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787 Production Thread Part 3  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 61435 times:
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Good evening ladies and gents,

This is a continuation thread of part 2 which can be found here: 787 Production Thread Part 2 Please feel free to continue your discussion on this topic in this thread.

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31060 posts, RR: 87
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 61445 times:
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Did JL take delivery of both JA822J and JA825J or just one of them?

And has NH taken delivery of JA806A yet?


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7654 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 61216 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Did JL take delivery of both JA822J and JA825J or just one of them?

I checked wiki and the Boeing website just now and it only showed just one of them.



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User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 873 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 61106 times:

From Part 2:

Quoting sunrisevalley:

Do we know if weight reduced parts are being installed as they become available or are they being accumulated for the change to be made at a specific L/N.?

Unless there is a sufficiently strong business case, the changes are accumulated for blockpoints. The rationale for this is that it reduces the variation between airframes and allows for a more stable build process. The decision on what changes to include at each blockpoint are made a significant time in advance.

I know of one change we're making off blockpoint, but that's for a significant cost saving and has a very low impact to our build process and no impact at final assembly.


User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1189 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 60924 times:

Two 787 where delivered to JAL today, info taken from Boeing Twitter

Boeing Airplanes ‏ @BoeingAirplanes
2 Dreamliners in one day. We just delivered another 787 to JAL. Congrats to our great customer! #Boeing #JAL787

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User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5017 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 60816 times:

Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 3):
The decision on what changes to include at each blockpoint are made a significant time in advance.

Are the block points known beyond a few Boeing insider's?


User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 873 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 60710 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 5):
Are the block points known beyond a few Boeing insider's?

It's not just a few insiders - it was communicated to our entire engineering organisation - but it seems to be kept internal. I've not seen Boeing publicly announce 787 blockpoints apart from the LN 7 and 20 blockpoints. In media and blogs I've seen LNs 7, 20, 34 and 90 identified correctly. I also saw 50 come up a lot which was close but not quite right.

The next obvious points are when they can roll in 787-9 changes. For common parts you'd probably see a blockpoint at the first -8 after the first -9 is assembled, and the first -8 after the -9 is certified.


User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1824 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 60337 times:

What did get delivered yesterday? 2 JAL? Not 1 for ANA? It seems like they will repeat this in april, 2 JAL and 1 ANA.

LOT will be the first european airline to fly 787. All the lease company owned frames, when are they due? As many airlines will fly these frames. In a year or so we should see more of 787s flying in europe, SAS is asleep as always..


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 57677 times:

Boeing set up a website for the JAL delivery:

http://www.newairplane.com/787/delivery/#/en/jal/home/

Looks like they will be posting videos of the delivery ceremony, fly away and arrival ceremony.



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User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5017 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 57506 times:

Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 6):
In media and blogs I've seen LNs 7, 20, 34 and 90 identified correctly. I also saw 50 come up a lot which was close but not quite right.

So it is likely that a block point is about to or has just passed. Would you expect that there was an OEW reduction at this point?


User currently offlineliftsifter From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 56986 times:

Royal Jordanian's first delivery has been pushed to early 2014, as opposed to mid 2013. Some rumors even point to first delivery in 2015.

Does anyone have any idea when the whole delivery schedule will become regulated? It felt like Boeing was doing so well since Paris and then delivered the first ANA and then forgot about the other 800+ orders they have on the books.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31060 posts, RR: 87
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 56951 times:
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Quoting liftsifter (Reply 10):
Does anyone have any idea when the whole delivery schedule will become regulated?

Boeing will probably be delivering pre-LN30 planes through late 2013, as Boeing will probably only be able to average one of those a month and they have almost two dozen when you include LN4, LN5 and LN7.

LN30-LN45 will probably be the bulk of what is delivered in 2012 - JL's two birds are in this tranche as is the next one due for NH. AI's first bird will also be from this tranche.

LN46 and beyond will require little to no rework and therefore should be delivered soon after leaving the FAL, though they won't start delivering until the second half of the year.


User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 873 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 56808 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 9):
Would you expect that there was an OEW reduction at this point?

Sorry, I know the answer, but it's not in the public domain as far as I've seen.


User currently offlineredrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 56567 times:

JA825J took off earlier om delivery flight, JA822J should be the next one which takes off within an hour. Two more 787's delivered.

Congrats JAL!



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User currently offlineDan23 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 56471 times:

JA822J is airborne now on its delivery flight

User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 56459 times:

Flight numbers JAL 8101 and 8102 if anyone is interested in tracking them.


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User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1189 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 56383 times:

Why is 8101 going to Narita and 8102 to Haneda?

Juanchito



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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1824 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 55966 times:

7 rebuilt and delivered 52 to go  

When they can go from FAL to delivery, how much money will that save Boeing?


User currently offlinestarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 55182 times:

down to a couple days left for the ANA delivery.

It would be nice to see them keep to some sort of plan for a month.....



