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787 Production Thread Part 3  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 60784 times:
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Good evening ladies and gents,

This is a continuation thread of part 2 which can be found here: 787 Production Thread Part 2 Please feel free to continue your discussion on this topic in this thread.

Enjoy the forums!

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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30539 posts, RR: 84
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 60794 times:
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Did JL take delivery of both JA822J and JA825J or just one of them?

And has NH taken delivery of JA806A yet?


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7180 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 60565 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Did JL take delivery of both JA822J and JA825J or just one of them?

I checked wiki and the Boeing website just now and it only showed just one of them.



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User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 868 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 60455 times:

From Part 2:

Quoting sunrisevalley:

Do we know if weight reduced parts are being installed as they become available or are they being accumulated for the change to be made at a specific L/N.?

Unless there is a sufficiently strong business case, the changes are accumulated for blockpoints. The rationale for this is that it reduces the variation between airframes and allows for a more stable build process. The decision on what changes to include at each blockpoint are made a significant time in advance.

I know of one change we're making off blockpoint, but that's for a significant cost saving and has a very low impact to our build process and no impact at final assembly.


User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1167 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 60273 times:

Two 787 where delivered to JAL today, info taken from Boeing Twitter

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2 Dreamliners in one day. We just delivered another 787 to JAL. Congrats to our great customer! #Boeing #JAL787

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User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4854 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 60165 times:

Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 3):
The decision on what changes to include at each blockpoint are made a significant time in advance.

Are the block points known beyond a few Boeing insider's?


User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 868 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 60059 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 5):
Are the block points known beyond a few Boeing insider's?

It's not just a few insiders - it was communicated to our entire engineering organisation - but it seems to be kept internal. I've not seen Boeing publicly announce 787 blockpoints apart from the LN 7 and 20 blockpoints. In media and blogs I've seen LNs 7, 20, 34 and 90 identified correctly. I also saw 50 come up a lot which was close but not quite right.

The next obvious points are when they can roll in 787-9 changes. For common parts you'd probably see a blockpoint at the first -8 after the first -9 is assembled, and the first -8 after the -9 is certified.


User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 59686 times:

What did get delivered yesterday? 2 JAL? Not 1 for ANA? It seems like they will repeat this in april, 2 JAL and 1 ANA.

LOT will be the first european airline to fly 787. All the lease company owned frames, when are they due? As many airlines will fly these frames. In a year or so we should see more of 787s flying in europe, SAS is asleep as always..


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8941 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 57026 times:

Boeing set up a website for the JAL delivery:

http://www.newairplane.com/787/delivery/#/en/jal/home/

Looks like they will be posting videos of the delivery ceremony, fly away and arrival ceremony.



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User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4854 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 56855 times:

Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 6):
In media and blogs I've seen LNs 7, 20, 34 and 90 identified correctly. I also saw 50 come up a lot which was close but not quite right.

So it is likely that a block point is about to or has just passed. Would you expect that there was an OEW reduction at this point?


User currently offlineliftsifter From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 56335 times:

Royal Jordanian's first delivery has been pushed to early 2014, as opposed to mid 2013. Some rumors even point to first delivery in 2015.

Does anyone have any idea when the whole delivery schedule will become regulated? It felt like Boeing was doing so well since Paris and then delivered the first ANA and then forgot about the other 800+ orders they have on the books.



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30539 posts, RR: 84
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 56300 times:
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Quoting liftsifter (Reply 10):
Does anyone have any idea when the whole delivery schedule will become regulated?

Boeing will probably be delivering pre-LN30 planes through late 2013, as Boeing will probably only be able to average one of those a month and they have almost two dozen when you include LN4, LN5 and LN7.

LN30-LN45 will probably be the bulk of what is delivered in 2012 - JL's two birds are in this tranche as is the next one due for NH. AI's first bird will also be from this tranche.

LN46 and beyond will require little to no rework and therefore should be delivered soon after leaving the FAL, though they won't start delivering until the second half of the year.


User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 868 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 56157 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 9):
Would you expect that there was an OEW reduction at this point?

Sorry, I know the answer, but it's not in the public domain as far as I've seen.


User currently offlineredrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 55916 times:

JA825J took off earlier om delivery flight, JA822J should be the next one which takes off within an hour. Two more 787's delivered.

Congrats JAL!



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User currently offlineDan23 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 55820 times:

JA822J is airborne now on its delivery flight

User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8941 posts, RR: 40
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 55808 times:

Flight numbers JAL 8101 and 8102 if anyone is interested in tracking them.


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User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1167 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 55732 times:

Why is 8101 going to Narita and 8102 to Haneda?

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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 55315 times:

7 rebuilt and delivered 52 to go  

When they can go from FAL to delivery, how much money will that save Boeing?


User currently offlinestarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 54531 times:

down to a couple days left for the ANA delivery.

It would be nice to see them keep to some sort of plan for a month.....



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2897 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 54292 times:

BOE040 is now up and testing. That's a new LN for me.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...0/history/20120327/2233Z/KPAE/KMWH



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7180 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 54255 times:

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 19):
BOE040 is now up and testing. That's a new LN for me.

There's a thread about LN's first routes; when is it supposed to be delivered?



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User currently offlineDan23 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 54173 times:

I think BOE040 is ZA117/LN40/JA806A (with its new engines) which has flown a number of times previously as BOE117. That call sign was already being used today by a 77W so it possibly explains the change.

User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 868 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 54153 times:

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 19):
BOE040 is now up and testing. That's a new LN for me.

That's odd. Usually the flight number has been based on the effectivity. If that is LN 40, which makes sense since it's the next one due to be delivered, then it's ZA117 and would usually have the flight number BOE117. It looks like that flight number was used by a 777 flight back from PDX today.

LN 40 had already made several flights, but according to kpae.blogspot.com it had its engines changed a few days ago.

Quoting starrion (Reply 18):

down to a couple days left for the ANA delivery.

It would be nice to see them keep to some sort of plan for a month.....

Even their mature programs seem to have a flurry of deliveries in the last couple of days of the month, so it's not just the 787.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5731 posts, RR: 48
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 53212 times:

Ok someone cancelled 24 787s this week according to Boeing. Who is it?


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User currently onlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 580 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 53121 times:

My money would be on a reduction by Qantas and/or China Eastern. Qantas seems to be in super reorganization mode lately and may have cancelled a sizable lot of 787s. China Eastern ordered 45 737s this week as well. Maybe they cancelled their 787s as part of a switch. British Airways has exactly 24 on order, but it doesn't seem like them to cancel. Air India said in the last few weeks they would take all of theirs, but maybe compensation talks broke down and they are taking only a few.

[Edited 2012-03-29 08:29:41]


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User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 616 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 53543 times:

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 24):
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/boe...ped-787s-order-for-737s-2011-10-18

Hey guys, this may shed light on the order depletion, but this happened back in the beginning of October. Here we are at the end of March and its now being reflected. Guess the reports happened faster than the actual cancellation


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5731 posts, RR: 48
Reply 26, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 53513 times:

Yeah Flightblogger is saying it's China Eastern. Swapping the 45 737s for the 24 787s.


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User currently offlineDaysleeper From UK - England, joined Dec 2009, 838 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 54150 times:

Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 12):
Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 9):Would you expect that there was an OEW reduction at this point?
Sorry, I know the answer, but it's not in the public domain as far as I've seen.

I know it wasn’t intentional, but posts like that are really frustrating. It also makes me suspect that they are struggling to take the weight off, as a weight reduction would be good news so no reason to keep it quiet.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 23):
Ok someone cancelled 24 787s this week according to Boeing. Who is it?

Do you know how the order was broken up? As I posted in the 2012 order thread the China cancellation was 15 788’s and 9 789’s… So if the shoe fits…


User currently offlineredrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 28, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 54047 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 23):
Ok someone cancelled 24 787s this week according to Boeing. Who is it?

