steex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1423 posts, RR: 9 Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10277 times:
DL does not serve LAX with the MD-88. It does see MD-90 service on the schedule at times, generally to SLC.
TOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6172 posts, RR: 9 Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10248 times:
Occasionally it will sub ATL-LAX once in a very blue moon
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rbgso From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 575 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9836 times:
Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 2): Occasionally it will sub ATL-LAX once in a very blue moon
Can an MD88, or even an MD90, make it ATL-LAX against prevailing winds?
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6512 posts, RR: 11 Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9824 times:
Last time I can recall an 88 at LAX was around Nov/Dec timeframe. A 738 was scheduled to LAX from MSP on the 5-something departure but was delayed downline for whatever reason so they subbed in a 90 and coincidentally that ship went mech. They finally subbed an 88 for that a/c. Flight departed about 4hrs late.
As for ATL-LAX; havent seen one of those in probably 2 years if not more. The a/c did an ATL-LAX-ATL-DEN routing for like a week for whatever reason.
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catiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 2274 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9732 times:
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 4): As for ATL-LAX; havent seen one of those in probably 2 years if not more. The a/c did an ATL-LAX-ATL-DEN routing for like a week for whatever reason.
Does it take a weight penalty, or make an enroute fuel stop?
United_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7157 posts, RR: 8 Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9701 times:
It's funny how in one part of the country , say DL MD88's an FL 717's are common-place,like where I live. But in another part,a DL MD88 is a rarity. Like an MD-90 would be here in ROC.
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TOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6172 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9657 times:
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 4): As for ATL-LAX; havent seen one of those in probably 2 years if not more. The a/c did an ATL-LAX-ATL-DEN routing for like a week for whatever reason.
This was back sometime in 2009. I had to take a weight penalty I'm sure.
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flyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1855 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9603 times:
I remember flying STL-PDX on TWA MD-80s...I think that was around 3:20/4:00 depending ont he direction- but That is a good bit shorter than ATL-LAX... I (unlike many) have always found the MD-80 very comfortable for long flights as both a passenger and flight attendant.
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steex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1423 posts, RR: 9 Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9583 times:
Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 8): I remember flying STL-PDX on TWA MD-80s...I think that was around 3:20/4:00 depending ont he direction- but That is a good bit shorter than ATL-LAX... I (unlike many) have always found the MD-80 very comfortable for long flights as both a passenger and flight attendant.
It's also very likely that flight would've been on a TW MD-83, which has greater range than an MD-88 (or TW's MD-81/82). This is the same reason that AA continued using those birds for west coast service from STL/ORD for some time, with ORD flights only changing over to the new 738s as they came online over the last few years.
Newark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1172 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9570 times:
DL has sent MD-90s to LAX from MSP recently, I think. Haven't seen one personally in a while though.
flyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1855 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9572 times:
Yes this is a good point- I guess I've never really understood the differences between at the MD varriants (outside the 87/90 and size) Do the MD-83s just have bigger fuel tanks? Do they all have the same engines?
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steex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1423 posts, RR: 9 Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9506 times:
Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 11): Yes this is a good point- I guess I've never really understood the differences between at the MD varriants (outside the 87/90 and size) Do the MD-83s just have bigger fuel tanks? Do they all have the same engines?
They all have the same engines (though not all at the same thrust rating), but are certified to different MTOW and have different fuel capacities. I believe the MD-83 could hold nearly 4,000 L (1,000+ gallons) more fuel than the MD-82. Ostensibly, the MD-88 is mechanically identical to an MD-82 aside from some differences in avionics.
727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5717 posts, RR: 20 Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9502 times:
IIRC, western part of country, LAX, SFO, RNO, SEA, etc.........would see DL MD80s from the DFW hub.
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8770 posts, RR: 13 Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9063 times:
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 13): IIRC, western part of country, LAX, SFO, RNO, SEA, etc.........would see DL MD80s from the DFW hub.
Back in the days of DFW, the -88s tended to stay on the East Coast - primarily out of ATL/CVG with some NYC/BOS and some DFW flights back East; the -90s were the ones that went DFW-West; it was you'd never see an -88 on the West Coast and a -90 on the East Coast for the longest time.
e38 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 231 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8537 times:
Except for aircraft substitutions and/or irregular operations, the policy of Delta's network and scheduling development division is to NOT use the MD-88s to Denver and cities west of the Rocky Mountains.
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6512 posts, RR: 11 Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8060 times:
No enroute fuel stop but as Tommy pointed it; it did take a weight penalty. Y capacity was reduced from what I remember. Do the same thing for the weekly flight to STX on the 88 thats just over 1600 miles.
