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Australian Aviation Thread # 60  
User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 687 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 20717 times:

Below is a snap shot on what was discussed in Australian Aviation Thread # 59.

* Qantas fleet news
* Skytrans confirmed it will launch Toowoomba-Sydney services in JUL12
* Alliance Airlines F100 services
* Qantas 747-400 refurbishment schedule
* Qantas and its JNB services from Sydney
* Qantas A380 services
* Lengthy discussion about Qantas' Dallas - Australia flights and passenger numbers
* QantasLink to introduce 717s on Brisbane-Alice Springs in APR12
* Alice Springs Airport happens to be listed in the Virgin booking engine - possible new service?
* Lengthy discussion Australia - South America air services market
* Strong passenger growth for Brisbane and Melbourne Airports
* Melbourne Airport expansion
* Virgin Australia announces it will construct a lounge at Hobart Airport in 2013
* Various Airline schedule changes and increases
* Aerolineas Argentinas - possible changes to SYD schedule
* Qantas 747 retirement
* Jetstar Hong Kong announcement
* SilkAir inaugurates Darwin services
* Virgin Australia and Virgin Atlantic finally commence codesharing on Sydney - Hong Kong vv
* EVA Air Brisbane services
* Flightaware finally introduces coverages in Australia

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User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 687 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 20718 times:

Push for international flights from Canberra

Quote:

Released 26/03/2012

Canberra’s push for international flights in 2013 will step up this month with the establishment of a taskforce to coordinate our city’s efforts.

The taskforce will comprise members drawn from the business and tourism sectors to work with Canberra International Airport and the ACT Government.

Now is the time for a Canberra team to come together to pitch to airlines to start direct international flights to and from Canberra.

In recent months, the ACT Government has been meeting with key stakeholders, and last month I visited New Zealand to hold initial discussions with aviation and airline representatives about future direct services.

Following meetings with Air New Zealand, Wellington Airport and Positively Wellington Tourism there is a consensus that with the appropriate level of investment and collaboration we could attract significant levels of business and leisure travellers in both directions.

Positive discussions with Tourism Australia to market cooperatively into cities that could be serviced by direct flights have also taken place.

Last year the Government committed $100,000 for an Airline Access Development Fund. From this has come a demand analysis report – which included consultation with key stakeholders – that identifies and evaluates potential markets to attract direct international flights. A draft report is currently under consideration and further international routes such as Canberra-Singapore are being examined.

The initial indications from business and tourism industry stakeholders have been extremely positive, and it is now time to gather all our expertise and pitch to airlines to attract them to Canberra.

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User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 20663 times:

in other QF news:

http://www.theage.com.au/business/fi...ic-from-qantas-20120328-1vxmm.html

Quote:
Fiji wrests control of Air Pacific from Qantas
Matt O'Sullivan
March 28, 2012 - 11:53AM

The military-controlled Fiji government has tightened its ownership rules for airlines in a move aimed at reducing the control Qantas, a major shareholder, exerts over the flag carrier Air Pacific.
The new law stipulates that Air Pacific will have to be under the ''substantial ownership and effective control'' of the government, a Fijian citizen or a corporation which is at least 51 per cent owned by Fijians.
The Civil Aviation Decree will also require that at least two-thirds of Air Pacific's board are Fijian, and that the airline is ''under actual and effective control of Fijian citizens''.
Advertisement: Story continues below
The Fijian government has argued Qantas, which has a 46 per cent in Air Pacific, has maintained effective control over the airline through super-majority and veto rights over significant parts of the airline.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 20469 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 4):

Probably the government could've committed the $100,000 else where which really needed it...

If the demand was there I understand but really what's so difficult about transitting VIA Sydney or Melbourne etc...

EK413



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User currently offlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2081 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 19962 times:

After living in Canberra for 3 years I absolutely love the place. It's so much easier than Sydney and you can find real peace and quiet when you desire it.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 4):
Canberra has a decent catchment (Queanbeyan, Wagga etc) but the total population within a radius of 150-200km will still be substantially below the population of Adelaide and it's catchment. Look at how little service ADL gets is as it is...

How much of that catchment other than Canberra itself is likely to travel overseas? Canberra is too close to Sydney and the main highway goes straight through to Sydney Airport (not that it's any fun driving along it once you approach Sydney). It's 25 minutes of flight time by jet (double it to include taxiing at Sydney airport). I'd love a fast train airport to airport via the respective city centres, but I'm probably dreaming. It will be necessary if they want to turn it into Sydney's second airport, but I already struggle to see that coming true.