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2935 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 54943 times:

BOE040 is now up and testing. That's a new LN for me.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...0/history/20120327/2233Z/KPAE/KMWH



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7654 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 54906 times:

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 19):
BOE040 is now up and testing. That's a new LN for me.

There's a thread about LN's first routes; when is it supposed to be delivered?



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User currently offlineDan23 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 54824 times:

I think BOE040 is ZA117/LN40/JA806A (with its new engines) which has flown a number of times previously as BOE117. That call sign was already being used today by a 77W so it possibly explains the change.

User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 873 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 54804 times:

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 19):
BOE040 is now up and testing. That's a new LN for me.

That's odd. Usually the flight number has been based on the effectivity. If that is LN 40, which makes sense since it's the next one due to be delivered, then it's ZA117 and would usually have the flight number BOE117. It looks like that flight number was used by a 777 flight back from PDX today.

LN 40 had already made several flights, but according to kpae.blogspot.com it had its engines changed a few days ago.

Quoting starrion (Reply 18):

down to a couple days left for the ANA delivery.

It would be nice to see them keep to some sort of plan for a month.....

Even their mature programs seem to have a flurry of deliveries in the last couple of days of the month, so it's not just the 787.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5774 posts, RR: 47
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 53863 times:

Ok someone cancelled 24 787s this week according to Boeing. Who is it?


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User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 592 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 53772 times:

My money would be on a reduction by Qantas and/or China Eastern. Qantas seems to be in super reorganization mode lately and may have cancelled a sizable lot of 787s. China Eastern ordered 45 737s this week as well. Maybe they cancelled their 787s as part of a switch. British Airways has exactly 24 on order, but it doesn't seem like them to cancel. Air India said in the last few weeks they would take all of theirs, but maybe compensation talks broke down and they are taking only a few.

[Edited 2012-03-29 08:29:41]


