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SAS Returns To TLV  
User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3632 times:

SAS will return to TLV after a hiatus of nearly 10 years. Service starts on June 4, 2012 with a weekly flight, which will eventually increase to three flights a week by October. SK will operate either an A319 or A321 on flights between CPH and TLV.

http://se.yhp.waymaker.net/sasgroup/release.asp?id=246856

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User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3552 times:

Good news. Israel is becoming a bigger vacation destination for Europeans, and I imagine this flight will cater mostly to that and not to North American connections.

Quoting IAD380 (Thread starter):
SK will operate either an A319 or A321 on flights between CPH and TLV.

With a weekly flight, do they deadhead crews to fly the return flight? Or does one crew fly both legs? If so, isn't that pushing their duty hours?


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25090 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3003 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 1):
Quoting IAD380 (Thread starter):
SK will operate either an A319 or A321 on flights between CPH and TLV.

With a weekly flight, do they deadhead crews to fly the return flight? Or does one crew fly both legs? If so, isn't that pushing their duty hours?

It's only 10 hours round trip, 1698 nm each way, slightly shorter than LAX-DTW. I expect the same crew will operate the round trip. AC has several routes a few hundred miles longer than CPH-TLV where the same crew does the round trip. One example YYZ-SJO (2030 nm), leaves YYZ 0935 and gets back at 2110, with a 1-hour turnaround at SJO.


User currently offlinewindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2330 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2708 times:

Cimber was quite successful I believe!
And there is an increased demand!

I am curious to know more about pricing!

But it's great to have a direct connection!

Boaz



"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
User currently offlinejrn216 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2012, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2617 times:

What market do these flights cater for? It would appear mainly leisure based looking at the frequency, but I expect there may be some business interest? I don’t imagine there would be any significant VFR traffic, at least none which isn’t already served well by transferring through other European hubs.

User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2582 times:

Did SK serve TLV with snowflake or was it mainline SK flights?
The outbound crew could operate the return. BD crew operate LHR- DAM back to back



Happy -go- lucky kinda guy!
User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2161 times:

Quoting raffik (Reply 5):
Did SK serve TLV with snowflake or was it mainline SK flights?



From the 1950s until 2001, SK served TLV with scheduled service. For a short time in the early 1950s, TLV was a stopover on a weekly flight to the Far East. Until 1967, SK flew to TLV through DUS, VIE, and either ATH or IST once, or sometimes twice a week. Starting in 1968, it flew a weekly nonstop to TLV on a DC-8. Later, it down-gauged to a smaller aircraft. Around the time of the Oslo Accords, SK offered a daily flight between CPH and TLV. It suspended flights to TLV during the second intifada. I am not aware if SK ever offered chartered or LCC flights to TLV.


User currently offlinekevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1717 times:

Quoting jrn216 (Reply 4):
What market do these flights cater for? It would appear mainly leisure based looking at the frequency, but I expect there may be some business interest? I don’t imagine there would be any significant VFR traffic, at least none which isn’t already served well by transferring through other European hubs.

I think you're right that it's mainly to cater for the leisure markets ex Scandinavia; three times weekly is not too business-friendly (neither is a narrowbody with no Y+, J or F, when many other airlines offer this on Europe-TLV); however, with STAR partners you could offer the frequency (e.g. SK out nonstop and home via FRA if home on a day SK doesn't fly). 20 years ago or so Israel was together with the Canary Islands in all winter travel catalogues, and this completely vanished with all the unrest downthere. Now it is slowly coming back, and Israel still has a pleasant winter climate, so I think that SK is definitely betting on getting customers to go there rather than the Canary Islands, Cyprus or Dubai for their next winter break. There is also an increasing incoming market from Israel to Scandinavia; however, this is small numbers. VFR between Scandinavia and Israel is small, not least compared to for instance UK or Benelux.

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 6):
From the 1950s until 2001, SK served TLV with scheduled service. For a short time in the early 1950s, TLV was a stopover on a weekly flight to the Far East. Until 1967, SK flew to TLV through DUS, VIE, and either ATH or IST once, or sometimes twice a week. Starting in 1968, it flew a weekly nonstop to TLV on a DC-8. Later, it down-gauged to a smaller aircraft. Around the time of the Oslo Accords, SK offered a daily flight between CPH and TLV. It suspended flights to TLV during the second intifada. I am not aware if SK ever offered chartered or LCC flights to TLV.

IIRC SAS flew with their 747's to Israel back in the 1980's, although I haven't got any documentation right at hand. These were more or less charter flights for old Scanair I believe, but operated by "real" SK 747's. COOL!!

/Kevin777  



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