But Canberra is too far away from anything bar south pacific countries for narrowbody service and it's difficult to see there being enough demand for widebodies. You would really need a "Greater Sydney airport" situation with fantastically cheap deals to make it a worthwhile for passengers to fly out on, and it's still probably more cost effective for the likes of Scoot, Jetstar and AirAsiaX to fly out of Sydney, whatever the airport charges due to the greater demand.

* Are there any overseas destinations (eg NZ) where there is consistent and sufficient government travel?
* Are there any seasonal destinations with sufficient travel? (eg snow trips to NZ. Canberrans tend to be pretty outdoorsy. University holiday/return related flights?)

The other option might be feeder domestic legs that connect with overseas flights (eg via Darwin or Cairns to Asia).

Even if overseas tourists were willing to fly directly into Canberra the city needs more decent accommodation. Most of them are designed around driving tourists or serviced apartments for longer stayers. When parliament is in session it's difficult to book anything decent at a reasonable price.



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User currently offlineMilesDependent From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 19938 times:

Quoting QF175 (Thread starter):
* Aerolineas Argentinas - possible changes to SYD schedule

Looks confirmed to me. Non-stop to SYD, and pulling out of AKL.

First EZE-SYD on 2 July.

AR 1180; EZE-SYD; 0830/1320; 340; Mo,We,Fr
AR 1181; SYD-EZE; 1830/1955; 340; Tu,Th,Sa

EZE-SYD showing as 15hr50min flying time!

Why do they have the 340 sitting on the ground in SYD for so long. Arriving into EZE at 1955 is too late for a lot of connections. Why not leave SYD at 1500 and get into EZE at 1630?

md


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 19927 times:
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Quoting MilesDependent (Reply 5):
Why do they have the 340 sitting on the ground in SYD for so long.

Given AR's track record for punctuality it is probably wise to have some slack in the schedule.



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User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 19455 times:

FJ tried CBR-NAN and the route was pulled rather quickly. I wish I could be on a committee to get paid to recommend a CBR-SIN link...do they actually seriously believe such a route could be viable or have they convinced themselves it could be truthful???

User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 19415 times:

Quoting MilesDependent (Reply 5):
AR 1180; EZE-SYD; 0830/1320; 340; Mo,We,Fr
AR 1181; SYD-EZE; 1830/1955; 340; Tu,Th,Sa

I can't seriously think that there will be feed from anywhere else in South America with those timings (and potentially nowhere in Argentina except BA) - they are making themselves entirely dependent on the Argentina-Australia market. The current schedule not only allows for NZ traffic but also allows connections elsewhere in South America. Very risky move, I'd have thought. I can only think it's driven by the need to reduce crewing and accommodation costs by having only a point-to-point service.

[later] Ooops - seems there is a horrible red-eye from both GIG and GRU to "connect" (four hour wait) at EZE for the SYD flight.

[Edited 2012-03-29 21:06:37]


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User currently offlineADDICT4QF From Australia, joined Feb 2011, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 19031 times:

vhebb,

> QF B747-400 VH-OJO had her last flight on FRI 30MAR12, doing the QF64 JNB-SYD run. It is now withdrawn from the fleet.

> QF B747-400 VH-OJB will be withdrawn from the fleet in just over a week.

[Edited 2012-03-30 21:15:12]

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 18673 times:

Quoting ADDICT4QF (Reply 9):

> QF B747-400 VH-OJO had her last flight on FRI 30MAR12, doing the QF64 JNB-SYD run. It is now withdrawn from the fleet.

> QF B747-400 VH-OJB will be withdrawn from the fleet in just over a week.

So sad to see what was once a strong fleet of 36 B744 aircraft rapidly swink and before we know it QF will only have 9 B744...

Certainly is fair to say these B744 aircraft have been revenue makers for QF over the past 20 odd years...

EK413



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User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 18353 times:

Quoting ADDICT4QF (Reply 9):
QF B747-400 VH-OJB will be withdrawn from the fleet in just over a week.

Good riddance. I flew BNE-LAX on that bird last year and it was a wreck inside- old seat covers, lighting issues, old lavatories...


User currently offlineADDICT4QF From Australia, joined Feb 2011, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 18224 times:

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 11):

Yes, these retirements, cabin upgrades and fleet renewal are well and truely overdue!

I just hope and wonder how much it will actually contribute to winning back some market share.


User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 18210 times:

Quoting ADDICT4QF (Reply 12):
I just hope and wonder how much it will actually contribute to winning back some market share.

They will need to do a hell of a lot more to win back market share not just retire 744s.


User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 18150 times:

Quoting tayser (Reply 2):
in other QF news:

I heard that comming home from work on the radio on Friday night, didnt QF want to get rid of its stake in FJ like 18 months ago I think I am sure there was a thread about it on here.