This was the China Eastern cancel last year, they exchanged for 737's. And they firmed the exchange. No new cancellations.



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User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2800 posts, RR: 59
Reply 29, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 54050 times:

Here a Flightbglobal article about the production of the 789 horizontal stabilizer, it says the first 789 would be LN 126:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ntal-stabiliser-production-370108/

Delivery to FAL Q4 2012.



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User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4854 posts, RR: 5
Reply 30, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 53913 times:

Quoting ferpe (Reply 29):
Here a Flightbglobal article about the production of the 789 horizontal stabilizer, it says the first 789 would be LN 126:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ntal-stabiliser-production-370108/

Delivery to FAL Q4 2012.

Would this suggest Q1 2013 for assembly? How many frames are needed for the flight test program. More than two?


User currently offlinedkny From Ethiopia, joined Mar 2004, 714 posts, RR: 2
Reply 31, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 53714 times:

When will ET receive their 787. They have it in their schedule to JNB and DXB starting june 15.

User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3383 posts, RR: 26
Reply 32, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 53608 times:
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Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 30):
Would this suggest Q1 2013 for assembly?


maybe, maybe 4qtr 12.. if the line is moving at rate by the 4 qtr, it should take about 2 weeks from receipt to roll out. Now if they hold it to the side for instrumentation it could take longer, however I suspect instrumentation will occur after assembly


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7180 posts, RR: 17
Reply 33, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 53628 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 26):
Yeah Flightblogger is saying it's China Eastern. Swapping the 45 737s for the 24 787s.

I've seen pix of China Eastern 787s sitting on the hardstand at PAE.... Will those be delivered?



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User currently offlineredrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 34, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 53337 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 33):
I've seen pix of China Eastern 787s sitting on the hardstand at PAE.... Will those be delivered

Those are china southern's you're thinking of



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7180 posts, RR: 17
Reply 35, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 53196 times:

Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 34):
Those are china southern's you're thinking of

Ah my mistake, you're right, thanks



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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5607 posts, RR: 6
Reply 36, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 53068 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 20):
There's a thread about LN's first routes; when is it supposed to be delivered?

Not to be overly picky but there is a thread about "LA's" first routes. "LN" in this thread refers to the "Line Number" allocated by Boeing to airframes.

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User currently offlineredrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 37, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 53047 times:

Looks like ANA's getting another 787 tonight! Anyone know the registration?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ANA9397

[Edited 2012-03-29 19:02:30]


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7180 posts, RR: 17
Reply 38, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 52988 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 36):
Not to be overly picky but there is a thread about "LA's" first routes. "LN" in this thread refers to the "Line Number" allocated by Boeing to airframes.

Thanks again for the correction; I always get the codes messed up -_-

But yeah, What other routes do you see LA taking with the 787?



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User currently offlineDan23 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 52962 times:

Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 37):
Looks like ANA's getting another 787 tonight! Anyone know the registration?

It must be JA806A (LN40)


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 40, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 52890 times:

Quoting Dan23 (Reply 39):
It must be JA806A (LN40)

Indeed, and their second frame for international ops. ANA's FRA daily is now scheduled to begin April 9th. I do wonder when ANA plans on scheduling their birds for the delamination check?

Meanwhile, JA822J returned from a short loop out of Kansai and JA825J just departed Kansai as JAL4387.


User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 41, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 52823 times:

Quoting Daysleeper (Reply 27):
I know it wasn’t intentional, but posts like that are really frustrating. It also makes me suspect that they are struggling to take the weight off

They're always struggling to take the weight off. If they weren't struggling it would be easy, and they'd have done it already.

Tom.


User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 868 posts, RR: 9
Reply 42, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 52794 times:

Quoting Daysleeper (Reply 27):
I know it wasn't intentional, but posts like that are really frustrating. It also makes me suspect that they are struggling to take the weight off

There are plenty of good reasons for what's happening and when, but to give a decent explanation would require information which isn't public. There's a bunch of changes made at each blockpoint - some to reduce cost, reduce weight, fix problems, etc. If I didn't care about keeping my job then I could discuss this question at length and give you a breakdown, but I happen to like what I do.

Everyone is just getting on with their jobs, and there's no reason to give an update every step of the way.

Be frustrated if you want. I was answering in reply to sunrisevalley's questions and gave what information I could.


User currently offlinePITingres From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1121 posts, RR: 13
Reply 43, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 52147 times:

Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 42):
There are plenty of good reasons for what's happening and when, but to give a decent explanation would require information which isn't public.

And I might add that in general, there's no active decision to not publicize the changes, it's just the default. I don't tell the world what I do every day either; 99% of the time it wouldn't matter, but nobody can be arsed to figure out which bit is the 1% that would matter. So the default is to say nothing unless explicitly permitted.



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User currently offlineDaysleeper From UK - England, joined Dec 2009, 838 posts, RR: 1
Reply 44, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 51977 times:

Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 42):
There are plenty of good reasons for what's happening and when, but to give a decent explanation would require information which isn't public. There's a bunch of changes made at each blockpoint - some to reduce cost, reduce weight, fix problems, etc. If I didn't care about keeping my job then I could discuss this question at length and give you a breakdown, but I happen to like what I do.

I understand why you aren’t able to post details and would never expect you too, I just didn’t see the point in posting “I know but I can’t tell you”


User currently onlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 580 posts, RR: 3
Reply 45, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 51750 times:

Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 42):
I was answering in reply to sunrisevalley's questions and gave what information I could.

Stepping back to better understand the context here, I'd rather have your insights (as long as you keep your job), than not have it at all. I'm surprised your able to share as much as you do.

Quoting Daysleeper (Reply 44):
I just didn’t see the point in posting “I know but I can’t tell you”

Well, at least we are assured that someone at Boeing knows what's going on!



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User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2800 posts, RR: 59
Reply 46, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 51746 times:

@Dynamicsguy, your inputs are always valued. Thanks for your posts, always interesting to read.


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User currently offlinePlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 51721 times:

Quoting Daysleeper (Reply 44):
I understand why you aren’t able to post details and would never expect you too, I just didn’t see the point in posting “I know but I can’t tell you”

Just by some chance he may have responded that way to a false allegation or innuendo that he knows to be inaccurate rather than let it fester in public mind.


User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 868 posts, RR: 9
Reply 48, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 51543 times:

Quoting Daysleeper (Reply 44):
I just didn’t see the point in posting “I know but I can’t tell you”

I didn't mean to stir up controversy. Had it been a general question I would have written nothing. Since there had been a few questions and answers back and forth I just thought it would be more polite than ignoring the question entirely.


User currently offlineDaysleeper From UK - England, joined Dec 2009, 838 posts, RR: 1
Reply 49, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 51307 times:

Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 48):
I didn't mean to stir up controversy. Had it been a general question I would have written nothing. Since there had been a few questions and answers back and forth I just thought it would be more polite than ignoring the question entirely.

I know, I really didn’t mean to make a big deal out of this either, I actually said in the initial post that I realised it wasn’t intentional. I just thought I’d let you know it’s easy to take such comments out of context.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5731 posts, RR: 48
Reply 50, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 50369 times:

ANA's 7th 787 made it's first flight today. This is ZA105 (L/N 42, JA808A). It is tentatively scheduled to be delivered around mid April (April 17th is my latest intel). So far on the 787 production line L/N 58 in position 4, L/N 59 in position 3, L/N 61 in position 2 and L/N 62 in position 1. L/N 60 is scheudle to be assembled in North Charleston.


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User currently offlinestarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 51, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 50270 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 50):
ANA's 7th 787 made it's first flight today. This is ZA105 (L/N 42, JA808A). It is tentatively scheduled to be delivered around mid April (April 17th is my latest intel). So far on the 787 production line L/N 58 in position 4, L/N 59 in position 3, L/N 61 in position 2 and L/N 62 in position 1. L/N 60 is scheudle to be assembled in North Charleston.

