SA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 2916 posts, RR: 20 Posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 55482 times:
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This is a continuation thread of part 2 which can be found here: 787 Production Thread Part 2 Please feel free to continue your discussion on this topic in this thread.
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Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26685 posts, RR: 83 Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 55493 times:
Did JL take delivery of both JA822J and JA825J or just one of them?
dynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 765 posts, RR: 8 Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 55153 times:
From Part 2:
Quoting sunrisevalley:
Do we know if weight reduced parts are being installed as they become available or are they being accumulated for the change to be made at a specific L/N.?
Unless there is a sufficiently strong business case, the changes are accumulated for blockpoints. The rationale for this is that it reduces the variation between airframes and allows for a more stable build process. The decision on what changes to include at each blockpoint are made a significant time in advance.
I know of one change we're making off blockpoint, but that's for a significant cost saving and has a very low impact to our build process and no impact at final assembly.
dynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 765 posts, RR: 8 Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 54757 times:
Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 5): Are the block points known beyond a few Boeing insider's?
It's not just a few insiders - it was communicated to our entire engineering organisation - but it seems to be kept internal. I've not seen Boeing publicly announce 787 blockpoints apart from the LN 7 and 20 blockpoints. In media and blogs I've seen LNs 7, 20, 34 and 90 identified correctly. I also saw 50 come up a lot which was close but not quite right.
The next obvious points are when they can roll in 787-9 changes. For common parts you'd probably see a blockpoint at the first -8 after the first -9 is assembled, and the first -8 after the -9 is certified.
sweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1550 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 54384 times:
What did get delivered yesterday? 2 JAL? Not 1 for ANA? It seems like they will repeat this in april, 2 JAL and 1 ANA.
LOT will be the first european airline to fly 787. All the lease company owned frames, when are they due? As many airlines will fly these frames. In a year or so we should see more of 787s flying in europe, SAS is asleep as always..
sunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 3948 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 51552 times:
Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 6): In media and blogs I've seen LNs 7, 20, 34 and 90 identified correctly. I also saw 50 come up a lot which was close but not quite right.
So it is likely that a block point is about to or has just passed. Would you expect that there was an OEW reduction at this point?
liftsifter From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 237 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 51033 times:
Royal Jordanian's first delivery has been pushed to early 2014, as opposed to mid 2013. Some rumors even point to first delivery in 2015.
Does anyone have any idea when the whole delivery schedule will become regulated? It felt like Boeing was doing so well since Paris and then delivered the first ANA and then forgot about the other 800+ orders they have on the books.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26685 posts, RR: 83 Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 50998 times:
Quoting liftsifter (Reply 10): Does anyone have any idea when the whole delivery schedule will become regulated?
Boeing will probably be delivering pre-LN30 planes through late 2013, as Boeing will probably only be able to average one of those a month and they have almost two dozen when you include LN4, LN5 and LN7.
LN30-LN45 will probably be the bulk of what is delivered in 2012 - JL's two birds are in this tranche as is the next one due for NH. AI's first bird will also be from this tranche.
LN46 and beyond will require little to no rework and therefore should be delivered soon after leaving the FAL, though they won't start delivering until the second half of the year.
redrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 217 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 50614 times:
JA825J took off earlier om delivery flight, JA822J should be the next one which takes off within an hour. Two more 787's delivered.
Congrats JAL!
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starrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1081 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 49229 times:
down to a couple days left for the ANA delivery.
It would be nice to see them keep to some sort of plan for a month.....
Dan23 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 90 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 48871 times:
I think BOE040 is ZA117/LN40/JA806A (with its new engines) which has flown a number of times previously as BOE117. That call sign was already being used today by a 77W so it possibly explains the change.
dynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 765 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 48851 times:
Quoting Spacepope (Reply 19): BOE040 is now up and testing. That's a new LN for me.
That's odd. Usually the flight number has been based on the effectivity. If that is LN 40, which makes sense since it's the next one due to be delivered, then it's ZA117 and would usually have the flight number BOE117. It looks like that flight number was used by a 777 flight back from PDX today.
LN 40 had already made several flights, but according to kpae.blogspot.com it had its engines changed a few days ago.
Quoting starrion (Reply 18):
down to a couple days left for the ANA delivery.
It would be nice to see them keep to some sort of plan for a month.....
Even their mature programs seem to have a flurry of deliveries in the last couple of days of the month, so it's not just the 787.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5147 posts, RR: 49 Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 47910 times:
Ok someone cancelled 24 787s this week according to Boeing. Who is it?
WarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 516 posts, RR: 3 Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 47819 times:
My money would be on a reduction by Qantas and/or China Eastern. Qantas seems to be in super reorganization mode lately and may have cancelled a sizable lot of 787s. China Eastern ordered 45 737s this week as well. Maybe they cancelled their 787s as part of a switch. British Airways has exactly 24 on order, but it doesn't seem like them to cancel. Air India said in the last few weeks they would take all of theirs, but maybe compensation talks broke down and they are taking only a few.
rotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 374 posts, RR: 0 Reply 25, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 48237 times:
Hey guys, this may shed light on the order depletion, but this happened back in the beginning of October. Here we are at the end of March and its now being reflected. Guess the reports happened faster than the actual cancellation
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5147 posts, RR: 49 Reply 26, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 48207 times:
Yeah Flightblogger is saying it's China Eastern. Swapping the 45 737s for the 24 787s.
Daysleeper From UK - England, joined Dec 2009, 800 posts, RR: 1 Reply 27, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 48838 times:
Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 12): Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 9):Would you expect that there was an OEW reduction at this point?
Sorry, I know the answer, but it's not in the public domain as far as I've seen.
I know it wasn’t intentional, but posts like that are really frustrating. It also makes me suspect that they are struggling to take the weight off, as a weight reduction would be good news so no reason to keep it quiet.
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 23): Ok someone cancelled 24 787s this week according to Boeing. Who is it?
Do you know how the order was broken up? As I posted in the 2012 order thread the China cancellation was 15 788’s and 9 789’s… So if the shoe fits…
redrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 217 posts, RR: 2 Reply 28, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 48736 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 23): Ok someone cancelled 24 787s this week according to Boeing. Who is it?
This was the China Eastern cancel last year, they exchanged for 737's. And they firmed the exchange. No new cancellations.
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kanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2464 posts, RR: 21 Reply 32, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 48299 times:
maybe, maybe 4qtr 12.. if the line is moving at rate by the 4 qtr, it should take about 2 weeks from receipt to roll out. Now if they hold it to the side for instrumentation it could take longer, however I suspect instrumentation will occur after assembly
redrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 217 posts, RR: 2 Reply 34, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 48026 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 33): I've seen pix of China Eastern 787s sitting on the hardstand at PAE.... Will those be delivered
Those are china southern's you're thinking of
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gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5217 posts, RR: 6 Reply 36, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 47758 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 20): There's a thread about LN's first routes; when is it supposed to be delivered?
Not to be overly picky but there is a thread about "LA's" first routes. "LN" in this thread refers to the "Line Number" allocated by Boeing to airframes.
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4946 posts, RR: 15 Reply 38, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 47680 times:
Quoting gemuser (Reply 36): Not to be overly picky but there is a thread about "LA's" first routes. "LN" in this thread refers to the "Line Number" allocated by Boeing to airframes.
Thanks again for the correction; I always get the codes messed up -_-
But yeah, What other routes do you see LA taking with the 787?
Indeed, and their second frame for international ops. ANA's FRA daily is now scheduled to begin April 9th. I do wonder when ANA plans on scheduling their birds for the delamination check?
