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IAG To Offer 14 Slots In BD Deal  
User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2531 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14829 times:

In another move to secure the deal, IAG is ready to relinquish 14 (up from 10) slots to any competitor wanting to operate from London to Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Manchester or Riyadh, according to FT.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/5b22a...0-7442-11e1-9951-00144feab49a.html

I think 14 is too much and might make the deal less attractive.


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User currently offlinenighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5186 posts, RR: 33
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 14646 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Thread starter):
I think 14 is too much and might make the deal less attractive.

Less attractive to who? It is IAG offering to give up 14 slots, so obviously they think it is attractive enough. If anything, I think the competition and regulators might think 14 is not enough...



That'll teach you
User currently offlineDano1977 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Jun 2008, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 14591 times:

Well that puts the ball back in Virgins side of the court. Lets see if all the hot air actually leads to something, or not.

I'm still waiting for the Glasgow-New York service from Virgin... Which Branson said he would start if BA ever cancelled its service.



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 14578 times:

This 'person' at the EU should remember the 'mess' the continent is in and stop standing in the way of the necessary 'healing process' going on within the airline industry.

IAG having to relinquish 14 slots for competitors on the Scottish routes is like giving your postman a Ferrari for Christmas and telling him he has to pay for the upkeep, insurance etc etc..................

This is just delaying it for the sake of delaying it.

Someone involved in this process likes to feel important !



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User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1296 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 14496 times:

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 2):
Well that puts the ball back in Virgins side of the court. Lets see if all the hot air actually leads to something, or not.

I'm still waiting for the Glasgow-New York service from Virgin... Which Branson said he would start if BA ever cancelled its service.

First the discussion is between the Eu and the parties that reported this deal. branson doesnt have a seat at the table.

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 3):
This 'person' at the EU should remember the 'mess' the continent is in and stop standing in the way of the necessary 'healing process' going on within the airline industry.

Can you at least try to contribute. I know you love BA and think all they want is better than best. But we have to at least try to be objective. 14 slots is a fair deal. 4 destinations that we might see airlines take up. If Virgin want these they are welcome to start these routes. They wont of course...
Maybe NAS air will, maybe Saudia. But who would start LHR-MAN, EDI or GLA?
And wouldnt BA be well of even if the disposed of 14 slots.

I remember I said that we would see about 18 slots divested if any takers are found for this deal to go through when it was announced. Ill stick to that prediction.

And FYI The person in charge of this is from an EU memberstate thats twice as rich as the UK, has very little debt and has an economy thats been growing for the last decade. The UK has the fourth highest debt per citizen of all EU members, a stagnant economy and an increasing unemployment. Food for thought...



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5947 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 14478 times:

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 1):
It is IAG offering to give up 14 slots, so obviously they think it is attractive enough

Like the slots they had to give DL after BA-AA they will probably be use them or return. Safe in the knowledge that no one is interested in entering the market they can offer slots for new services to Scotland and then use them for their own expansion.

Riyadh is just provocative... given that SU is on the route I doubt there are competition concerns, and there is practically no way that VS could succeed in Saudi Arabia without a major re-branding (ie changing their name!).



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14423 times:

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 4):
And FYI The person in charge of this is from an EU memberstate thats twice as rich as the UK, has very little debt and has an economy thats been growing for the last decade. The UK has the fourth highest debt per citizen of all EU members, a stagnant economy and an increasing unemployment. Food for thought...

Oh please, spare me. That just makes the whole thing even more nauseous.

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 4):
Can you at least try to contribute. I know you love BA and think all they want is better than best. But we have to at least try to be objective. 14 slots is a fair deal.

No it's not it's a con. The whole thing stinks. Business is business.

Even with the BD slots IAG are still at a diasdvantage to LH and AF groups.

But I guess a micro-climate of competiiton within the EU has suddenly been constructed to judge this deal on.

The EU has been a drag on anything inlvolving BA from the word go. Look at anti-trust and how long that took while Air France and Lufthansa forged ahead.

Like I said....it stinks.



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User currently offlineEI564 From Ireland, joined May 2007, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14414 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 3):
G having to relinquish 14 slots for competitors on the Scottish routes is like giving your postman a Ferrari for Christmas and telling him he has to pay for the upkeep, insurance etc etc..................