That's some good news. So far most of the delivered frames have been out of the shop for a significant time. Will we start to see some of the new builds deliver straight to the customer before spending a couple of quarters parked on the lot?



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User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 868 posts, RR: 9
Reply 52, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 50391 times:

Quoting starrion (Reply 51):
Will we start to see some of the new builds deliver straight to the customer before spending a couple of quarters parked on the lot?

We should be pretty close to when the airplanes will go straight through final assembly and into delivery preparation. That had been LN 63, then the last I remember seeing was that it was LN 66.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7180 posts, RR: 17
Reply 53, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 50254 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 50):
L/N 60 is scheudle to be assembled in North Charleston.

When is this production plant scheduled to be open?



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5731 posts, RR: 48
Reply 54, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 50172 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 53):
When is this production plant scheduled to be open?

It's been opened since July of last year.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5731 posts, RR: 48
Reply 55, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 50187 times:

Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 52):
We should be pretty close to when the airplanes will go straight through final assembly and into delivery preparation. That had been LN 63, then the last I remember seeing was that it was LN 66.

Correct L/N 66 is the first one that will go direct to flight testing and pre-delivery.



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User currently offlineredrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 56, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 49856 times:

ZA105 (JA808A) first flight today.

http://kpae.blogspot.com/

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE105



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User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1562 posts, RR: 1
Reply 57, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 49835 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 55):
Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 52):We should be pretty close to when the airplanes will go straight through final assembly and into delivery preparation. That had been LN 63, then the last I remember seeing was that it was LN 66.
Correct L/N 66 is the first one that will go direct to flight testing and pre-delivery.

Then it's gonna be tight to get QR's first 787 ready for Farnborough. I thought that would be LN64,but I guess it will be one of the earlier builds now - hopefully these won't have that many jobs left to complete... QR will make a big fuss if it's not on time for Farnborough, a place where Boeing will want to make some good, positive publicity with the 787 at last.



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User currently offlineMSN007 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 49067 times:

Quoting dkny (Reply 31):
When will ET receive their 787. They have it in their schedule to JNB and DXB starting june 15.

According to the CEO, ET will receive the first two 787s in July August time frame. No exact date and another set back from the anticipated June first delivery.

http://www.2merkato.com/201204021072...-acquire-15-new-aircraft-this-year


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Reply 59, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 48878 times:

Any updates on DL's delivery schedule? I know they're getting it in 8 years time frame, but doesn't anybody think that's a little far off? Do they need the 787 at all, in anybody's opinion? Do you think they'll just cancel the order?


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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30539 posts, RR: 84
Reply 60, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 48875 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 59):
Any updates on DL's delivery schedule?

I expect it probably has a year attached to it, but that could be it.



Quoting PHX787 (Reply 59):
Do they need the 787 at all, in anybody's opinion?

They need to replace their 767-300ER and 767-400ER frames eventually and the 787-8 is probably better-positioned to do that than the A350-800.


Quoting PHX787 (Reply 59):
Do you think they'll just cancel the order?

They might in the short term to secure more 777s, but I fully expect the 787 will fly in DL colors.


User currently onlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 580 posts, RR: 3
Reply 61, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 48866 times:

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 57):
Then it's gonna be tight to get QR's first 787 ready for Farnborough. I thought that would be LN64,but I guess it will be one of the earlier builds now - hopefully these won't have that many jobs left to complete.

Well, according to Allthings787 - QR has LN57 which appears fresh off the FAL. Presumably, it will have fewer mods needed than those before it. With that said, you are correct that Boeing would be wise to ensure its Farnborough appearance to avoid a giving U-Turn Al a reason to flip-out.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7180 posts, RR: 17
Reply 62, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 48571 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 60):
They need to replace their 767-300ER and 767-400ER frames eventually and the 787-8 is probably better-positioned to do that than the A350-800.

When are the 767s due to be replaced?



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30539 posts, RR: 84
Reply 63, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 48362 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 62):
When are the 767s due to be replaced?

Don't know. If they're undergoing cabin refurbishment, I'd say ~2020. Of not, then earlier. Anyway, this conversation isn't really relevant to the thread, so I'll leave it at that.

[Edited 2012-04-03 19:32:47]

User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 48044 times:

They will have about 4 ready to deliver soon, 2 JAL, 1 ANA and 1 AI, but AI has still not solved its claim business with Boeing.

It will be exciting to see LN66 go straight from FAL to delivery, then at last the 787 project is on track, saving a lot of cost and time for rework too.

They would need to deliver about 4 each moth for the rest of the year to make projections.


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Reply 65, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 47792 times:
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Quoting sweair (Reply 64):
They will have about 4 ready to deliver soon, 2 JAL, 1 ANA and 1 AI, but AI has still not solved its claim business with Boeing.

Reports say they have done so, even if both sides are giving different figures, so VT-ANH should be delivered next month.


User currently onlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 580 posts, RR: 3
Reply 66, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 47660 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 65):
VT-ANH

Any clue why this frame sits in San Antonio? In addition to some flight testing, it has flown to India and back in complete form, correct? Seems like it could have been delivered by now assuming the compensation agreement is final.

[Edited 2012-04-04 08:46:24]


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Reply 67, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 47631 times:
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Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 66):
Any clue why this frame sits in San Antonio?

Might be to remove the final vestiges of any testing equipment that was installed during her tenure as part of the GEnx certification program.

San Antonio was intended to be used to refurbish the test frames [ZA004, ZA005, and ZA006] and one of JL's airframes [ZA177] was there for some time undergoing change incorporation.


User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2489 posts, RR: 7
Reply 68, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 47471 times:

Quoting sweair (Reply 64):
It will be exciting to see LN66 go straight from FAL to delivery, then at last the 787 project is on track, saving a lot of cost and time for rework too.

They would need to deliver about 4 each moth for the rest of the year to make projections.

Will the birds rolling off the line in CHS be ready to deliver straight away or will they require mods as well? If they are complete as they roll out, making 4 per month between the two lines certainly seems achievable


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30539 posts, RR: 84
Reply 69, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 47402 times:
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Quoting ER757 (Reply 68):
Will the birds rolling off the line in CHS be ready to deliver straight away or will they require mods as well?

They will require mods, probably, but they may be able to be done on the FAL as opposed to after production.


User currently onlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 580 posts, RR: 3
Reply 70, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 47419 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 68):
Will the birds rolling off the line in CHS be ready to deliver straight away

I've wondered the same. I've read that the North Charleston birds have the benefit of receiving parts/sections delivered in complete form. This would minimize the post FAL modifications comprised of travel work (i.e. incomplete or erroneous jobs occurring up-stream in the supply line), but it may not cover the modification work related to change incorporation (the mod work driven by design changes stemming from the flight testing/certification program.) At the end of the day, maybe the N. Charleston line is able to do the mods during the production run so the bird comes out "clean."



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User currently offlinebonusonus From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 47188 times:

Quoting sweair (Reply 64):
It will be exciting to see LN66 go straight from FAL to delivery, then at last the 787 project is on track, saving a lot of cost and time for rework too.

Does Boeing do interior fitting as part of FAL, or do they do it somewhere else, like Airbus does with the A380?

Anyone know, or care to speculate about the cycle times for interior fitting?


User currently offlinehiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2165 posts, RR: 3
Reply 72, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 47148 times:

Question regarding the UA787's due out this year.....there is a slightly wandering discussion at UA Long-Haul Changes (by CALMSP Apr 2 2012 in Civil Aviation) regarding UA's cutback on longhaul flying and reallocation of 767 and 757 flying. None of that seems to take in the 787...are the delivery dates firming up on those?