Meanwhile, JA822J returned from a short loop out of Kansai and JA825J just departed Kansai as JAL4387.
tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 81 Reply 41, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 47515 times:
Quoting Daysleeper (Reply 27): I know it wasn’t intentional, but posts like that are really frustrating. It also makes me suspect that they are struggling to take the weight off
They're always struggling to take the weight off. If they weren't struggling it would be easy, and they'd have done it already.
dynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 765 posts, RR: 8 Reply 42, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 47485 times:
Quoting Daysleeper (Reply 27): I know it wasn't intentional, but posts like that are really frustrating. It also makes me suspect that they are struggling to take the weight off
There are plenty of good reasons for what's happening and when, but to give a decent explanation would require information which isn't public. There's a bunch of changes made at each blockpoint - some to reduce cost, reduce weight, fix problems, etc. If I didn't care about keeping my job then I could discuss this question at length and give you a breakdown, but I happen to like what I do.
Everyone is just getting on with their jobs, and there's no reason to give an update every step of the way.
Be frustrated if you want. I was answering in reply to sunrisevalley's questions and gave what information I could.
PITingres From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 954 posts, RR: 12 Reply 43, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 46838 times:
Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 42): There are plenty of good reasons for what's happening and when, but to give a decent explanation would require information which isn't public.
And I might add that in general, there's no active decision to not publicize the changes, it's just the default. I don't tell the world what I do every day either; 99% of the time it wouldn't matter, but nobody can be arsed to figure out which bit is the 1% that would matter. So the default is to say nothing unless explicitly permitted.
Daysleeper From UK - England, joined Dec 2009, 800 posts, RR: 1 Reply 44, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 46668 times:
Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 42): There are plenty of good reasons for what's happening and when, but to give a decent explanation would require information which isn't public. There's a bunch of changes made at each blockpoint - some to reduce cost, reduce weight, fix problems, etc. If I didn't care about keeping my job then I could discuss this question at length and give you a breakdown, but I happen to like what I do.
I understand why you aren’t able to post details and would never expect you too, I just didn’t see the point in posting “I know but I can’t tell you”
WarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 516 posts, RR: 3 Reply 45, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 46441 times:
Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 42): I was answering in reply to sunrisevalley's questions and gave what information I could.
Stepping back to better understand the context here, I'd rather have your insights (as long as you keep your job), than not have it at all. I'm surprised your able to share as much as you do.
Quoting Daysleeper (Reply 44): I just didn’t see the point in posting “I know but I can’t tell you”
Well, at least we are assured that someone at Boeing knows what's going on!
PlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 530 posts, RR: 1 Reply 47, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 46412 times:
Quoting Daysleeper (Reply 44): I understand why you aren’t able to post details and would never expect you too, I just didn’t see the point in posting “I know but I can’t tell you”
Just by some chance he may have responded that way to a false allegation or innuendo that he knows to be inaccurate rather than let it fester in public mind.
dynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 765 posts, RR: 8 Reply 48, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 46234 times:
Quoting Daysleeper (Reply 44): I just didn’t see the point in posting “I know but I can’t tell you”
I didn't mean to stir up controversy. Had it been a general question I would have written nothing. Since there had been a few questions and answers back and forth I just thought it would be more polite than ignoring the question entirely.
Daysleeper From UK - England, joined Dec 2009, 800 posts, RR: 1 Reply 49, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 45999 times:
Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 48): I didn't mean to stir up controversy. Had it been a general question I would have written nothing. Since there had been a few questions and answers back and forth I just thought it would be more polite than ignoring the question entirely.
I know, I really didn’t mean to make a big deal out of this either, I actually said in the initial post that I realised it wasn’t intentional. I just thought I’d let you know it’s easy to take such comments out of context.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5147 posts, RR: 49 Reply 50, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 45061 times:
ANA's 7th 787 made it's first flight today. This is ZA105 (L/N 42, JA808A). It is tentatively scheduled to be delivered around mid April (April 17th is my latest intel). So far on the 787 production line L/N 58 in position 4, L/N 59 in position 3, L/N 61 in position 2 and L/N 62 in position 1. L/N 60 is scheudle to be assembled in North Charleston.
starrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1081 posts, RR: 2 Reply 51, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 44961 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 50): ANA's 7th 787 made it's first flight today. This is ZA105 (L/N 42, JA808A). It is tentatively scheduled to be delivered around mid April (April 17th is my latest intel). So far on the 787 production line L/N 58 in position 4, L/N 59 in position 3, L/N 61 in position 2 and L/N 62 in position 1. L/N 60 is scheudle to be assembled in North Charleston.
That's some good news. So far most of the delivered frames have been out of the shop for a significant time. Will we start to see some of the new builds deliver straight to the customer before spending a couple of quarters parked on the lot?
dynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 765 posts, RR: 8 Reply 52, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 45084 times:
Quoting starrion (Reply 51): Will we start to see some of the new builds deliver straight to the customer before spending a couple of quarters parked on the lot?
We should be pretty close to when the airplanes will go straight through final assembly and into delivery preparation. That had been LN 63, then the last I remember seeing was that it was LN 66.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5147 posts, RR: 49 Reply 54, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 44865 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 53): When is this production plant scheduled to be open?
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5147 posts, RR: 49 Reply 55, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 44880 times:
Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 52): We should be pretty close to when the airplanes will go straight through final assembly and into delivery preparation. That had been LN 63, then the last I remember seeing was that it was LN 66.
Correct L/N 66 is the first one that will go direct to flight testing and pre-delivery.
redrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 217 posts, RR: 2 Reply 56, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 44548 times:
frigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1194 posts, RR: 1 Reply 57, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 44526 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 55): Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 52):We should be pretty close to when the airplanes will go straight through final assembly and into delivery preparation. That had been LN 63, then the last I remember seeing was that it was LN 66.
Correct L/N 66 is the first one that will go direct to flight testing and pre-delivery.
Then it's gonna be tight to get QR's first 787 ready for Farnborough. I thought that would be LN64,but I guess it will be one of the earlier builds now - hopefully these won't have that many jobs left to complete... QR will make a big fuss if it's not on time for Farnborough, a place where Boeing will want to make some good, positive publicity with the 787 at last.
MSN007 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 113 posts, RR: 0 Reply 58, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 43759 times:
Quoting dkny (Reply 31): When will ET receive their 787. They have it in their schedule to JNB and DXB starting june 15.
According to the CEO, ET will receive the first two 787s in July August time frame. No exact date and another set back from the anticipated June first delivery.
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4946 posts, RR: 15 Reply 59, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 43570 times:
Any updates on DL's delivery schedule? I know they're getting it in 8 years time frame, but doesn't anybody think that's a little far off? Do they need the 787 at all, in anybody's opinion? Do you think they'll just cancel the order?
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26685 posts, RR: 83 Reply 60, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 43568 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 59): Any updates on DL's delivery schedule?
I expect it probably has a year attached to it, but that could be it.
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 59): Do they need the 787 at all, in anybody's opinion?
They need to replace their 767-300ER and 767-400ER frames eventually and the 787-8 is probably better-positioned to do that than the A350-800.
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 59): Do you think they'll just cancel the order?
They might in the short term to secure more 777s, but I fully expect the 787 will fly in DL colors.
WarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 516 posts, RR: 3 Reply 61, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 43558 times:
Quoting frigatebird (Reply 57): Then it's gonna be tight to get QR's first 787 ready for Farnborough. I thought that would be LN64,but I guess it will be one of the earlier builds now - hopefully these won't have that many jobs left to complete.