Its quite clever in some ways though. If nobody is willing to operate the routes then presumably IAG keeps the slots.

I presume BA got back the MIA-LHR slots after DL dropped the route?


User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5828 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14344 times:

Quoting EI564 (Reply 7):
I presume BA got back the MIA-LHR slots after DL dropped the route?

I believe not. Those slot were transferable according to previous threads on this issue. It's the BOS slots that are not transferable.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineDano1977 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Jun 2008, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14257 times:

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 4):

Well seeings virgin and SRB are the only ones to have come forward (in public anyway) this has everything to do with them.

IAG offer the slots in hope of a quick resolution to the EU proceedings and hope it can be resolved before BMi run out of cash at the end of march and lufthansa pull the plug making 4000 people unemployed.

Now we will see if SRB is the consumer champion he claims to be, or not.



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User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14202 times:

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 9):

He has gone on enough times about starting Scottish routes if IAG did not get the deal, id love to see what he does with this new change.


User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14151 times:

If Virgin doesn't take these, do you thinking someone like AF-KL (through CityJet) would be interested?


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User currently offlinenighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5186 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14141 times:

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 9):
Now we will see if SRB is the consumer champion he claims to be, or not.
Quoting lhr380 (Reply 10):
He has gone on enough times about starting Scottish routes if IAG did not get the deal, id love to see what he does with this new change.

we all know it's never going to happen, it was nothing more than a publicity stunt. He always makes these outlandish claims, knowing full well he will never need to act on them. Now he's been called on it, he will find some excuse to weasel out of it.

Although in fairness this time he will need to weasel out of it, there is no way Virgin can set up a short haul division to operate 14 weekly flights, and I doubt they will be willing to use an A330 on domestic flights!

If the bmi regional sale goes through, I wonder if they may consider taking on the Aberdeen-LHR slots?

Edit: Actually come to think of it, bmi regional would be a good bet to take all the domestic slots, then operate on behalf of Virgin... potentially a nice little earner for the new owners (if it ever gets new owners!)

[Edited 2012-03-23 03:39:24]


That'll teach you
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14086 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 8):
Quoting EI564 (Reply 7):
I presume BA got back the MIA-LHR slots after DL dropped the route?

I believe not. Those slot were transferable according to previous threads on this issue. It's the BOS slots that are not transferable.


The slot is not transferable and returns to IAG/AA next month.



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User currently onlinebastew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1031 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14069 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 5):
Like the slots they had to give DL after BA-AA they will probably be use them or return. Safe in the knowledge that no one is interested in entering the market they can offer slots for new services to Scotland and then use them for their own expansion.

But Ryanair these concessions are in response to Virgin and the Scottish MP's issue that they have raised with the EU.....that BA will be in a monopoly position on the routes mentioned. So BA are now saying 'OK if thats the concern, then here are 14 daily slots for a competitor (ie VS) to enter the market and compete with us'. Surely that is fair? Unles of course SRB's goings-ons about his 'concern' for scottish passengers and his intention to start up London-Scotland services is really just a bunch of old cobblers.


User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1296 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14020 times:

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 9):

Well seeings virgin and SRB are the only ones to have come forward (in public anyway) this has everything to do with them.

IAG offer the slots in hope of a quick resolution to the EU proceedings and hope it can be resolved before BMi run out of cash at the end of march and lufthansa pull the plug making 4000 people unemployed.

Now we will see if SRB is the consumer champion he claims to be, or not.

Im really curious on what make you say that?
have you perhaps read anything from brusells that point to virgin. i have read everything there is to read about this and there is ZERO mentions about Virgin.

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 6):
Oh please, spare me. That just makes the whole thing even more nauseous.

And why not expand on why?
Pointing out that your favourite pet is better looking than the neighbours pet leads nowhere.
In this case LH and BA will be able to conclude a deal if they want to. They have to offer enough remedies to satisfy a competition watchdog and 18 slots seems like a fair deal to most industry observers.
To get a deal done they need to satisfy the laws of UK and the EU. They dont differ much if you bothered to read them...
Facts is always more interesting than fanboys so if you disagree point out why and whats your reasoning behind that is.
Do you belive competition will be helped by a monopoly on the scottish routes to LHR?

