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OAG Changes 3/30/2012: AA/DL/F9/UA/US  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7029 posts, RR: 13
Posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11439 times:

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".


AA JFK-SXM NOV 0.2>0.5
*AA LAX-ACV JUN 0>1.1 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2 OCT 0>2 NOV 0>2
AA LAX-BNA JUL 1.0>2
AA LAX-BOS JUL 3>4
I see a pattern.
*AA LAX-HNL JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4
*AA LAX-LIH JUN 1.6>1.8 JUL 1.5>2 AUG 1.6>1.8
*AA LAX-OGG JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
AA LAX-SJD JUL 1.8>1.7
*AA LAX-YYZ JUN 1.0>1.6 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2 NOV 1.0>1.5
AA SJU-DOM AUG 3>1.5 SEP 3>1.1 OCT 3>1.0 NOV 3>1.0

AM MIA-CUN MAY 0.5>0 JUN 0.3>0
AM ORD-MTY JUN 0.5>0

BW JFK-MBJ APR 1.0>1.2

DL ATL-MGM MAY 10>9
DL ATL-MXP OCT 0.7>0.5
DL ATL-SHV JUL 6>7 AUG 6>7 SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6 NOV 6>7
DL ATL-TPA NOV 11>12
DL CVG-TPA NOV 1.8>1.0
*DL DTW-HTS MAY 1.8>0.8 JUN 1.7>0 JUL 1.8>0 AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.9>0
DL JFK-AGP JUL 0.7>0.9 AUG 0.7>0.8
DL JFK-PRG SEP 1.0>0.9 OCT 1.0>0.9
DL JFK-SNN OCT 0.8>0
DL JFK-ZRH SEP 1.0>0.7 OCT 0.8>0.6
DL MOT-MSP SEP 7>8 OCT 7>8 NOV 7>8
Earlier end
*DL PHL-CDG SEP 1.0>0.1 OCT 0.8>0

EC EWR-ORY MAY 2>1.9 JUL 2>1.9

Looks like the scheduled an additional airplane
F9 DEN-AUS JUL 1.9>3 AUG 1.9>3 SEP 2>3 OCT 2>3
F9 DEN-COS JUN 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
F9 DEN-MSP JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
F9 DEN-PHX JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4
F9 MCI-AUS MAY 0.5>0.3
Been expecting this
*F9 MCI-BOS MAY 0.9>0.5 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 0.9>0

G4 ATW-LAS AUG 0.2>0.1
G4 AZA-CID APR 0.7>0.0
G4 AZA-FSD APR 0.7>0
G4 AZA-LAS APR 1.0>0 MAY 0.8>0 JUN 0.9>0 JUL 0.9>0
G4 AZA-OAK APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.8>0 JUN 0.9>0 JUL 0.8>0
G4 BLI-LAS SEP 0.7>3 OCT 0.8>3 NOV 0.7>3
G4 FAT-LAS SEP 0.1>0.9 NOV 0.1>0.9
G4 LAS-SCK SEP 0.1>0.9 NOV 0.1>0.9

KL IAD-AMS JUL 1.0>1.4 AUG 1.0>1.4 SEP 1.0>1.3

LY JFK-TLV SEP 1.7>1.6

OR SFB-AMS JUL 0>0.1 AUG 0>0.2

OZ IND-ORD APR 0.1>0.0
OZ LAX-SJC NOV 0.9>0

SS MIA-ORY SEP 0.3>0.0 OCT 0.3>0

SY BOS-MSP OCT 0>0.7 NOV 0>0.7
SY JFK-MSP OCT 0>1.2 NOV 0>1.1
SY LAS-MSP OCT 0>1.5 NOV 0>1.5
SY LAX-MSP OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
SY MSP-CUN NOV 0>0.1
SY MSP-SEA OCT 0>1.1 NOV 0>1.0
SY MSP-SFO OCT 0>0.9 NOV 0>0.9

