rampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3125 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 26292 times:
Just heard this on the radio. Tackling and arrest are not appropriate responses to a medical emergency. It sounds as if the pilot was having a stroke or seizure of some sort. (In a seizure, restraint can be even more damaging.)
A complete and accurate story should be forthcoming. The linked article, and the radio report I heard, were not complete, and partially contradictory. (Off-duty pilot flying? or just involved in restraining? Arrested, not arrested?)
Listen carefully near the end of the second video- sounds like the guy filming is confronted by his seat mate after one of the FA's told passengers taking photos was unnecessary- starts to get a little heated.
[Edited 2012-03-27 12:47:39]
Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
BCEaglesCO757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 242 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 25731 times:
Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 8): But don't let that excuse him from running up and down the aisle of the plane screaming, 'Say your prayers!'
Do we know that he is diabetic ?
People who have diabetic seizures act in different ways. Alot of times slurred speeech is one of the signs. Most have no reccollection of what they say or do. It can can easily be mistaken for being outright drunk. I've seen it myself.
type-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 25735 times:
If you have diabetes the best you can get is a third class medical certificate if you use insulin. And that takes quite some doing.
Your local FAA medical examiner can't grant the certificate OKC has to grant it after carefully reviewing your particular case each and every time you are up for renewal.
So based on that since most ATP licenses require a First Class medical, I think he would be out.
It could be that perhaps he had a mini stroke or similar or some kind of neurological event that caused this situation.
And on no! It was a flight 191!!!
Fly North Central Airlines..The route of the Northliners!
bcoz From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 25352 times:
At the risk of speculating here... It could be possible that the guy simply cracked up. Technically, that would be a medical issue... And I'm sure B6 doesn't want to put out a statement that says, "Our aircraft diverted because our captain cracked up."
IADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 25085 times:
Reading the articles and seeing it on the news, he started to act bizzare after he left the restroom. From what I have seen, and know, of diabetes, which isnt a great deal, I dont think a diabetic siuation gets that bad so quickly. However, I stand corrected.
I hate to say it, but it makes me wonder if some kind of drug reaction, maybe even street drugs, is involved. It just seems that everything changed so suddenly.
Could it be another bipolar situation? We may never know the answer to this one.
m11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 25080 times:
Quoting rampart (Reply 6): I'm a lilttle worried about the "restrain him" order. I didn't realize FAs had law enforcement authority. Maybe they need to, but with that they require some training in legal issues and procedures.
It's great that passengers have proven time and time again that they are always willing to come to the help of a cabin crew member during an emergency. However, it is quite troubling that the automatic response to any on board disturbance these days is, "Tackle him/her!" The flight attendant who made that request over the PA system may have just freaked out and not known what to do... It is too soon to tell what happened but it seems like requiring four passengers to tackle a crew member having a medical emergency was not only unnecessary but wreck less.
In the recent AA incident where a mentally ill F/A had a mental breakdown the remaining F/As and an off duty pilot did try to verbally calm her down before resorting to physical force. It doesn't seem like any attempt was made here to establish what was actually happening before resorting to physical force.
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cbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1551 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 24529 times:
Quoting sccutler (Reply 22): Folks, let's all give the guy a break. Something profoundly disruptive has clearly happened in his life, most likely derailed a presumably successful and promising career with a good company.
The flight is safe; I just hope the affected Captain can get treatment and manage a full recovery
This might come as a shock to many on this board, but pilots and flight attendants ARE human after all! We are not Gods, like some passengers think we are, and we are susceptible to lots of things in life, just like everyone else is. Who knows, he might have just lost a kid, or was handed divorce papers, or could have a serious, undiagnosed medical issue. The fact is, the flight landed safely and the system worked. Until we know more about the situation, give they guy a break!