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7180 posts, RR: 17
Reply 73, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 47023 times:

Quoting hiflyer (Reply 72):
are the delivery dates firming up on those?

IIRC I thought first one was due in late July and was going to run some domestic routes before more come in for international service.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5731 posts, RR: 48
Reply 74, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 47048 times:

Boeing says that the first 787 to be built in South Carolina will roll out on April 27th. Party in North Charleston!


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5731 posts, RR: 48
Reply 75, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 47112 times:

Just updated my 787 production spreadsheet on my blog. Customers for LN 71 to LN 75 now revealed.


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5731 posts, RR: 48
Reply 76, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 47001 times:

I also have infomation on where LN 63-LN75 will be built.


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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3383 posts, RR: 26
Reply 77, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 47113 times:
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Quoting bonusonus (Reply 71):
Does Boeing do interior fitting as part of FAL, or do they do it somewhere else, like Airbus does with the A380?

Anyone know, or care to speculate about the cycle times for interior fitting?


Boeing interiors are generally completed in the FAL.. usually in the last 3 positions in the traditional line.. the 787 having only 4 positions, I'd say it's in the last position.. Galleys and lavs are supposed to be installed at the subs..

Once lavs and galley's are in and tested, I've seen the interior from sidewall panels, carpet and seats go in in 3 shifts... and then I've seen them take a week


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7180 posts, RR: 17
Reply 78, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 46117 times:

Not to be a re-hasher or appear to be 100% out of the loop, but is JL immediately starting their 787 with the BOS flight, or are they using it on domestic flights first?


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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2897 posts, RR: 1
Reply 79, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 45999 times:

Looks like ZA181 did a flight test this past weekend.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20120407/1830Z/KMWH/KPAE

Should be JA805A for JAL



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12333 posts, RR: 25
Reply 80, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 45907 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 78):
Not to be a re-hasher or appear to be 100% out of the loop, but is JL immediately starting their 787 with the BOS flight, or are they using it on domestic flights first?

No problem with asking questions...

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...rst-787s-en-route-to-tokyo-369970/ says:

Quote:

Following domestic proving flights to train operations, flight, cabin and maintenance personnel, the airline will begin the first North American 787 service on 22 April connecting Narita Airport with Boston's Logan International Airport, the US city's first Asia connection.

So the 787 is in service already and will do its first NRT-BOS leg approx 22 April.

See a.net's trip report section for reports on the 787 filed by a.net members.

Here's a google search to find them: http://www.google.com/search?q=site%...ation-forums%2Ftrip_reports%2F+787



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User currently offlineredrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 81, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 45849 times:

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 79):
Should be JA805A for JAL

Small Mistake, you meant NH.  



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2897 posts, RR: 1
Reply 82, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 45683 times:

Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 81):

Small Mistake, you meant NH.  

Indeed! I'm not even going to invoke infallibility on that one. Hopefully this means more deliveries coming up soon.



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User currently offlineHmelawyer From United States of America, joined May 2011, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 45570 times:

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 79):
Looks like ZA181 did a flight test this past weekend.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20120407/1830Z/KMWH/KPAE

Should be JA805A for JAL

I believe that ZA 181 (L/N 38) will be JA827J for JAL. JA805A was already delivered to NH (L/N 31).

Looks like ZA 180 (L/N 37) has also had its first flight now.


User currently onlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 84, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 44640 times:

Three first flights so far this month...dare I say 787 is hitting a stride? The three that have flown are the three that NYC777 reported would be delivered this month.

ZA 180, L/N 37, JA826J for JL
ZA 181, L/N 38, JA827J for JL
ZA 105, L/N 42, JA808A for NH

Wonder if Boeing could squeeze in a fourth delivery for April...or at least a couple of first flights...


User currently offlinepetera380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 346 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 44556 times:
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Quoting United787 (Reply 84):
...dare I say 787 is hitting a stride?



No not yet, these have all had rework done etc. Not until the first few are delivered that require no rework will they be hitting their stride! At least in my opinion....


User currently offlinewarpspeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 580 posts, RR: 3
Reply 86, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 44532 times:

Quoting petera380 (Reply 85):
No not yet, these have all had rework done etc. Not until the first few are delivered that require no rework will they be hitting their stride! At least in my opinion....

Agreed. Completion of change incorporation and rework has shown to be highly unpredictable to suggest deliveries have hit a stride. But, at least April is shaping up to suggest a methodical cadence of things to come! Just a few more months until those frames roll off the FAL without concrete weights for engines.



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User currently onlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 87, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 44434 times:

Quoting petera380 (Reply 85):
No not yet, these have all had rework done etc. Not until the first few are delivered that require no rework will they be hitting their stride! At least in my opinion....
Quoting warpspeed (Reply 86):
Agreed. Completion of change incorporation and rework has shown to be highly unpredictable to suggest deliveries have hit a stride. But, at least April is shaping up to suggest a methodical cadence of things to come! Just a few more months until those frames roll off the FAL without concrete weights for engines.

I agree as well, I was referring to a stride purely for the rework. It seems like most of the unpredictability was in Jan-Feb timeframe because of the shimming issue. Also, the GE certification was happening at the same time which I would imagine would take resources away and also meant they could only deliver RR aircraft...


User currently offlinewarpspeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 580 posts, RR: 3
Reply 88, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 44317 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 87):
It seems like most of the unpredictability was in Jan-Feb timeframe because of the shimming issue. Also, the GE certification was happening at the same time which I would imagine would take resources away and also meant they could only deliver RR aircraft...

All good points. Admittedly, I'm a bit jaded given the history of the 787 program. Like you, I am growing more optimistic that we will see more consistency and a program that will start realizing its goals. To me, the main indicator of atonement to the aerospace production gods is Boeing getting those early builds flying and into customer hands.



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User currently offlineual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 44021 times:

Do we have any indication what line numbers will deliver after the 3 currently set for April?

I believe industry confidence in the program will return long before the early birds are finally delivered, especially as monthly rates rise consistently and at a rate approaching planned rates.

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User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 868 posts, RR: 9
Reply 90, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 44030 times:

Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 89):
Do we have any indication what line numbers will deliver after the 3 currently set for April?

LN 47 has been at the Everett Modification Center and is now in a paint hangar so it could be up soon. And maybe the two Air India airframes in San Antonio at the moment, depending on whether they can sort out their differences.

Other than that I'd keep an eye on which line numbers are going through the EMC. All Things 787 has a list of where each line number is, but since airplanes move around a fair bit some of the information becomes out of date not all that long after each update.


User currently offlinestarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 91, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 43188 times:

Given that the three for delivery this month have already flown, is there any indication when the deliveries happen?

Or are we going to be seeing more one on the 26th, and two on the 29th....



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User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1167 posts, RR: 10
Reply 92, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 42382 times:

A new deliver 787 to Ana will depart soon with Biofuel. This will be the first Dreamliner running on Biofuel.

Took the information from the @BoeingAirplanes twitter account

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User currently onlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 93, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 42309 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 92):
A new deliver 787 to Ana will depart soon with Biofuel. This will be the first Dreamliner running on Biofuel.

I don't have a twitter account, which aircraft is this? Has it been delivered already? Is this the delivery flight or just testing on an aircraft that will eventually be delivered to ANA?


User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 868 posts, RR: 9
Reply 94, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 42330 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 93):
which aircraft is this? Has it been delivered already?

This is LN 42 (ZA105). It was delivered in the last day or so.


User currently offlinewarpspeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 580 posts, RR: 3
Reply 95, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 42357 times:

Here's the pic. Can't make out the registration but going by the Production and Disposition chart on All Things 787 this is likely ZA105/LN42/JA808A/34490 as it is the only ANA bird with engines that has not been delivered. I assume the production chart is up to date.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/theboeingcompany/7085541947/

JAL should be next up for two deliveries this month.

