sccutler (Reply 1):
This was inevitable.

Thank the pilot union mostly.

Quoting delta2ual (Reply 2):
Why is the company afraid to let a neutral third party decide upon a fair agreement?

Why would they? They are asking for what is the best terms for them, but the court need not grant it. They might allow it for some contracts, and order arbitration for others, and mediation for others.

But AA won't ask for what they would settle for, they will ask for their best case, and then see what happens. What good negotiator ever reveals what they would settle for?

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 8):
the least productive in terms of hours flown per month;

That's the important part. You might be "almost on par" with your peers in hourly, but if you are less productive, that means more employees than your competitors, and each employee has benefits costs.



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8548 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13984 times:

Arbitration is a silly word in this case that cloaks an idea they have total legal privilege above the law. Given the GM bankruptcy history, who knows, maybe they are right. Maybe they can command a federal judge to do illegal things, giving unions a status above other citizens. But hopefully not.

User currently offlineflyingcaT From United States of America, joined May 2007, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13900 times:

USAPA has kind of killed the idea of settling union disputes with arbitration

User currently offlineflyfree727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13776 times:

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 7):
Oh please, nobody here is "unbiased". You have the union haters, the armchair CEO's, the airplane lovers that think airline employees should work for free so the skies will be filled with lots of fun airplanes for them to look at and you have the airline employees. Nobody is "unbiased", we all have opinions - some stronger than others

EXACTLY

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 7):
For most here, airlines is a hobby

For many others, it is an OBSESSION!!!

I would imagine many on here will join in on "popping the champaigne" when the contracts are void.

To them I say whatever.. Im still flying the skies for a living and your not.

AA ORD


User currently offlineklkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 933 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13674 times:

USAir, Delta, United and Northwest all managed to make it through BK in recent years and negotiate agreements with their employees and not have to resort to this option. This really speaks to just how poor AA's relationship is with it's own employees. Very sad.

User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6150 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 13542 times:

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 7):

Well said!!!!



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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12564 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 13500 times:

Quoting delta2ual (Reply 2):
Why is the company afraid to let a neutral third party decide upon a fair agreement?

The answer is in your question: AA doesn't want a fair agreement, they want the agreement that is best for them, and they have calculated that this is the best way to get it.

It is a risky strategy, because a judge has great latitude in BK.



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User currently offlinePlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 564 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 13440 times:

AA will propose the terms that best serve its interests and provides the greatest flexiblity (long hauls, 787, scope clauses, work rules, etc.). If the judge allows it, then the employees will make a decision if they want to stay on or not. If enough chose not to, then AA may have to revisit the offer.

Alternatively, the unions could get a lot closer to the AA position (offer UA and DL terms) and AA could move some too and both sides would have less risk of getting a ruling that is even more unfavorable or provides more uncertainity.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 13396 times:

Quoting GEN2STEW (Thread starter):
AA To End CBA's With 9 Unions...

I guess this now paves the way for AA to get rid of the bad apples easier so that they can actually start driving in revenue and get stuff done. Either earn your pay or find a different job, it seems like:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 15):
AA doesn't want a fair agreement, they want the agreement that is best for them, and they have calculated that this is the best way to get it.

   AA will do what is best for the company, not the employees. I am not surprised they would take this route.



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User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7232 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 13374 times:

I would love to see the union "encourage" their members to start looking for work now, if they stay and accept whatever AA and the judge throws at them I hope that they accept that they chose to stay and don't create an attitude problem going forward. Sometimes it's hard to swallow, one is better off moving on.

User currently offlineskyrat From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12912 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 17):
Quoting GEN2STEW (Thread starter):
AA To End CBA's With 9 Unions...

I guess this now paves the way for AA to get rid of the bad apples easier so that they can actually start driving in revenue and get stuff done. Either earn your pay or find a different job, it seems like:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 15):
AA doesn't want a fair agreement, they want the agreement that is best for them, and they have calculated that this is the best way to get it.

AA will do what is best for the company, not the employees. I am not surprised they would take this route.

How about the company start cutting at the top first? You start cutting salary at the top and show everyone down the chain that everyone in the company has to do their share. It's people like you that have made this site worse. It's just like ASFlyer said, you all want to see airline employees making peanuts in what is a very high stressful job. Then you turn around and bash how bad the customer service has gotten!