But sure business is business, lets put BA out of business for good then. Im not sure you remember but BA couldnt survive on their own and had to get government bailouts.



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14020 times:

It's just aswell LH are invloved because otherswise the the deal wouldn't have stood a snowballs chance in hell.

(not with the EU judging it anyway)

The deal would of been blocked and the slots gone to the gulf carriers with their bottomless pits of cash.

(which is still a possibility and would further exasperate the problems at LHR for UK citizens)

It's quite amusing actually because LH and BA are singing from the same hymn sheet on this one.



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User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14020 times:

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 11):

Would city jet really want to go into the LHR market and operate domestics? They do well out of LCY, but LHR is a different ball game, would they have the onward feed to make it worthwhile?

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 12):

I know Gav, this is the first time I really think his luff has been called. He has gone in guns blazing,and now with IAG offering these slots, he will have to come up with a good reason to not start......

Out of interest, what is he on the VS board? It's always him being vocal but does he have that much influence to make changes like this on the VS board? I could look it up, but I have you lot for that  


User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5828 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13944 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
The slot is not transferable and returns to IAG/AA next month.

Got a reference? I have no opinion, was just reporting on what was on earlier threads.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13908 times:

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 17):
Would city jet really want to go into the LHR market and operate domestics? They do well out of LCY, but LHR is a different ball game, would they have the onward feed to make it worthwhile?

If they could go into Term 4, they would be open to go East on KL/AF/AZ and West on DL. I highly doubt it happening as the CityJet model works well for them currently, but I think it is more likely seeing them operate the routes than Virgin.



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User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13888 times:

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 19):

Good point, but then it would dilute the KL/AF routes that they operate from domestic airports (and yea, more likely them then VS)


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13887 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 18):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
The slot is not transferable and returns to IAG/AA next month.

Got a reference? I have no opinion, was just reporting on what was on earlier threads.



You are confusing it with the provision that allows an airline to use the MIA-LHR slot as an MIA-XXX-LHR same plane service after 2014.

The slot returns to IAG/AA.

Not to mention that if DL got to keep the slot, wouldn't it be using the slot after April 15? It's not (the new ATLLHR flight slot comes from KLM).

[Edited 2012-03-23 04:24:46]


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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8513 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13832 times:
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BA's offer is one with little demand. WHO is going to fly fro LHR to Scotland ? Ryannair ? Easy Jet ?

User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7742 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13750 times:

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 1):
. If anything, I think the competition and regulators might think 14 is not enough...

According to the independent LHR slot coordinator, Airport Coordination Ltd, as at 25 March - next Sunday - BD will be left with only 461 of its original 1,091 LHR weekly slots. This is after the transfer of 57 per cent of their original slot holding to LH (up from 406 to 776 weekly slots), LX (up from 84 to 182), SN (up from 0 to 50) and to LH's Star partner airlines. Check out this data for "Start S 2009" and "Start S 2012" here:

http://www.acl-uk.org/reportsStatistics.aspx?id=98&subjectId=33

So if 14 slots means 14 daily slots which is equivalent to 98 weekly slots, it represents a not insignificant proportion (over 21 per cent) of BD's remaining 461 slots.

With LH Group having absorbed more of BD's old slots (518) than BD will be left with on Sunday next (461) one might have expected VS to be protesting vehemently about what the Lufthansa Group has done. But, of course, Lufthansa Group is not BA. So there is no chance of that happening, particularly as LH's Star partner, SQ owns 49 per cent of VS.

If VS or any other airline takes up the offer outlined in the FT, BA (through the IAG purchase) will be left with 363 or just under one third of what was BD's slot holding. Whatever the decision of the competition authorities BD has already been totally emasculated. The sad thing about that is the number of BD staff whose job is on the line. Let's hope IAG are allowed to save a some of them.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5947 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13616 times:

Quoting bastew (Reply 14):
But Ryanair these concessions are in response to Virgin and the Scottish MP's issue that they have raised with the EU.....that BA will be in a monopoly position on the routes mentioned. So BA are now saying 'OK if thats the concern, then here are 14 daily slots for a competitor (ie VS) to enter the market and compete with us'. Surely that is fair?

Yes it is and I think we agree in principle, it's just I didn't make it clear what I was getting at...

Yes, BA will have a monopoly from London to MAN/Scotland. The EU is (rightly) concerned about competition.

