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Saudia Increases JFK And IAD Services  
User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4773 posts, RR: 43
Posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7858 times:

Dear All,

This is to inform you that SV has officially announced that it shall be embarking on a major U.S. expansion spree this summer with frequencies into both JFK and IAD increased considerably. The main highlights effective 12JUN are as follows:

JFK-JED frequencies increased from 3 to 5 weekly nonstop flights operated with a B 772ER.

JFK-RUH frequencies increased from 1 to 2 weekly nonstop flights operated with a B 772ER.

IAD-JED frequencies increased from 2 to 3 weekly nonstop flights operated with a B 772ER.

IAD-RUH frequencies increased from 1 to 3 weekly nonstop flights operated with a B 772ER.

All flights are terminator flights with no domestic tag ons in either USA nor KSA.

The above mentioned frequency increases are available for booking across all major GDS booking systems.

Rgds
Behramjee

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User currently onlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8344 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7654 times:
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when did Saudia stop flying 744 to JFK ?

User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8093 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7601 times:

So JFK is daily now.

I flew Saudia in October AUH-MED-JED, service was good, they're not run for profit which cuts both ways, cabin crew were a little disinterested (although the purser was great, a real old pro) but the catering was great for a short (2h or less) flight.

What was really interesting was the transit in JED (to Daallo Il-18 to HGA, second mention of that flight in two posts for me), seeing all the SV fleet lined up at midnight, lots and lots of 747-300, -400, and 777-200 all ready to fly off to the US, Asia, Europe etc. You usually only see one Saudia jet at a time, not rows of their heavies. Impressive operation.

The airports in Saudi Arabia weren't as plush as I expected, more like Tehran Mehrabad (on a bigger scale) than Dubai - big and functional but a bit worn out. I would recommend a transit flight if they're an affordable option from N America to (say) India. An unusual option, interesting airline.



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User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 7242 times:

No 77W to JFK or IAD?!

User currently onlineAirxliban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4511 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 7236 times:

Good to know - I've logged 106 flights on SV so it's a matter that interests me. Are the JFK-RUH/JED flights staggered so as to achieve daily service from that airport to KSA? Or are there some days where there are 2 SV planes on the ground?


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User currently offlineusdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 965 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 5140 times:

Quoting Airxliban (Reply 4):
Or are there some days where there are 2 SV planes on the ground?

No, there should only be one plane on the ground at a given time. The days are normally staggered with one flight going to JED one day, then RUH the next etc. I could have sworn this frequency was used in the past, but I could be mistaken. When will DL place its code on the SV flights? That would definitely help win some Fly America business in Washington and encourage connecting traffic over NYC.


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 5120 times:

Quoting Airxliban (Reply 4):
Or are there some days where there are 2 SV planes on the ground?

Indeed there are no flights on sundays but two flights on tuesdays from JFK.

No tuesday flight from IAD so that evens out the utilization to N. America.

[Edited 2012-03-28 04:00:04]

User currently offlineusdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 965 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 5040 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 6):
Indeed there are no flights on sundays but two flights on tuesdays from JFK.

Thanks...I stand corrected!


User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2030 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 5007 times:

Very interesting news. I did not fly on Saudi when I came here. Since Saudi is the only nonstop to the USA, I am surprised their service was so infrequent, especially to RUH, it is a huge city.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 2):

The airports in Saudi Arabia weren't as plush as I expected, more like Tehran Mehrabad (on a bigger scale) than Dubai - big and functional but a bit worn out. I would recommend a transit flight if they're an affordable option from N America to (say) India. An unusual option, interesting airline.

Yes what a great observation! Welcome to Saudi. Lots of oil wealth does NOT equate to plush anything in Saudi.


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4954 times:

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 5):
When will DL place its code on the SV flights? That would definitely help win some Fly America business in Washington and encourage connecting traffic over NYC.