Well, according to Allthings787 - QR has LN57 which appears fresh off the FAL. Presumably, it will have fewer mods needed than those before it. With that said, you are correct that Boeing would be wise to ensure its Farnborough appearance to avoid a giving U-Turn Al a reason to flip-out.
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4946 posts, RR: 15 Reply 62, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 43264 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 60): They need to replace their 767-300ER and 767-400ER frames eventually and the 787-8 is probably better-positioned to do that than the A350-800.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26685 posts, RR: 83 Reply 63, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 43055 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 62): When are the 767s due to be replaced?
Don't know. If they're undergoing cabin refurbishment, I'd say ~2020. Of not, then earlier. Anyway, this conversation isn't really relevant to the thread, so I'll leave it at that.
sweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1550 posts, RR: 0 Reply 64, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 42736 times:
They will have about 4 ready to deliver soon, 2 JAL, 1 ANA and 1 AI, but AI has still not solved its claim business with Boeing.
It will be exciting to see LN66 go straight from FAL to delivery, then at last the 787 project is on track, saving a lot of cost and time for rework too.
They would need to deliver about 4 each moth for the rest of the year to make projections.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26685 posts, RR: 83 Reply 65, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 42485 times:
Quoting sweair (Reply 64): They will have about 4 ready to deliver soon, 2 JAL, 1 ANA and 1 AI, but AI has still not solved its claim business with Boeing.
Reports say they have done so, even if both sides are giving different figures, so VT-ANH should be delivered next month.
WarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 516 posts, RR: 3 Reply 66, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 42353 times:
Any clue why this frame sits in San Antonio? In addition to some flight testing, it has flown to India and back in complete form, correct? Seems like it could have been delivered by now assuming the compensation agreement is final.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26685 posts, RR: 83 Reply 67, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 42323 times:
Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 66): Any clue why this frame sits in San Antonio?
Might be to remove the final vestiges of any testing equipment that was installed during her tenure as part of the GEnx certification program.
San Antonio was intended to be used to refurbish the test frames [ZA004, ZA005, and ZA006] and one of JL's airframes [ZA177] was there for some time undergoing change incorporation.
ER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2220 posts, RR: 8 Reply 68, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 42163 times:
Quoting sweair (Reply 64): It will be exciting to see LN66 go straight from FAL to delivery, then at last the 787 project is on track, saving a lot of cost and time for rework too.
They would need to deliver about 4 each moth for the rest of the year to make projections.
Will the birds rolling off the line in CHS be ready to deliver straight away or will they require mods as well? If they are complete as they roll out, making 4 per month between the two lines certainly seems achievable
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26685 posts, RR: 83 Reply 69, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 42096 times:
Quoting ER757 (Reply 68): Will the birds rolling off the line in CHS be ready to deliver straight away or will they require mods as well?
They will require mods, probably, but they may be able to be done on the FAL as opposed to after production.
WarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 516 posts, RR: 3 Reply 70, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 42111 times:
Quoting ER757 (Reply 68): Will the birds rolling off the line in CHS be ready to deliver straight away
I've wondered the same. I've read that the North Charleston birds have the benefit of receiving parts/sections delivered in complete form. This would minimize the post FAL modifications comprised of travel work (i.e. incomplete or erroneous jobs occurring up-stream in the supply line), but it may not cover the modification work related to change incorporation (the mod work driven by design changes stemming from the flight testing/certification program.) At the end of the day, maybe the N. Charleston line is able to do the mods during the production run so the bird comes out "clean."
bonusonus From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 398 posts, RR: 0 Reply 71, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 41881 times:
Quoting sweair (Reply 64): It will be exciting to see LN66 go straight from FAL to delivery, then at last the 787 project is on track, saving a lot of cost and time for rework too.
Does Boeing do interior fitting as part of FAL, or do they do it somewhere else, like Airbus does with the A380?
Anyone know, or care to speculate about the cycle times for interior fitting?
hiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2118 posts, RR: 4 Reply 72, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 41841 times:
Question regarding the UA787's due out this year.....there is a slightly wandering discussion at UA Long-Haul Changes (by CALMSP Apr 2 2012 in Civil Aviation) regarding UA's cutback on longhaul flying and reallocation of 767 and 757 flying. None of that seems to take in the 787...are the delivery dates firming up on those?
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5147 posts, RR: 49 Reply 74, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 41741 times:
Boeing says that the first 787 to be built in South Carolina will roll out on April 27th. Party in North Charleston!
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5147 posts, RR: 49 Reply 75, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 41805 times:
Just updated my 787 production spreadsheet on my blog. Customers for LN 71 to LN 75 now revealed.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5147 posts, RR: 49 Reply 76, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 41693 times:
I also have infomation on where LN 63-LN75 will be built.
kanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2464 posts, RR: 21 Reply 77, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 41803 times:
Quoting bonusonus (Reply 71): Does Boeing do interior fitting as part of FAL, or do they do it somewhere else, like Airbus does with the A380?
Anyone know, or care to speculate about the cycle times for interior fitting?
Boeing interiors are generally completed in the FAL.. usually in the last 3 positions in the traditional line.. the 787 having only 4 positions, I'd say it's in the last position.. Galleys and lavs are supposed to be installed at the subs..
Once lavs and galley's are in and tested, I've seen the interior from sidewall panels, carpet and seats go in in 3 shifts... and then I've seen them take a week
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4946 posts, RR: 15 Reply 78, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 40808 times:
Not to be a re-hasher or appear to be 100% out of the loop, but is JL immediately starting their 787 with the BOS flight, or are they using it on domestic flights first?
Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 10445 posts, RR: 20 Reply 80, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 40598 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 78): Not to be a re-hasher or appear to be 100% out of the loop, but is JL immediately starting their 787 with the BOS flight, or are they using it on domestic flights first?
Quote:
Following domestic proving flights to train operations, flight, cabin and maintenance personnel, the airline will begin the first North American 787 service on 22 April connecting Narita Airport with Boston's Logan International Airport, the US city's first Asia connection.
So the 787 is in service already and will do its first NRT-BOS leg approx 22 April.
See a.net's trip report section for reports on the 787 filed by a.net members.
redrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 217 posts, RR: 2 Reply 81, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 40540 times:
Hmelawyer From United States of America, joined May 2011, 48 posts, RR: 0 Reply 83, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 40260 times:
Quoting Spacepope (Reply 79): Looks like ZA181 did a flight test this past weekend.
United787 From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 2342 posts, RR: 1 Reply 84, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 39330 times:
Three first flights so far this month...dare I say 787 is hitting a stride? The three that have flown are the three that NYC777 reported would be delivered this month.
ZA 180, L/N 37, JA826J for JL
ZA 181, L/N 38, JA827J for JL
ZA 105, L/N 42, JA808A for NH
Wonder if Boeing could squeeze in a fourth delivery for April...or at least a couple of first flights...
petera380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 323 posts, RR: 0 Reply 85, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 39247 times:
Quoting United787 (Reply 84): ...dare I say 787 is hitting a stride?
No not yet, these have all had rework done etc. Not until the first few are delivered that require no rework will they be hitting their stride! At least in my opinion....
warpspeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 516 posts, RR: 3 Reply 86, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 39223 times:
Quoting petera380 (Reply 85): No not yet, these have all had rework done etc. Not until the first few are delivered that require no rework will they be hitting their stride! At least in my opinion....
Agreed. Completion of change incorporation and rework has shown to be highly unpredictable to suggest deliveries have hit a stride. But, at least April is shaping up to suggest a methodical cadence of things to come! Just a few more months until those frames roll off the FAL without concrete weights for engines.