BA/IAG offers slots to speed things along in Brussels. If VS, BMI Regional or anyone else takes them, then BA have surely acted in good faith.

BUT it is unlikely anyone will, and BA know this. Therefore they are happy to put an offer to the EU to voluntarily divest slots given that it makes them look nice and they will probably end up with them anyway.



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25 ual777uk : Well this does throw it back at VS and it will be really interesting to see what thry come back with. Perhaps they will ask for at least double the sl
26 bastew : I think you've hit the nail on the head Ryanair. Virgin and the Scottish MP's complaints about a monopoly on Scottish/MAN routes is really just a smo
27 WAC : The reason competition authorities are concerned abou thet domination of BA at LHR is because there is no spare capacity for new entrants to enter the
28 gemuser : So have I got this right? Not only has DL given up a LHR slot, it has given up a slot it could have kept and turned into a MIA-XXX-LHR slot if it had
29 skipness1E : Cityjet are massively loss making at the mo. LHR would tip them over the edge......
30 MAH4546 : Yes, but so what? The slot isn't free, Delta was paying market rates to IAG/AA to lease them. But a slot from KLM? That is, indeed, free.
31 VV701 : Free? What do you think AF/KL stock holders would say about KL: management giving away their valuable asset to, effectively, DL stock holders? Sell t
32 by738 : They are ? Their expansion plans must be on shaky ground then
33 AIR MALTA : I think that the 14 slots is more than enough in order to start operations to ABZ (5 daily), MAN (4 daily) and EDI (5 daily). 10 slots would have even
34 anstar : So if they will have such few slots left - surely loads of jobs must have gone already?
35 EI320 : I believe CityJet almost reached break-even in 2011, so far from "massively loss making". I agree with you on the second point though. The CityJet bu
36 by738 : I suspect no carrier will be interested in starting brand new ops on these routes
37 Dano1977 : Not reading anything into it at all. Sir Richard Branson has been vocal about no competition on Scottish routes if the deal goes through. IAG are now
38 shamrock604 : They almost broke even last financial year - a big turnaround on the previous year.
39 Humberside : Don't know where you got MAN from. The FT article states the original 10 slots where to cover ABZ, EDI, Riyadh and Cairo, not MAN
40 Post contains images GCT64 : Why not Easyjet? They have demonstrated the ability to run standalone London-EDI services (STN-EDI, LGW-EDI, LTN-EDI) with no connecting traffic, the
41 lhr380 : Would they really pay LHR landing fees and everything else that goes with flying out if LHR? Their turnarounds would be very difficult?
42 GCT64 : Easyjet are far less vocal about airport charges than FR, I suspect they rationalise that the added cost of operating to (say) MUC or ZRH is offest b
43 Independence76 : Wouldn't AB and S7 be the most logical additions?
44 planesailing : The management have an obligation to realise the best potential from the companies assets. Under the JV that AF/KLM and DL operate under in relation
45 boysteve : No no no, BA will have a monopoly from LHR - MAN, EDI, ABZ. They already have a monoply from LHR - GLA becasue BD pulled the route. BA do not have a
46 RyanairGuru : You're absolutely right, I was just been lazy in my typing
47 Condor24 : BA having in excess of 50% traffic ex LHR is such a red herring. Branson and O'Leary run two very different operations but they are the 'masters of ch
48 edina : I wouldn't be surprised if Branson does start a domestic operation; although I think there's only an outside chance. Don't forget that he has a virtua
49 antonovman : Well said WAC. I agree with this entirely
50 mikey72 : Tough !! This is British Airways wer're talking about flying out of Britain. Britain needs those slots to go to British Airways for a myriad of diffe
51 Post contains links VV701 : This is not strictly true. A study of the reports of the LHR slot controller, Airport Coordination Ltd (ACL), at: http://www.acl-uk.org/reportsStatis
52 mikey72 : When are the 'bright sparks' in Brussels that are so expertly navigating us through the economic crisis going to make a decision about the IAG acquisi
53 Post contains links WAC : That deadline was set by IAG or "BA" and LH and in no case before or in any legal matter do the seller and buyer set the date for any competition or
54 mikey72 : oh...god forbid BA has an advantage in Britain. BA may well be a private company but just as with LH and AF heritage makes it quite obvious they are