Probably not any time soon. They promised that they would not codeshare with SV when that idiotic "DL is against Jews" controversy was being stirred up...



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User currently offlineAA909 From Australia, joined Jan 2012, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4708 times:

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 8):
Yes what a great observation! Welcome to Saudi. Lots of oil wealth does NOT equate to plush anything in Saudi.

But it often means weird! i.e. DMM, world's largest airport but with half-built terminal, strange interior, huge atriums but minimal atmosphere. You can tell it was built to a high standard, but it all just feels rather odd.


User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2030 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 4317 times:

Quoting AA909 (Reply 10):
Quoting klwright69 (Reply 8):
Yes what a great observation! Welcome to Saudi. Lots of oil wealth does NOT equate to plush anything in Saudi.

But it often means weird! i.e. DMM, world's largest airport but with half-built terminal, strange interior, huge atriums but minimal atmosphere. You can tell it was built to a high standard, but it all just feels rather odd.

Yes, welcome to Saudi.


User currently offlineTdan From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 429 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 4250 times:

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 5):
When will DL place its code on the SV flights?

A SV agent told me July 1st for codeshares and mileage accruals. Take it with a grain of salt



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User currently offlineEightball From Saudi Arabia, joined Oct 2007, 280 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3955 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 2):
The airports in Saudi Arabia weren't as plush as I expected, more like Tehran Mehrabad (on a bigger scale) than Dubai - big and functional but a bit worn out.

On the bright side, some key airports in the kingdom are getting a makeover.

The first phase of the expansion project at JED should be ready by 2014:

http://www.jed-airport.com

There's also an expansion project for RUH:

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/riyad...ree-fold-in-five-years-434784.html



Follow your dream.
User currently offlineflylku From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 806 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3617 times:

Who is on these flights? I suspect mostly business people and families. Is tourism non-existent? I think for me as a US citizen I would have to have a letter of introduction to even get a visa and then a sponsor in country that I would have to travel with when I got there, but I really have no idea. The thought of buying a ticket and going for a few days is appealing but I am guessing impossible.


...are we there yet?
User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2030 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3603 times:

Quoting flylku (Reply 14):
Who is on these flights? I suspect mostly business people and families. Is tourism non-existent? I think for me as a US citizen I would have to have a letter of introduction to even get a visa and then a sponsor in country that I would have to travel with when I got there, but I really have no idea. The thought of buying a ticket and going for a few days is appealing but I am guessing impossible.

There is lots of commerce between the two countries. Many Americans have jobs here.

Please spend your money somewhere else. Forget about your dream Saudi trip.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3453 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 2):
The airports in Saudi Arabia weren't as plush as I expected, more like Tehran Mehrabad (on a bigger scale) than Dubai - big and functional but a bit worn out.

A lot of that was built in the 1970s, so it isn't exactly young anymore.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 9):
They promised that they would not codeshare with SV when that idiotic "DL is against Jews" controversy was being stirred up..

To be fair it isn't just Delta that gets it. There was a protest that resulted in Allianz not being allowed to get the naming rights to what is now MetLife Stadium.

Quoting flylku (Reply 14):
Who is on these flights? I suspect mostly business people and families.

Probably. I wonder how many connections they could get from Houston and Dallas with a decent codeshare.



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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3427 times:

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 15):
Please spend your money somewhere else. Forget about your dream Saudi trip.

Out of curiosity, is there anything to even see in Saudi Arabia for tourists? I know that the Islamic holy sites are off limits to non-Muslims.


User currently offlineOM617 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3336 times:

Quoting LOWS (Reply 17):
Out of curiosity, is there anything to even see in Saudi Arabia for tourists? I know that the Islamic holy sites are off limits to non-Muslims.

I suspect more than you'd think, but if Islamic holy sites are completely off-limits at all times, not much point, they would be the most interesting. Maybe you could spend time sunbathing on the beach?? Haha!... Read a few years ago some tour organization was offering escorted tours but they were pretty expensive. It would probably be like going to N. Korea...