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25 Post contains links rotating14 : http://www.marketwatch.com/story/boe...ped-787s-order-for-737s-2011-10-18 Hey guys, this may shed light on the order depletion, but this happened back
26 NYC777 : Yeah Flightblogger is saying it's China Eastern. Swapping the 45 737s for the 24 787s.
27 Daysleeper : I know it wasn’t intentional, but posts like that are really frustrating. It also makes me suspect that they are struggling to take the weight off,
28 redrooster3 : This was the China Eastern cancel last year, they exchanged for 737's. And they firmed the exchange. No new cancellations.
29 Post contains links ferpe : Here a Flightbglobal article about the production of the 789 horizontal stabilizer, it says the first 789 would be LN 126: http://www.flightglobal.com
30 sunrisevalley : Would this suggest Q1 2013 for assembly? How many frames are needed for the flight test program. More than two?
31 dkny : When will ET receive their 787. They have it in their schedule to JNB and DXB starting june 15.
32 kanban : maybe, maybe 4qtr 12.. if the line is moving at rate by the 4 qtr, it should take about 2 weeks from receipt to roll out. Now if they hold it to the
33 PHX787 : I've seen pix of China Eastern 787s sitting on the hardstand at PAE.... Will those be delivered?
34 redrooster3 : Those are china southern's you're thinking of
35 PHX787 : Ah my mistake, you're right, thanks
36 gemuser : Not to be overly picky but there is a thread about "LA's" first routes. "LN" in this thread refers to the "Line Number" allocated by Boeing to airfra
37 Post contains links redrooster3 : Looks like ANA's getting another 787 tonight! Anyone know the registration? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ANA9397[Edited 2012-03-29 19:02:30]
38 PHX787 : Thanks again for the correction; I always get the codes messed up -_- But yeah, What other routes do you see LA taking with the 787?
39 Dan23 : It must be JA806A (LN40)
40 flood : Indeed, and their second frame for international ops. ANA's FRA daily is now scheduled to begin April 9th. I do wonder when ANA plans on scheduling t
41 tdscanuck : They're always struggling to take the weight off. If they weren't struggling it would be easy, and they'd have done it already. Tom.
42 dynamicsguy : There are plenty of good reasons for what's happening and when, but to give a decent explanation would require information which isn't public. There'
43 PITingres : And I might add that in general, there's no active decision to not publicize the changes, it's just the default. I don't tell the world what I do eve
44 Daysleeper : I understand why you aren’t able to post details and would never expect you too, I just didn’t see the point in posting “I know but I can’t t
45 WarpSpeed : Stepping back to better understand the context here, I'd rather have your insights (as long as you keep your job), than not have it at all. I'm surpr
46 ferpe : @Dynamicsguy, your inputs are always valued. Thanks for your posts, always interesting to read.
47 PlaneAdmirer : Just by some chance he may have responded that way to a false allegation or innuendo that he knows to be inaccurate rather than let it fester in publ
48 dynamicsguy : I didn't mean to stir up controversy. Had it been a general question I would have written nothing. Since there had been a few questions and answers b
49 Daysleeper : I know, I really didn’t mean to make a big deal out of this either, I actually said in the initial post that I realised it wasn’t intentional. I
50 NYC777 : ANA's 7th 787 made it's first flight today. This is ZA105 (L/N 42, JA808A). It is tentatively scheduled to be delivered around mid April (April 17th i
51 starrion : That's some good news. So far most of the delivered frames have been out of the shop for a significant time. Will we start to see some of the new bui
52 dynamicsguy : We should be pretty close to when the airplanes will go straight through final assembly and into delivery preparation. That had been LN 63, then the
53 PHX787 : When is this production plant scheduled to be open?
54 NYC777 : It's been opened since July of last year.
55 NYC777 : Correct L/N 66 is the first one that will go direct to flight testing and pre-delivery.
56 Post contains links redrooster3 : ZA105 (JA808A) first flight today. http://kpae.blogspot.com/ http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE105
57 frigatebird : Then it's gonna be tight to get QR's first 787 ready for Farnborough. I thought that would be LN64,but I guess it will be one of the earlier builds n
58 Post contains links MSN007 : According to the CEO, ET will receive the first two 787s in July August time frame. No exact date and another set back from the anticipated June firs
59 PHX787 : Any updates on DL's delivery schedule? I know they're getting it in 8 years time frame, but doesn't anybody think that's a little far off? Do they nee
60 Stitch : I expect it probably has a year attached to it, but that could be it. They need to replace their 767-300ER and 767-400ER frames eventually and the 78
61 WarpSpeed : Well, according to Allthings787 - QR has LN57 which appears fresh off the FAL. Presumably, it will have fewer mods needed than those before it. With
62 PHX787 : When are the 767s due to be replaced?
63 Stitch : Don't know. If they're undergoing cabin refurbishment, I'd say ~2020. Of not, then earlier. Anyway, this conversation isn't really relevant to the th
64 sweair : They will have about 4 ready to deliver soon, 2 JAL, 1 ANA and 1 AI, but AI has still not solved its claim business with Boeing. It will be exciting t
65 Stitch : Reports say they have done so, even if both sides are giving different figures, so VT-ANH should be delivered next month.
66 WarpSpeed : Any clue why this frame sits in San Antonio? In addition to some flight testing, it has flown to India and back in complete form, correct? Seems like