User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 18140 times:

Flicking through Australian Avaition, the April issue in my lunch time on Friday, looks like Red Q is done and dusted, did he realy think that he was going to get that of the ground

User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25265 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 18091 times:
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Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 15):
Flicking through Australian Avaition, the April issue in my lunch time on Friday, looks like Red Q is done and dusted, did he realy think that he was going to get that of the ground

We must read different sources. Mr. Joyce has said that Red Q is postponed, not dead, and I surely hope it happens.

mariner



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 18082 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 16):
We must read different sources. Mr. Joyce has said that Red Q is postponed, not dead, and I surely hope it happens.

Correct. It was reported to have been put on hold for 2-3 years.

Its bound to come up again at some point.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 18046 times:

Was curious has VH-OJB operated more cycles as opposed to QF's 1st B744 VH-OJA which is currently still active in the fleet...

EK413



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User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 18014 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 17):
Correct. It was reported to have been put on hold for 2-3 years.

With that sort of time frame AJ needs to have a few runs on the board or he will be gone, and the new CEO won't want to run with a strategy which struggled to get off the ground.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 18005 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 19):
With that sort of time frame AJ needs to have a few runs on the board or he will be gone, and the new CEO won't want to run with a strategy which struggled to get off the ground.

And thats the thing here, theres lots of other work to do now to make what they have work.

Don't expect QF expansion and dont be surprised when the various Jetstar brands take on more of the workload. Using their partner carriers will become ever more important.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25265 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 17995 times:
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Quoting thegeek (Reply 19):
With that sort of time frame AJ needs to have a few runs on the board or he will be gone, and the new CEO won't want to run with a strategy which struggled to get off the ground.

I understood that t was always a five year plan. It is an impeccable strategy - it changes geography for Qantas - but an enormously difficult thing to put into effect.

mariner



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User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 17881 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 16):
We must read different sources. Mr. Joyce has said that Red Q is postponed, not dead, and I surely hope it happens.

I didnt get to read the full article but I am sure it said around the start of that story that Red Q is dead I will go back and have another look and glady say sorry to you and you were right if I read that wrong Mariner.  


User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 17864 times:

Could a plan like 738s or A320s and basing them out of say SIN or KUL and running them like a spoke system through out SE Asia like what Pan Am did from Heathrow, could that work for Qantas instead of creating another yet another airline for the QF group.

User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5664 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 17858 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 19):
With that sort of time frame AJ needs to have a few runs on the board or he will be gone,

You think he doesn't have runs on the board? I bet the Board disagrees with you!
Runs:
All the Jetstars
The Grounding, yes that was runs on the board, it did far more good than bad!
Cost cutting
Network realignment
RedQ (still to come)

All of which are good things for the bottom line.

