IrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1727 posts, RR: 5 Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11499 times:
How much capacity change will this represent on the current SCL-MAD-FRA flight used on the 343?
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined exactly 12 years ago today! , 9067 posts, RR: 13 Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11481 times:
LAN really must feel the thread of AV/TA plans in Peru (A330 plans) that start using their prime aircraft on the Peru routing. This is only good for the consumer so good luck to them.
eastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 802 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11382 times:
When will LATAM announce they are going to OneWorld officially? May was said when they will technically "merge" would they wait until then or maybe any announcements at FIDAE this week?
Roseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8737 posts, RR: 52 Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11207 times:
Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 5): How much capacity change will this represent on the current SCL-MAD-FRA flight used on the 343?
That's about a 20 seat drop, although the A340 has a larger business class section. For LAN, the 787 will be about midway between the 767 and A340.
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jrn216 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2012, 34 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10790 times:
Quoting g500 (Reply 4): The article also says that Santiago-EZE will follow...
I find this interesting. Santiago to Buenos Aires is no more than a 2 hour flight, I believe. Is this route being used initially for crew training etc or is it a longer term plan to maximise the 787's utilisation?
Roseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8737 posts, RR: 52 Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10686 times:
Quoting jrn216 (Reply 9):
I find this interesting. Santiago to Buenos Aires is no more than a 2 hour flight, I believe. Is this route being used initially for crew training etc or is it a longer term plan to maximise the 787's utilisation?
LAN typically has a 767 do a SCL-EZE-SCL turn during the day. I'd expect it to be for fleet utilization.
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g500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 720 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10596 times:
Quoting Talaier (Reply 12): Similar to the rationale with the FRA flight from MAD
Anybody here think LAN could support direct SCL-FRA and skip the MAD stop??
C010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3513 posts, RR: 21 Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10529 times:
Quoting g500 (Reply 13): Anybody here think LAN could support direct SCL-FRA and skip the MAD stop??
No, I don't think they can, but there is no need for it as well. JJ flies GIG-FRA and GRU-FRA nonstop. IMHO, LAN should stop flying this tag altogether.
Talaier From Spain, joined May 2008, 490 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10481 times:
Quoting g500 (Reply 13): Anybody here think LAN could support direct SCL-FRA and skip the MAD stop??
The problem is that it would rely heavily on FRA as an end-point. IB's codeshare from MAD already covers pretty much every city in Europe and the ability to code-share and offer two daily flights between MAD and SCL gives a lot of flexibility to both airlines (LAN and IB that is).
I think FRA will eventually get its own flight but I'm not expecting that to happen any time soon. A daily SCL-FRA flight is a bold move in a market that is not that large (bearing in mind SCL can only offer connectivity to Chile and Argentina at most and that LAN lacks a partner at FRA) for LAN.
This of course not counting on LH fighting back. And in any case I'm not sure FRA would go before LHR.
I could be wrong of course but that would be the logical outcome of things.
aloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8355 posts, RR: 47 Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10480 times:
Quoting g500 (Reply 13): Anybody here think LAN could support direct SCL-FRA and skip the MAD stop??
No way. There may be significant ties between Germany and Chile, but those between Spain and Chile (and IB and LA) are much stronger. The fantastically cheap fares between MAD and FRA exist for a reason.
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 15): IMHO, LAN should stop flying this tag altogether.
Why? That would mean they'd have an A340 sitting in MAD doing nothing all day. If they couldn't make some extra money with the tag-on, they would stop it.
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ultrapig From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10126 times:
When an aircraft which has recently eis, not just for an airline, but in general does the manufacturer have factory personnel ride shotgun to help in maintainance issues or alternatively position such people in places like Frankfurt?
RAGAZZO777 From Peru, joined Jul 2010, 553 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9675 times:
Wow, this is definitely great news for pax based in SCL and LIM. Can't wait to fly the 787 !!
Quoting g500 (Reply 4): The article also says that Santiago-EZE will follow...
I'm sure SCL-EZE/LIM-SCL will be the very first routes to see the 787 for crew familiarization purposes, before making them fly to LAX, MAD and FRA.
Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 8): That's about a 20 seat drop, although the A340 has a larger business class section. For LAN, the 787 will be about midway between the 767 and A340.
Exactly. Some time ago I read that LAN's 788s would have around 240/250 seats.
@Avianca: It's being rumoured in other aviation forums that LA will transfer 2 A340s to LP to operate LIM-MAD-LIM in the meantime. I'm having a hard time to believe that, even though that move would make sense given that LIM handles more traffic to MAD than SCL.
g500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 720 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9637 times:
Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 21): I'm sure SCL-EZE/LIM-SCL will be the very first routes to see the 787 for crew familiarization purposes, before making them fly to LAX, MAD and FRA
That's usually what airlines do, they keep their new fleet types in the region, in this case EZE and LIM would make sense.