67 Stitch : Might be to remove the final vestiges of any testing equipment that was installed during her tenure as part of the GEnx certification program. San An
68 ER757 : Will the birds rolling off the line in CHS be ready to deliver straight away or will they require mods as well? If they are complete as they roll out
69 Stitch : They will require mods, probably, but they may be able to be done on the FAL as opposed to after production.
70 WarpSpeed : I've wondered the same. I've read that the North Charleston birds have the benefit of receiving parts/sections delivered in complete form. This would
71 bonusonus : Does Boeing do interior fitting as part of FAL, or do they do it somewhere else, like Airbus does with the A380? Anyone know, or care to speculate ab
72 Post contains links hiflyer : Question regarding the UA787's due out this year.....there is a slightly wandering discussion at UA Long-Haul Changes (by CALMSP Apr 2 2012 in Civil A
73 PHX787 : IIRC I thought first one was due in late July and was going to run some domestic routes before more come in for international service.
74 NYC777 : Boeing says that the first 787 to be built in South Carolina will roll out on April 27th. Party in North Charleston!
75 NYC777 : Just updated my 787 production spreadsheet on my blog. Customers for LN 71 to LN 75 now revealed.
76 NYC777 : I also have infomation on where LN 63-LN75 will be built.
77 kanban : Boeing interiors are generally completed in the FAL.. usually in the last 3 positions in the traditional line.. the 787 having only 4 positions, I'd
78 PHX787 : Not to be a re-hasher or appear to be 100% out of the loop, but is JL immediately starting their 787 with the BOS flight, or are they using it on dome
79 Post contains links Spacepope : Looks like ZA181 did a flight test this past weekend. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20120407/1830Z/KMWH/KPAE Should be JA805A for J
80 Post contains links Revelation : No problem with asking questions... http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...rst-787s-en-route-to-tokyo-369970/ says: So the 787 is in service already
81 Post contains images redrooster3 : Small Mistake, you meant NH.
82 Spacepope : Indeed! I'm not even going to invoke infallibility on that one. Hopefully this means more deliveries coming up soon.
83 Hmelawyer : I believe that ZA 181 (L/N 38) will be JA827J for JAL. JA805A was already delivered to NH (L/N 31). Looks like ZA 180 (L/N 37) has also had its first
84 United787 : Three first flights so far this month...dare I say 787 is hitting a stride? The three that have flown are the three that NYC777 reported would be deli
85 petera380 : No not yet, these have all had rework done etc. Not until the first few are delivered that require no rework will they be hitting their stride! At le
86 warpspeed : Agreed. Completion of change incorporation and rework has shown to be highly unpredictable to suggest deliveries have hit a stride. But, at least Apr
87 United787 : I agree as well, I was referring to a stride purely for the rework. It seems like most of the unpredictability was in Jan-Feb timeframe because of th
88 warpspeed : All good points. Admittedly, I'm a bit jaded given the history of the 787 program. Like you, I am growing more optimistic that we will see more consi
89 ual747-600 : Do we have any indication what line numbers will deliver after the 3 currently set for April? I believe industry confidence in the program will return
90 Post contains links dynamicsguy : LN 47 has been at the Everett Modification Center and is now in a paint hangar so it could be up soon. And maybe the two Air India airframes in San A
91 starrion : Given that the three for delivery this month have already flown, is there any indication when the deliveries happen? Or are we going to be seeing more
92 juanchito : A new deliver 787 to Ana will depart soon with Biofuel. This will be the first Dreamliner running on Biofuel. Took the information from the @BoeingAir
93 United787 : I don't have a twitter account, which aircraft is this? Has it been delivered already? Is this the delivery flight or just testing on an aircraft tha
94 dynamicsguy : This is LN 42 (ZA105). It was delivered in the last day or so.
95 Post contains links warpspeed : Here's the pic. Can't make out the registration but going by the Production and Disposition chart on All Things 787 this is likely ZA105/LN42/JA808A/3
96 Post contains images BLRAviation : The over-riding reason for the bailout was to proceed with the procurement of the 787.
97 Post contains links ual747-600 : Delivery flight tonight filed: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ANA9397 UAL747-600
98 BlueSky1976 : The first 787 for Lot Polish Airlines is on final assembly line position, indicating that we should see it in full LO livery within next few weeks.
99 United787 : Delivered to Date, 9 aircraft: L/N 8 - JA801A - 9/25/2011 - NH (ANA) L/N 24 - JA802A - 10/13/2011 - NH (ANA) L/N 31 - JA805A - 12/30/2011 - NH (ANA) L
100 United787 : With Air India having 9 already assembled (or being assembled) aircraft (of the total 49), I wonder how much Air India's problems are screwing up Boe
101 Someone83 : Boeing manage to screw up their 787 production completely by themselves....
102 PHX787 : I see that JA803A is not listed here: what happened to that sequence?
103 United787 : The same question was asked in the previous thread, but not answered. I am guessing that with the rework required, the original aircraft that was des
104 Stitch : Should be none at all. When Boeing has a a 787 ready for delivery to Air India, Air India is ready to take it.
105 ual747-600 : There were 2 Dreamlifter flights to Chubu today/yesterday to pick up parts. I don't believe we've ever had 2 flights in week, let alone the same 24 ho
106 PHX787 : I have a feeling these will be with the expansion from the CHS factory.
