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Air Transat Unveils New Cabins And New Club Class  
User currently offlineSafeFlyer From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 627 posts, RR: 5
Posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 20061 times:

Well, looks like TS will be updating its 330s and certain 310s (?) with a new cabin, including PTVs in both classes and some really classy touches on bathroom doors and bulkheads. Interestingly so, the "Club" class cabin is starting to look more and more like a real J-class product rather than an economy plus cabin with a J-style catering. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems the config in J is going from 2-3-2 to 2-2-2 with much greater pitch, although you won't find much in terms of details on TS's website, apart from this YouTube link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBse6WOCd70

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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1833 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 19817 times:

I'm impressed. Their on-board product has never been a significant part of their brand since their focus is as a leisure destination carrier. It's good to see them making this push. A few things I noticed from the video and their Facebook page:

- Simple, modernistic look and feel is refreshing compared to many who go for a more luxurious experience

- The new bathrooms look great!

- PTVs are all good and well, but it's difficult to pass judgement until we know what system they will be operating - will they have a selection of on-demand movies and shows? Or just a 9 channel satellite TV offering? Maybe something in between?

- They are getting on that mood lighting bandwagon. I haven't experienced mood lighting as of yet but I look forward to seeing if it's as great as some say

Quoting SafeFlyer (Thread starter):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems the config in J is going from 2-3-2 to 2-2-2 with much greater pitch

It certainly looks like they're going from 2-3-2 to 2-2-2. As for the pitch, it's pretty difficult to tell from that video. Current pitch on the 330s is 34" in Club and 31" in Y. If in fact there is a change in the pitch, I wonder how that affects overall capacity on the planes since TS operates their 332s and 333s with 342 seats for easy dispatching purposes.



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User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 19623 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 1):
It certainly looks like they're going from 2-3-2 to 2-2-2. As for the pitch, it's pretty difficult to tell from that video. Current pitch on the 330s is 34" in Club and 31" in Y. If in fact there is a change in the pitch, I wonder how that affects overall capacity on the planes since TS operates their 332s and 333s with 342 seats for easy dispatching purposes.

Going to 2x2x2 from 2x3x2 in J class is good but remaining at 3x3x3 in Y is not. That is tight especially on an A330.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26972 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 19588 times:

Very nice looks very classy . Their Club enhancements look very promising indeed.

User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19537 times:

This looks great! I love the colour choices used in the Club Class.

User currently offlineFly2yyz From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1044 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19508 times:

J - or what they call Club is going down from 21 seats to just 12 seats as it seems (you can count this in the youtube video). These changes are apparently only going into the 330s as they will be the remaining aircraft once the 310s exit the fleet.

In IFExpress (http://airfax.com/blog/index.php/tag/air-transat-in-flight-service/) it has been stated that Air Transat had selected the RAVE IFE system, which apparently are similar to those being used by SN, LH, AB and UL.

A lot of changes to celebrate 25 years in the Canadian skies!


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15739 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19385 times:

Quoting SafeFlyer (Thread starter):

Well, looks like TS will be updating its 330s and certain 310s (?) with a new cabin, including PTVs in both classes and some really classy touches on bathroom doors and bulkheads. Interestingly so, the "Club" class cabin is starting to look more and more like a real J-class product rather than an economy plus cabin with a J-style catering.

Somebody smells blood in the water.

That business class cabin doesn't look half bad. Certainly not on par with most legacies, but then the price probably won't be either and Air Transat tends to be far more leisure focused anyway.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 1):
- Simple, modernistic look and feel is refreshing compared to many who go for a more luxurious experience

It is rather simple in appearance, with the Club Class seeming spacious and comfortable, but lacking in luxurious materials.



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User currently offlinetribird1011 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 19055 times:

First flight with the new cabin should be sometime in mid-April (exact date not known yet) on aircraft C-GTSI - acquired from Thomas Cook, hasn't flown a revenue flight for Transat yet.

Next aircraft to be re-fitted will be sistership C-GTSJ - (affectionately known as the bastard child of the fleet because it doesn't have a proper Club Class - it's all Y seating), and possibly 2 more A330's before the year is out (not sure which, but possibly 300's)

The A310's won't get the full cabin re-fitting because they are not scheduled to be in the fleet much longer (actual time frame is unknown ~ 5yrs maybe??), but they will get some minor modifications to make them resemble the 330's - they will not get PTV's.


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1833 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 18999 times:

Quoting tribird1011 (Reply 7):
Next aircraft to be re-fitted will be sistership C-GTSJ - (affectionately known as the bastard child of the fleet because it doesn't have a proper Club Class - it's all Y seating)

Due to its "bastard child" status, is it used on specific low-yield routes? Or is it just a "luck of the draw" thing for Club class paying pax?