Big Fall cut in DEN in leisure markets
UA DEN-BIL JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
UA DEN-BIS JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
UA DEN-BUR SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3
UA DEN-BZN JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5
UA DEN-COD SEP 1.0>2
UA DEN-CPR SEP 4>5
*UA DEN-CUN SEP 0.2>0 NOV 0.9>0.1
UA DEN-CVG NOV 1.9>1.1
UA DEN-FCA NOV 2>1.1
*UA DEN-FLL SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
UA DEN-GTF SEP 2>3
UA DEN-HLN NOV 2>1.1
UA DEN-JAC SEP 3>4 NOV 3>2
*UA DEN-LAS SEP 6>4 OCT 6>4 NOV 6>4
UA DEN-LIT JUL 3>4
*UA DEN-MCO SEP 4>2 OCT 4>2 NOV 4>3
UA DEN-MFR SEP 1.0>2
UA DEN-MLI SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2
UA DEN-MSN JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
*UA DEN-OAK JUN 1.9>0.1 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 2>0 OCT 2>0 NOV 2>0
UA DEN-OKC SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4
UA DEN-OMA SEP 6>5 OCT 6>5 NOV 6>5
UA DEN-PDX SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4
UA DEN-PHX SEP 6>4 OCT 6>4 NOV 6>4
UA DEN-PSP NOV 2>4
*UA DEN-PVR SEP 0.2>0 NOV 0.9>0.1
UA DEN-SAT SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3
UA DEN-SGF SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2
UA DEN-SJC SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4
*UA DEN-SJD SEP 0.2>0
UA DEN-SMF SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4
*UA DEN-TPA AUG 2>1.4 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0
UA DEN-XNA AUG 1.9>1.4 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0
UA DEN-YQR JUN 2>1.9
UA DEN-YWG JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2 SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2
UA EWR-ANU AUG 0.6>0.3
UA EWR-AUA SEP 0.9>1.0
UA EWR-BDA AUG 1.2>1.4
UA EWR-BQN NOV 0.8>0.7
UA EWR-CUN SEP 0.9>0.7 NOV 3>1.2
UA EWR-IND JUN 7>6
UA EWR-MBJ AUG 0.7>0.6 SEP 0.2>0
UA EWR-MDT SEP 3>1.5 OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2
UA EWR-PAP SEP 0.4>0.3
UA EWR-PLS AUG 0.9>0.6
UA EWR-POP SEP 0.3>0.2
UA EWR-SXM AUG 0.7>0.4
UA EWR-YYZ SEP 10>9
*UA GUM-NRT JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4
UA IAD-AUA NOV 0.2>0.1
UA IAD-BKW MAY 1.0>0.7
UA IAD-CDG NOV 1.9>1.0
*UA IAD-CUN SEP 0.2>0
UA IAD-DEN SEP 9>8 OCT 9>8 NOV 9>8
UA IAD-JFK SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5 NOV 4>5
UA IAH-AGU AUG 1.2>1.4
*UA IAH-BON SEP 0.1>0
UA IAH-BPT JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4
UA IAH-BZE SEP 0.9>1.0
UA IAH-CLL JUL 7>5 AUG 7>5
UA IAH-CRP JUL 8>9
UA IAH-CUN NOV 6>5
UA IAH-CUU AUG 1.2>1.4
UA IAH-CZM SEP 0.3>0.2
UA IAH-DGO SEP 0.2>0.3
UA IAH-GSP JUN 3>1.9
*UA IAH-HSV JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
UA IAH-LIR AUG 1.1>1.2
UA IAH-MBJ NOV 0.3>0.1
UA IAH-MGA AUG 1.5>1.6
UA IAH-MZT AUG 0.5>0.4 SEP 0.3>0.2
UA IAH-OAX SEP 0.7>0.4 NOV 1.0>0.7
UA IAH-PBC AUG 1.2>1.4
UA IAH-SAP AUG 1.4>1.5
UA IAH-SHV JUL 8>7
UA IAH-SJO AUG 3>4 SEP 2>3 NOV 4>3
UA IAH-SJU SEP 0.9>0.7
UA IAH-SLP AUG 1.4>1.9
UA IAH-TAM AUG 1.2>1.4
UA IAH-TRC AUG 1.2>1.4
UA IAH-TUS JUL 3>4
UA IAH-VPS JUN 3>4
UA IAH-VSA AUG 1.2>1.4
UA LAX-DEN SEP 9>8 OCT 9>8 NOV 9>8
*UA ORD-BIS JUN 1.0>0.2 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
UA ORD-CUN AUG 0.9>0.7 SEP 0.3>0.2 NOV 1.0>0.8
UA ORD-DAY JUL 6>7 AUG 6>7
UA ORD-DCA AUG 15>14 OCT 15>14 NOV 15>14
UA ORD-DEN SEP 10>9 OCT 10>9 NOV 10>9
UA ORD-DTW JUN 7>8
UA ORD-GSP JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3 SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3
UA ORD-PHX JUL 3>2
*UA ORD-PNS SEP 1.0>0.2 OCT 1.0>0.1 NOV 1.0>0.1
*UA ORD-PVR SEP 0.2>0
UA ORD-PWM JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
UA ORD-RDU JUN 4>5
UA ORD-STT NOV 0.2>0.1
UA ORD-SYR JUL 6>5
UA ORD-TVC JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
UA ORD-YYC JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5
UA SFO-CUN SEP 0.2>0.3
UA SFO-JFK SEP 7>6 OCT 7>6 NOV 7>6
UA SFO-PDX JUL 7>9 AUG 7>9 SEP 7>9 OCT 7>9 NOV 7>9
UA SFO-PVR SEP 1.0>0.6
UA SFO-SBA JUL 9>10 AUG 9>10
UA SFO-SEA JUL 8>9 AUG 8>9
*UA SFO-SJD SEP 0>0.7
UA SFO-SNA JUL 7>8 AUG 7>8