55 Post contains links Bongodog1964 : WAC You are 100% wrong, the deal is awaiting EU approval and the provisional report date is presently March 30th. See link below http://ec.europa.eu/c
56 anstar : Rather than favour one particular airline - If the EU was serious about supporing their airlines they would scrap the ridiculous ETS and lower taxes
57 mikey72 : Well at least there is a reason (if misguided) behind ETS...... i.e money. The delay in approving the IAG/BD deal is fathomless. If it has been delay
58 Bongodog1964 : The EU competition commission is rather quick compared to the UK one. The main delay has been in the initial referral which didn't take place until t
59 mikey72 : LOL - I know, well that's just me I'm afraid. Why do we pay these people all the money we do ? No doubt they are just sat about drinking latte's all
60 WAC : Never be sorry for who and what you are, I might disagree with you but don't be sorry because of your opinions...
61 mikey72 : I'm not exactly sorry... maybe keen not to sound inflammatory. Well, not too inflammatory anyway. I just think that recognition of the fact that BA i
62 Post contains links anstar : Looks like the initial offer to the EU from BA didnt go down well and further concessions have been made http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...more-r
63 fcogafa : Why are they 'market testing' the offer? Is Virgin ever going to say yes to the deal, however many concessions are made?
64 ual777uk : Probabaly not unless some rediculous carrot is dangled, don't ask me what that would have to be but there has to be a time when VS have to put their
65 mikey72 : This is nothing we didn't already know. This Almunia geezer should just get on and make a decision instead of issuing statements that consist of nothi
66 GCT64 : I suspect this gets to the core of it. This select, but influential, few would also not dream of flying on Easyjet with the common people, so find th
67 mikey72 : You were doing really well until you said 'London Airways'. Last time I checked London was in Britain just like Paris is in France and Madrid is in S
68 Post contains images GCT64 : My reference to "London Airways" was not because I think of BA like that (I live only 20 minutes from LHR, so "Heathrow Airways" suits me just fine!
69 anstar : Probably not - especially givent he fact that if BA do buy BMI they can't make the same promise either.
70 antixx : Bit uncalled for... but never mind! Anyone who is/was a frequent flyer with BD will know why the Scots MPs are against it...all the ones who use(d) b
71 skipness1E : Anstar as a Virgin supporter, and I am a fan too, you surely must agree they are playing deplorably fast and loose with hundreds of jobs at BMI over a
72 anstar : I think that they are just trying whatever they can to throw spoilers in the deal - which I guess is what you expect to happen when companies compete
73 mikey72 : VS have been responsible for very little positiveness in British aviation since their inception. Quite the contrary in actual fact and this BD debacl
74 lhr380 : Im sorry, did you just say it was right what happened with the dirty tricks???? Come on Mikey, thats very harsh. Im not VS's biggest supporter and do
75 anstar : Ok I shouldn't feed trolls.. but.... Well without VS I doubt BA would have been as quick to introduce Premium Economy or flat beds in Club! So that wa
76 Post contains images lhr380 : Prem Y I probably understand, but I was under the impression BA were first to have a seat that turned into a Lie flat bed? Was it only done because V
77 skipness1E : Can you link to this please? Virgin keep BA honest and I disagree with MIkey on this. However of the two, Virgin are the more ruthless organisation.
78 LHR27C : Reuters reporting sources stating IAG will win EU approval. BRUSSELS, March 29 (Reuters) - EU regulators are set to approve a bid by IAG, the owner of
79 mikey72 : I'm not a troll. This situation with BD though is the last straw as far as I'm concerned. You really believe that do you ? Only a VS supporter would
80 mikey72 : No more right than BA being forced to hand over rights to NRT...?? It's not harsh lhr380...i'm just playing by the new rules now. Not harsh at all. I
81 AIR MALTA : Yuhuuuuu... Very good news if it is true... Mikey72, let's share a bottle of champagne!!! I remember I was one of the first ones back in the days say
82 mikey72 : Yes...it is 'expected' news. (and good) Now. ....can we all just move on and look forward to some long overdue new routes from LHR.
83 anstar : I dont believe I ever said that VS were BA's main competitior.. But VS is a competitor on alot of BA's routes and as a fellow LHR home carrier they d