107 Post contains links Kochikaze : JAL announces launch dates of another 787 service. JL749/JL740 NRT - DEL from May 1 2012. 4 of the 5 weekly flights will be downsized from 777-200ER.
108 N14AZ : Nice to see how the fleets are growing. Please keep us informed and thanks for all the updates.
109 Post contains images Stitch : Both planes completed their B1 flights earlier this month. If they have completed their C1 flights and JL is happy with what they see, both should be
110 Post contains links warpspeed : Flightware shows that L/N 29/AT-AND took a short 1.5 hour hop around northwest Texas the other day. Maybe she'll be ready for a ferry flight to Evere
111 PHX787 : What was she doing down there in the first place?
112 Hmelawyer : Down in San Antonio getting change incorporation completed. In addition to converting L/N 4-6 to customer airplanes some GE birds were assigned to Sa
113 PHX787 : I'm sorry, what's change incorporation?
114 dynamicsguy : Both have had customer flights.
115 Stitch : Making all the changes to completed airframes to correct issues found on the test fleet during the certification process. These changes are necessary
116 PHX787 : Gotcha, thanks. Do they only do this in Texas?
117 Stitch : Most of it is being done in Everett.
118 Post contains links Someone83 : http://kpae.blogspot.com/2012/04/paine-field-april-23.html Do anyone know which 787 that got its engines innstalled in the EMC here?
119 Stitch : Considering JL's livery is all-white, I'm guessing it is ZA178 / LN27 / 34834. That being said, NH, UA and LA all have planes in the EMC, as well.
120 ual747-600 : My .02 is that it's Line #50 for UA as the one for JL, and they only have one in EMC if All Things 787 is correct, is behind it. Additionally, ZA233/L
121 Post contains links ual747-600 : Now the AI flight is back in Flightaware. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE233 How much work remains to be done once the plane leaves KSKF before
122 gordomatic : I wonder what they were trying to verify during the 1st 2 1/2 hours of flight (doing laps).
123 warpspeed : Interior finishings? Let's hope that the San Antonio work-site accomplished everything else. Talk has been that she'll deliver later in May.
124 dynamicsguy : All white is how the sections arrive at the assembly line, so it's not a giveaway. I believe you are correct about the LN though. Even though updated
125 NYC777 : Mostly just installation of the interiors maybe touch up of the painting then on to Boeing and customer test flights.
126 Someone83 : Are Boeing planning to send any more 787s to Texas, other than those allready there, or is there enough capacity at Everett to do the remaining modifi
127 Post contains links ual747-600 : There's is a shot of ANA's LN7 with engines on which is below. Thank you Matt. http://paineairport.com/kpae4910.htm From this point with engines on, w
128 kanban : Well there is capacity there and now there are mechanics familiar with the plane.. so it's a solid "possibly"...
129 United787 : I noticed on All Things 787 that the two JAL planes were officially delievered today. Delivered to Date, 11 aircraft: L/N 8 - JA801A - 9/25/2011 - NH
130 sunrisevalley : This shows progress on delivering the early builds is slow!
131 PM : Is this the missing JA803A?
132 Stitch : Which is per expectations considering the amount of change incorporation necessary and the amount of preparation work necessary to do it (as in disas
133 Post contains links 757gb : As per Flightglobal the 787 unit cost are expected to drop 50% in a few months. I'm not familiar with how this is calculated exactly but it seems an e
134 Stitch : I expect a significant part of the cost for earlier frames is labor hours related to change incorporation. Many of the changes required disassembly o
135 757gb : Makes a lot of sense. Thank you very much for the clarification.
136 Revelation : It was interesting to read that Airplane 66 will be the first one to go "right to pre-flight", and that CHS's first airframe will roll out on April 2
137 sunrisevalley : Can someone summarise what the certification process will be for the 789 and what the expected elapsed time to achieve this
138 Post contains links SCL767 : LAN expects to receive its first B-787-8 by late September or early October. Here is LN16, LAN's second B-787-8 at KPAE: http://paineairport.com/kpae
139 Post contains links and images rotating14 : Looks like JL recieved 2 787's today. http://boeing-test-flights.blogspot.com/
140 Post contains links warpspeed : A little nugget of info from http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...gy/2018085280_boeingscsetup28.html "Willy Geary, who is in charge of the mid-fusel
141 pygmalion : Its actually rare to ship a section on any airplane program perfectly clean, no open paper. 5 jobs is down in the noise level. One late part can hold
142 starrion : So keeping my fingers crossed here, If 66 and above go directly to flight, then we should see a bump in the delivery numbers shortly as the "rework f
143 SCL767 : IIRC, the "rework factory" will now deliver 3.5 B-787-8s per month. By year's end, Boeing will be able to deliver 5 B-787-8s per month. This explains
144 cmf : You don't want traveled work but reality is that you accept it because holding parts until everything is complete is even more expensive. In both tim
145 Post contains links dynamicsguy : It's the new-build factory running at 3.5/month. Lately it seems like some relatively high LNs have been in the Everett Modification Center - high 40
146 SCL767 : Thanks for the clarification, LN 10 is LAN's first B-787-8. Yesterday during LAN's Shareholders' Meeting, LAN issued a press statement detailing the
147 Stitch : Makes sense to focus resources on planes that need the least amount of re-work to get them to the customer and free up space for the earlier builds t
148 ual747-600 : I wonder if LAN will receive later builds (LN 68 and 74) this year instead of the earlier builds you mentioned. Does anyone know how long it takes at