Quoting tribird1011 (Reply 7):
The A310's won't get the full cabin re-fitting because they are not scheduled to be in the fleet much longer (actual time frame is unknown ~ 5yrs maybe??)

I heard they first couple will go much sooner than that, as soon as mid-2013. A rumour of course, I don't have a source.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 6):
but lacking in luxurious materials.

For the price paid, this wouldn't bother me in the slightest. After a week's vacation I'd be passed out the whole way back anyway.   



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User currently offlineYYZYYT From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 18910 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 1):
It certainly looks like they're going from 2-3-2 to 2-2-2. As for the pitch, it's pretty difficult to tell from that video. Current pitch on the 330s is 34" in Club and 31" in Y. If in fact there is a change in the pitch, I wonder how that affects overall capacity on the planes since TS operates their 332s and 333s with 342 seats for easy dispatching purposes.

It looks quite fresh, and for longer flights (esp with jids) the IFE is a must. But the deciding factor for me will be whether there is an increase in seat pitch as long flights can be difficult for me with my knees jammed into the seat back in front. Any info on that front would be appreciated.


User currently offlinetribird1011 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 18857 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 8):
Due to its "bastard child" status, is it used on specific low-yield routes? Or is it just a "luck of the draw" thing for Club class paying pax?

They've tried to keep it to down south destinations, but it has managed to cross the pond a few times as well.

As for the 310's, that 5 yr guesstimate is my own for all 310's to leave the fleet. Naturally I don't expect them to leave all at once, so I would expect some to leave sooner and some later   - but like I said, I don't have an actual timeline!!


User currently offlineBralo20 From Belgium, joined May 2008, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 18614 times:

It looks really nice however I wouldn't ever want to fly in Y, such narrow seats and virtually zero legroom, wow, that has to be a horrible experience flying for even more then one hour in that configuration...

However, I do like the colors and I've to admit, "club" doesn't seem to bad (actually It does seem quite nice)... But "economy" (excuse me I ment "Cattle") seems very terrible to fly with...


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 18574 times:

What is going on with that row immediately adjacent to the loos in economy???? It seems to onstruct the aisle and litereally have a full view of a vacant lav! Eewwwww!


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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2977 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 18235 times:

Looks like a great cabin design. Certainly fresh and a great image to bring in.

Does anyone think that they will look to Asian routes at some point? There might be some options for them at a point in the future to explore.


User currently offlineYOWVIEWER From Canada, joined Jun 2010, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 18072 times:

Quoting Bralo20 (Reply 11):
It looks really nice however I wouldn't ever want to fly in Y, such narrow seats and virtually zero legroom, wow, that has to be a horrible experience flying for even more then one hour in that configuration...

I flew YUL to CDG in September in Y, and I found the experiece superb (flew AF in Y previous). Although I am a little shorter yet a little wider (like an A310) at 5"8", 190lbs. Yes, I had a window seat but was very comfortable. Strongly suggest taking the "Options Plus" package with AT as it offers the little extras that I enjoy without the larger price tag.


User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1869 posts, RR: 41
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 17394 times:
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Simple yet very elegant, I like it! It does appear (from 1:20 in the video) that there are both 2 and 3 seat rows in near the window? How does that work?

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User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 17213 times:
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I think it looks great. Well done and she be a welcome addition to passengers.


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User currently offlineHawaiian763 From Canada, joined May 2009, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 17207 times:

I flew with Transat numerous years ago and it wasn't the greatest travel experience, but this year I flew with them again going to Cancun and I have to say I was really impressed with some the changes they were making.

Now granted it wasn't anything like I saw in the video (which I must say are absolutely amazing, especially the improvements to club class), but it was a much better travel experience thats for sure. Comfy seats and even having PTV's made the journey a lot smoother.


User currently offlineCarls From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 16952 times:

Room for legs in economy looks amazingly small..I can't imagine 8 hours sitting on that seat!   

User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 16405 times:

Quoting Carls (Reply 18):
Room for legs in economy looks amazingly small..I can't imagine 8 hours sitting on that seat!

I was thinking the same. 9 abreast and no legroom = No repeat business.

Looks like people will have to wedge themselves past the row of seats to get to the window.


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1833 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 16093 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 13):
Does anyone think that they will look to Asian routes at some point? There might be some options for them at a point in the future to explore.

I highly doubt it. I don't think there is a strong enough leisure market. BUT, if AC goes belly-up, watch Transat eat up that business within days. WS doesn't have the metal to do it so I can guarantee TS would take a 330 or two and send them westward and reap the benefits.

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 15):
It does appear (from 1:20 in the video) that there are both 2 and 3 seat rows in near the window? How does that work?

It doesn't. Seems like another one of those infamous oversights where the person doing the mock-up has no idea what they're doing. It appears they mixed the 332 (3-3-3) and 333 (2-4-2) cabin. Rookie marketing mistake there.