United787 From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 2342 posts, RR: 1 Reply 87, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 39125 times:
Quoting petera380 (Reply 85): No not yet, these have all had rework done etc. Not until the first few are delivered that require no rework will they be hitting their stride! At least in my opinion....
Quoting warpspeed (Reply 86): Agreed. Completion of change incorporation and rework has shown to be highly unpredictable to suggest deliveries have hit a stride. But, at least April is shaping up to suggest a methodical cadence of things to come! Just a few more months until those frames roll off the FAL without concrete weights for engines.
I agree as well, I was referring to a stride purely for the rework. It seems like most of the unpredictability was in Jan-Feb timeframe because of the shimming issue. Also, the GE certification was happening at the same time which I would imagine would take resources away and also meant they could only deliver RR aircraft...
warpspeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 516 posts, RR: 3 Reply 88, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 39008 times:
Quoting United787 (Reply 87): It seems like most of the unpredictability was in Jan-Feb timeframe because of the shimming issue. Also, the GE certification was happening at the same time which I would imagine would take resources away and also meant they could only deliver RR aircraft...
All good points. Admittedly, I'm a bit jaded given the history of the 787 program. Like you, I am growing more optimistic that we will see more consistency and a program that will start realizing its goals. To me, the main indicator of atonement to the aerospace production gods is Boeing getting those early builds flying and into customer hands.
ual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 538 posts, RR: 0 Reply 89, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 38712 times:
Do we have any indication what line numbers will deliver after the 3 currently set for April?
I believe industry confidence in the program will return long before the early birds are finally delivered, especially as monthly rates rise consistently and at a rate approaching planned rates.
dynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 765 posts, RR: 8 Reply 90, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 38721 times:
Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 89): Do we have any indication what line numbers will deliver after the 3 currently set for April?
LN 47 has been at the Everett Modification Center and is now in a paint hangar so it could be up soon. And maybe the two Air India airframes in San Antonio at the moment, depending on whether they can sort out their differences.
Other than that I'd keep an eye on which line numbers are going through the EMC. All Things 787 has a list of where each line number is, but since airplanes move around a fair bit some of the information becomes out of date not all that long after each update.
United787 From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 2342 posts, RR: 1 Reply 93, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 37000 times:
Quoting juanchito (Reply 92): A new deliver 787 to Ana will depart soon with Biofuel. This will be the first Dreamliner running on Biofuel.
I don't have a twitter account, which aircraft is this? Has it been delivered already? Is this the delivery flight or just testing on an aircraft that will eventually be delivered to ANA?
warpspeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 516 posts, RR: 3 Reply 95, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 37047 times:
Here's the pic. Can't make out the registration but going by the Production and Disposition chart on All Things 787 this is likely ZA105/LN42/JA808A/34490 as it is the only ANA bird with engines that has not been delivered. I assume the production chart is up to date.
BLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 194 posts, RR: 14 Reply 96, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 36968 times:
Quoting warpspeed (Reply 95): I wonder if the Indian Government's approval of Air India's bailout will clear the way for delivery of its completed 787?
The over-riding reason for the bailout was to proceed with the procurement of the 787.
ual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 538 posts, RR: 0 Reply 97, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 36923 times:
Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 94): This is LN 42 (ZA105). It was delivered in the last day or so.
United787 From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 2342 posts, RR: 1 Reply 99, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 36349 times:
United787 From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 2342 posts, RR: 1 Reply 100, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 36190 times:
Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 96): The over-riding reason for the bailout was to proceed with the procurement of the 787.
With Air India having 9 already assembled (or being assembled) aircraft (of the total 49), I wonder how much Air India's problems are screwing up Boeing's production?
The only airline with more is ANA:
ANA - 14 (parts are arriving for a 15th)
Air India - 9
JAL - 5
United - 4
Qatar - 4
China Southern - 3
Ethiopian - 3
LAN - 2
Royal Air Maroc - 2
LOT - 1
United787 From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 2342 posts, RR: 1 Reply 103, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 36440 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 102): I see that JA803A is not listed here: what happened to that sequence?
The same question was asked in the previous thread, but not answered. I am guessing that with the rework required, the original aircraft that was designated 803 was temporarily passed over for rework and some other aircraft will carry that number...they have 14 others on the flightline...
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26685 posts, RR: 83 Reply 104, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 36247 times:
Quoting United787 (Reply 100): With Air India having 9 already assembled (or being assembled) aircraft (of the total 49), I wonder how much Air India's problems are screwing up Boeing's production?
Should be none at all. When Boeing has a a 787 ready for delivery to Air India, Air India is ready to take it.
ual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 538 posts, RR: 0 Reply 105, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 35585 times:
There were 2 Dreamlifter flights to Chubu today/yesterday to pick up parts. I don't believe we've ever had 2 flights in week, let alone the same 24 hour period. Does this signify a production increase above 3.5 per month?
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4946 posts, RR: 15 Reply 106, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 35113 times:
Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 105): There were 2 Dreamlifter flights to Chubu today/yesterday to pick up parts. I don't believe we've ever had 2 flights in week, let alone the same 24 hour period. Does this signify a production increase above 3.5 per month?
I have a feeling these will be with the expansion from the CHS factory.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26685 posts, RR: 83 Reply 109, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 33756 times:
L/N 37 - JA826J - Date TBD - JL (JAL)
L/N 38 - JA827J - Date TBD - JL (JAL)
Both planes completed their B1 flights earlier this month. If they have completed their C1 flights and JL is happy with what they see, both should be ready for delivery this week.
AI's first two frames - VT-AND and VT-ANH - still look penciled in for a late May delivery.
warpspeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 516 posts, RR: 3 Reply 110, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 33289 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 109): AI's first two frames - VT-AND and VT-ANH - still look penciled in for a late May delivery.
Flightware shows that L/N 29/AT-AND took a short 1.5 hour hop around northwest Texas the other day. Maybe she'll be ready for a ferry flight to Everett soon and a C-1 flight not too long thereafter...
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4946 posts, RR: 15 Reply 111, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 33269 times:
Quoting warpspeed (Reply 110): Flightware shows that L/N 29/AT-AND took a short 1.5 hour hop around northwest Texas the other day. Maybe she'll be ready for a ferry flight to Everett soon and a C-1 flight not too long thereafter...
Hmelawyer From United States of America, joined May 2011, 48 posts, RR: 0 Reply 112, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 33241 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 111): What was she doing down there in the first place?
Down in San Antonio getting change incorporation completed. In addition to converting L/N 4-6 to customer airplanes some GE birds were assigned to San Antonio for change incorporation. L/N 23 that went to JAL also had its change incorporation completed in San Antonio.
Making all the changes to completed airframes to correct issues found on the test fleet during the certification process. These changes are necessary before the completed airframes can be delivered to customers.
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4946 posts, RR: 15 Reply 116, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 32607 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 115): Making all the changes to completed airframes to correct issues found on the test fleet during the certification process. These changes are necessary before the completed airframes can be delivered to customers.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26685 posts, RR: 83 Reply 117, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 32584 times:
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26685 posts, RR: 83 Reply 119, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 32133 times:
Quoting Someone83 (Reply 118): Do anyone know which 787 that got its engines innstalled in the EMC here?
Considering JL's livery is all-white, I'm guessing it is ZA178 / LN27 / 34834.
That being said, NH, UA and LA all have planes in the EMC, as well.
ual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 538 posts, RR: 0 Reply 120, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 31930 times:
My .02 is that it's Line #50 for UA as the one for JL, and they only have one in EMC if All Things 787 is correct, is behind it.
