HPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3701 posts, RR: 8 Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 30684 times:
How would you not see, let alone hear a plane coming in to land? Very strange incident.
Its africa. Having lived in africa 30 years, I can assure you ive seen lots of weird stuff on airfields. Wildlife is hard to keep out. Climbing people even more so.
I fly out if EGSQ airfield which has a footpath running across the middle of the runway, pedestrians have the right of way. The amount of people who are completly oblivious to an aircraft on final is shocking.
If you add some of the conditions I see at African airfields on tv, I can see how this could happen.
BlueJuice From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 205 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 30476 times:
Mr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 767 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 29710 times:
I operated into a strip in Zambia that had people forever crossing it. This was to the point that if you waited for the strip to be clear, you would be waiting all day. We would takeoff and land and people would still be running across. I never got close to collecting one but with the locals the way the often are, I can totally see how it happens.
Gingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 855 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 27434 times:
Quoting EGSUcrew (Reply 8): Nope! But the pilot just has to be aware and ready to go around at any moment.
That is something that should be looked at in some depth. In this country of all places obsessed with health and safety, that just seems like a death/accident waiting to happen.
that aircraft is landing on the town's principal street, and we all know that if someone crosses at that moment, there is no way to stop a plane just after touch down (BTW talk about bush pilots) there seem to be not even enough space to make a go after the touch. Dangerous for the pedestrians, for the crew and the craft.
MountainFlyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 378 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 26726 times:
Quoting EGSUcrew (Reply 8): Nope! But the pilot just has to be aware and ready to go around at any moment.
Without knowing the exact details it's hard to know, but it is quite possible he was already on the ground with a clear runway and she wasn't looking and ran across. In that case, it may have been impossible for him to go around.
Thrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2674 posts, RR: 11 Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 26484 times:
Look both ways before you cross the runway I guess..what were these people doing on a runway to begin with?
MountainFlyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 378 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 24772 times:
Quoting Thrust (Reply 12): what were these people doing on a runway to begin with?
In many countries around the world, it is quite normal for people to be on the runway at the smaller, more rural airports. That's if the "airport" is even an airport at all and not just a good section of road or an empty field near a school or a house or what have you. I've seen pictures of some "runways" that double as a kids soccer field. If a pilot wants to land, he makes a low pass first, which the locals know means to clear the way because he wants to land.
If you look at the chart EGSUcrew posted in reply 8, there is actually a published pedestrian path across this runway at the particular airport in question.
Eltomzo From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 61 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 20619 times:
Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 2): Its africa. Having lived in africa 30 years, I can assure you ive seen lots of weird stuff on airfields. Wildlife is hard to keep out. Climbing people even more so.
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EGSUcrew From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 82 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 19095 times:
Quoting MountainFlyer (Reply 11): Without knowing the exact details it's hard to know, but it is quite possible he was already on the ground with a clear runway and she wasn't looking and ran across. In that case, it may have been impossible for him to go around.
Yeah I wasn't making any accusations towards the pilot, I was just saying that's the drill at Clacton.
Quoting Gingersnap (Reply 9): That is something that should be looked at in some depth. In this country of all places obsessed with health and safety, that just seems like a death/accident waiting to happen.
Well it's only a small airfield and all visiting pilots are required to PPR and have a brief, I think everyone (pedestrians included) have become used to the situation. It just doesn't always stop them standing on the path taking pictures whilst you're on a half mile final...
757gb From Uruguay, joined Feb 2009, 645 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 15718 times:
To be hit by a car... not likely but possible.
To be hit by a bus... less likely, still possible
To be hit by a train... very unlikely unless you are looking for it
To be hit by a landing plane... that's what I call having a really bad day
BTW, I certainly mean no disrespect and I'm not trying to make it sound funny in any way... it is horrible. It just boggles my mind when I think of it that way.
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frmrCapCadet From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1510 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 13230 times:
We unfortunately have frequent RR pedestrian incidents in our US town and state. Sometimes MP-3 players are involved, but not always. It is surprisingly difficult for a person in a noisy environment to notice and intuit what direction the noise is coming from.
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yvphx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 228 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 12091 times:
I think the most interesting part of this story is at the end of the article. It says:
- Were you there? Send us your eyewitness accounts and photos.
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11738 posts, RR: 51 Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 11993 times:
Quoting EGSUcrew (Reply 3): I fly out if EGSQ airfield which has a footpath running across the middle of the runway, pedestrians have the right of way. The amount of people who are completly oblivious to an aircraft on final is shocking.
Quoting Superfly (Reply 7): That's crazy. The airplane can't just stop.
Quoting EGSUcrew (Reply 8): Nope! But the pilot just has to be aware and ready to go around at any moment.
There comes a point during landing where on the runway you don't have enough airspeed to go around, yet still to much speed to be able to stop. It is simple physics. So giving pedestrians, vehicles, livestock, etc. right of way over the airplane is just stupid.
ChazPilot From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 62 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7199 times:
yvphx, you beat me to the punch on that one! Seriously - eyewitness photos? I think this is disturbingly clear enough without pics, IMHO.
25 ATCtower: While I will say 'sad', this seems like a great candidate for the Darwin award... Africa or not, the common sense/intelligence required to not stand i
26 Glom: That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Aside from the obvious safety issue, it is a recipe for needless pollution. When a conflict arises, a
27 HPRamper: While amusing, I think that's a stock statement, on every story that the publication writes up. Not specific to this story.
28 EGSUcrew: Let me clear a few things up! At Clacton, if a pedestrian had entered the airfield, the aircraft MUST go around/hold short (but then this is no differ
29 Flaps: A Mooney approaching touchdown makes very little noise aside from the chirp of the tires on landing. What little sound it does make is primarily behin
30 DTWPurserBoy: We had a ground agent a few years ago at EWR who became distracted and accidentally walked into a running engine on a SAAB340. Passengers, pilots and
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