Gemuser



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25 Flyingsottsman : I should have said "Could a plan like getting more 738s or A320s and basing them out of SIN or KUL".
26 EK413 : That is the plan and it is called Red Q once when it takes off the ground operating a B787 fleet but for now the expansion of Jetstar brand in Asia i
27 qf002 : That's exactly what they are trying to do with Red Q. The problems are that: 1. Qantas cannot own a controlling stake in any airline based in most As
28 mariner : No need to say sorry, the magazine may well have said "Red Q is dead" - (although I thought it had a question mark after it) - but is the magazine ri
29 airnewzealand : In other news to let ya'll know, SCL/DFW/BNE-LAX will now have the reconfigured 744. Next destination is BNE-SIN (May) SYD-LAX (QF107/108) Cheers
30 Post contains images mariner : A parallel is Virgin Samoa, in which the Samoan government owns 49%, a commercial group, Aggie Grey Hotels, owns 2% (for a 51% majority) and Virgin A
31 alangirvan : Here we go again! The sad story of international flights for Canberra. I was at the airport on the day of the first flight by Air Pacific - a service
32 eta unknown : Funny enough, I flew out OJB and returned on OJA! However, OJA had just come back from Avalon heavy maintenance the month before- everything was nice
33 MilesDependent : Air Asia's first day into Sydney today. Today's flight is operated by 9M-XXG.
34 Post contains images Zkpilot : *All the Jetstars... most are losing money officially, Jetstar Oz is however...(that is if you believe the clever accounting). *The Grounding... well
35 Post contains links mariner : Jetstar Asia is losing money? This article is dated 28 March 2012: http://www.businessday.com.au/busine...r-jetstar-asia-20120327-1vwgc.html "Jetstar
36 koruman : I don't for a second believe that any of the Jetstars is a profitable enterprise in terms of international travel. In fact, the travails of Air Asia
37 Post contains links mariner : I don't know what the caveat "in terms of international travel" means, but I know this from a year ago: http://www.centreforaviation.com/ana...le-bra
38 gemuser : Mariner in reply 35 & 37 has pretty well answered this. Cash accounting only. In reality it brought stability, thereby creating a platform for re
39 Post contains images RyanairGuru : I would love it is someone could actually prove this. But of course they can't, because it's untrue. The most compelling "evidence" was along the lin
40 koruman : Firstly, I'm not disputing that Jetstar can make money on all-economy 1 and 2 hour flights in eastern Australia. But compare and contrast the links b
41 qf002 : Not an example I had though of, but it's absolutely perfect... What's the addiction with the Olympics?!? Do you honestly think that there are that ma
42 thegeek : I'll concede The Grounding as doing more good than harm. Losing 20% of frequent fliers would be bad though if the "retaining 80%" figure above is cor
43 koruman : How can you say that? There are lots of successful niche premium international airlines out there doing great business and putting pressure on the ob
44 mariner : As you already know, I place little to no value on FF points/miles so I don't check the programs - and I'm the last person who ascribes value to 'em
45 thegeek : What are you saying? That it isn't high risk to compete based in a different country with already strong competitors? It seems that DJ disagree with
46 mariner : None of the airlines you name were premium, full-service carriers - which Red Q is intended to be - although L'Avion was bought by Open Skies which i
47 koruman : I was being ironic! On the NZ Aviation Board I spent most of the last five years arguing that the soundest business model for an airline in this part
48 koruman : Yes, I was one of them on Friday, when at the last minute I had to fly OOL-SYD-OOL. I flew out on a Jetstar max ticket, will get points but no includ
49 mariner : I'd love to know which class, because I wasn't offered it PER-MEL. The best I was offered was a quite expensive Flexi-fare (I'm paying for the goodie
50 RyanairGuru : I think that's what he is referring to. I agree, I really don't see the point of Flexi on DJ: you're paying a vast amount more (often hundreds of dol
51 Post contains images TruemanQLD : Now there is a surprise... Evidence, evidence, evidence... oh wait, there is none... Well it evidently is, or else QF wouldn't have done it. Some peo
52 IndianicWorld : No, VA can't offer you what you just stated in this example. Its 2 partners only offer the following routings on flight you mentioned: EY - BNE-SIN-A
53 qf002 : Damn you beat me to it...
54 IndianicWorld : haha.. sorry man. Other news today I read in the AFR is that BR (EVA Air) are looking at re-starting SYD and increasing BNE services. Its entry into
55 RyanairGuru : I will give VA's approach the credit they deserve: they are not making a loss on international routes. Even if the revenue they earn on each ticket t
56 Post contains links kiwiandrew : http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...iance/story-e6frg95x-1226316885002 VIRGIN Australia chief executive John Borghetti has no plans to join the mas
57 eaglefarm4 : EVA plan to do 6 or 7 charters to SYD in winter.I have the scheds if anyone wants them. They plan to resume the Monday flight ex BNE. From my contacts