Additionally, ZA233/LN29/VT-AND for AI was scheduled back to KPAE today but the flight has been pulled from flightaware.
ual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 538 posts, RR: 0 Reply 121, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 31835 times:
Someone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 2778 posts, RR: 1 Reply 126, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 30728 times:
Are Boeing planning to send any more 787s to Texas, other than those allready there, or is there enough capacity at Everett to do the remaining modifications there?
ual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 538 posts, RR: 0 Reply 127, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 30728 times:
There's is a shot of ANA's LN7 with engines on which is below. Thank you Matt.
United787 From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 2342 posts, RR: 1 Reply 129, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 30357 times:
I noticed on All Things 787 that the two JAL planes were officially delievered today.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26685 posts, RR: 83 Reply 132, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 29863 times:
Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 130): This shows progress on delivering the early builds is slow!
Which is per expectations considering the amount of change incorporation necessary and the amount of preparation work necessary to do it (as in disassembling parts of the plane to get to the areas and then re-assembling them once the work is done).
Quoting PM (Reply 131): Is this the missing JA803A?
LN7 has yet to be assigned a Japanese registry per All Things 787. It appears that JA803A has yet to be assigned to an airframe.
757gb From Uruguay, joined Feb 2009, 645 posts, RR: 2 Reply 133, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 29830 times:
As per Flightglobal the 787 unit cost are expected to drop 50% in a few months. I'm not familiar with how this is calculated exactly but it seems an encouraging sign...
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26685 posts, RR: 83 Reply 134, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 29691 times:
Quoting 757gb (Reply 133): As per Flightglobal the 787 unit cost are expected to drop 50% in a few months. I'm not familiar with how this is calculated exactly but it seems an encouraging sign...
I expect a significant part of the cost for earlier frames is labor hours related to change incorporation. Many of the changes required disassembly of parts of the plane, followed by re-assembly once the change is incorporated. There would also be inventory costs related to those frames sitting around for months to years.
Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 10445 posts, RR: 20 Reply 136, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 29642 times:
Quoting 757gb (Reply 133): As per Flightglobal the 787 unit cost are expected to drop 50% in a few months. I'm not familiar with how this is calculated exactly but it seems an encouraging sign...
It was interesting to read that Airplane 66 will be the first one to go "right to pre-flight", and that CHS's first airframe will roll out on April 27.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8263 posts, RR: 5 Reply 138, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 29316 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 38): Quoting gemuser (Reply 36):
Not to be overly picky but there is a thread about "LA's" first routes. "LN" in this thread refers to the "Line Number" allocated by Boeing to airframes.
Thanks again for the correction; I always get the codes messed up -_-
But yeah, What other routes do you see LA taking with the 787?
LAN expects to receive its first B-787-8 by late September or early October.
rotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 374 posts, RR: 0 Reply 139, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 28965 times:
"Willy Geary, who is in charge of the mid-fuselage assembly center, said his site was once "the number one problem on the program."
"We are no longer," he said. "It's all behind us."
He said the latest mid-fuselage section, for Dreamliner No. 67, will fly to Everett tonight with just five jobs incomplete, out of 4,000."
.......
The good news is that travel work is down significantly. The bad news is that there is still travel work.
Given that a frame in the mid 60's was to leave the FAL and head straight to the flightline without change incorp./rework, it would seem like a lot (if not all) of this travel work can be performed inline.
pygmalion From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 931 posts, RR: 38 Reply 141, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 28309 times:
Quoting warpspeed (Reply 140): The good news is that travel work is down significantly. The bad news is that there is still travel work.
Its actually rare to ship a section on any airplane program perfectly clean, no open paper. 5 jobs is down in the noise level. One late part can hold up 5 jobs easily. An example... missing transducer for water tank showing up 3 days late. The job to install the transducer, the leak test job for the tank, the test job for the transducer and possibly a wire hook up job could all be open just due to that one missing part. its only a couple hours work...
Traveled work is only an issue if it affects the build down line. there is always room in a plan to do some. This is actually excellent news.
starrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1081 posts, RR: 2 Reply 142, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 28166 times:
Quoting warpspeed (Reply 140): Given that a frame in the mid 60's was to leave the FAL and head straight to the flightline without change incorp./rework, it would seem like a lot (if not all) of this travel work can be performed inline.
So keeping my fingers crossed here, If 66 and above go directly to flight, then we should see a bump in the delivery numbers shortly as the "rework factory" continues to deliver 3 frames a month, while the "new build" factory delivers another two to three frames.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8263 posts, RR: 5 Reply 143, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 28086 times:
Quoting starrion (Reply 142): If 66 and above go directly to flight, then we should see a bump in the delivery numbers shortly as the "rework factory" continues to deliver 3 frames a month, while the "new build" factory delivers another two to three frames.
IIRC, the "rework factory" will now deliver 3.5 B-787-8s per month. By year's end, Boeing will be able to deliver 5 B-787-8s per month. This explains why LAN now expects to receive ZA534 in August instead of September.
cmf From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 2476 posts, RR: 35 Reply 144, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 28014 times:
Quoting warpspeed (Reply 140): The bad news is that there is still travel work.
You don't want traveled work but reality is that you accept it because holding parts until everything is complete is even more expensive. In both time and money.
Don’t repeat earlier generations mistakes. Learn history for a better future.
dynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 765 posts, RR: 8 Reply 145, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 27895 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 143): IIRC, the "rework factory" will now deliver 3.5 B-787-8s per month
It's the new-build factory running at 3.5/month. Lately it seems like some relatively high LNs have been in the Everett Modification Center - high 40s and low 50s - along with a few earlier frames like 7, 10, 12 and 27.
The 1st quarter earnings call didn't provide any update to delivery guidance. They're still forecasting delivery of a combined total of 70-85 airplanes between the 747-8 and 787, split roughly evenly between the two. If you assume that the uncertainty is based more on the 787 than the 747-8 then we could see up to 50 787s delivered this year.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8263 posts, RR: 5 Reply 146, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 27911 times:
Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 145):
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 143):
IIRC, the "rework factory" will now deliver 3.5 B-787-8s per month
It's the new-build factory running at 3.5/month. Lately it seems like some relatively high LNs have been in the Everett Modification Center - high 40s and low 50s - along with a few earlier frames like 7, 10, 12 and 27.
Thanks for the clarification, LN 10 is LAN's first B-787-8. Yesterday during LAN's Shareholders' Meeting, LAN issued a press statement detailing the company's Boeing 787 fleet plan for 2012-2014. ZA534 should be delivered in August and ZA535 should be delivered in October. Three more B-787-8s will join the fleet during 2013 and seven B-787s will join the fleet during 2014.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26685 posts, RR: 83 Reply 147, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 27795 times:
Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 145): Lately it seems like some relatively high LNs have been in the Everett Modification Center - high 40s and low 50s - along with a few earlier frames like 7, 10, 12 and 27.
Makes sense to focus resources on planes that need the least amount of re-work to get them to the customer and free up space for the earlier builds that will need significantly more time to refurbish.
ual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 538 posts, RR: 0 Reply 148, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 26691 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 146): Thanks for the clarification, LN 10 is LAN's first B-787-8. Yesterday during LAN's Shareholders' Meeting, LAN issued a press statement detailing the company's Boeing 787 fleet plan for 2012-2014. ZA534 should be delivered in August and ZA535 should be delivered in October. Three more B-787-8s will join the fleet during 2013 and seven B-787s will join the fleet during 2014.
I wonder if LAN will receive later builds (LN 68 and 74) this year instead of the earlier builds you mentioned. Does anyone know how long it takes at the EMC to get an early build delivered?
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26685 posts, RR: 83 Reply 149, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 26413 times:
Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 148): Does anyone know how long it takes at the EMC to get an early build delivered?