US CHO-LGA JUL 0.8>0.5
US DAY-LGA JUL 0.8>0.5
The service resumes in October???? WTF? That's extremely odd.
*US DCA-DFW JUN 0.8>0.2 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0 SEP 2.0>1.1 OCT 3>1.6 NOV 3>1.6
US DCA-PBI JUL 4>3
US DCA-RSW JUL 3>1.5
*US DCA-SAN JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
US ILM-LGA JUL 0.8>0.6
US LGA-ROA JUL 0.8>0.6
US PHL-EWR JUN 5>6 SEP 6>7
US PHL-LGA JUL 11>13

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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7029 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11433 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHL-LGA JUL 11>13

They got rid of all those slots and still fly LGA-PHL 13 times. What a joke.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA SFO-PDX JUL 7>9 AUG 7>9 SEP 7>9 OCT 7>9 NOV 7>9

VX Response


User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4234 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11204 times:

Allegiant is the one that stands out on this one to me. An awful lot of cuts for them, especially at AZA. With the Mad Dog's being the fuel guzzlers that they are, are they finally starting to hit a wall, or are they shifting their focus elsewhere?

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):

They got rid of all those slots and still fly LGA-PHL 13 times. What a joke.

That was always the plan...regardless of what people think there are a lot of US customers who do connect out of LGA in PHL to points further. I may not agree with it, but the market is there for it. Also, ZW is keeping a crew domicile in LGA and this is the only way to get ZW planes to and from LGA without pulling a lot of mainline from CLT-LGA, which I think we can all agree would be a very bad thing.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA ORD-DCA AUG 15>14 OCT 15>14 NOV 15>14

Of note, this is where the SFO slot is coming from.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL JFK-SNN OCT 0.8>0

Do they still run ATL-SNN? If not, I believe this is the last of the US carriers (except for maybe UA out of EWR), to serve SNN, meaning you have to fly EI in the future.

Two other notes

The DEN pulldown by UA is no surprise. WN's effect on that market is well known, and with F9 eliminating the last remnants of YX from their system, the planes are all going to end up in DEN, and with fuel prices where they are, UA realizes they can make more money elsewhere.