I think the article is talking about its first long-haul destinations, which will be LAX and MAD/FRA
Arcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2397 posts, RR: 26 Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9407 times:
Well, LAN is getting two Dreamliners this year, so it won't start daily SCL-LIM-LAX and SCL-MADRID-FRA, but more like a mix of 787, 767 and 340 on both flights, won't it?
Anyway, great news to hear 787 will actually depart Santiago from the very beginning
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eastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 802 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9329 times:
Quoting Talaier (Reply 16): This of course not counting on LH fighting back. And in any case I'm not sure FRA would go before LHR
I think if LH had the right plane they would do FRA-SCL nonstop. I think if A330 had the wings for it they would. Europe to SCL nonstop is working marvelous for AF (Would KL go for it a few days a week?). Are chilean pax ditching IB for AF and paying the higher fares because of better service on board? Or is it because better treatment from the french immigration officers that the one in Barajas toward chileans? At the end of the day CDG gets you in the Schengen zone just like IB.
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25 Newark727: So would UA or LA get 787s into LAX first?
26 danimarroquin: so this means that one or 2 of the A340s would be release from SCL . they might transfer the A340s to LAN Colombia for the route BOG - MAD and JFK tha
27 Avianca: well it would make perfect sense, the route is a star seller regarding cargo and with the A343 they could uplfit upto 28 tons per flight instead of 0
28 cybergus: Excellent news...now, i know that the 787 is to replace their fleet of 340...so the question is when is SYD and AKL coming to the list? How many 787 w
29 SJOtoLIR: Well, LAN is currently deploying many wide-bodies out of Lima and heading to Europe, North America, deep South America and Easter Island, among other
31 YULWinterSkies: I think it all has to do with cargo demand which is solid on SCL-FRA, but LA needs enough pax to make it profitable, hence the stop in MAD. It is not
32 RAGAZZO777: OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...ounces-routes-for-boeing-787-fleet
33 Roseflyer: Depending on the airline, there will be an increased Boeing presence during entry into service along with a preparation for service support team that
34 laca773: Is LA placing the 788 on LAX-LIM for better fuel efficiency? I think it's great they will be flying into LAX with their new Dreamliners. Will one of t
35 Talaier: Well in terms of Business pax, IB and AF offer similar products (I'm talking J not F), with the huge plus side that IB and LA have much more O&D
36 penguins: And I only flew LAN on LIM-LAX 1 YEAR before I could have gotton a 787 (sigh).
37 lh526: The Prices for FRA-SCL are about the highest in the industry with FRA-SCL-FRA returns starting at US$ 1.700! Competition in that field definitely is h
38 something: AF ''spoke-network'' is much more comprehensive than that of IB. IB only flies to bigger cities; AF flies even into little Danish villages. LH's FRA
39 eastern023: A LH A330 does not have the pants for FRA-SCL right? Does anyone know?
40 airtrainer: Hmmm I'm sure many of us will be tempted indeed
41 something: The route is 7506 statue miles. Depending on loads and winds the A333 is running on dry tanks after 5100 of such miles. So no, not even close. The fl
42 eastern023: Much appreciated! So I guess for LH they're only hope is the A346.
43 Chrisba777er: When are they bringing them to LHR?
44 RAGAZZO777: LAN Airlines will operate the 787-8 on the Santiago-Lima-Los Angeles route beginning in the fourth quarter, like the press release states. Meanwhile,
45 Avianca: well ex CCS a Germany round trip on LH starts at 2200 USD .... unless they have some promotions, but even with promotions the fares are nearly 2000 U
46 SJOtoLIR: AV BOG-LAX 5x weekly with 762 was suddenly dropped in favor of AV BOG-SAL and then TA SAL-LAX on a daily basis. If LA would launch BOG-LAX as non-sto
47 laca773: I pretty much figured this out already, RAGAZZO77, though I do appreciate your thoughts. I brought up the use of the 788 on SCL-LAX-SCL because they
48 SCL767: A343=42C/218Y B788=30C/217Y LAN will soon offer two daily B763 operated flights on the SCL-EZE route. LAN Colombia would operate that route with a B-
49 eastern023: Does anyone know the exact delivery date of the first one? Does the manufacturer knows it?
50 SJOtoLIR: LA SCL-EZE operates around 50x weekly flights, in average. I hope this doesn't represent any downgrade, in terms of weekly frequencies. Regards.
51 SCL767: It will not since the B-787-8 will replace one of the B-767-316ER operated services on the SCL-EZE route. LAN operates up to 10 daily flights between
52 SCL767: It was mentioned today in the Diario Financiero that LAN may receive its first Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner in August! LAN espera ahora cerrar fusión con
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