Depends on how much work needs to be done and how hard it is to do it.
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4117 posts, RR: 37 Reply 151, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 25666 times:
Actually I was impressed that JAL got their first four 787s in the last 6 weeks and ANA now have 7 in total.
But things are a bit quiet again regarding new deliveries. There haven't been any first flights lately apart from the aircraft which are delivered since, only the 2 Air India's (LN 29 and 35) are flying for a while already. Any info which would or could be the next handful flying and/or delivered between now and the end of june?
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
dynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 765 posts, RR: 8 Reply 152, posted (1 year 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 25492 times:
Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 151): Any info which would or could be the next handful flying and/or delivered between now and the end of june?
LN 47 and LN 48 (both for ANA) have both been through the paint hangars recently so you'd think they would be candidates for delivery soon. There are several high LN airplanes at the EMC now which may not need as much rework, repair and change incorporation. And there's supposed to one from Qatar at Farnborough so you'd think that one would have to at least fly in June.
Also if LN 66 does go straight from the FAL to delivery prep it may squeak into June since it should roll out in late May or early June.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5147 posts, RR: 49 Reply 154, posted (1 year 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 24792 times:
JA810A is another 787 that has been rolled out and is at the Fuel Dock. By my estimation it old be any one of the following: LN7, LN12, LN48 (most likely), LN 51, or LN59. I'm trying to find out which one it is.
Also I just wrote an article on my blog describing how I think it is possible for Boeing to deliver 50 or more 787s this year.
ual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 538 posts, RR: 0 Reply 158, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 23390 times:
Line 47 for ANA is flying today. Why would Boeing give the aircraft a temp N registration number?
sweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1550 posts, RR: 0 Reply 160, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 23100 times:
I am used to throwing OEW-116 tons around for 788, has this changed? What is the goal with LN90? Why don't they put the numbers up on the web? Maybe I am off by a few? As 110 was the original goal? With the MTOW increased the range of LN90 must be about 8000nm?
WarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 516 posts, RR: 3 Reply 161, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 22993 times:
Quoting petera380 (Reply 159): Probably if the aircraft is involved in some sort of flight testing other then a normal B1 or C1 flight I would think.
Further, in Matt Cawby's video of JA809A's taxi test yesterday you can see the word "experimental" over the 1st doorway. Assuming the decal had not been removed for today's flight, wouldn't that signify "flight testing" as well? Perhaps she had a recent equipment change that needed testing prior to conducting a straight up B1 flight.
At least we can chalk-up another 787 that has taken to the skies!
sunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 3948 posts, RR: 4 Reply 162, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 22942 times:
Quoting sweair (Reply 160): I am used to throwing OEW-116 tons around for 788, has this changed? What is the goal with LN90? Why don't they put the numbers up on the web? Maybe I am off by a few? As 110 was the original goal? With the MTOW increased the range of LN90 must be about 8000nm?
A very good question ! PIANO X is using an OEW of 120.792t for a version they call (502) eis V11. I assume this refers to a EIS weight. I believe it was Aspire who stated that the 788 was ~8t overweight at EIS. Thus the planned EIS weight was about 112.5t. I add 4t to convert OEW to DOW based on the TK spread for the A332 at about the same passenger load. PIANO X gives a range of 7700nm at a DOW of 116.5t. and ~8300nm. at 112.5t OEW .
TK shows an OEW spread between their A332 and A330 of 2.377t for an additional length of 4.87m . What OEW spread is reasonable for the difference of 6.1m between the 788 and 789 and can the A332/A333 spread be used as a basis for an estimate.?
tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 81 Reply 168, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 22206 times:
Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 166): Looks like JA809A came back from its first flight with the RAT deployed.
That's supposed to happen. Every B1 comes back with the RAT out...just hang around Everett. If it comes back from a B1 without the RAT deployed that's bad because it means they didn't complete all the tests.
lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10650 posts, RR: 100 Reply 169, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 22081 times:
Boeing is making good progress. Now to see them work up to 10 per month.
Quoting Stitch (Reply 164): That last published figure for OEW was 111.5t (December 2011). Speculation this is the OEW for LN90 and later.
Wait, we would see LN90 at below EIS target weight? Ok, that would have been the goal, but it is impressive to consider.
Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 165): For which B reported late 2011 /early in 2012 that they were ahead of their self imposed schedule to achieve.
Good to be reminded of that. To think, Boeing has staffed up the 788 weight reduction/789 stretch, so this should allow further 788 weight reduction. Partially due to the 789 needing common parts to loose weight for its range promises.
Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 162): What OEW spread is reasonable for the difference of 6.1m between the 788 and 789 and can the A332/A333 spread be used as a basis for an estimate.?
The A332/A333 weight per meter might be the most appropriate 'guess.' For longer extensions should be heavier per meter, but the 789 is CFRP. Yea... just a SWAG. I'll ask around for a better guess. But as noted, weight reduction efforts will continue.
ferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 1771 posts, RR: 56 Reply 170, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 21951 times:
Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 162): What OEW spread is reasonable for the difference of 6.1m between the 788 and 789 and can the A332/A333 spread be used as a basis for an estimate.?
I don't think so, the diff between the 332 and 333 is for aircraft stressed to the same MTOW (the 332 238t and 333 235t). This is not the case for the 788 vs 789, you have a diff of 33t which is more then 10%! In such case use the OEW to MTOW ratio method instead, the 789 is bound to end up at about 0.50 +- 0.01, gives you 125-126t OEW.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26685 posts, RR: 83 Reply 174, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 21460 times:
Quoting sweair (Reply 173): A stretch is heavy for sure a lot more than I would think it was.
Stretches often have higher MTOWs and MZFWs, so there is some structural strengthening in addition to the stretch. Then there is the weight of the extra seats and other cabin fittings.
The difference in OEW between the A330-200 and A330-300 is only about 5 tons, but as ferpe noted, both airframes are designed around the same general weights (MTOW, MLW, MZFW) so that weight is pretty much just the fuselage plug and the cabin fittings.
sunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 3948 posts, RR: 4 Reply 176, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 21381 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 174): Stretches often have higher MTOWs and MZFWs, so there is some structural strengthening in addition to the stretch. Then there is the weight of the extra seats and other cabin fittings.
The TK A332 and A330 spread also has to allow for extra seats and fittings etc.
I went back to Widebodyphotog's early work and he used a OEW spread of 7.1t between the -8 and -9 . He had a DOW of 110.2t and 117.4t respectively. His MTOW on the -9 was 244.9t some 6t less than current. So ~125t DOW is probably close. His MZFW was some 5t less than current for the -9.
tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 81 Reply 177, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 21542 times:
Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 175): Thanks Tom. Any idea why there is an "Experimental" decal and a temporary N designation on this frame?
Most likely they're doing an add-on or ride-along test. The basic production airworthiness certificates only cover production test; if you're going to do anything else you need a special airworthiness certificate/experimental, which requires the Experimental placard and (as far as I know) an N-registration.
The FAA has something called First-Of-Model testing...every time you roll out a new configuration on an existing type they usually make you do a FOM test, which falls into the Experimental category because it requires stuff beyond the production test.
sweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1550 posts, RR: 0 Reply 178, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 21077 times:
On wiki it says OEW 115t for the 789, must be far off, like 10t.. IF LN90+ is 111.5t the stretch would be like 13.5t.. Either the 788 LN90+ airframes will be very good or the 789 must have grown its MTOW a bit? What would the currently off FAL weigh? 114t-113t?
dynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 765 posts, RR: 8 Reply 180, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 20896 times:
Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 179): It was expected that a block point would be reached somewhere in the mid LN60's
No blockpoints in the mid 60s, but LN66 is meant to be the first airplane to go straight from final assembly to delivery preparation. This appears to still be on track.
kanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2464 posts, RR: 21 Reply 182, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 20709 times:
Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 181): Is it expected that there will be one between now and LN90?