149 Stitch : Depends on how much work needs to be done and how hard it is to do it.
150 PHX787 : This might have been covered, but which LNs are going to be shipped out of CHS in the coming months? I might make my way down there for some spotting.
151 MEA-707 : Actually I was impressed that JAL got their first four 787s in the last 6 weeks and ANA now have 7 in total. But things are a bit quiet again regardin
152 dynamicsguy : LN 47 and LN 48 (both for ANA) have both been through the paint hangars recently so you'd think they would be candidates for delivery soon. There are
153 Post contains links ual747-600 : Here's a shot from Matt Cawby's site of JA810A. Thank you Matt. Do we know what line number this aircraft is? http://paineairport.com/kpae4980.htm UAL
154 NYC777 : JA810A is another 787 that has been rolled out and is at the Fuel Dock. By my estimation it old be any one of the following: LN7, LN12, LN48 (most lik
155 Post contains links NYC777 : It looks like LN47 will be having its first flight today according to Flightaware: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE506
156 757gb : Now THAT is going to be one beautiful 787... can't wait to see it.
157 Post contains images SCL767 : I can't wait to see it painted in LAN's livery! I'm on the first revenue flight!
158 ual747-600 : Line 47 for ANA is flying today. Why would Boeing give the aircraft a temp N registration number? UAL747-600
159 petera380 : Probably if the aircraft is involved in some sort of flight testing other then a normal B1 or C1 flight I would think.
160 sweair : I am used to throwing OEW-116 tons around for 788, has this changed? What is the goal with LN90? Why don't they put the numbers up on the web? Maybe I
161 Post contains links WarpSpeed : Further, in Matt Cawby's video of JA809A's taxi test yesterday you can see the word "experimental" over the 1st doorway. Assuming the decal had not b
162 sunrisevalley : A very good question ! PIANO X is using an OEW of 120.792t for a version they call (502) eis V11. I assume this refers to a EIS weight. I believe it
163 Post contains images 757gb : Lucky you!
164 Stitch : That last published figure for OEW was 111.5t (December 2011). Speculation this is the OEW for LN90 and later.
165 sunrisevalley : For which B reported late 2011 /early in 2012 that they were ahead of their self imposed schedule to achieve.
166 Post contains links WarpSpeed : Looks like JA809A came back from its first flight with the RAT deployed. http://paineairport.com/kpae4986.htm
167 Stitch : I believe testing the RAT is part of all B1 test flights.
168 tdscanuck : That's supposed to happen. Every B1 comes back with the RAT out...just hang around Everett. If it comes back from a B1 without the RAT deployed that'
169 Post contains images lightsaber : Boeing is making good progress. Now to see them work up to 10 per month. Wait, we would see LN90 at below EIS target weight? Ok, that would have been
170 ferpe : I don't think so, the diff between the 332 and 333 is for aircraft stressed to the same MTOW (the 332 238t and 333 235t). This is not the case for th
171 Post contains images sweair : Quite steep from 112 t in the 788? Are they adding lead?
172 Stitch : [quote=sunrisevalley,reply=162]What OEW spread is reasonable for the difference of 6.1m between the 788 and 789[.../quote] Airbus believes it's 8 tons
173 sweair : A stretch is heavy for sure a lot more than I would think it was.
174 Stitch : Stretches often have higher MTOWs and MZFWs, so there is some structural strengthening in addition to the stretch. Then there is the weight of the ex
175 WarpSpeed : Thanks Tom. Any idea why there is an "Experimental" decal and a temporary N designation on this frame?
176 sunrisevalley : The TK A332 and A330 spread also has to allow for extra seats and fittings etc. I went back to Widebodyphotog's early work and he used a OEW spread o
177 tdscanuck : Most likely they're doing an add-on or ride-along test. The basic production airworthiness certificates only cover production test; if you're going t
178 sweair : On wiki it says OEW 115t for the 789, must be far off, like 10t.. IF LN90+ is 111.5t the stretch would be like 13.5t.. Either the 788 LN90+ airframes
179 sunrisevalley : It was expected that a block point would be reached somewhere in the mid LN60's. Is there anything new on this?
180 dynamicsguy : No blockpoints in the mid 60s, but LN66 is meant to be the first airplane to go straight from final assembly to delivery preparation. This appears to
181 sunrisevalley : Is it expected that there will be one between now and LN90?
182 kanban : Boeing is probably at a point where major block-points have given way to small incremental changes incorporated t what ever point the customer, vendo
183 sweair : Will the range numbers change in the future or is the current info taking the LN90 class weights into account? ANA and JAL both fly with below 200 sea
184 ferpe : The Boeing website gives a range of seatings and max range values, the two end points are 210 Pax and 8200nm and 250 Pax and 7650nm. The differ in OE
185 sweair : It should be in Boeing's best interest to see to it that the public info is correct, otherwise they risk rumours becoming the accepted norm. Maybe th
186 sunrisevalley : I don't think what the public knows is important to Boeing. However I am certain that their customers for the type know what the values are.
187 Post contains links WarpSpeed : Allthings 787 is reporting that only one 787 will be delivered this month - ZA233 (LN29, VT-AND) for Air India. http://nyc787.blogspot.com/ Albaugh no
188 RJ_Delta : The aircraft LN68 now entry into assembly line at Everett. Now it could be the first aircraft for LAN Airlines. Best Regards,
189 tdscanuck : An FMC software cert would certainly drive you into Experimental territory. The FMC and flight controls aren't coupled as far as I know; I don't see