84 mikey72 : No anstar they are not. Look, I don't have anything against VS ( I know that may be hard to believe)....i'm just fed up with all the bullsh*t they sp
85 anstar : Without going into calculations I would guess that VS compete on more long haul BA routes than any other BA long haul competitior. So whilst BA (and
86 Post contains links Cabincrewifly : EI interested in a few slots http://atwonline.com/airports-routes...ingus-eyes-bmi-heathrow-slots-0327
87 AIR MALTA : If EI is onterested in those slots, it should only be allowed to use them on LHR-EDI, ABZ or MAN...
88 VV701 : I do not think they will get any. Christoph Mueller says EI want the slots to "pull more transfer traffic to our long haul". EI do not operate long h
89 commavia : Are you sure about that? I sincerely hope so. I will be interested to see if what the conditions are - if any - placed on these 14 slot pairs BA has
90 AIR MALTA : I completely agree with you on this one... European regulators did not show such passion when LH was let to create a monster monopoly in the centre o
91 cornish : Actually I seem to recall that LH were told to offer slots on FRA-VIE at least, when that tie up happened. I don't think anyone actually took up the o
92 AIR MALTA : Adria was already operating the route before the OS-LH tie up. Well who knows with RB. He could start those routes with VS a la Virgin America just t
93 WAC : Was I right that it has/d been approved...
94 jfk777 : Virgin Atlantic is the only airline to compete with BA in all continents. While Cathay and Singapore are better then BA to the Orient BA does very we
95 lhr380 : I stand by what I said. Dirty tricks is a bad part of the history of the airline and should not be made out as a good thing by anyone!! Yes I u desti
96 mikey72 : Oh come on lhr380, nobody died did they ? Without wanting to get into a p-ing contest...how many long-haul routes do BA fly from LHR and how many do
97 Post contains images ual777uk : Could not agree more You dont help yourself do you. If the boot had been on the other foot and your beloved BA was targeted, you would be spitting bl
98 Bongodog1964 : You said that the deal wasn't awaiting EU approval and was in the hands of IAG/LH. As of now no decision has been released by the EU, thus IAG/LH are
99 mikey72 : Tell that to the people running VS and I will. Have you ever asked yourself 'why' VS are always on the defensive ? Why you can't even google BA witho
100 Post contains links sam1987 : Almost as good as "a source said..." In this article: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5e1fb672-7...7e-00144feab49a.html#axzz1qXMqhU00 "Virgin is highlighti
101 WAC : Do you really think the airlines are notified when the press is notified...??
102 skipness1E : Still waiting on this one.... Anyhoo G-VEIL went trundling off 27L this afternoon looking jolly sexy in her new colours so credit where credit is due
103 VV701 : If I count correctly BA flies to 62 long haul destinations (including DME now served by 744s/763s and TLV served for some time by 772s and 763s) and
104 AIR MALTA : That's the cherry picking everyone is talking about... and how many of these routes have at least another competitor than BA? VS while increasing com
105 lhr380 : No, no one died, but what they did was illegal and wrong and unethical. If you think that sort of behaviour is fine, well....I don't really know what
106 bastew : I think the issue with the 'dirty tricks' campaign is that BA has moved on and Virgin has not. I actually started my flying career at VS and it was dr
107 mikey72 : Sorry but I'm entitled to my opinion. We're not talking about arms dealers or drug runners here for heavens sake. I'm pretty sure that most major leg
108 VV701 : All 20 with just one exception, namely ACC.
109 AIR MALTA : Just sums it up.
110 AIR MALTA : When is the announcement going to happen?
111 Post contains images bastew : Today. Though it is the EU and Brussels. They are probably on their four hour lunch break still.
112 Post contains images AIR MALTA : nice one. I live in Antwerp and I know many guys working there. I tried to corrupt someone working for the competition DG (not aviation) but did not
113 Dano1977 : Decision of the merger due to be announced today at 1800UK time.
114 AIR MALTA : Good.
115 mikey72 : Humph....'bout time ! Wonder if SRB will do his '''Luke finding out Darth Vader is his father'' impression. Actually that's quite amusing... Willie W
116 Post contains links LHR27C : Actually, they just announced it. I have started another thread as I thought it was significant (details of the slot requirements, etc): IAG Wins EU
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