AA building up LAX is eyecatching. If I am not mistaken, these additions could make them tops at LAX over UA, which seems to be focusing more West Coast efforts up at SFO, despite VX being based there. I can't believe though that T4 has much more room for AA to add more flights beyond this though. Keep an eye on this if a US/AA merger does happen. This is why I think the PHX hub is safe in such a merger.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7174 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11182 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
I see a pattern.
*AA LAX-HNL JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4
*AA LAX-LIH JUN 1.6>1.8 JUL 1.5>2 AUG 1.6>1.8
*AA LAX-OGG JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3

Perhaps competing with DL? IIRC, DL has significant Hawaii presence out of LAX

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
G4 AZA-LAS APR 1.0>0 MAY 0.8>0 JUN 0.9>0 JUL 0.9>0

Ah, so Spirit took this route completely. Surprised to see this one end for G4

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA DEN-CVG NOV 1.9>1.1

Hopefully, they'll ditch the CRJs and move up to maybe an E170....this route is very uncomfortable to fly in a CRJ



One of the FB admins for PHX Spotters. "Zach the Expat!"
User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11153 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 2):
The DEN pulldown by UA is no surprise. WN's effect on that market is well known, and with F9 eliminating the last remnants of YX from their system, the planes are all going to end up in DEN, and with fuel prices where they are, UA realizes they can make more money elsewhere.

To be fair, most of the DEN trims are for leisure destinations. They do this every year. Nothing new here.



"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7029 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10715 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 2):
Allegiant is the one that stands out on this one to me. An awful lot of cuts for them, especially at AZA. With the Mad Dog's being the fuel guzzlers that they are, are they finally starting to hit a wall, or are they shifting their focus elsewhere?

They actually did a lot of Fall pulls from 2/week to 1/week in a bunch of markets, but because the difference was so slight and far away I did not show them.

Quoting apodino (Reply 2):
That was always the plan...regardless of what people think there are a lot of US customers who do connect out of LGA in PHL to points further.

It may be the plan, but they *could* fly a few mainline like they used to instead of an army of DASH-8s. It's just slot covering. We all know it.

Quoting apodino (Reply 2):
Do they still run ATL-SNN? If not, I believe this is the last of the US carriers (except for maybe UA out of EWR), to serve SNN,

It's just a seasonal pull. They moved the termination earlier.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
Perhaps competing with DL? IIRC, DL has significant Hawaii presence out of LAX

I can't believe how G4 screwed up Hawaii. They took so long to get in that there are hardly any niches left.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
Ah, so Spirit took this route completely. Surprised to see this one end for G4

It must have never been very good for G4 to give up so easily.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 4):
To be fair, most of the DEN trims are for leisure destinations. They do this every year. Nothing new here.

It's deeper than last year. Only 4 LAS is very light and last Fall they had 757s on it and this year only Airbus.


User currently offlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3379 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10682 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 2):
That was always the plan...regardless of what people think there are a lot of US customers who do connect out of LGA in PHL to points further.

With the PHL-EWR increase UA/US will also be up to 10-12 flts a day. This is the same case, a number of people in PHL surprisingly connect through EWR and vice versa.


User currently offlineMLI717fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10587 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
G4 AZA-CID APR 0.7>0.0
G4 AZA-FSD APR 0.7>0
G4 AZA-LAS APR 1.0>0 MAY 0.8>0 JUN 0.9>0 JUL 0.9>0
G4 AZA-OAK APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.8>0 JUN 0.9>0 JUL 0.8>0
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
Ah, so Spirit took this route completely. Surprised to see this one end for G4

I don't think this is cut, I think this is just another example of G4's screwy OAGs. They just extended their schedule last week, and they have the route continuing at 4x weekly through mid November. Further, they have CID's at least 3x through mid November, and it's daily the first week in April (5x the 2nd week, and 3x thereafter). I don't see G4 cutting this route to zero in April, it's just their weird OAGs.

Another example:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
G4 BLI-LAS SEP 0.7>3 OCT 0.8>3 NOV 0.7>3

A few weeks ago they cut this and a bunch of other BLI routes back dramatically. This week it's back up to 3x. For G4 to be so strict about keeping their LFs above 90%, they have to know the markets they serve, so I doubt they would seriously have service fluctuate this much.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2208 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10540 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 2):
Allegiant is the one that stands out on this one to me. An awful lot of cuts for them, especially at AZA.