190 sweair : All the frames past LN65 require no rework, but maybe they need this new FMC update, but that is hardly an EMC task? ANA has the first rework free fra
191 NYC777 : Don't expect LN 66 and later aircraft to start delivering until late June/early July.
192 Post contains links SCL767 : Here is the official press release from LAN: LAN’s first 787 Dreamliner enters Boeing’s final assembly factory Saludos
193 sweair : If no rework is needed, why would it take more than a month to deliver?
194 Stitch : Not everything is installed on the FAL. The interior (seats, galleys and lavs), for example, is installed off the FAL. Also, there are at least one B
195 ADent : WOW.
196 sweair : Seems like the 787 is not out of the woods just yet, after 2 months with 3 deliveries they are down to 1 again.. A sad tale of a project derailed long
197 Stitch : Boeing is concentrating on the airframes with the least amount of re-work needed, but they still need re-work. This week Boeing again announced studi
198 kanban : I believe the galleys and lavs are installed much earlier on the plane .. like back in the subs. they are definitely in when the plane is in FAL. Now
199 tdscanuck : Like kanban said, I'm pretty sure the interior goes in in the FAL. However, between rolling out of the factory and delivery you have: -paint -first f
200 WarpSpeed : Thanks for the detailed run down! By way of reference, how much time would this typically take for mature programs like the 777 and 767?[Edited 2012-
201 scouseflyer : Thanks for that fantastic insight - being an outsider to aviation, why fuel then de-fuel is this to ensure that there's no swarf or dust in the syste
202 Post contains links and images kiwiandrew : This report from ATW made me laugh http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...+AtwDailyNews+%28ATW+Daily+News%29 ... LAN, which will take delivery of its
203 WarpSpeed : I must be getting too serious. My main take-away was that LAN's first frame is entering final production now, but won't be delivered until late 2012.
204 kanban : could be that's when the customer requested delivery for various reasons.. maybe they're trying to get the one that's been complete since 2010 ready
205 tdscanuck : I think it's something like 3-4 weeks for a 777...767 might go slower because the production rate is so low (i.e. they may not be running the flightl
206 Ruscoe : I don't know if this is the case, but I have been thinking that Boeing will have to be careful not to give advantage to a late build 787 customer ove
207 sweair : LAN said august for the first 788?..
208 kanban : several news services reported that line #5 stopped in at SEA for fit checking to the South concourse gate and ramp .. nice to hear but would have lov
209 Post contains links SCL767 : Between August and October, LAN will have two B-787-8s in the fleet. Here is LN68, LAN's first B-787-8: http://paineairport.com/kpae2922.htm
210 Post contains images Stitch : Next to TG's 787s, the one I look most forward to seeing in full livery is LAN's.
211 ER757 : Ditto that - I think KE's will be quite striking as well. I've always been partial to their livery anyhow.
212 sweair : When is the first -9 to be assembled? How much will it differ from the 788? The 7810 is a straight strech of the -9?
213 Stitch : I believe it's early 2013 (maybe even late 2012). It will have a reinforced structure to handle the higher operating weights. I believe it will also
214 Post contains images sweair : Imo the 7810 would need a larger wing, but hey I am not paying
215 Post contains images Stitch : Not at the same MTOW of the 787-9, which is where the current studies seem to be falling. That being said, GE at least is mumbling they will be able
216 Stitch : So I am guessing ZA237 (LN46) did not make her first flight from CHS yesterday and I don't see anything on FlightAware for today.
217 Post contains images PHX787 : Is there anybody in the CHS area who could take photos whenever something flies outta there? I checked the database and I've only seen 67 total photo
218 Post contains images caetravlr : I wish I had the equipment and the talent to photograph it myself. I definitely want to find out when it is supposed to fly and to watch that puppy t
219 ual747-600 : JA810A is flying for the first time today. UAL747-600
220 Post contains links ual747-600 : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE507 Ual747-600
221 Post contains links ual747-600 : LN46 ZA237 is scheduled for it's first flight out of KCHS today. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE237 UAL747-600[Edited 2012-05-21 11:08:31]
222 petera380 : Flightware says BOE237 is a B777 18-Mar-2012 B773/Q Snohomish County (KPAE) Snohomish County (KPAE) 07:50AM PDT 08:23AM PDT 0:33
223 kanban : try BOE233
224 ual747-600 : LN 46 ZA237's flight today as BOE237 was cancelled today. UAL747-600
225 robk : BOE237 is correct - VT-ANI first one from CHS. BOE233 is VT-AND. BOE236 is VT-ANH. The 'old' BOE237 was variable # WE237 which was B77W B-KPZ with Ca
226 Post contains links WarpSpeed : Looks like Boeing will attempt the first flight of the South Carolina built 787 on Wednesday 5/23/12 (or 23/05/12 to the rest of the world). http://se
227 starrion : By the way, what happened with ZA236? I heard at one point that it was nearly ready for delivery, did a bunch of flights, now it is back at San Antoni
228 Stitch : Still undergoing Change Incorporation & Rework on the Everett flightline per All Things 787.
229 Post contains links WarpSpeed : LN46 ZA237 is airborne after a couple of taxi tests... http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE237
230 ual747-600 : It's interesting to see where they will be flying test flights out of KCHS. I would think the 100 + miles out over open ocean would be vacant of traf
231 Post contains links ual747-600 : Here's a picture from Flightglobal. http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...lt-boeing-787-takes-flight-372248/ Looks like the tires are smoking or is t