58 Post contains links koruman : Yes, I chose a pretty bad example. Should have said Brussels, Dusseldorf, Geneva, Moscow, Munich, Milan etc! Having said that, I'd rather disembark a
59 koruman : Unfortunately I discovered at two days' notice that I had to attend meetings in Sydney from 930am to 4 pm on the penultimate day of daylight saving.
60 mariner : I've listed my problems with Virgin Australia already - the only reason i didn't switch to Qantas was because I couldn't get a seat that day. I'm fly
61 eta unknown : Don't assume the mark-ups are that high- you would be surprised how much the non-operating carrier has to remit back.
62 Bluebird191 : Would be good to see them increase their services - 2x weekly definitely isn't enough to be overly competitive into BNE. I've looked at booking fligh
63 Zkpilot : So conservatively they have lost 20% of their valuable frequent flyers... typically frequent flyers make up revenue-wise over half the revenue for pr
64 RyanairGuru : That was in the first month. I believe the gap is now almost nonexistent, but again I couldn't find anything official. If my experiences are anything
65 smi0006 : There has been significant growth in the Melbourne Taiwan market of the recent years, would this combined with transfer traffic be an impetus for BR
66 AusA380 : My experience has been the opposite - of my last lot of DJ flights, they have with one exception been on time or early. The one late was due to inbou
67 thegeek : I liked that one too when it happened to me. What really irked me is that they didn't think to send me a text so I didn't have to bum around Sydney A
68 RyanairGuru : I was booked to fly CBR-SYD-BNE with DJ. My flight was scheduled to leave at 9:30, and was canceled at 10:00. At 1:30 I was finally rebooked CBR-MEL-
69 byronicle6 : And it was you a few weeks ago proposing Long haul JQ services from OOL & CNS - LAX
70 QF175 : EVA Air schedules for Sydney are now available on the Airline's website. TPE/SYD 22:30L/09:50L+1 BR311 Mon/Thu SYD/TPE 11:20L/18:50L BR312 Tue/Fri Ser
71 Post contains links Sydscott : I thought I would share this article compairng the trials and tribulation of Air Canada to Qantas. Interesting read. http://www.businessspectator.com.
72 RyanairGuru : Thank you very much for posting, it is indeed an interesting read. As the article says, the parallels between QF and AC are, at face value, strong. H
73 gemuser : Exactly the point I was trying to make in Reply 38, although I hadn't realised the points re AC made in the article. Gemuser
74 Sydscott : There is another article behind their subscription wall hypothesising that what Qantas is creating is essentially a head company of Intellectual Capi
75 Post contains images TruemanQLD : Maybe QF should buy AC then launch JQ Canada Of course I doubt that would happen, but it is sad to see AC in such a way, I have only good things to sa
76 gemuser : But that was exactly what AJ (& Dixon, IMHO more AJ) did with JQ, he stopped the QF bureaucracy interfering with JQ and is one main reason JQ has
77 QF175 : Skytrans has confirmed its new Toowoomba - Sydney service will commence 02JUL. Schedule is as follows: TWB/SYD 07:15L/09:30L Q60014 Mon/Wed/Thu SYD/TW
78 QF175 : James Hogan (Etihad CEO) was quoted in today's TravelWeekly as saying that Etihad plans to increase Brisbane from 3x weekly to daily within the next 1
79 RyanairGuru : Re BNE I'll believe it when the additional frequencies touch at BNE! I think I've heard this at least 5 times since 2009.
80 Post contains links and images QF175 : It appears Delta 767-300ER/WL (76W) N196DN made an appearance in Darwin the night of 03JUL. Local media reports made mention that the flight brought i
81 RyanairGuru : There was also a DL 767 in CBR and DRW in November as part of the Obama party. I posted the rego at the time, but it was definitely a different frame
82 Bluebird191 : I wonder if they'll keep the stop in SIN or change it to a non-stop routing, if it eventually happens. Non-stop would be ideal, mainly to compete wit
83 eaglefarm4 : Mayby a mixture of non stop and via SIN.
84 Sydscott : Thought of the day - If the 787 had been delivered on time Qantas & Jetstar would currently have 43 of them in it's fleet.
85 Post contains images RyanairGuru : Why did Qantas never order the 777?
86 747m8te : ...because it should have already had 43 787s in its fleet by now...lol
87 eaglefarm4 : WHY didn't they have plan B then which would have been a sign of sound management.
88 mariner : The problem is not the delay, but the incremental nature of the various delays. If Boeing had come flat out and said they didn't have it together and
89 jrfspa320 : Did the Delta 767 fly direct to DRW from HNL? Must be a pretty long flight for a 767.... Did the same crew take the plane back?
90 RyanairGuru : HNL-DRW is only 300mi longer than HNL-SYD and is shorter than JFK-CAI so it shouldn't have had any problems. I can only comment on the November run b
91 Sydscott : Entirely agreed! If I was QF I'd have ordered at least double the number of A332's that they currently have and would be well on the way to not only
92 thegeek : That's an odd schedule. I thought Wednesday was a low demand day. So is Sat, but still... Not that convenient on Fridays heading out of TWB either.