I wonder how many of the AZA cuts are seasonal. Arizona traffic always declines after grade school spring break (which is this week for many schools in the upper midwest), and the aircraft used on these routes could be going to other markets, or parked, for the spring / summer.

Likewise, I think most of the cuts to Caribbean routes by UA are seasonal pull downs.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA ORD-BIS JUN 1.0>0.2 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0

This cut is the biggest surprise of the week for me. North Dakota is booming because of shale oil, and I'm puzzled why this route didn't meet UA's expectations.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA LAX-BNA JUL 1.0>2

So much for the long-held belief held by some posters here that LAX-BNA / YYZ were going to be cancelled "soon" by AA.



Seaholm Maples are #1!
User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10424 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 8):
So much for the long-held belief held by some posters here that LAX-BNA / YYZ were going to be cancelled "soon" by AA.

I flew DCA-BNA-LAX on AA/Eagle earlier this month. While the BNA-LAX segment wasn't completely full, F was, and the agents in BNA said that its always full of celebrities and other high yielding traffic. Some of the best flight attendants in AA were on that route too! Very nice to all.


User currently offlineaaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1521 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10345 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 2):
AA building up LAX is eyecatching

Most of those are seasonal adds. The additional BNA flight is most likely to stick beyond fall.



With a choice between changing one's mind & proving there's no need to do so, most everyone gets busy on the proof.
User currently offlineJosh32121 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10168 times:

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 9):
I flew DCA-BNA-LAX on AA/Eagle earlier this month. While the BNA-LAX segment wasn't completely full, F was, and the agents in BNA said that its always full of celebrities and other high yielding traffic. Some of the best flight attendants in AA were on that route too! Very nice to all.

How funny to make an AA connection in BNA in 2012. I remember visiting the airport many weekends in the early 90's and walking through a bustling Concourse C and and the now-closed D (to watch from the tarmac level). Quite a different scene last time I was there a couple of years ago with some jetways removed and Canyon Blue planes parked on C instead of silver LuxuryJets. That BNA-LAX flight has stuck around this entire time, though, no doubt due to the entertainment industry on both ends of the segment.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7029 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10127 times:

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 7):
I don't see G4 cutting this route to zero in April, it's just their weird OAGs.

Could be. Don't know.

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 8):
This cut is the biggest surprise of the week for me. North Dakota is booming because of shale oil, and I'm puzzled why this route didn't meet UA's expectations.

F9 just added BIS right? I hope they fare better. "Gold rushes" are always short-lived.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2208 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10032 times:

Quoting Josh32121 (Reply 11):
That BNA-LAX flight has stuck around this entire time, though, no doubt due to the entertainment industry on both ends of the segment.

The entertainment industry is the primary reason this flight has succeeded, but Nissan has major operations in both the Los Angeles and Nashville areas. AA may be carrying some Nissan traffic, too.



Seaholm Maples are #1!
User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4375 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9936 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

*AA LAX-HNL JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4
*AA LAX-LIH JUN 1.6>1.8 JUL 1.5>2 AUG 1.6>1.8
*AA LAX-OGG JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3

First thing that needs to be said is this will mark the exit of the 763 in the LAX-Hawaii market. All those flights will be 757 come July. Still, that does result in the addition of apprx 100 seats to both LAX and OGG. Good to see these markets recover to the levels before some slashing occurred in the past few years.