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User currently onlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5242 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12658 times:

Quoting klkla (Reply 13):
USAir, Delta, United and Northwest all managed to make it through BK in recent years and negotiate agreements with their employees and not have to resort to this option.

I thought United did try to end their contracts and impose a settlement. I remember that UA ultimately negotiated new agreements. The F/As were doing a lot of sabre rattling in terms of a CHOAS strike, although they never actually did a walk-out, just the informational picketing.


User currently offlinesbworcs From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 844 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12564 times:

Quoting skyrat (Reply 19):
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 17):
Quoting GEN2STEW (Thread starter):
AA To End CBA's With 9 Unions...

I guess this now paves the way for AA to get rid of the bad apples easier so that they can actually start driving in revenue and get stuff done. Either earn your pay or find a different job, it seems like:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 15):
AA doesn't want a fair agreement, they want the agreement that is best for them, and they have calculated that this is the best way to get it.

AA will do what is best for the company, not the employees. I am not surprised they would take this route.

How about the company start cutting at the top first? You start cutting salary at the top and show everyone down the chain that everyone in the company has to do their share. It's people like you that have made this site worse. It's just like ASFlyer said, you all want to see airline employees making peanuts in what is a very high stressful job. Then you turn around and bash how bad the customer service has gotten!

Made the site worse because their opinion differs from yours?

I don't see anything you quoted as them saying that airline staff should work for peanuts. One was stating that maybe some of the less productive workers may leave and the other was expressing little surprise at the news.

Neither appeared to state you should work for nothing?



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12449 times:

Quoting skyrat (Reply 19):
How about the company start cutting at the top first?

I agree. The cuts have to come from the top then work your way down.

Quoting skyrat (Reply 19):
It's people like you that have made this site worse.

What is that supposed to mean? What does this site have to do with AA's financial woes?    This site did not make nor force AA into Ch. 11, and neither did any of the A.netters here. Your claim here has absolutely no merit.

Quoting skyrat (Reply 19):
you all want to see airline employees making peanuts in what is a very high stressful job.

I believe in a fair pay. I do not believe in pay that is ridiculously high that do not reflect the type of job that is being done when it should be at fair pay. (IE: A ramper making $17-19 an hour to start when it should be $12 an hour to start....)

Quoting skyrat (Reply 19):
Then you turn around and bash how bad the customer service has gotten!

  I have never, ever, ever bashed how bad the airline customer service was on this website. Ever.   

The point I was trying to make is that there are some real bad apples at every airline here in the U.S. I should know because I work with a few of them at my airline. But it is what it is. I'm not a supervisor so there is nothing I can do about it but to put up with it. It is management's job to change these people or sack them. There are a lot of people at every airline that just shows up for work and do nothing, getting paid for it at the same time. That practice has got to stop. That is where money gets thrown away. Those are the types of people that either have to start contributing or let them go. I see this laziness and sense of entitlement every day from those people. I am sure EA CO AS has seen that as well at his airline.

When your company is in chapter 11, all bets are off. Everyone has to start contributing to ensure the companies survival. If they cannot do that, they should not be there. Every cent counts. I can see why AA is doing what it is doing now.

They are a business, not an adult-child daycare.



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4471 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 12131 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 17):
AA will do what is best for the company, not the employees.

However, doing what is best for the company also means not screwing the employees, because without the employees, there is no company.  


User currently offlineripcordd From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1168 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 12080 times:

They have refused to give an inch from them asking for the world. This is a very risky part on AA I don't see the judge saying ok here you go with all the 99% protests against corp. greed etc. AA wants to cut their costs way below what AA/DL are I see the judge saying you have your unions agreeing to binding arbitatraion and you refuse to go shows the company is not in good faith trying to achieve a contract. Or he could say that DL.UA are making millions of dollars with their contracts why do you need a contract way below what they?