I wonder if the Indian Government's approval of Air India's bailout will clear the way for delivery of its completed 787?



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 335 posts, RR: 14
Reply 96, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 42278 times:

Quoting warpspeed (Reply 95):
I wonder if the Indian Government's approval of Air India's bailout will clear the way for delivery of its completed 787?

  The over-riding reason for the bailout was to proceed with the procurement of the 787.



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User currently offlineual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 42232 times:

Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 94):
This is LN 42 (ZA105). It was delivered in the last day or so.

Delivery flight tonight filed:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ANA9397

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User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1869 posts, RR: 4
Reply 98, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 41690 times:

The first 787 for Lot Polish Airlines is on final assembly line position, indicating that we should see it in full LO livery within next few weeks.


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User currently onlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 99, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 41658 times:

Delivered to Date, 9 aircraft:

L/N 8 - JA801A - 9/25/2011 - NH (ANA)
L/N 24 - JA802A - 10/13/2011 - NH (ANA)
L/N 31 - JA805A - 12/30/2011 - NH (ANA)
L/N 41 - JA807A - 1/12/2012 - NH (ANA)
L/N 9 - JA804A - 1/13/2012 - NH (ANA)
L/N 23 - JA822J - 3/25/2012 - JL (JAL)
L/N 33 - JA825J - 3/25/2012 - JL (JAL)
L/N 40 - JA806A - 3/29/2012 - NH (ANA)
L/N 42 - JA808A - 4/14/2012 - NH (ANA)

Next up:

L/N 37 - JA826J - Date TBD - JL (JAL)
L/N 38 - JA827J - Date TBD - JL (JAL)


User currently onlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 100, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 41501 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 96):
The over-riding reason for the bailout was to proceed with the procurement of the 787.

With Air India having 9 already assembled (or being assembled) aircraft (of the total 49), I wonder how much Air India's problems are screwing up Boeing's production?

The only airline with more is ANA:

ANA - 14 (parts are arriving for a 15th)
Air India - 9
JAL - 5
United - 4
Qatar - 4
China Southern - 3
Ethiopian - 3
LAN - 2
Royal Air Maroc - 2
LOT - 1

[Edited 2012-04-17 11:28:13]

User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3306 posts, RR: 3
Reply 101, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 41504 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 100):
I wonder how much Air India's problems are screwing up Boeing's production?

Boeing manage to screw up their 787 production completely by themselves....


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7180 posts, RR: 17
Reply 102, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 41747 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 99):

L/N 8 - JA801A - 9/25/2011 - NH (ANA)
L/N 24 - JA802A - 10/13/2011 - NH (ANA)
L/N 31 - JA805A - 12/30/2011 - NH (ANA)
L/N 41 - JA807A - 1/12/2012 - NH (ANA)
L/N 9 - JA804A - 1/13/2012 - NH (ANA)
L/N 23 - JA822J - 3/25/2012 - JL (JAL)
L/N 33 - JA825J - 3/25/2012 - JL (JAL)
L/N 40 - JA806A - 3/29/2012 - NH (ANA)
L/N 42 - JA808A - 4/14/2012 - NH (ANA)

Next up:

L/N 37 - JA826J - Date TBD - JL (JAL)
L/N 38 - JA827J - Date TBD - JL (JAL)

I see that JA803A is not listed here: what happened to that sequence?



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User currently onlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 103, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 41748 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 102):
I see that JA803A is not listed here: what happened to that sequence?

The same question was asked in the previous thread, but not answered. I am guessing that with the rework required, the original aircraft that was designated 803 was temporarily passed over for rework and some other aircraft will carry that number...they have 14 others on the flightline...


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30539 posts, RR: 84
Reply 104, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 41555 times:
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Quoting United787 (Reply 100):
With Air India having 9 already assembled (or being assembled) aircraft (of the total 49), I wonder how much Air India's problems are screwing up Boeing's production?

Should be none at all. When Boeing has a a 787 ready for delivery to Air India, Air India is ready to take it.


User currently offlineual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days ago) and read 40895 times:

There were 2 Dreamlifter flights to Chubu today/yesterday to pick up parts. I don't believe we've ever had 2 flights in week, let alone the same 24 hour period. Does this signify a production increase above 3.5 per month?

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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7180 posts, RR: 17
Reply 106, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 40421 times:

Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 105):
There were 2 Dreamlifter flights to Chubu today/yesterday to pick up parts. I don't believe we've ever had 2 flights in week, let alone the same 24 hour period. Does this signify a production increase above 3.5 per month?

I have a feeling these will be with the expansion from the CHS factory.



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User currently offlineKochikaze From Palau, joined Apr 2012, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 39551 times:

JAL announces launch dates of another 787 service.

JL749/JL740 NRT - DEL from May 1 2012.
4 of the 5 weekly flights will be downsized from 777-200ER.

JL441/JL442 NRT - DME from May 7 2012.
3 weekly flights will be downsized from 777-200ER.

JL023/JL024 HND - PEK from May 7 2012.
1 daily flight will switch from 767-300ER.

http://www.jal.co.jp/en/787/rosen.html

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User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2686 posts, RR: 25
Reply 108, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 39474 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 99):
Delivered to Date, 9 aircraft:

L/N 8 - JA801A - 9/25/2011 - NH (ANA)
L/N 24 - JA802A - 10/13/2011 - NH (ANA)
L/N 31 - JA805A - 12/30/2011 - NH (ANA)
L/N 41 - JA807A - 1/12/2012 - NH (ANA)
L/N 9 - JA804A - 1/13/2012 - NH (ANA)
L/N 23 - JA822J - 3/25/2012 - JL (JAL)
L/N 33 - JA825J - 3/25/2012 - JL (JAL)
L/N 40 - JA806A - 3/29/2012 - NH (ANA)
L/N 42 - JA808A - 4/14/2012 - NH (ANA)

Next up:

L/N 37 - JA826J - Date TBD - JL (JAL)
L/N 38 - JA827J - Date TBD - JL (JAL)

Nice to see how the fleets are growing. Please keep us informed and thanks for all the updates.


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Reply 109, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 39064 times:
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Quoting United787 (Reply 99):
Next up:

L/N 37 - JA826J - Date TBD - JL (JAL)
L/N 38 - JA827J - Date TBD - JL (JAL)

Both planes completed their B1 flights earlier this month. If they have completed their C1 flights and JL is happy with what they see, both should be ready for delivery this week.   

AI's first two frames - VT-AND and VT-ANH - still look penciled in for a late May delivery.

[Edited 2012-04-23 07:16:10]

User currently offlinewarpspeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 580 posts, RR: 3
Reply 110, posted (2 years 3 months 20 hours ago) and read 38599 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 109):
AI's first two frames - VT-AND and VT-ANH - still look penciled in for a late May delivery.

Flightware shows that L/N 29/AT-AND took a short 1.5 hour hop around northwest Texas the other day. Maybe she'll be ready for a ferry flight to Everett soon and a C-1 flight not too long thereafter...

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE233



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7180 posts, RR: 17
Reply 111, posted (2 years 3 months 20 hours ago) and read 38578 times:

Quoting warpspeed (Reply 110):
Flightware shows that L/N 29/AT-AND took a short 1.5 hour hop around northwest Texas the other day. Maybe she'll be ready for a ferry flight to Everett soon and a C-1 flight not too long thereafter...

What was she doing down there in the first place?



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User currently offlineHmelawyer From United States of America, joined May 2011, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (2 years 3 months 20 hours ago) and read 38550 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 111):
What was she doing down there in the first place?

Down in San Antonio getting change incorporation completed. In addition to converting L/N 4-6 to customer airplanes some GE birds were assigned to San Antonio for change incorporation. L/N 23 that went to JAL also had its change incorporation completed in San Antonio.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7180 posts, RR: 17
Reply 113, posted (2 years 3 months 14 hours ago) and read 38090 times:

Quoting Hmelawyer (Reply 112):
change incorporation

I'm sorry, what's change incorporation?



