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Report: 200 Bag Thefts A Day At JFK  
User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3421 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9160 times:

Local CBS tv station is reporting that 200 bags a day are stolen by airport/airline employees.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/03/...aggage-scandal-200-thefts-per-day/

That's basically one 737/320 a day full of bags. How is that possible?


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16861 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8995 times:

I forget the exact numbers, but there is also a ridiculous amount of car thefts at the area airports. If your a criminal in the area where would you go? Lot's of unattended cars for days on end, and lots of luggage stuffed with gifts etc..


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User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5133 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8987 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
also a ridiculous amount of car thefts at the area airports. If your a criminal in the area where would you go? Lot's of unattended cars for days on end, and lots of luggage stuffed with gifts etc..

But cars are unattended outside, while bags should be inside, protected. This means employees steal bags?? Dont they have cameras everywhere?


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8491 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8947 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 2):
This means employees steal bags?? Dont they have cameras everywhere?

Correct. The truth is, there should be federal marshals stationed airside to catch criminal behavior at such a sensitive facility. They would have plenty to do.


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8913 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 2):
But cars are unattended outside, while bags should be inside, protected.

Exactly. There's a difference between having something stolen by a thug in a parking lot and an employee paid to handle the property they're stealing.

I'm curious, how do they get the baggage out after their shift? It must look awful suspicious watching baggage handlers leaving work with baggage still in their hands!



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 605 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8866 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 4):

I know that at GRU airport months ago dozens were arrested by the federal police cause they used to do the following:

1- Get random bags from international flights and x-ray them, if they saw something cool they'd drop on the national flights belt in instead of the intl one
2- obviously the bag would be there rolling alone on the carousel
3- the airline employee would get the bag and state it was a rush bag
4- the employee used to bring the bag until the airline LL department, steal and then manifest the bag as "lost" or "forgotten".


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8693 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
I forget the exact numbers, but there is also a ridiculous amount of car thefts at the area airports. If your a criminal in the area where would you go? Lot's of unattended cars for days on end, and lots of luggage stuffed with gifts etc..

Slightly off topic, but this is one reason why I remove my garage door opener and anything in my glove box that contains my address (ie. car registration) before leaving my car in the parking lot. A thief could steal the car and then have easy access to your home. In essence, they could rob you twice.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 4):
I'm curious, how do they get the baggage out after their shift? It must look awful suspicious watching baggage handlers leaving work with baggage still in their hands!

Several years ago there was an undercover news story about baggage thefts by AA employees in MIA. Based on the footage, it appeared that employees entered and exited the facility with little oversight.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16861 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8559 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 5):

1- Get random bags from international flights and x-ray them, if they saw something cool they'd drop on the national flights belt in instead of the intl one
2- obviously the bag would be there rolling alone on the carousel
3- the airline employee would get the bag and state it was a rush bag
4- the employee used to bring the bag until the airline LL department, steal and then manifest the bag as "lost" or "forgotten".



I think this is probably the scam that dirty employees are running all over the world, including JFK. Put the bags on the wrong carousel and have your boys pick them up.



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User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2434 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8338 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 6):
Slightly off topic, but this is one reason why I remove my garage door opener and anything in my glove box that contains my address (ie. car registration) before leaving my car in the parking lot. A thief could steal the car and then have easy access to your home. In essence, they could rob you twice.

That is also the reason it is not a good idea to have your GPS programmed to "Home". Your GPS will take the car thief directly to your house, then he opens the garage door with your opener. Couldn't make it any easier for them. I know of someone who had their car stolen from a church parking lot. The thief knew he had at least an hour to get to the home, and get out.



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8295 times:

I know that here at ATL there has been problems with luggage theft from the baggage claims because there isn't anyone checking bags as people walk out of the baggage claim area (the same is true at most airports and makes it easier for crimes of opportunity). They run stings all of the time and catch thieves either walking out of the terminal with a bag or catch them n one of the bathrooms in the terminal going through a stolen bag and taking out anything of value.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/lugga...tolen-from-airport-carousel/nDKR2/

Maybe the airlines should spend some of that ancillary revenue generated by checked baggage fees to put more employees in the baggage claim area to check bags against claim checks.


User currently offline707lvr From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 583 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8227 times:

This is an insane statistic. If true, how many people do the Port Police employ simply to take the reports? Are those reports ever reviewed? Do you suppose people reviewing the reports notice a trend, like the fact that a lot of luggage is being stolen? Lastly, did anyone ever suggest maybe doing something about it?