The Best Care in the Air, 1984-2009
User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4995 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9938 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):


The service resumes in October???? WTF? That's extremely odd.
*US DCA-DFW JUN 0.8>0.2 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0 SEP 2.0>1.1 OCT 3>1.6 NOV 3>1.6

Not so odd when they're reducing:

DCA-PBI JUL 4>3

and:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):


US DCA-RSW JUL 3>1.5

If those frequencies come back to Florida and they cut DFW again, that would be odd. No sense making DFW a seasonal operation, they can reduce PBI/RSW frequency and upguage the a/c when needed and keep the slots for DFW.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9909 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 2):
AA building up LAX is eyecatching. If I am not mistaken, these additions could make them tops at LAX over UA,

AA and UA are very close - within less than 2% as of JAN12, but this won't quite do it unless UA keeps cutting LAX Skywest prop flying without replacing it.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
Perhaps competing with DL? IIRC, DL has significant Hawaii presence out of LAX

AA is the larger player in LAX-Hawaii. None if this expanded Hawaii flying is new - AA does it every summer.



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User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1537 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9573 times:

It's interesting to note that between AA, UA, and DL on HNL-LAX, there will only be one widebody out of a total of 15 flights come July. An AM DL 763. No AA or UA widebodies that I can find.


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User currently offlineMountainFlyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9410 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 12):
Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 8):
This cut is the biggest surprise of the week for me. North Dakota is booming because of shale oil, and I'm puzzled why this route didn't meet UA's expectations.

F9 just added BIS right? I hope they fare better. "Gold rushes" are always short-lived.

Also notice that UA added a 5th daily to DEN at the same time. Perhaps they have more feed to more western destinations hence the switch from ORD to DEN. Just my   



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7029 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9322 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 15):
If those frequencies come back to Florida and they cut DFW again, that would be odd. No sense making DFW a seasonal operation, they can reduce PBI/RSW frequency and upguage the a/c when needed and keep the slots for DFW.

It's got to be an error. Seasonal DFW?

Quoting MountainFlyer (Reply 18):
Also notice that UA added a 5th daily to DEN at the same time.

Responding to F9


User currently offlinealtod From Mexico, joined Mar 2012, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8668 times:

why Do you find UA Wiping the DEN-SJD frequency out?? They always do.

User currently offlineMAV88 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8614 times:

How long out of the year does the SS ORY-MIA run?

User currently offlinerunner13 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8454 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 13):
The entertainment industry is the primary reason this flight has succeeded, but Nissan has major operations in both the Los Angeles and Nashville areas. AA may be carrying some Nissan traffic, too.

Does anyone know the timing of this 2nd flight. I think a redeye would be perfect for business. Arrive at BNA in the morning fly back on the 6pm flight. Or vice versa, depart BNA on the turnaround redeye, and come back on the redeye.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8122 times:

Quoting MAV88 (Reply 21):

How long out of the year does the SS ORY-MIA run?


September and October, just like always. SS does not fly to Miami during those months.



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User currently offlineaaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1521 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7677 times:

Quoting runner13 (Reply 22):
Does anyone know the timing of this 2nd flight. I think a redeye would be perfect for business. Arrive at BNA in the morning fly back on the 6pm flight. Or vice versa, depart BNA on the turnaround redeye, and come back on the redeye.