93 QF175 : Qantas announced this morning that it will commence once weekly 737-800 services between Sydney and Newman effective 15MAY12. Schedule appears to be
94 QF175 : The 767 operated Guam - Darwin on 03APR and then departed almost 24 hours later last night to Tokyo (Narita). It's only 6.5 hours from Darwin to Toky
95 TN486 : For all of you who celebrate Easter, enjoy with you and yours, keep safe, cheers.
96 Post contains images QF175 : Virgin Australia's first new-build A330-200 VH-XFC has finally touched down in Melbourne tonight, after making the long journey from Toulouse and Kual
97 eaglefarm4 : Virgin commenced a 3rd weekday BNE-EMD flight last Monday with the ATR.
98 Post contains links mariner : I haven't seen this posted, but if it has been, let me know and I'll ask for deletion. Jetstar Japan receives it's AOC: http://www.centreforaviation.c
99 ZKOKQ : Hi guys. Does anyone have any updates on the expansion planned for BNE?
100 eaglefarm4 : It has gone quiet on the pavillion expansion at the domestic so i would expect that, as well as the extension of the Qantas terminal around to the nor
101 ZuluAlpha : I know that this isn't an airport expansion directly, but QF is also building is new catering facilities between the Domestic and the International t
102 ZKOKQ : Thanks heaps for that. Been a while since I have been down to have a look at BNE. Will be departing there in two weeks so will see some of the work t
103 EK413 : Which will be first of it's kind state of the art catering facilities... Happy to share with those interested... EK413
104 smi0006 : I'm Curious; Whats new and different? WIll SYD, PER or MEL be getting an upgrade? Do they even have catering centres there?
105 Post contains links EK413 : Sorry about the late response... The facilities will be built at cost of $72 million dollars and a joint venture with DHL... Not the link I was searc
106 eaglefarm4 : The Qantas catering centre needed to be built as the old one was in the road of the future domestic terminal expansion to the north.
107 EK413 : Well aware of the old centre being located / built on land where the new runway would be built, however Qantas saw this as an opportunity to build a
108 Post contains links Bluebird191 : Looks like Virgin Australia has purchased 10% of SkyWest for $8 million. Here's the link: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...-deal/story-e6frg95x-
109 EK413 : Another QF B744 off to the desert VH-OJO will depart SYD 17/04 @ 1410 operating as QF6021 SYD-VCV... I witnessed her today parked at the Qantas Jetbas
110 eaglefarm4 : EK413 I would suggest the situation of having to move the complex was the catalyst for building a new improved catering building. By the way the new r
111 bananaboy : Saw a Travel Service 737 sitting at one Gate 59 or 60 at the international terminal today. Any idea who is using it? Mark
112 eaglefarm4 : Just a tour Group bananaboy.Doing a round the world trip.
113 Post contains links qf002 : AusBT is reporting that the new VA A332's will be fitted with lie flat seating in J and VA's international grade 'Red' IFE system. According to the ar
114 eaglefarm4 : One of the 2 BNE-ASP flights changes to a 717 today so they can rotate the 717's for maintenance thru ASP onto PER. VH-NXQ is making it's first flight
115 alangirvan : Reminds us of the days that East West had F-28s in WA, flying from Perth to Port Hedland and Karratha, and those aircraft ferried back to the East th
116 IndianicWorld : Tend to agree that the product is overkill for the Domestic market (except maybe East Coast-PER flights), however it would be interesting to see what
117 alangirvan : They could already use A332s into DPS - just sub the domestic configuration planes onto Saturday services. Saturday would be a peak day for travel to
118 anstar : I doubt - VS have already made noises that if VA started this route they would view them as a competitor rather than a partner. BNE-HKG/MEL-HKG is mo
119 IndianicWorld : They have since signed a codeshare agreement on the route. Things may have changed. A MEL/BNE-HKG would be a possibility, but we will see what happen
120 qf002 : NRT (or HND) could be a strong possibility IMO. QF seems to make a killing off Japan, and even JL's flights are going out full in both classes most o
121 EK413 : I saw this aircraft parked on a remote stand near Hawker Pacific / Universal Aviation... Why do we continue referring to VA with the DJ code...? I wa
122 Post contains links 9MMPD : Article in this morning's West Australian Travel section indicates Etihad may start services to Perth as soon as November this year. http://au.news.ya
123 EK413 : Can PER sustain 3 middle eastern carriers with the city already served by EK, QR and now EY.... EK413
124 Bluebird191 : . It will happen, only a matter of 2 weeks or so - I was talking to one of the cabin crew on my BNE-CNS flight yesterday (was the only pax in biz cla
125 byronicle6 : What about using the A332's to resume HKT from BNE & MEL? From what i heard the route was doing well, just the 77W was the wrong aircraft for the
126 IndianicWorld : ^^ The SQ network can cater to that kind of route without having to throw it's own resources at it. HKG and NRT/HND would appear to be stronger market