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User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 868 posts, RR: 9
Reply 114, posted (2 years 3 months 14 hours ago) and read 38099 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 109):
If they have completed their C1 flights

Both have had customer flights.


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30539 posts, RR: 84
Reply 115, posted (2 years 3 months 13 hours ago) and read 38059 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 113):
I'm sorry, what's change incorporation?

Making all the changes to completed airframes to correct issues found on the test fleet during the certification process. These changes are necessary before the completed airframes can be delivered to customers.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7180 posts, RR: 17
Reply 116, posted (2 years 3 months 12 hours ago) and read 37916 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 115):
Making all the changes to completed airframes to correct issues found on the test fleet during the certification process. These changes are necessary before the completed airframes can be delivered to customers.

Gotcha, thanks. Do they only do this in Texas?



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30539 posts, RR: 84
Reply 117, posted (2 years 3 months 12 hours ago) and read 37893 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 116):
Do they only do this in Texas?

Most of it is being done in Everett.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3306 posts, RR: 3
Reply 118, posted (2 years 3 months 9 hours ago) and read 37762 times:

http://kpae.blogspot.com/2012/04/paine-field-april-23.html

Do anyone know which 787 that got its engines innstalled in the EMC here?


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Reply 119, posted (2 years 3 months 1 hour ago) and read 37443 times:
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Quoting Someone83 (Reply 118):
Do anyone know which 787 that got its engines innstalled in the EMC here?

Considering JL's livery is all-white, I'm guessing it is ZA178 / LN27 / 34834.

That being said, NH, UA and LA all have planes in the EMC, as well.


User currently offlineual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 37239 times:

My .02 is that it's Line #50 for UA as the one for JL, and they only have one in EMC if All Things 787 is correct, is behind it.

Additionally, ZA233/LN29/VT-AND for AI was scheduled back to KPAE today but the flight has been pulled from flightaware.

UAL747-600

[Edited 2012-04-24 09:34:07]

User currently offlineual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 121, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 37144 times:

Now the AI flight is back in Flightaware.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE233

How much work remains to be done once the plane leaves KSKF before it can be delivered?

UAL747-600

[Edited 2012-04-24 10:14:20]

User currently offlinegordomatic From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 122, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 36781 times:

Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 121):
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE233

I wonder what they were trying to verify during the 1st 2 1/2 hours of flight (doing laps).



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User currently offlinewarpspeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 580 posts, RR: 3
Reply 123, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 36605 times:

Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 121):
How much work remains to be done once the plane leaves KSKF before it can be delivered?

Interior finishings? Let's hope that the San Antonio work-site accomplished everything else. Talk has been that she'll deliver later in May.



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User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 868 posts, RR: 9
Reply 124, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 36379 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 119):
Considering JL's livery is all-white

All white is how the sections arrive at the assembly line, so it's not a giveaway. I believe you are correct about the LN though.

Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 120):
My .02 is that it's Line #50 for UA as the one for JL, and they only have one in EMC if All Things 787 is correct

Even though updated today, his information about which airframe is where is not up to date. LN 50 isn't at the EMC.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5731 posts, RR: 48
Reply 125, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 36375 times:

Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 121):
How much work remains to be done once the plane leaves KSKF before it can be delivered?

Mostly just installation of the interiors maybe touch up of the painting then on to Boeing and customer test flights.



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3306 posts, RR: 3
Reply 126, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 36036 times:

Are Boeing planning to send any more 787s to Texas, other than those allready there, or is there enough capacity at Everett to do the remaining modifications there?

User currently offlineual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 127, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 36036 times:

There's is a shot of ANA's LN7 with engines on which is below. Thank you Matt.

http://paineairport.com/kpae4910.htm

From this point with engines on, when should we expect delivery?

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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3383 posts, RR: 26
Reply 128, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 35696 times:
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Quoting Someone83 (Reply 126):
Are Boeing planning to send any more 787s to Texas


Well there is capacity there and now there are mechanics familiar with the plane.. so it's a solid "possibly"...


User currently onlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 129, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 35664 times:

I noticed on All Things 787 that the two JAL planes were officially delievered today.

Delivered to Date, 11 aircraft:

L/N 8 - JA801A - 9/25/2011 - NH (ANA)
L/N 24 - JA802A - 10/13/2011 - NH (ANA)
L/N 31 - JA805A - 12/30/2011 - NH (ANA)
L/N 41 - JA807A - 1/12/2012 - NH (ANA)
L/N 9 - JA804A - 1/13/2012 - NH (ANA)
L/N 23 - JA822J - 3/25/2012 - JL (JAL)
L/N 33 - JA825J - 3/25/2012 - JL (JAL)
L/N 40 - JA806A - 3/29/2012 - NH (ANA)
L/N 42 - JA808A - 4/14/2012 - NH (ANA)
L/N 37 - JA826J - 4/25/2012 - JL (JAL)
L/N 38 - JA827J - 4/25/2012 - JL (JAL)

Next Up:

L/N 47 - JA809A - TBD - NH (ANA)
L/N 35 - VT-ANH - TBD - AI (Air India)
L/N 29 - VT-AND - TBD - AI (Air India)


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4854 posts, RR: 5
Reply 130, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 35258 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 129):
Delivered to Date, 11 aircraft:

This shows progress on delivering the early builds is slow!


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6863 posts, RR: 63
Reply 131, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 35264 times:

Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 127):
There's is a shot of ANA's LN7 with engines on

Is this the missing JA803A?


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30539 posts, RR: 84
Reply 132, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 35170 times:
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Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 130):
This shows progress on delivering the early builds is slow!

Which is per expectations considering the amount of change incorporation necessary and the amount of preparation work necessary to do it (as in disassembling parts of the plane to get to the areas and then re-assembling them once the work is done).


Quoting PM (Reply 131):
Is this the missing JA803A?

LN7 has yet to be assigned a Japanese registry per All Things 787. It appears that JA803A has yet to be assigned to an airframe.


User currently offline757gb From Uruguay, joined Feb 2009, 676 posts, RR: 1
Reply 133, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 35137 times:

As per Flightglobal the 787 unit cost are expected to drop 50% in a few months. I'm not familiar with how this is calculated exactly but it seems an encouraging sign...

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...costs-to-drop-50-by-summer-371139/



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30539 posts, RR: 84
Reply 134, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 34999 times:
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Quoting 757gb (Reply 133):
As per Flightglobal the 787 unit cost are expected to drop 50% in a few months. I'm not familiar with how this is calculated exactly but it seems an encouraging sign...

I expect a significant part of the cost for earlier frames is labor hours related to change incorporation. Many of the changes required disassembly of parts of the plane, followed by re-assembly once the change is incorporated. There would also be inventory costs related to those frames sitting around for months to years.


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Reply 135, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 34952 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 134):

Makes a lot of sense. Thank you very much for the clarification.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12333 posts, RR: 25
Reply 136, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 34949 times:

Quoting 757gb (Reply 133):
As per Flightglobal the 787 unit cost are expected to drop 50% in a few months. I'm not familiar with how this is calculated exactly but it seems an encouraging sign...

It was interesting to read that Airplane 66 will be the first one to go "right to pre-flight", and that CHS's first airframe will roll out on April 27.



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User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4854 posts, RR: 5
Reply 137, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 34796 times:

Can someone summarise what the certification process will be for the 789 and what the expected elapsed time to achieve this

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8748 posts, RR: 5
Reply 138, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 34629 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 38):
Quoting gemuser (Reply 36):
Not to be overly picky but there is a thread about "LA's" first routes. "LN" in this thread refers to the "Line Number" allocated by Boeing to airframes.

Thanks again for the correction; I always get the codes messed up -_-

But yeah, What other routes do you see LA taking with the 787?