User currently offlineflybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7860 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 3):
Correct. The truth is, there should be federal marshals stationed airside to catch criminal behavior at such a sensitive facility. They would have plenty to do.

The U.S. government doesn't care what happens to your bag once it comes off the airplane, only what's in it when the bag goes on an airplane. This is simply an airline/insurance issue.



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User currently offlinemachnumber From Greenland, joined Jul 2011, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7426 times:

Im not surprised at all. The TSA people stole several items several times from my luggage in the last 3-4 years.

TSA is all show. Figure who you trust checking your bags.


User currently offlineAv8rDAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6983 times:

Quoting flybyguy (Reply 11):
The U.S. government doesn't care what happens to your bag once it comes off the airplane, only what's in it when the bag goes on an airplane. This is simply an airline/insurance issue.

Absolutely.

Quoting machnumber (Reply 12):
Im not surprised at all. The TSA people stole several items several times from my luggage in the last 3-4 years.

TSA is all show. Figure who you trust checking your bags.

I have never had anything stolen (yet), but I have had plenty of little "gotcha!" flyers from the TSA stuffed into my checked bags over the last 10 years. My personal policy is if it is valuable enough to steal, it goes into my carry-on and my carry-on does NOT leave my sight - especially when being dump-searched by TSA.

The only thing the TSA will find in my checked bag is usually dirty clothes, some half-used toiletries, and a few chargers for the laptop, etc.

Pack light, people.



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User currently offlinenycdave From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6780 times:

Um, folks, READ the piece. It's not 200 *BAGS* stolen per day... it's 200 *thefts* from bags per day (maybe someone should change the thread title?). All the examples given in the article are of a bag being opened, and valuables removed... which is a bit different than theft of an entire bag (which I'm sure also does happen).

User currently offlinepliersinsight From United States of America, joined May 2008, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6013 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 6):
Slightly off topic, but this is one reason why I remove my garage door opener and anything in my glove box that contains my address (ie. car registration) before leaving my car in the parking lot. A thief could steal the car and then have easy access to your home. In essence, they could rob you twice.
Quoting CitationJet (Reply 8):
That is also the reason it is not a good idea to have your GPS programmed to "Home". Your GPS will take the car thief directly to your house, then he opens the garage door with your opener. Couldn't make it any easier for them. I know of someone who had their car stolen from a church parking lot. The thief knew he had at least an hour to get to the home, and get out.

Unless you are a bit crazy and put in the next door neighbor you don't like's address as your home, so the functionality of the "take me home" selection on my built in GPS is not degraded by my love of increased security and poor scruples.


User currently offlineredzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 572 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5824 times:

Only once in my life have I ever been asked to show my claim check at baggage claim. That was at DME in 2001. Most of the time I can't even remember where I put it, although since needing it recently when I was re-routed I've tried to get better at putting it in a consistent place in my carry-on.


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User currently offlineMark2Fly1034 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5679 times:

I don't put anything important in my checked bag. I always take a bookbag with me that has my laptop and other items I would like to not be stolen from me. As a college kid the only think I put in my bag for weekend trips home are dirty clothes. So if someone wants to steal that they better at least clean them...

User currently offlinepwm2txlhopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1324 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5555 times:

I had one presumably stolen there back in 2009. It was a nightmare experience for me as I was moving to Berlin, Germany, and I was transferring from a B6 flight onto Air Berlin! The bag lost had the most important things I needed to get settled and start working the next morning in a new country! Including, brand new clothes and thousands of dollars worth miscellaneous things I really needed to arrive with!

When I first arrived at JFK to find the bag didn't make it, B6 located the bag at my originating station. It was suppose to be flown on the next flight to JFK and then Fedex'd to me in Berlin, because my flight to Germany was leaving before the bag would arrive. Well, after my arrival at TXL the next morning, a quick call to B6 revealed the bag had gone missing! It wasn't at PWM any longer, and, it wasn't accounted for a JFK, either! In fact, it was never found! After three months, it was deemed lost. Trying to argue a settlement with B6 from overseas took three months and countess long distance calls. In the end, they only ever reimbursed me for 1/3 of the value of all my items that were lost/stolen while in their possession! I either had no receipts to prove the value of the items lost, or, they were items that were NOT covered in case of loss! (Electronics, perishables, medication, etc.) Oh, and I got a generic letter of apology and a $150 voucher for my next flight! It was like Gee, thanks! That really made up for the headache I had to endure!