Boeing is probably at a point where major block-points have given way to small incremental changes incorporated t what ever point the customer, vendor, and production line can do them without impact. They will try to keep customer's sequential a/p the same if the change is not interchangeable. So the concept of block points really is "we will finish incorporation of the changes that bring about a milestone at this unit" as opposed to holding a bunch for a single incorportation point.
sweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1550 posts, RR: 0 Reply 183, posted (1 year 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 20209 times:
Will the range numbers change in the future or is the current info taking the LN90 class weights into account? ANA and JAL both fly with below 200 seats on long haul, was this the plan from start?
ferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 1771 posts, RR: 56 Reply 184, posted (1 year 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19583 times:
Quoting sweair (Reply 183): Will the range numbers change in the future or is the current info taking the LN90 class weights into account? ANA and JAL both fly with below 200 seats on long haul, was this the plan from start?
The Boeing website gives a range of seatings and max range values, the two end points are 210 Pax and 8200nm and 250 Pax and 7650nm. The differ in OEW between these should be about 2.5t (about 63kg furnishings per seat seems to be the OEM standard for brochure planes). Thus you have an OEW that per necessity changes 2.5t.
The 111.5t value could fit with ultimate (LN90 and beyond) 210 Pax frames, the 250 Pax would then land at 114t. The ACAP where the 111.5t was quoted did only say "weight for a representative configuration" for the 111.5t quote, it did not state the seat config. Further it was full of other faults in the weight table, if you counted from top you landed at an OEW of 118t, if you counted from bottom you landed on a MZFW which was 6.5t lower then the one given by Boeing, if you counted the fact that the RR engine was 90kg lighter (MSP 90kg higher) nothing else fitted and so on. I have never seen a so confused weight table in an ACAP and sure enough it was pulled after a while.
Lets wait and see what the final ACAP says, until then use 50% of MTOW as a good interim value for frames which are close to the most longlived single seat config that Boeing was stating, 242 seat configs, they should be about 114t OEW.
sweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1550 posts, RR: 0 Reply 185, posted (1 year 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 19536 times:
Quoting ferpe (Reply 184): Lets wait and see what the final ACAP says, until then use 50% of MTOW as a good interim value for frames which are close to the most longlived single seat config that Boeing was stating, 242 seat configs, they should be about 114t OEW.
It should be in Boeing's best interest to see to it that the public info is correct, otherwise they risk rumours becoming the accepted norm. Maybe they could edit the wiki article..
sunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 3948 posts, RR: 4 Reply 186, posted (1 year 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 19263 times:
Quoting sweair (Reply 185): It should be in Boeing's best interest to see to it that the public info is correct, otherwise they risk rumours becoming the accepted norm.
I don't think what the public knows is important to Boeing. However I am certain that their customers for the type know what the values are.
Albaugh noted during the Boeing Investor Day conference that the 787 is receiving a FMC software update due to "spurious readings." I wonder if this explains why only one frame is being delivered in May.
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 177): if you're going to do anything else you need a special airworthiness certificate/experimental, which requires the Experimental placard and (as far as I know) an N-registration.
The FAA has something called First-Of-Model testing...every time you roll out a new configuration on an existing type they usually make you do a FOM test, which falls into the Experimental category because it requires stuff beyond the production test.
Perhaps JA809A is testing the latest version of the aforementioned FMC software update and this requires the Experimental decal/N registration. Also, Matt Cawby reports that a flight crew is on JA810A today doing a 6hr ground test of the flight controls. Is this normal activity or could it better be explained by the FMC update?
tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 81 Reply 189, posted (1 year 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 17898 times:
Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 187): Perhaps JA809A is testing the latest version of the aforementioned FMC software update and this requires the Experimental decal/N registration.
An FMC software cert would certainly drive you into Experimental territory.
Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 187): Also, Matt Cawby reports that a flight crew is on JA810A today doing a 6hr ground test of the flight controls. Is this normal activity or could it better be explained by the FMC update?
The FMC and flight controls aren't coupled as far as I know; I don't see why an FMC software roll would drive a flight controls ground test.
sweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1550 posts, RR: 0 Reply 190, posted (1 year 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 17700 times:
All the frames past LN65 require no rework, but maybe they need this new FMC update, but that is hardly an EMC task?
ANA has the first rework free frame, LN66. Just maybe this will speed up delivery for the patient customers with later frames? If they build 3½ frames a month it should be 3 frames delivered in the next month? They have a huge backlog to eat through..
AI will get 8 frames this year seems like most are built in SC.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26685 posts, RR: 83 Reply 194, posted (1 year 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 17221 times:
Quoting sweair (Reply 193): If no rework is needed, why would it take more than a month to deliver?
Not everything is installed on the FAL. The interior (seats, galleys and lavs), for example, is installed off the FAL. Also, there are at least one Boeing and one Customer test flight (B1 | C1) and there can be additional flights. Plus ground tests and system functionality checks. It all adds up.
sweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1550 posts, RR: 0 Reply 196, posted (1 year 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 17224 times:
Seems like the 787 is not out of the woods just yet, after 2 months with 3 deliveries they are down to 1 again.. A sad tale of a project derailed long ago.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26685 posts, RR: 83 Reply 197, posted (1 year 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 17119 times:
Quoting sweair (Reply 196): Seems like the 787 is not out of the woods just yet, after 2 months with 3 deliveries they are down to 1 again.
Boeing is concentrating on the airframes with the least amount of re-work needed, but they still need re-work.
This week Boeing again announced studies to increase the production rate beyond 10 per month and are still on plan to reach 5 frames per month by the end of the year.
kanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2464 posts, RR: 21 Reply 198, posted (1 year 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16855 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 194): The interior (seats, galleys and lavs), for example, is installed off the FAL
I believe the galleys and lavs are installed much earlier on the plane .. like back in the subs. they are definitely in when the plane is in FAL. Now seats are another matter, but generally Boeing installs them in FAL .. one really doesn't want interiors done on the field in our weather if one can help it.
tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 81 Reply 199, posted (1 year 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16665 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 194): Not everything is installed on the FAL. The interior (seats, galleys and lavs), for example, is installed off the FAL. Also, there are at least one Boeing and one Customer test flight (B1 | C1) and there can be additional flights. Plus ground tests and system functionality checks. It all adds up.
Like kanban said, I'm pretty sure the interior goes in in the FAL. However, between rolling out of the factory and delivery you have:
-paint
-first fuelling
-Defuel and refuel
-Weighing
-First APU and engine runs
-All remaining systems checkouts (in the FAL the plane can't run on its own power sources because it has no fuel)
-Flight release
-B1 (and possibly B2, B3, etc., each one requiring intermediate maintenance and a new flight release)
-Customer walks
-C1 (and possibly C2, C3, etc. each one requiring intermediate maintenance and a new flight release)
-FAA (or foreign regulator) walk
-Hanging the airworthiness certificate
-Delivery
scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3254 posts, RR: 10 Reply 201, posted (1 year 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16581 times:
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 199): Like kanban said, I'm pretty sure the interior goes in in the FAL. However, between rolling out of the factory and delivery you have:
-paint
-first fuelling
-Defuel and refuel
-Weighing
-First APU and engine runs
-All remaining systems checkouts (in the FAL the plane can't run on its own power sources because it has no fuel)
-Flight release
-B1 (and possibly B2, B3, etc., each one requiring intermediate maintenance and a new flight release)
-Customer walks
-C1 (and possibly C2, C3, etc. each one requiring intermediate maintenance and a new flight release)
-FAA (or foreign regulator) walk
-Hanging the airworthiness certificate
-Delivery
None of those are trivial tasks, it all adds up.