127 aussie747 : This will happen sometime around as early as July as late as December when both airlines (i say both at the current time - in terms of system integra
128 Flyingsottsman : Hi EK I think it can just like us here on the East Coast, I reacon the people of Perth would prefer A direct flight rather than a 2 stop flight to Eu
129 vaustralie : Hey guys It's been a while since I posted but I've had sometime bugging me all day. At about 3:45 this afternoon a bigish plane landed at CBR . And th
130 Post contains links and images QF175 : Hi vaustralie. Middle East Airlines (MEA) A330-200 F-ORMA touched down in Canberra this afternoon View Large View MediumPhoto © Jens Breuer
131 Bluebird191 : Interesting - vastly different timeframes indicated by all over the place. I guess we'll all just wait to see when it does happen, but DJ's business
132 vaustralie : Cheers QF175 Do you know why it's here ? And for how long? I might go grab some pics tomorrow morning if it's still here!
133 EK413 : Cheers, it baffled me til now why the 2 brands still existed when the rebranding was to streamline the 2 into 1... I gave it some thought after I rai
134 IndianicWorld : I would suspect that there may well be a reduction in PER flights by Asian airlines if continued gulf carrier expansion occurs there. It's still only
135 Ben175 : Not neccessarily, SQ have announced they will go 4 x daily in winter 2012/2013, so obviously loads haven't been affected by QR starting up in July (t
136 IndianicWorld : ^^ QR are not up to daily are they yet? Adding in EY will add more pressure, as the gulf carriers fight it out. The Asian carriers have the most to lo
137 smi0006 : WIth regard to the DJ VA codes currently they operate two or three separate check-in systems (perhaps also reservations) VAI as VA is know uses Amadeu
138 Ben175 : QR goes daily from October IIRC. I think that if EY can gain feed through Virgin, all 3 gulf carriers could sustain daily flights. EK was actually pu
139 qf002 : She arrived from KUL at 3:56pm. Not sure why she's here, but can't see any departure information for tomorrow so you'll probably be in luck...
140 koruman : Some readers of this thread might be aware of the looming death of Robin Gibb, the cancer-stricken Bee Gee. What they may not know is that he spent mu
141 9MMPD : QR metal has not even touched Perth soil yet. PER has/will see some strong increases in capacity. SQ will go 4 x daily again over the peak summer/xma
142 Ben175 : I flew into PER from MEL on QF 481 last night and this was the first QF flight inbound to Perth I have been on which has announced specific internatio
143 QF175 : Virgin Australia has confirmed it will suspend its Gold Coast - Townsville E90 services from 03MAY12. As expected, there has been an uproar from the l
144 aa909 : I notice one carrier (flies a white & red livery with a kangaroo, hint hint) is conspicuously absent from the list.
145 qf002 : Maybe thats because it's irrelevant what QF is up to when discussing Middle Easter and Asian airlines? QF is still a big player out of PER, double da
146 CXfirst : I see my outbound flight in June has been changed to the 777-300. Do you know if SQ have updated the 777-300's that they'll use to Australia with the
147 Sydscott : Along with JQ twice daily to DPS and 3 a week to CGK. That Hong Kong flight should be daily though. With Adelaide being de-linked from MEL and going
148 Post contains images TruemanQLD : Shame, but never really made all that much sense anyway. At least JQ still flies OOL-CNS Yet apparently PER is underserved by QF I would probably mak
149 qf002 : Agreed. A return to NRT at some stage would also be nice, but I doubt it will happen...
150 ZuluAlpha : Maybe with Jetstar, or Jetstar Japan ?
151 qf002 : That's probably more likely than mainline... But RedQ is probably the long term plan for serving Japan from PER.
152 RyanairGuru : Ditto BNE
153 Post contains links QF175 : On the subject of Perth, Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation's (CAPA) article today on Kenya Airways makes mention that the Airline has a desire to serve
154 Boeing767-300 : Anybody in QF know why 581 is cancelled every Tuesday from May to July. 581 usually is operated by 744 VH-OJD and is normally pretty full. This would
155 Ben175 : Wow! I know it's four years down the track and things can change... but it would be great to see PER develop itself as a hub into Africa. SA does rea
156 thegeek : Speculation: Tue is a pretty low demand day. Is it usually full on a Tue, and it's return flight 582? BTW, the timetable shows that it is to be opera
157 aa909 : Seemed like more of an international PER growth topic rather than one focusing on Middle Eastern and Asian carriers (MK being neither). The point is,
158 eaglefarm4 : BNE had another good growth month with INT up 11.1% and DOM up 7.1% Total growth of 7.9% for March. Average growth for the first quarter of 2012 is 9%
159 ZKOKQ : With numbers like this, I wonder how long before we see an A380 kissing the tarmac up here.
160 ZuluAlpha : We all wait with eagerness for that to happen as an RPT service, not just as a diversion due SYD weather
161 TruemanQLD : Pity EK's claim over 4 years ago that 'A380s would begin to BNE with 18months' never came true