About three months later, I read a USA Today story about bag thefts at JFK. I've always theorized that when my bag arrived inbound to JFK, instead of being pulled aside, it was put on the baggage claim carousel. After passengers began to clear, I always suspected somebody came in off the street to steal unattended bags and that's what probably happened to mine? Perhaps it could have been an inside job by airline employees or TSA? I'll never know!


User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5312 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 2):
This means employees steal bags?? Dont they have cameras everywhere?

They don't have camera in the cargo holds of aircraft or on the tugs that move luggage on the ramp. But if they did have cameras, the cameras would be stolen too, and at PHL, the wiring that goes to them. And I'm not picking on baggage handlers alone - this happens at package sort facilities all over the world, too. Besides, the unions for the handlers would never, ever allow such a thing as camera surveillance!! My 11 years working in QVC's fraud control/asset protection department was a complete education in the ways of the criminal world!   

[Edited 2012-03-28 21:12:38]


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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8491 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5171 times:

I liked the story about the guy whose iPhone was stolen out of his luggage. He tracked it down to the airline employee / TSA guy's house who stole it. It would be fun to take about a $2000 chunk out of the fellow's car or home. If they take your property, why not repay yourself with their property.

User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3572 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4970 times:

The question is who runs baggage handling at JFK ? Is it the airlines/port authority or the employees/unions.

Many years ago at LHR the baggage handlers and their union were firmly in control and the newspapers referred to the airport as "Thiefrow" It was only with the government generally cracking down on unions abusing their powers that things improved.


User currently offlinedeltadudejg From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4554 times:

Working at Tampa Airport myself, I have seen other airline employee's cuffed and placed into the back of police cars because they had stolen from luggage. I myself handle baggage for our daily British 777 flight to Gatwick. We have to meet the exact number of bags checked in to the total count on the bagroom master sheet. If the numbers don't match we have to hunt down the bags. Given Tampa doesn't have as many international flights but we have some sort of control on bags being lost. The bagroom that I work in though has no cameras, which raises question as to how many other airports lack proper supervision.


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User currently offlineRatypus From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4322 times:

I don't think I have ever put anything in checked luggage to tempt a thief - my own clothes, toiletries, maybe an electric shaver or a guidebook....everything else (cash, laptop, ipod, camera) stays with me in hand luggage.

Never had a bag go missing or be tampered with (or perhaps they have been, but nothing has ever been taken!).


User currently offlinechuchoteur From France, joined Sep 2006, 763 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3565 times:

I always get people looking annoyed when I wait for my stuff to go through the X-ray machine before I walk through the metal detector.

a) My wallet has once come out the other end without the cash inside.
b) I got pulled over for a bag search and while supervising the agent going through my bag, the guy behind me picked up his laptop, then my laptop, and tried to walk away.

My stuff never leaves my sight, and if it annoys other people, so be it!
I go through airport checkpoints a hundred times or so a year, I don't need to have stuff stolen as well.


25 planesavvy : Virgin Atlantic was spending so much money on claims from thefts from bags out of Johannesburg that they decided to pay for every passenger's bag to b
26 Post contains images nycdave : Once again... THIS ARTICLE IS NOT ABOUT THEFT OF BAGS IT IS ABOUT THEFT OF ITEMS FROM BAGS. Thank you for your reading comprehension
27 mayor : JFK or LGA are probably not the only places this happens, just the worst. I got hired by DL in '71 at ORD because 7 employees had just been fired for
28 connector4you : I had a labeled "fragile" item not showing out of DL's carousel at JFK only a few years back. Needless to say I never heard back from DL even after l
29 irshava : I find it hard to believe that theft at JFK can be conducted with ease. If anyone has noticed, on the way to T1, One building alone has about 15 camer
30 GUYAIR707 : When North American used to fly JFK-GEO I lost stuff. I made a claim at JFK and never heard from them. I find it unbelievable that in this post 9/11 e
31 RyanairGuru : In January I flew BA/AA LHR-MIA-UIO. This was part of a round the world trip that took me to Hong Kong, UK and South America. In Hong Kong I had take
32 mayor : IIRC, they used to do it all the time at ORD......at least at DL baggage claim.......this was in the 70s and 80s......I thought it was odd when they
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