LAN expects to receive its first B-787-8 by late September or early October.

Here is LN16, LAN's second B-787-8 at KPAE:
http://paineairport.com/kpae4903.htm


User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 616 posts, RR: 0
Reply 139, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 34275 times:

Looks like JL recieved 2 787's today.    http://boeing-test-flights.blogspot.com/

User currently offlinewarpspeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 580 posts, RR: 3
Reply 140, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 33684 times:

A little nugget of info from http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...gy/2018085280_boeingscsetup28.html

"Willy Geary, who is in charge of the mid-fuselage assembly center, said his site was once "the number one problem on the program."

"We are no longer," he said. "It's all behind us."

He said the latest mid-fuselage section, for Dreamliner No. 67, will fly to Everett tonight with just five jobs incomplete, out of 4,000."
.......

The good news is that travel work is down significantly. The bad news is that there is still travel work.

Given that a frame in the mid 60's was to leave the FAL and head straight to the flightline without change incorp./rework, it would seem like a lot (if not all) of this travel work can be performed inline.

[Edited 2012-04-27 13:26:30]


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User currently offlinepygmalion From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 966 posts, RR: 38
Reply 141, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 33616 times:

Quoting warpspeed (Reply 140):
The good news is that travel work is down significantly. The bad news is that there is still travel work.

Its actually rare to ship a section on any airplane program perfectly clean, no open paper. 5 jobs is down in the noise level. One late part can hold up 5 jobs easily. An example... missing transducer for water tank showing up 3 days late. The job to install the transducer, the leak test job for the tank, the test job for the transducer and possibly a wire hook up job could all be open just due to that one missing part. its only a couple hours work...

Traveled work is only an issue if it affects the build down line. there is always room in a plan to do some. This is actually excellent news.


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Reply 142, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 33473 times:

Quoting warpspeed (Reply 140):
Given that a frame in the mid 60's was to leave the FAL and head straight to the flightline without change incorp./rework, it would seem like a lot (if not all) of this travel work can be performed inline.

So keeping my fingers crossed here, If 66 and above go directly to flight, then we should see a bump in the delivery numbers shortly as the "rework factory" continues to deliver 3 frames a month, while the "new build" factory delivers another two to three frames.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8748 posts, RR: 5
Reply 143, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 33394 times:

Quoting starrion (Reply 142):
If 66 and above go directly to flight, then we should see a bump in the delivery numbers shortly as the "rework factory" continues to deliver 3 frames a month, while the "new build" factory delivers another two to three frames.

IIRC, the "rework factory" will now deliver 3.5 B-787-8s per month. By year's end, Boeing will be able to deliver 5 B-787-8s per month. This explains why LAN now expects to receive ZA534 in August instead of September.


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Reply 144, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 33321 times:

Quoting warpspeed (Reply 140):
The bad news is that there is still travel work.

You don't want traveled work but reality is that you accept it because holding parts until everything is complete is even more expensive. In both time and money.


User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 868 posts, RR: 9
Reply 145, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 33202 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 143):
IIRC, the "rework factory" will now deliver 3.5 B-787-8s per month

It's the new-build factory running at 3.5/month. Lately it seems like some relatively high LNs have been in the Everett Modification Center - high 40s and low 50s - along with a few earlier frames like 7, 10, 12 and 27.

The 1st quarter earnings call didn't provide any update to delivery guidance. They're still forecasting delivery of a combined total of 70-85 airplanes between the 747-8 and 787, split roughly evenly between the two. If you assume that the uncertainty is based more on the 787 than the 747-8 then we could see up to 50 787s delivered this year.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8748 posts, RR: 5
Reply 146, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 33225 times:

Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 145):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 143):
IIRC, the "rework factory" will now deliver 3.5 B-787-8s per month

It's the new-build factory running at 3.5/month. Lately it seems like some relatively high LNs have been in the Everett Modification Center - high 40s and low 50s - along with a few earlier frames like 7, 10, 12 and 27.

Thanks for the clarification, LN 10 is LAN's first B-787-8. Yesterday during LAN's Shareholders' Meeting, LAN issued a press statement detailing the company's Boeing 787 fleet plan for 2012-2014. ZA534 should be delivered in August and ZA535 should be delivered in October. Three more B-787-8s will join the fleet during 2013 and seven B-787s will join the fleet during 2014.


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30539 posts, RR: 84
Reply 147, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 33106 times:
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Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 145):
Lately it seems like some relatively high LNs have been in the Everett Modification Center - high 40s and low 50s - along with a few earlier frames like 7, 10, 12 and 27.

Makes sense to focus resources on planes that need the least amount of re-work to get them to the customer and free up space for the earlier builds that will need significantly more time to refurbish.


User currently offlineual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 148, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 32002 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 146):
Thanks for the clarification, LN 10 is LAN's first B-787-8. Yesterday during LAN's Shareholders' Meeting, LAN issued a press statement detailing the company's Boeing 787 fleet plan for 2012-2014. ZA534 should be delivered in August and ZA535 should be delivered in October. Three more B-787-8s will join the fleet during 2013 and seven B-787s will join the fleet during 2014.

I wonder if LAN will receive later builds (LN 68 and 74) this year instead of the earlier builds you mentioned. Does anyone know how long it takes at the EMC to get an early build delivered?

UAL747-600


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Reply 149, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 31723 times:
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Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 148):
Does anyone know how long it takes at the EMC to get an early build delivered?

Depends on how much work needs to be done and how hard it is to do it.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7180 posts, RR: 17
Reply 150, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 31685 times:

This might have been covered, but which LNs are going to be shipped out of CHS in the coming months? I might make my way down there for some spotting.


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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4302 posts, RR: 36
Reply 151, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 30976 times:

Actually I was impressed that JAL got their first four 787s in the last 6 weeks and ANA now have 7 in total.
But things are a bit quiet again regarding new deliveries. There haven't been any first flights lately apart from the aircraft which are delivered since, only the 2 Air India's (LN 29 and 35) are flying for a while already. Any info which would or could be the next handful flying and/or delivered between now and the end of june?



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User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 868 posts, RR: 9
Reply 152, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 30805 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 151):
Any info which would or could be the next handful flying and/or delivered between now and the end of june?

LN 47 and LN 48 (both for ANA) have both been through the paint hangars recently so you'd think they would be candidates for delivery soon. There are several high LN airplanes at the EMC now which may not need as much rework, repair and change incorporation. And there's supposed to one from Qatar at Farnborough so you'd think that one would have to at least fly in June.

Also if LN 66 does go straight from the FAL to delivery prep it may squeak into June since it should roll out in late May or early June.


User currently offlineual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 153, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 30145 times:

Here's a shot from Matt Cawby's site of JA810A. Thank you Matt. Do we know what line number this aircraft is?

http://paineairport.com/kpae4980.htm

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Reply 154, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 30106 times:

JA810A is another 787 that has been rolled out and is at the Fuel Dock. By my estimation it old be any one of the following: LN7, LN12, LN48 (most likely), LN 51, or LN59. I'm trying to find out which one it is.

Also I just wrote an article on my blog describing how I think it is possible for Boeing to deliver 50 or more 787s this year.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5731 posts, RR: 48
Reply 155, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 29355 times:

It looks like LN47 will be having its first flight today according to Flightaware:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE506



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User currently offline757gb From Uruguay, joined Feb 2009, 676 posts, RR: 1
Reply 156, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 29331 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 146):
ZA534 should be delivered in August

Now THAT is going to be one beautiful 787... can't wait to see it.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8748 posts, RR: 5
Reply 157, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 29254 times:

Quoting 757gb (Reply 156):
Now THAT is going to be one beautiful 787... can't wait to see it.

I can't wait to see it painted in LAN's livery! I'm on the first revenue flight!  