162 byronicle6 : It'll only be a matter of time before EK's A380's are at BNE, and a question of when, not if. Off topic, but it will be amazing to see 3x EK A380's p
163 weebie : QF de underestimated the PER market. Their strategy was always to Sydney orientated and other markets have suffered. The same might be able to say abo
164 IndianicWorld : ^^ Really? That's a pity that Perth-Nare (Columbia) isn't being taken more seriously :lol:
165 EK413 : With all the equipment and route changes the SYD-PER-SYD B744 services will cease... I can not recall the exact dates but I believe May 2012... Qanta
166 eta unknown : Agreed, not if, but when... but when can be a VERY long time. Kinda like WHEN is EY going to increase AUH-SIN-BNE to daily- yeah press release after
167 IndianicWorld : I agree. The usual PR spin will say one thing but in reality I wouldn't read too much into it until an official announcement is made, and even more s
168 IndianicWorld : I was going to start a new thread, but thought it best to ask it in here instead. What do we all feel is the future of aviation in this country? More
169 gemuser : IMHO we are going to end up effectively with a two airline economy in the Australia/New Zealand C.E.R. area, the Qantas Group and the Virgin Australi
170 skyhawkmatthew : I agree. Within Australia itself, I think we'll end up fairly close to what we had in the days of the Two-Airline policy: the two giants, QF and VA/D
171 IndianicWorld : Similar thinking to mine. I can see TT and XR becoming part of a VA/NZ group, with SQ owning a share of the airline (Ansett days revisited). QF/JQ wi
172 IndianicWorld : Same here. Rex are not really doing huge things now, and as their fleet of ageing Saabs will need replacing soon, its even harder to see them go it a
173 RyanairGuru : In terms of 30 seaters I'm not sure that they could replace it with anything. Does BBD still produce the DH8-200? Otherwise it would have to be the 3
174 skyhawkmatthew : IIRC the Dash 8-300 isn't being produced any more either. I agree that many of their markets can't support anything bigger than the Saab/8-200 - so I
175 IndianicWorld : Another thing that really has me interested is what people feel will happen to AVV? With MEL's planned major domestic terminal expansion, JQ's schedul
176 Post contains images skyhawkmatthew : I think AVV will die off in the next few years. It was initially established as Jetstar's only Melbourne airport as Qantas didn't want to cannibalise
177 IndianicWorld : I fear the same. The next few years could be a big challenge for them. Semi true. They utilised both MEL and AVV, with AVV used for routes that alrea
178 skyhawkmatthew : I can see limited service remaining at AVV as it stands now - similar to NTL - but due to its greater proximity to MEL it misses out on the other reg
179 IndianicWorld : Good example. It will always be in the shadow of MEL, but the sad part is if it was in the South-East it would likely have had a very big future. The
180 Post contains links QF175 : Qld intrastate travel booming Source Make no wonder the likes of Virgin Australia has added significant capacity (via Alliance Airlines and ATRs) on i
181 ZuluAlpha : And I'm also going to add RMA into the equation. Like everything in Queensland, with the mining boom up the road in Injune, RMA has up to six flights
182 qf002 : This coincides with the switch back to A330's on this flight -- ongoing A333 maintenance is probably the culprit. This is also effecting other flight
183 skyhawkmatthew : My money's on VA buying Rex before too long - there's basically no overlap between their current networks, they already have various agreements betwe
184 VH-BZF : I've heard that Qantas are getting another A330-200 for domestic ops in November this year? This would be a welcome addition to their capacity if corr
185 NZ107 : Flightradar24 shows DL16 doing some funny pattern off the East Coast... Any info?[Edited 2012-04-19 17:37:13]
186 Post contains links Boof : TT have announced a return to the MEL-HBA route today with double daily services re commencing on the 1st of November. Flights are available to be boo
187 Post contains images RyanairGuru : I thinks that's the problem. A quick play-around with Google Maps tells me that if MEL was in Chadstone then the drive from Geelong would be longer t
188 IndianicWorld : Certainly great news to see them returning on this route. 2X daily seems like a gamble though, but it will likely just be seasonal at that level and
189 Boof : I couldn't agree more with this. JQ & VA have had increases in the base fares out of HBA since TT left, it'll be interesting what a double daily
190 IndianicWorld : With the amount of seats that will be added, the yields will likely be an issue. Will be interesting to see. Thanks for that. Interesting. From a pur
191 747m8te : No TT started their ops in MEL, opened up AVV as T4 at MEL was near capacity. AVV was cancelled by TT after the long groundings. Correct JQ used both
192 Post contains links IndianicWorld : http://www.theage.com.au/business/ch...-up-in-the-air-20120420-1xc13.html Cheaper fares up in the air April 20, 2012 - 4:07PM While Qantas and Virgin
193 Post contains links and images QF175 : Australian Aviation Thread # 61 Thanks for everyones' contributions throughout thread # 60
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