Quoting cipango (Reply 19):
I was thinking the same. 9 abreast and no legroom = No repeat business.

Club class is actually surprisingly cheap (relatively speaking) so I'm sure you'd have no complaints up there.



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User currently offlineDemoose From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 15833 times:

Well I look forward to seeing if I will experience the new cabin when I fly with them from MAN to YVR in May. Can't say I was expecting too much from them, considering the flights to Vancouver cost less than what I paid to fly with Easyjet to Egypt!


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User currently offlinecanadiantree From France, joined Jun 2006, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 15739 times:

4 years ago, I flew YVR-CDG aboard Air Transat on a an A332, I had a windows seat and the flight lasted 9 hours 15 minutes. I am 6 feet 1 and 220 pounds. The flight was very comfortable and I didn't even get up once from my seat. So by all means comfort is subjective and depends on everyone's expectations, but I don't find that 9 abreast on a 330 is any less comfortable than 10 abreast on a 777 which seems to be the trend on most airlines operating the type.

User currently offlineshufflemoomin From Denmark, joined Jun 2010, 479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 15531 times:

I shared a window & aisle seat with a friend between Glasgow & Toronto a few years back and I wouldn't consider it again. We sat near the back where there are two seats on the outside rather than the three because we thought it would be better and we were wrong. We're both pretty tall guys at 6' 2"-ish each and my friend is quite well built. It was a miserable time for us and we both agreed we'd rather than pay the small amount extra to fly someone else next time. Maybe I'd be tempted to give them a try with this new cabin layout but I think I'd still think twice before it and there would be have to be enough of a price difference or much better departure time to help push me into it.

User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4226 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 15385 times:

When will we see the new product coming on line

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 6):
That business class cabin doesn't look half bad. Certainly not on par with most legacies, but then the price probably won't be either and Air Transat tends to be far more leisure focused anyway.

They are focused on the leisure market as that is their core business and they get the majority of their income from that market. The leisure market is who they cater to with their Air Transat Holidays division. They don't fly to any particular business destinations.

On a related note, Do they still fly to LHR or have they gotten out of that Zoo?



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25 WestJet747 : Nolitours basically sustains their business. They really set the benchmark for other airlines realizing the value of having a Vacations arm. It's bec
26 SafeFlyer : I admit I thought the same thing too but it is very subjective. The seat width might be a little tigther but unless you are significantly "wider", I
27 cschleic : I noticed that, too. At least if you have to go, you don't have to run far.
28 FriendlySkiesUK : Oh so they are having to keep 3x3x3 as they have lost seats (forward/back) by increasing to 32" but by keeping 3x3x3 they have gain seats (left/right
29 Post contains images WestJet747 : Sorry, but your logic here is lost on me Can you elaborate?
30 AirCanada787 : Starting this April and it will take two years to roll out the new cabin to the entire fleet. According to the information in the video description.
31 by738 : Oj jeez, those cheap graphics on the cabin walls/dividers will look very dated quickly, like a throw back to the late 70's
32 Viscount724 : Carriers with 10-abreast on 777s is (fortunately) still by far the minority of all 777 operators.
33 krisyyz : Looks pretty good! Although the pitch in Y seems, well the same as it is now, very tight. I've had mixed experiences on TS. Flew YYZ-CCC-YYZ on a A332
34 ElPistolero : How is the catering on TS? I've never flown them, but with AC frequently hitting ~$1400-$1500 (peak) to LHR from YOW/YUL, I might as well give them a
35 Post contains images multimark : Hmm, I wonder if we will ever see Jazz providing TS with regional feed? Huh? CP once òperated the largest package tour arm in the business, so TS di
36 WestJet747 : I don't have the exact numbers, but they do own a handful of their own a/c. I have no idea what the answer to your configuration question is. I never
37 SafeFlyer : To the best of my knowledge, all of TS's 330s are on long-term leases (talking 10, 15 year leases here), none are owned.
38 tribird1011 : The only thing that sets them apart is that the initial 3 -200's (GGTS, GITS, GPTS) were acquired new directly from Airbus, while all the rest were a
39 cxh : Actually, Canadian Holidays is part of Transat Holidays now. Sometime in the late 1990s, before CP was merged/taken over by AC, they spun off Canadia
40 krisyyz : Thanks! It would definitely make sense to reconfigure them if they will be in the fleet for 10+ years. Any idea if TS prefers more -300s or -200s to
41 jetMARC : I agree. That is HORRIBLE! The refurb looks very nice, fresh, and modern, but having so many seats smack in between the lavatorys is gross and uncomf
42 YVRLTN : The Europe flights are operated for Canadian Affair, they used to share the flying with TCX and to YYC occasionally ZB, but they are now running the e
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