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RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2159 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7871 times:
Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 8): I remember flying STL-PDX on TWA MD-80s...I think that was around 3:20/4:00 depending ont he direction- but That is a good bit shorter than ATL-LAX... I (unlike many) have always found the MD-80 very comfortable for long flights as both a passenger and flight attendant
Quoting steex (Reply 9): Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 8):I remember flying STL-PDX on TWA MD-80s...I think that was around 3:20/4:00 depending ont he direction- but That is a good bit shorter than ATL-LAX... I (unlike many) have always found the MD-80 very comfortable for long flights as both a passenger and flight attendant.
It's also very likely that flight would've been on a TW MD-83, which has greater range than an MD-88 (or TW's MD-81/82). This is the same reason that AA continued using those birds for west coast service from STL/ORD for some time, with ORD flights only changing over to the new 738s as they came online over the last few years
The later n/s from STL to PDX continued on to ANC seasonally, and was an overwater equipped M83, this from my buddy that worked for TW at PDX. But at one time PDX was M80 country with AA flying to both DFW and ORD, CO to IAH, TW to STL or routed SEA-STL, all of these flights were 4+ hours most of the time, especially with winds.
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DeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8577 posts, RR: 8 Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7871 times:
deltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1589 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7601 times:
Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 15): Back in the days of DFW, the -88s tended to stay on the East Coast - primarily out of ATL/CVG with some NYC/BOS and some DFW flights back East; the -90s were the ones that went DFW-West; it was you'd never see an -88 on the West Coast and a -90 on the East Coast for the longest time
Actually 727Lover is correct on his statement of the destinations served by Deltas MD-88s out west. Not sure what your back in the day is defined as but from the 1980s through 90s the DFW hub was a heavy MD-88 base with flights to all the west coast cities 727Lover cited. In addition to his list also include SJC, OAK, SMF, SAN, PHX, etc. Of course these flights went on to the east coast from DFW as well. Delta was a lot smaller then and it was interesting to go to OAK and SJC and see the tolken MD-88 flight to DFW and 737-200 flight to SLC everyday (Atlanta was not served).
laca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3746 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6961 times:
As far as I've ever seen, DL hasn't flown the M88s into LAX or any other LA area airport (perhaps if it has been flown into LAX, was it a charter?). I do know DL has sent the M88 into PHX and TUS.
Now we have seen more M90s service, though from LAX less so. When DL had the DFW hub, they flew 1-2 of their daily flights with the M90s and over the past several years, the M90 would show up now and then on the SLC-LAX route. SNA saw the M90 frequently compared to other markets.
Now that MSP is a regular base for the M90s, perhaps we'll see DL use the M90 on occasion on MSP-LAX as a sub., otherwise this particular markets is the 757/753 territory along with the A320/73H/763 here and there.
If DL were to add more mainline from ONT, the M90 would be a good a/c for MSP-ONT.
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6512 posts, RR: 11 Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6734 times:
As stated above, LAX has seen the 88 in the not so distant past and scheduled at that. The 90s aren't new fom MSP. You're just not going to see them this time of year. Just look at MSP-RSW; all 175/MD90 some weeks back but now all 757. MSP-LAS saw at least 2 daily 90s but is now all 757/32X/737.
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FX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 5 Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6639 times:
Quoting laca773 (Reply 21): As far as I've ever seen, DL hasn't flown the M88s into LAX or any other LA area airport (perhaps if it has been flown into LAX, was it a charter?).
Do you really mean ever? DL used to fly the MD88 into ONT years ago and I definitely remember seeing them at LAX.
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6080 posts, RR: 56 Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6106 times:
Quoting FX1816 (Reply 23): Do you really mean ever? DL used to fly the MD88 into ONT years ago and I definitely remember seeing them at LAX.
DL did not schedule MD-88s to LAX at all before except for an occasional day or so. I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen MD-88s at LAX in the last 17 years.
DL did use them to ONT for quite a while and I'm not sure of SNA or BUR.
MD-90s are currently scheduled MSP-LAX.
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25 brettdespain: Not with any useful load of passengers. I don't recall that Delta has ever done it. The MD-90 just doesn't have the range for that route. However, I
26 laca773: I mean close to never. I didn't think the M88s were capable of flying the distance ATL-LAX. If anything, I think you have seen the M90s out of LAX an
27 jayspilot: I think there is confusion with several people about the actual type of equipment used on certain routes. Here is what I can add to the discussion. Pr
28 TOMMY767: I thought the 733s out of SLC were from Western Airlines? Plus I think they did ATL-ABE circa 2000
29 B4REAL: Didn't they take the entire MD-90 fleet offline at that time, meaning a lot of MD-88s filled in? I think that's why they did.