Also heard the SV flights, at least out of IAD, were all but empty, total pax could fit on a Gulfstream. Is this still accurate?

OM617


User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

[quote=OM617,reply=18]Also heard the SV flights, at least out of IAD, were all but empty, total pax could fit on a Gulfstream. Is this still accurate?

At least out of IAD I would say not at all. If they were empty, why is SV adding flights?

There have been a few times when I have had flights out of IAD the same time as the SV flights were departing. I either had to walk by or my gate was directly across from where SV was departing. They looked pretty full to me.


User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

Quoting IADLHR (Reply 19):
There have been a few times when I have had flights out of IAD the same time as the SV flights were departing. I either had to walk by or my gate was directly across from where SV was departing. They looked pretty full to me.

There's a large Saudi diplomatic presence in the DC area, probably larger than most other countries. It wouldn't surprise me if the flights are kept for this reason alone.


User currently offlineEightball From Saudi Arabia, joined Oct 2007, 280 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3232 times:

Many of the passengers that travel between Saudi Arabia and the U.S. are Saudi students who are attending colleges in the U.S. There are also Saudis who visit the U.S. for business or tourism.

Quoting LOWS (Reply 17):
Out of curiosity, is there anything to even see in Saudi Arabia for tourists?

Some travel agencies organize some trips to Saudi Arabia for tourists, such as scuba diving tours in the Red Sea. Scuba diving in the Red Sea is one of the things that I cherish the most about living in Jeddah. Since I'm currently a college student in San Diego, every time I visit Jeddah I do my best to join a diving trip for enjoyment as well as to maintain my diving proficiency.

Some underwater scenes of the Red Sea in Jeddah:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_l4aRXiLbk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWGW_esn7mI

Here are some examples of dive operators in Jeddah:

http://www.sauditourism.com.sa/en/Experiences/news.aspx?NewsID=19

[Edited 2012-03-28 12:28:50]


Follow your dream.
User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2030 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2848 times:

Yes, Eightball is right on all counts..

There are some attractions in Saudi Arabia. But you will never be able to enter without a sponsor.

I am surprised SV did not have more service to the USA before. I guess all the other one stop players via Europe and the Middle East are too strong in the market.


User currently offlinesuisjes From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days ago) and read 2538 times:

I have flown on them and my dad actually worked for them in the 80's and they were modern for that time they had a lot of ex-pats that had worked for them. They actually modeled there maintenance department after the bigger airlines with the shops etc. It was a top - notch maintenance facility. Infact, I not sure but, I believe they were the one of the only Rolls Royce certified overhaul shops that was endorsed by Rolls Royce in the middle east they were not as extravagant as say emirates but, I have flown first class from JFK to JED and it was comparable to TWA or Pan AM

User currently offlinealphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2468 times:

SV flights from IAD are usually Close to full, and often overbooked during the peak travel periods. There is a very large middle eastern population around DC, and over the years SV has been growing steadily at IAD. Many utilize connections to Egypt, Sudan, and other places - much more than simply O&D but 99% non-US citizens.

25 babybus : When you think of the very close relationship between those two countries and the number of ex-pat workers in Saudi that number of flights is tiny. T
26 klwright69 : Yes, absolutely right. Even the small community college near my folks home in Colorado has loads of Saudi students attending. It is really stunning t
27 washingtonian : Do a lot of them connect at IAD onto United and other airlines?
28 FSDan : I bet LH, AF, and KL carry quite a few people to and from Saudi. Looking at the June schedule: LH FRA-JED - 4x weekly LH FRA-RUH - Daily LH FRA-DMM -
29 leftyboarder : And don't forget TK IST-RUH - 14 weekly TK IST-JED - 21 weekly TK IST-DMM - 4 weekly
30 yellowtail : And the elephants in the room....QR, EK
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