User currently offlineual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 158, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 28703 times:

Line 47 for ANA is flying today. Why would Boeing give the aircraft a temp N registration number?

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User currently offlinepetera380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 346 posts, RR: 0
Reply 159, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 28593 times:
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Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 158):
Why would Boeing give the aircraft a temp N registration number?

Probably if the aircraft is involved in some sort of flight testing other then a normal B1 or C1 flight I would think.


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Reply 160, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 28414 times:

I am used to throwing OEW-116 tons around for 788, has this changed? What is the goal with LN90? Why don't they put the numbers up on the web? Maybe I am off by a few? As 110 was the original goal? With the MTOW increased the range of LN90 must be about 8000nm?

User currently onlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 580 posts, RR: 3
Reply 161, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 28306 times:

Quoting petera380 (Reply 159):
Probably if the aircraft is involved in some sort of flight testing other then a normal B1 or C1 flight I would think.

Further, in Matt Cawby's video of JA809A's taxi test yesterday you can see the word "experimental" over the 1st doorway. Assuming the decal had not been removed for today's flight, wouldn't that signify "flight testing" as well? Perhaps she had a recent equipment change that needed testing prior to conducting a straight up B1 flight.

At least we can chalk-up another 787 that has taken to the skies!

http://kpae.blogspot.com/

[Edited 2012-05-10 13:23:55]


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Reply 162, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 28256 times:

Quoting sweair (Reply 160):
I am used to throwing OEW-116 tons around for 788, has this changed? What is the goal with LN90? Why don't they put the numbers up on the web? Maybe I am off by a few? As 110 was the original goal? With the MTOW increased the range of LN90 must be about 8000nm?

A very good question ! PIANO X is using an OEW of 120.792t for a version they call (502) eis V11. I assume this refers to a EIS weight. I believe it was Aspire who stated that the 788 was ~8t overweight at EIS. Thus the planned EIS weight was about 112.5t. I add 4t to convert OEW to DOW based on the TK spread for the A332 at about the same passenger load. PIANO X gives a range of 7700nm at a DOW of 116.5t. and ~8300nm. at 112.5t OEW .
TK shows an OEW spread between their A332 and A330 of 2.377t for an additional length of 4.87m . What OEW spread is reasonable for the difference of 6.1m between the 788 and 789 and can the A332/A333 spread be used as a basis for an estimate.?


User currently offline757gb From Uruguay, joined Feb 2009, 676 posts, RR: 1
Reply 163, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 27949 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 157):
I'm on the first revenue flight!  

Lucky you!   



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Reply 164, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 27836 times:
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Quoting sweair (Reply 160):
I am used to throwing OEW-116 tons around for 788, has this changed?

That last published figure for OEW was 111.5t (December 2011). Speculation this is the OEW for LN90 and later.


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Reply 165, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 27805 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 164):
That last published figure for OEW was 111.5t (December 2011). Speculation this is the OEW for LN90 and later.

For which B reported late 2011 /early in 2012 that they were ahead of their self imposed schedule to achieve.


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Reply 166, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 27587 times:

Looks like JA809A came back from its first flight with the RAT deployed.

http://paineairport.com/kpae4986.htm



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Reply 167, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 27519 times:
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Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 166):
Looks like JA809A came back from its first flight with the RAT deployed.

I believe testing the RAT is part of all B1 test flights.


User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 168, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 27517 times:

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 166):
Looks like JA809A came back from its first flight with the RAT deployed.

That's supposed to happen. Every B1 comes back with the RAT out...just hang around Everett. If it comes back from a B1 without the RAT deployed that's bad because it means they didn't complete all the tests.

Tom.


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Reply 169, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 27392 times:
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Boeing is making good progress. Now to see them work up to 10 per month.   

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 162):
Thus the planned EIS weight was about 112.5t.
Quoting Stitch (Reply 164):
That last published figure for OEW was 111.5t (December 2011). Speculation this is the OEW for LN90 and later.

Wait, we would see LN90 at below EIS target weight?    Ok, that would have been the goal, but it is impressive to consider.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 165):
For which B reported late 2011 /early in 2012 that they were ahead of their self imposed schedule to achieve.

Good to be reminded of that. To think, Boeing has staffed up the 788 weight reduction/789 stretch, so this should allow further 788 weight reduction.    Partially due to the 789 needing common parts to loose weight for its range promises.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 162):
What OEW spread is reasonable for the difference of 6.1m between the 788 and 789 and can the A332/A333 spread be used as a basis for an estimate.?

The A332/A333 weight per meter might be the most appropriate 'guess.' For longer extensions should be heavier per meter, but the 789 is CFRP. Yea... just a SWAG. I'll ask around for a better guess. But as noted, weight reduction efforts will continue.

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Reply 170, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 27263 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 162):
What OEW spread is reasonable for the difference of 6.1m between the 788 and 789 and can the A332/A333 spread be used as a basis for an estimate.?

I don't think so, the diff between the 332 and 333 is for aircraft stressed to the same MTOW (the 332 238t and 333 235t). This is not the case for the 788 vs 789, you have a diff of 33t which is more then 10%! In such case use the OEW to MTOW ratio method instead, the 789 is bound to end up at about 0.50 +- 0.01, gives you 125-126t OEW.



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Reply 171, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 27204 times:

Quoting ferpe (Reply 170):
the 789 is bound to end up at about 0.50 +- 0.01, gives you 125-126t OEW

Quite steep from 112 t in the 788? Are they adding lead?  


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Reply 172, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 26974 times:
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[quote=sunrisevalley,reply=162]What OEW spread is reasonable for the difference of 6.1m between the 788 and 789[.../quote]

Airbus believes it's 8 tons for a "green" airframe with no customer interior.

The OEW spread between a 777-200 and 777-300 was 22t and for the 767-300ER and 767-400ER was 15t.

If Airbus' figures are correct, in a Boeing OEM interior, I would expect the 787-9 to have an OEW of around 125t, as ferpe suggests.


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Reply 173, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 26772 times:

A stretch is heavy for sure a lot more than I would think it was.

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Reply 174, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 26773 times:
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Quoting sweair (Reply 173):
A stretch is heavy for sure a lot more than I would think it was.

Stretches often have higher MTOWs and MZFWs, so there is some structural strengthening in addition to the stretch. Then there is the weight of the extra seats and other cabin fittings.

The difference in OEW between the A330-200 and A330-300 is only about 5 tons, but as ferpe noted, both airframes are designed around the same general weights (MTOW, MLW, MZFW) so that weight is pretty much just the fuselage plug and the cabin fittings.


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Reply 175, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 26735 times:

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 168):
That's supposed to happen.

Thanks Tom. Any idea why there is an "Experimental" decal and a temporary N designation on this frame?



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Reply 176, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 26696 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 174):
Stretches often have higher MTOWs and MZFWs, so there is some structural strengthening in addition to the stretch. Then there is the weight of the extra seats and other cabin fittings.

The TK A332 and A330 spread also has to allow for extra seats and fittings etc.

I went back to Widebodyphotog's early work and he used a OEW spread of 7.1t between the -8 and -9 . He had a DOW of 110.2t and 117.4t respectively. His MTOW on the -9 was 244.9t some 6t less than current. So ~125t DOW is probably close. His MZFW was some 5t less than current for the -9.


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Reply 177, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 26855 times:

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 175):
Thanks Tom. Any idea why there is an "Experimental" decal and a temporary N designation on this frame?

Most likely they're doing an add-on or ride-along test. The basic production airworthiness certificates only cover production test; if you're going to do anything else you need a special airworthiness certificate/experimental, which requires the Experimental placard and (as far as I know) an N-registration.

The FAA has something called First-Of-Model testing...every time you roll out a new configuration on an existing type they usually make you do a FOM test, which falls into the Experimental category because it requires stuff beyond the production test.

Tom.