232 WarpSpeed : I doubt the tires would be smoking. I chalked it up to a poor image capture. Flightglobal likely reported the flight from its D.C. office using the l
233 brons2 : So from reading on All Things 787, the first L/N that will not need rework before delivery is 66?
234 SonomaFlyer : Correct.
235 Revelation : Yes, the picture is full of motion artifacts, sigh...
236 dynamicsguy : It didn't come back to Everett until a few days ago which won't leave enough time for the customer flights and delivery preparations by the end of th
237 Ruscoe : Smoke of tyres I suspect is fine brake lining powder being blown out for the first time. Ruscoe
238 Post contains images PHX787 : Very nice! Congrats to CHS. Get Royal S. King down there to CHS for some shots!
239 NYC777 : Ive updated the spreadsheets on my blog to reflect the production of L/N 76 to L/N 80
240 tdscanuck : It was the last of the GE ETOPS/F&R certification birds. It did all that out of Boeing Field, then went to San Antonio for change incorporation/r
241 Post contains links ual747-600 : I think we have a new ANA 787 painted at the fuel dock at KPAE. http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/7268951466/ Does anyone know which one this is? UAL
242 flightsimer : I haven't followed it that closely, but how many 787s are getting the 787 painted on the side? I thought it was only going to be the first two aircraf
243 dynamicsguy : The first two have a special livery - not just the big 787. The remainder are getting the regular ANA livery with the big 787.
244 PM : No, just a finite number. Ten? I've flown on 801 and 802 (special livery) and 804 (standard livery plus big 787 on the fuselage).
245 Ronaldo747 : Afaik only the 2012 delivered ANA 787s will get the 787 decal on the fuselage, after that there will be the standard ANA c/s on the 787s
246 PHX787 : Hi, which routes are JL flying their 787s on this year? I Know it's to Moscow, Boston, and Beijing, but are there any other routes planned for it this
247 SCL767 : JL also flies NRT-DEL with the B787-8s and will operate both HND-SIN and NRT-SIN with the B787-8s. JL also plans to operate TYO-SAN and TYO-HEL with
248 rogercamel : Is there a date set for the commencement of the Tokyo - SIN on 787? Thanks
249 SCL767 : On October 28th, JAL will deploy the B-787-8 on the HND-SIN route daily. On the same date, JAL will increase frequency on the NRT-SIN route to 2x dai
250 PHX787 : Both flights to SIN on the 788, or just one flight 788?
251 flightsimer : What you quoted said both flights would be 787s.
252 SCL767 : Both flights will operate daily with the B-787-8. Thus, JAL will offer three daily B-787-8 operated flights between TYO and SIN.
253 United787 : Almost the end of May...only 3 more days to deliver to AI this month... Delivered to Date, 11 aircraft: L/N 8 - JA801A - 9/25/2011 - NH (ANA) L/N 24 -
254 United787 : I am curious to see a list of the routes currently being flown by NH and JL. It would also be a great to see a list of future routes (already loaded i
255 PHX787 : Maybe a "Current 787 routes thread" ? That might work. I would let a mod start it or someone familiar with NH, JL, or Boeing.
256 Post contains links United787 : I took a stab at it... Current & Future 787 Routes #1 (by United787 May 29 2012 in Civil Aviation)
257 NYC777 : It is a new one, I'm working to find out which one it is along with registration. I suspect that it is LN 59.
258 BrouAviation : May be I am sharing old news and is this discussed elsewhere, but a dutch aviation news website (LVN) reports AI will not take delivery of any 787 be
259 Post contains links someone83 : http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...mpensation-before-delivery-372441/ Seems to be reported by Flightglobal as well.......so here we go again!
260 RobK : I guess the "deal on compensations" has been agreed upon then........
261 Post contains links 747classic : Another article about the Air India compensation can be found here : http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....e-xml/awx_05_29_2012_p0-462758.xml No agre
262 Post contains links ual747-600 : It's JA812A according to the photo below from Flickr. http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/7299830878/ UAL747-600
263 NYC777 : Yeah I think this is LN 56 for ANA. Also another unpainted 787 with engines is out and this may be LN 58 for Qatar Airways. The rudder is painteed a
264 aeroblogger : I'm completely confused about VT-ANH. Some guys I know casually at Air India fleet planning said that it was delivered yesterday. An A.netter who has
265 NYC777 : quite interesting, If Air India is still negotiating for compensation then there shouldn't be any deliveries made especially paper deliveries which w
266 NYC777 : Just got confirmation that JA812A is LN 56 for ANA and is being readied for delivery. Looks like ANA will get 3 787s in June.
267 WarpSpeed : Kinda bummed that we are not going to see many or any frames delivered in May. However, while we A.Netters tend to hang on monthly deliveries, I suspe
268 NYC777 : Just put up a post on my blog with a lot more information regarding 787 deliveries in June.
269 Post contains links WarpSpeed : The first North Charleston-built 787 is heading to San Antonio to be painted in Air India's livery. With all the AI drama, should Boeing even bother?
270 dynamicsguy : Boeing does have a good reason to focus on monthly deliveries since I understand that the they are contracted to deliver in a certain month. If you w
271 flashmeister : Isn't the painting being done in Fort Worth?
272 NYC777 : Yes it is.
273 Post contains links LipeGIG : As this thread becomes too long, we are now closing (archiving) it for further discussions and opening a new one (Part 4) Please see the link below: 7
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