Departs LAX 22:55, arrives BNA 04:55
Departs BNA 07:10, arrives LAX 09:20



With a choice between changing one's mind & proving there's no need to do so, most everyone gets busy on the proof.
25 Post contains images SurfandSnow : Probably won't last a day after the revenue guarantee expires... Most of it just appears to be seasonal additions. However, I would think that all th
26 RWA380 : Yep, last time I flew the LAX-BNA flight, it was a 757, I got upgraded at the last minute due to a no-show, and got to sit in front of two guys that
27 wn676 : Why? It seems to be a large-enough market (even before you consider the ability to connect pax beyond DCA) and they'll likely have it all to themselv
28 AVLAirlineFreq : It's also a heavy military travel market, which US has initially focused upon for adding flights from DCA.
29 drerx7 : When was that - I flew the route myself a couple of years ago it was a 738. I was in Nashville in dental school from 2007-2011 for dental school and
30 TOMMY767 : Dummy skeds. You are looking too far in advanced. Nobody reallyl knows at this time what the a/c will be by the time the fall rolls around.
31 enilria : I usually highlight most markets that go to zero. Besides, it was previously selling so they must have planned on flying it; unless they purposely du
32 Humberside : UA still fly SNN-EWR. IIRC double daily on certain days in the Summer. They are also the only airline to fly SNN-US year round now - EI stop for a co
33 HPRamper : But if California would legalize the largest cash crop in the northern half of the state, the revenue wouldn't run out... B6 could have a flight that
34 Post contains images ScottB : The DEN cuts aren't just in leisure markets. PDX is a great city to visit, but it's not a leisure market. By the same token, SJC/SMF/BUR/MLI/OAK/OKC/
35 EricR : AF already has access to the NYC market via JFK. Also, UA's huge presence at EWR certainly does not help matters. As far as PHL is concerned, it is U
36 mariner : You've said this before and I'm puzzled - Frontier has more destinations to Mexico than it has ever had, from more places. The final straw was Delta
37 enilria : Not the first time they have done something like that. Puzzling.
38 Post contains images SW733 : I think LAS would be OK. There is enough of a market and only one other nonstop competitor. Plus, I just bought a ticket for October, so it better st
39 usairways85 : Understood. My point was more along the lines of the amount of people who do connect between NE cities. US must have good number of people flying EWR
40 ScottB : Oh, I agree with that, but keep in mind that each carrier is feeding its own hub separately, so it's more logical to consider the the frequencies sep
41 KaiGywer : I would expect them to increase flights to MOT. This rush is here to stay for a while....although it's not really close to BIS yet....thankfully... T
42 RWA380 : Not unless AS gets two awards.
43 HPRamper : LGA is a business-oriented market and as such frequency is what matters most. If it were a standard market catering to leisure travel maybe we would
44 ScottB : Drink the Kool-Aid much? All that frequency is unnecessary for the business traveler precisely because the bank structure doesn't support it. DCA is
45 Post contains images Cubsrule : The route doesn't need more capacity; AA goes out with plenty of empty seats, and while WN fills the planes, it's usually a ton of thrus (30+ to/from
46 Jet13 : Hello, What's the reason of IWA-FSD-IWA being dropped? usually the flights are pretty full Thanks in advance! -Nick
47 MountainFlyer : They did a couple of weeks ago. I believe they went from from two dailies to four from DEN. The UA service to MOT is barely two years old. No kidding
48 enilria : Exactly. If they were truly serving the big int'l bank, for example, they would fly a mainline into that bank, but as of that schedule change it is a
49 aaway : Problem with BOI was the attempt to facilitate the entire network - 1 flight timed for Hawaii, the other timed for "back east" - with a bunched sched
50 HPRamper : Then why? If US is losing money on the routes - or at least not making much - why not just sell more slots off? Is it to be able to say they still ha
51 enilria : US is definitely losing money on PHL-LGA on a segment basis, but "on a beyond basis" they can tell themselves it is making money. I'm sure they aren'
52 Post contains images KaiGywer : The thing is, living won't be formalized. Most of the oil workers are working 14 on/14 off, and making enough money to where they fly home to their f
53 HPRamper : It's an embarrassment that there is no push to build more permanent housing out there. It's because all the developers expect the boom to end before
54 KaiGywer : Part of the problem is there is nobody to build houses. A friend of mine owns a construction company up there, and even paying in excess of $25/hr fo
55 slcdeltarumd11 : US fills LGA-PHL. 13 a day is still alot but if they aren't upsizing the planes they need the seats. EWR at 7 flights a day is pretty impressive. I ac
56 DeltaL1011man : Only way the MAT goes is if Delta gets C and D all alone, even then they may not do it. I don't see Delta doing anything to help make the shuttle eve
57 enilria : That's pretty bad, but again I can't believe the job market won't equalize in under 30 months and housing be built. Exactly Load factors equal nothin
58 apodino : A couple of things here. One is this....if US had dumped more slots to DL in this deal, DOT and/or DOJ may have shot the deal down. I don't know how
59 EricR : With regard to the Bakken Shale area and North Dakota in general, using new home developments as a long term prognosticator is error prone. It takes
60 DeltaL1011man : *sigh* Come on now. If this was the plan all along why not move the US shuttle into the MAT, the DL shuttle over to C/D and give US 2/3 gates till th
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