25 manny : You are being politically correct. The reality would be that at this point of time most of the flying public would wonder if there are some really ba
26 MLD9S : I have a question (and it is not pro- or anti-AMR or employee)..... I have read so many times over the years that the first bankruptcy filing of Conti
27 AirframeAS : Politically correct or not, it is a fact. They are everywhere at every company, airline or not. That is a true statement.
28 EA CO AS : The thing is, generally speaking, management IS doing something about it. The problem is it that it takes a long time to bring about positive change,
29 Post contains links seabosdca : Section 1113 of the Bankruptcy Code provides special rules for employers in Chapter 11 who wish to reject CBAs (union contracts). They can still do s
30 LDVAviation : CO was able to void the contracts without judicial discretion. Labor contracts at the time were no different than other types of contract (e.g., plan
31 futureualpilot : Yeah, because they ran the place into the ground. It couldn't have been management and their ineptitude over the last decade? Never mind that after s
32 MLD9S : Thank you, LDVAviation. So, basically, Texas Air Corp was allowed to just say: "These are the new terms of employment whether you like them or not" w
33 pqdtw : No, we at Northwest as flight attendants lost our collective bargaining agreement (CBA) and were subject to an imposed TCE (Terms and Conditions of E
34 AirframeAS : Or they claim to be. See, the problem is that when management wants to terminate someone, it is harder to do so when a union is involved. There are s
35 ikramerica : Sorry, but the history at AA is very specific, and the APA has huge hand in this mess. They pushed out a whole management team, hand picked the repla
36 micstatic : We also must consider that it points to how unreasonable the demands of the unions are. Two sides to every coin. The whole point is that AMR can't af
37 ikramerica : Honestly, AA should have entered BK in 2003. The fact they didn't only prolonged the inevitable, cost billions in losses, and created even more bad bl
38 EA CO AS : Yes and no. Most CBAs have language pertaining to what the progressive steps of discipline look like and so forth. Having said that, there are some "
39 ORDJOE : So true In non union jobs if you feel your employer is screwing you over then you have the option to move to another company and start anew. The seni
40 thegoldenargosy : I totally agree with you. AA has really gone downhill in the last 9yrs. Something needs to change. I'd really like to see AA split up and sold to dif
41 sccutler : AA has been cutting non-union payroll for years, both head count and pay rates. This... this is why the traditional railing against unions (and I've
42 B6A322 : So would the bankruptcy court's (hypothetical) approval of these measures mean the end of the scope clause and allow AA to operate the 60-76 seat plan
43 suisjes : Waiting for this to fall out this is going to interesting I call recession from workers then merger.. It is gonna get ugly no doubt..
44 xdlx : During the early Jet age days, the words Seniority and Experience where valued. You boarded these magnificent and large machines that transported you
45 bjorn14 : Yes, if they can prove to the Judge that this is in the best economical interests of the company. I personally think this is one of the easiest argum
46 Revelation : AA is not doing a good job at getting the word out on this, which makes me a bit dubious on the degree of the cuts you are talking about. One who can
47 Highflier92660 : Remember that Steve Wolf enriched himself at the expense of a few airlines in his 70+ years. American Airlines is getting a ton of A319s in the comin
48 HiFlyerAS : Great post! It's always the employee's fault....people devote their lives to a company only to get the shaft. It's happened in every major industry.
49 Revelation : I honor the fight, but those before you worked in a different era, and it just might not be possible to preserve the kind of job they had. Or the jud
50 SPREE34 : True, this. I would guess a judge will be familiar with this, as the legal manuvers continue to be made in the 9th circuit.
51 delta2ual : Maybe it's your perspective or just bad luck. I've had bad customer service incidents at airlines, banks, grocery stores, cable companies, wireless p
52 seabosdca : The people who think customer service is always bad tend to be the ones who are always asking for unreasonable things and being told no.
53 avek00 : The motions are not the end, but rather the beginning of the process to gain court approval to abrogate the CBAs. If the judge entertains the motion,
54 ikramerica : Yes, and back in those days F/As were friendly and eager to do their job on those long range flights because nobody was over 35 and there was no such
55 ikramerica : While those who came before might have fought hard for plum job rules, over compensation in pensions, and free health care, those "gains" were not su
56 ASFlyer : I think airline employees have recognized that for a long time. I can only speak about FA's but it's been a REALLY long time since any airline gave a
57 manny : If one travel's only US based airlines one becomes so accustomed to bad customer service that you take it your stride and subconsciously set low benc