Thanks for that fantastic insight - being an outsider to aviation, why fuel then de-fuel is this to ensure that there's no swarf or dust in the system before the plant flies?
kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8435 posts, RR: 15 Reply 202, posted (1 year 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 16717 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 192): Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 188):
The aircraft LN68 now entry into assembly line at Everett. Now it could be the first aircraft for LAN Airlines.
Here is the official press release from LAN:
LAN’s first 787 Dreamliner enters Boeing’s final assembly factory
... LAN, which will take delivery of its first aircraft this year, will be the first Latin American carrier to operate the 787 (ATW Daily News, March 8). It will be powered by a Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 engine.
Just one ? Hate to think what the engine out performance would be like
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kanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2464 posts, RR: 21 Reply 204, posted (1 year 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 16447 times:
Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 203): So, why would it take until the end of 2012 to deliver even when considering the post FAL punch list items listed by Tdscanuck above?
could be that's when the customer requested delivery for various reasons.. maybe they're trying to get the one that's been complete since 2010 ready also for a two plane delivery.
tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 81 Reply 205, posted (1 year 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 16462 times:
Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 200): By way of reference, how much time would this typically take for mature programs like the 777 and 767?
I think it's something like 3-4 weeks for a 777...767 might go slower because the production rate is so low (i.e. they may not be running the flightline at full capacity on 767 because they don't have to).
Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 201): why fuel then de-fuel is this to ensure that there's no swarf or dust in the system before the plant flies?
I think that's part of it; there's an "aqueous wash" prior to paint (I think it's prior) that's supposed to clean the tanks out too but you need to fuel it absolutely full to verify no leaks and check the volumentric top-off system and then you need to test the defuel and dump systems and the fuel load for a B1 is nowhere close to full fuel so you have to defuel at least partly. I think they go all the way down to check the fuel pump pressure switches and autoshutoffs and so you get an accurate sump volume but I'm not sure about that.
Ruscoe From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1401 posts, RR: 2 Reply 206, posted (1 year 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 16405 times:
Quoting kanban (Reply 204): could be that's when the customer requested delivery for various reasons
I don't know if this is the case, but I have been thinking that Boeing will have to be careful not to give advantage to a late build 787 customer over an early build customer who has been waiting in some cases for a long time for delivery of their already built craft.
kanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2464 posts, RR: 21 Reply 208, posted (1 year 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15726 times:
several news services reported that line #5 stopped in at SEA for fit checking to the South concourse gate and ramp .. nice to hear but would have loved to see it...
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26685 posts, RR: 83 Reply 215, posted (1 year 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 15069 times:
Quoting sweair (Reply 214): Imo the 7810 would need a larger wing, but hey I am not paying .
Not at the same MTOW of the 787-9, which is where the current studies seem to be falling.
That being said, GE at least is mumbling they will be able to offer a more powerful version of the GEnx1B for the 787-10, which may imply that Boeing can get more than 252t of weight onto the undercarriage.
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4946 posts, RR: 15 Reply 217, posted (1 year 1 day ago) and read 14744 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 216): So I am guessing ZA237 (LN46) did not make her first flight from CHS yesterday and I don't see anything on FlightAware for today.
Is there anybody in the CHS area who could take photos whenever something flies outta there? I checked the database and I've only seen 67 total photos from CHS. Someone should get down there to spot the first 787 flight outta CHS
caetravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 898 posts, RR: 1 Reply 218, posted (1 year 1 day ago) and read 14745 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 217): Is there anybody in the CHS area who could take photos whenever something flies outta there? I checked the database and I've only seen 67 total photos from CHS. Someone should get down there to spot the first 787 flight outta CHS
I wish I had the equipment and the talent to photograph it myself. I definitely want to find out when it is supposed to fly and to watch that puppy take off myself.
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starrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1081 posts, RR: 2 Reply 227, posted (12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11624 times:
By the way, what happened with ZA236?
I heard at one point that it was nearly ready for delivery, did a bunch of flights, now it is back at San Antonio and it isn't in the delivery forecast.
Plus we were going to see three deliveries in May, now a couple may have slipped to June?
Are they simply running into too many jobs and not enough headcount?
It's interesting to see where they will be flying test flights out of KCHS. I would think the 100 + miles out over open ocean would be vacant of traffic but isn't that a little far out for the first flight? I'm sure Boeing doesn't think so.
ual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 538 posts, RR: 0 Reply 232, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10849 times:
I think we have a new ANA 787 painted at the fuel dock at KPAE.
flightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 409 posts, RR: 1 Reply 233, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10603 times:
I haven't followed it that closely, but how many 787s are getting the 787 painted on the side? I thought it was only going to be the first two aircraft...
dynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 765 posts, RR: 8 Reply 234, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10281 times:
Quoting flightsimer (Reply 242):
I haven't followed it that closely, but how many 787s are getting the 787 painted on the side? I thought it was only going to be the first two aircraft...
The first two have a special livery - not just the big 787. The remainder are getting the regular ANA livery with the big 787.
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4946 posts, RR: 15 Reply 237, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9269 times:
Hi,
which routes are JL flying their 787s on this year? I Know it's to Moscow, Boston, and Beijing, but are there any other routes planned for it this year?
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8263 posts, RR: 5 Reply 238, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9233 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 246): which routes are JL flying their 787s on this year? I Know it's to Moscow, Boston, and Beijing, but are there any other routes planned for it this year?
JL also flies NRT-DEL with the B787-8s and will operate both HND-SIN and NRT-SIN with the B787-8s. JL also plans to operate TYO-SAN and TYO-HEL with the B787-8s later this year.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8263 posts, RR: 5 Reply 240, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9169 times:
Quoting rogercamel (Reply 248): Is there a date set for the commencement of the Tokyo - SIN on 787?
On October 28th, JAL will deploy the B-787-8 on the HND-SIN route daily. On the same date, JAL will increase frequency on the NRT-SIN route to 2x daily and both services will operate with the B-787-8.
flightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 409 posts, RR: 1 Reply 242, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8603 times:
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8263 posts, RR: 5 Reply 243, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8654 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 250):
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 249):
JAL will increase frequency on the NRT-SIN route to 2x daily and both services will operate with the B-787-8.
Both flights to SIN on the 788, or just one flight 788?
Both flights will operate daily with the B-787-8. Thus, JAL will offer three daily B-787-8 operated flights between TYO and SIN.
United787 From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 2342 posts, RR: 1 Reply 244, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8114 times:
Almost the end of May...only 3 more days to deliver to AI this month...
United787 From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 2342 posts, RR: 1 Reply 245, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8075 times:
I am curious to see a list of the routes currently being flown by NH and JL. It would also be a great to see a list of future routes (already loaded in reservations systems) and future routes (announced but not loaded).
Maybe this warrants a new thread... if not, someone want to take a stab?
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4946 posts, RR: 15 Reply 246, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7842 times:
Quoting United787 (Reply 254): I am curious to see a list of the routes currently being flown by NH and JL. It would also be a great to see a list of future routes (already loaded in reservations systems) and future routes (announced but not loaded).
Maybe this warrants a new thread... if not, someone want to take a stab?
Maybe a "Current 787 routes thread" ? That might work. I would let a mod start it or someone familiar with NH,
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