30 United1: The Western Airlines ones has the old style "steam cockpit" for lack of a better term the ones that came from the German airline had a glass cockpit
31 TOMMY767: I think the M90s were just scattered around the system. This was before the migration to MSP for the 90s. Ah gotcha. Yeah those things were pretty ol
32 phllax: Ranges of MD Variants 81- 1,565 miles -147.10 length, 107.102 wingspan, 29.7 height for these 4 models 82 - 2,050 miles 83 - 2,504 miles 88 - 2,050 m
33 FlyASAGuy2005: Trust me. They have. Tommy has the time frame right too. It was during 2009. They were flying 88s ATL-LAX on the last departure and same to DEN for a
34 TOMMY767: My only M81 was on US from LGA-MCO in 1999. Even then, it seemed old. In the time since I've flown DL's M88, AA's 82/83, and CO's M82s. Of those AA's
35 AWACSooner: The longest M88 route I can think of from ATL is ATL-ELP
36 jfklganyc: Am I crazy or did AA sub in an MD83 SJC-JFK westbound right before the demise of the route? Speaking of long MD80 flights!
37 steex: Can't tell if you were trying to give examples of routes that make ATL-LAX and JFK-LAX look like child's play, but JFK-PDX/SEA are both slightly shor
39 FlyASAGuy2005: Longest scheduled right now is actualy ATL-STX
40 The777Man: Not sure if it was ATL-ONT or DFW-ONT. The777Man
41 brettdespain: This is not correct. You are thinking of the 737-347's that were ex-Western Airlines birds. Only crews based in SLC and DFW flew the -347's, mainly i
42 brettdespain: Here's the timeline on the MD-90 at Delta: 1995 first deliveries of the MD-90 began arriving at Delta 1995-2005 MD-90's crewed only out of the DFW ba
43 milesrich: While Delta did not schedule the MD-88 out of SLC, it was used in regularly scheduled service in and out of Denver to Atlanta. Since the NW merger, a
44 RobertS975: The problem with the MD88 and DL's usage in the western USA can be summed up by one issue: the SLC hub. The MD88 has issues with one engine climb-out
46 RobertS975: The single engine climb gradient issue out of SLC for the MD88 has been a pain the butt for DL for many years. The airline had over 100 MD88s and SLC
47 TrijetsRMissed: The fleet of MD-90s could only be considered expensive due to economies of scale. That problem is solved with the recent secondhand acquisitions. But
48 747fan: Interesting, I knew they had performance issues out of there. Although AA seems to do fine flying their MD-82's/-83's out of SLC to DFW. They've also
49 RobertS975: You raise an interesting point for which I have no answer. Maybe AA had significant weight restrictions ex-SLC. I know that CO used to keep 20+ seats
50 RWA380: By no means a short route, AA has used their M80's to SEA & PDX forever, still do, 4+ hours to either DFW or ORD, I've flown AA on those routes f
51 DeltaL1011man: While i agree, it does work out fairly well keeping the MD80s pretty much on the east cost. Kind of like AA's old idea of keeping M80s out of MIA and
52 RWA380: I thought that too when I read this thread, does the 717 do well with elevation and colder weather, I know HA likes theirs enough to have bought a fe
53 Goldenshield: I remember flying MD-88s ONT-DFW all of the time. Occasionally a 727 as well.
54 RobertS975: Back in the day, I regularly flew TUS-DEN-BOS on CO MD80s. And during the warmer summer days, just about anything above 85F, there were passenger lim
55 josekmlb: Think AAY has some 80's out of KLAX right?[Edited 2012-04-02 22:06:18]
56 TrijetsRMissed: TW did JFK-PHX with MD-83s, circa 2000. A respectable distance for the Mad Dog.
57 delta2ual: I believe we flew MD88's from DFW to PHX/TUS/ABQ as well.
58 1337Delta764: As far as I know, ABQ didn't get any MD-88s until the fall of 2005. I know prior to 2005 ABQ was primarily 738/752 on ATL-ABQ and CVG-ABQ, and DFW wa
59 brettdespain: Actually there are, to the south over FFU VOR. I have flown the MD-88 between SLC and DFW several times, and AA does it daily with their MD-82's. You
60 RobertS975: Glad to have your expertise and first hand knowledge on this matter... I have no idea what the SE climb gradient for the MD88 actually is, but the SL
61 Jackbr: Off topic I know, but roughly how many of the MD-88s have been reconfigured in the new layout (the one with the removed galley)
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