58 sccutler : It's a tightrope - on the one hand, cutting non-union payroll has been a necessity, because that is the only place the airline has been able to cut w
59 manny : I can see your great attitude towards customer service already. If the customer thinks service is bad it HAS to be the customers fault!
60 Revelation : Great points - thanks for the post!
61 HPRamper : Because he said the passengers who complain the most are usually the most unreasonable? It's completely true. It's the attitude of too many people (e
62 manny : Unreasonable ? Then why are people traveling from US so satisfied with their experiences with Asian carriers like SQ. How do carriers like SQ, CX and
63 ikramerica : I agree. F/A's were not paid that well to begin with, probably to try to encourage them not to stay on for 40 years like they do, and have given up a
64 MillwallSean : The day staff shows contempt for the people paying their wages is a day when something is really, really wrong. One must realise that these fare payi
65 HPRamper : Comparing airlines like SQ and CX to domestic airlines in the United States, or even in Europe is an apples to oranges comparison. The average Americ
66 EricR : Give it another 5 years until LCCs start invading routes covered by SQ and CX. A lot of frills offered by these airlines today will need to be cut in
67 laxboeingman : To me, this means a purchase of AA is inevitable. AA needs someone to buy out all of their labor troubles. The voiding of the contracts shows that the
68 HPRamper : Interestingly enough, SQ did start up their own LCC, Scoot. Time will tell how that decision turns out, especially as it is designed to be medium-lon
69 cjpark : If you fly often enough then no airline really impresses anymore unless you purposely set out to spend ridiculous money for transit from point A at t
70 HPRamper : A few bad apples. A union should not mean that the employee feels protected from any retribution for their misconduct. I used to work for an airline,
71 delta2ual : But he/she didn't say they were comparing SQ or any airline for that matter. He/She said customer service is always atrocious. You assume he/she mean
72 HiFlyerAS : As a former airline union officer and rep in disciplinary investigations I can tell you that just belonging to a union won't save your job. Plenty of
73 dlphoenix : It has nothing to do with frills, it is the service culture. On my UA flight yesterday (In BE) as soon as the meal service was over the cabin crew sa
74 manny : Nice try to go away from the point. I have not talked about the inflight product. Its the service employees provide in their interaction with the cus
75 manny : Again, its not the inflight product I am referring to. Its the service employees provide in their interaction with the customer. WHich is horrible. H
76 manny : he/she ?????
77 BOACCunard : You know, it's funny, in all of my flights on AA, DL, and UA in the past several years, I have somehow managed not to experience any of the horrible c
78 ikramerica : And yet that is how it is in many professions. Try actually firing a teacher in Los Angeles, even a rapist. Can't be done. Takes years of effort by t
79 ASFlyer : Typical union hating rhetoric. This forum is full of it and it was only a matter of time before this thread went that direction. That's because that'
80 EricR : 10-4 and agreed. The attention to service is generally better on foreign carriers (though exceptions exist on both ends).
81 RyanairGuru : As well as being mildly racist, it is true that SQ, CX etc crews are more customer-oriented in their service delivery. At SQ call bells must be respo
82 ASFlyer : Not sure if you were saying I'm being mildly racist? If so, I assure you that I'm not in the least. My statement is meant to point out the way the ma
83 RyanairGuru : I'm sorry if I caused offence, and I should have prefaced my comment with the fact that I have a lot of respect for your comments and (as well as I c
84 AAExecplat : No union hating...this is simply reality. I know union workers and managers don't want the ugly underbelly to be more widely seen. For those of us in
85 bobnwa :
86 ikramerica : They do it on movie sets. Low budget films are often shot in right to work states w tax incentives and there is no money to pay the union excess of a
87 Post contains links commavia : For those interested, AMR's full filings (thousands of pages in all) relating to the section 1113 CBA rejection are now available online (it is docume
88 B377 : I just spent 5+ hours reading some, but not all of the material that AA has documented on their section 1113 filing. It is compelling that the unions
89 xdlx : It is my personal opinion, airlines need to make a bit of a better job in the HR/Emp Relations expectations is concerned. Since de-regulation, the ma
90 par13del : Based on A.Net, I don't think so, pax who frequent SQ and CX and not the same ones frequenting US carriers, no facts or figures but since it is often
91 miaami : If the cuts were to be fair across all work groups, why are the Foreign National Flight Attendants not sharing in the cuts? Seems like it is only the
92 par13del : A difference will always be there, if you hire a foreign national and base them in the US you have added cost, work visa as well as incentives, usual
93 ikramerica : No, I think it's federal law. Could be wrong, though...
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