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AR To Drop AKL, Start EZE-SYD Nonstop  
User currently offlineyeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 887 posts, RR: 14
Posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 15001 times:

Both Northstarboy and BNAOWB emailed/IM'd me this morning about this development, obviously big new in the world of long-haul flights! (6366nm, by the way).

Aerolíneas Argentinas will be ending service to Auckland and flying Buenos Aires to Sydney nonstop with its A-340's come 1 July.

With Qantas ending their EZE-SYD flight this Spring I'm happy to see (what I believe is) the world's most southerly reg sched. flight continue.




I hope AR can make a go of it.

yeo

[Edited 2012-03-29 08:05:50]


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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2230 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 14825 times:

No official word from AR yet, but certainly an interesting development.

I suppose that only leaves LAN as the remaining Latin American carrier on the trans-Tasman route.



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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 14807 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 1):
No official word from AR yet, but certainly an interesting development.

I suppose that only leaves LAN as the remaining Latin American carrier on the trans-Tasman route.

It is official. Flight schedules were published today.

AR1180 - Buenos Aires (EZE) - Sydney (SYD) OPS 135
Departs: 0830
Arrives: 1320 (+1)
TFT: 15h 50min

AR1181 - Sydney (SYD) - Buenos Aires (EZE) OPS 135
Departs: 1830
Arrives: 1955
TFT: 14h 25min

Saludos,



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6471 posts, RR: 32
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 14790 times:
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Best strategic decision on the part of AR for a long time. Taking advantage of QF leaving the market and probably attracting a lot of traffic from the most likely high fares QF and LA will charge from SCL.

I hope they do good with this decision.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2994 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 14730 times:

Nice. Will be interesting to see how this pans out.

User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8457 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 14546 times:
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Wondering how much of this could be the event last year in AKL when an AR flight was stranded and passengers were stuck in the terminal since they didn't have visa to enter NZ. Since AR's credit was no good, the plane was stuck there witha bad engine for days.

User currently onlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8603 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 14375 times:
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Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 2):
It is official. Flight schedules were published today.

AR1180 - Buenos Aires (EZE) - Sydney (SYD) OPS 135
Departs: 0830
Arrives: 1320 (+1)
TFT: 15h 50min

AR1181 - Sydney (SYD) - Buenos Aires (EZE) OPS 135
Departs: 1830
Arrives: 1955
TFT: 14h 25min

Interesting, the initial rumours had a tech stop in AKL westbound, they must have decided that they can manage without it. Not sure how they can operate 135 out of SYD when they arrive there 246 ?



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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14134 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 5):
Wondering how much of this could be the event last year in AKL when an AR flight was stranded and passengers were stuck in the terminal since they didn't have visa to enter NZ. Since AR's credit was no good, the plane was stuck there witha bad engine for days.

None of it.

And that situation never happened. A spare engine was rented from AF and the plane flew back to EZE within 72hs of the issue happening.

Andrew,

I might have read the schedules incorrectly.

Saludos,



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8457 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14068 times:
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Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 7):
And that situation never happened. A spare engine was rented from AF and the plane flew back to EZE within 72hs of the issue happening.

72 hours is still 2 days too long to have 200 people stuck 6000 miles from EZE.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17786 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14032 times:

Quoting yeogeo (Thread starter):
Aerolíneas Argentinas will be ending service to Auckland and flying Buenos Aires to Sydney nonstop with its A-340's come 1 July.

I wonder if this is in response to QF's nonstop service that ended already  



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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13975 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 8):

72 hours is still 2 days too long to have 200 people stuck 6000 miles from EZE.

The plane was ferried back, AKA empty.
People were flown back on a plane ferried to AKL for that special circumstance. People spent 24hs in AKL, at most. People who were in urge, were paid for their tickets in LA.

Saludos,



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User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13906 times:

Awful schedule. Very low connectivity at EZE for both outbound and inbound flights.

User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13816 times:

Hell of a route almost over the south pole. Nice!!

GUYAIR707


User currently offlinenickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 13645 times:

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 11):
Awful schedule. Very low connectivity at EZE for both outbound and inbound flights.

I agree - I understand that a significant portion of passengers on this flights are to/from Brazil - to the point that when AR transferred their GRU flights to AEP, they left one flight at EZE to connect with AKL/SYD.


User currently offlinenickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 13606 times:

Looks like this flight does still connect to/from GIG/GRU in both directions - although on the return to SYD, the flights entail red-eyes from Brazil to EZE.

User currently offlineghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5226 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 13537 times:

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 11):
Awful schedule. Very low connectivity at EZE for both outbound and inbound flights.

Agree!!!

When will AR move it's flights from AEP to EZE.

At least, cutting costs and closing AKL is a good decision. MEX and CUN should follow soon.

g77



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User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9701 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13449 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 6):
Interesting, the initial rumours had a tech stop in AKL westbound, they must have decided that they can manage without it. Not sure how they can operate 135 out of SYD when they arrive there 246 ?

It is a long flight, but the A342 has pretty good range. I would have thought a tech stop in CHC would be better. That saves about 300 miles.



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6451 posts, RR: 38
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13430 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 2):

It looks like the only good thing about the timing is that it might allow for a viewing of Antarctica if it flies south enough during summer!



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User currently offlineaeroflop From New Zealand, joined Mar 2012, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13291 times:

About time they pulled out. When I used to work on the ramp we would load only 2 baggage ULDs maximum! Who would fly with them across the tasman anyway. They don't advertise and I only found out they fly the ditch when I started working at the airport!

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6451 posts, RR: 38
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13247 times:

Quoting aeroflop (Reply 18):
Who would fly with them across the tasman anyway

It was fun not only to log the A342 which is rare but also take advantage to try out another airline who has the advantage of the 5th freedom rights between NZ and Australia.

Mission A340: Aerolineas Argentinas A342 AKL-SYD (by NZ107 Sep 1 2010 in Trip Reports)



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User currently offlineABpositive From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 11978 times:

Would they consider moving from SYD to MEL? It would be a bit closer and MEL is cheaper and more flexible to operate out of. They both have fairly similar connectivity to the rest of Australia (with easier terminal change in MEL). Is O&D traffic out of SYD that much bigger?

User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11920 times:

Quoting ghost77 (Reply 15):
When will AR move it's flights from AEP to EZE.

Probably never. AEP is quite conveniently located within the city. It's a short drive from the business district and an even shorter one from the upscale neighborhoods. EZE is most decidedly none of that. If AEP could handle it, you would see flights being moved there in droves.


User currently offlinecybergus From Venezuela, joined Mar 2006, 509 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11901 times:

Great news for AR. Going out a little bit off topic here...but with the addition of new eq. and doing some itinerary changes like this one and given the "fact" that AR is getting into ST, can we see them adding a new route to a ST hub? MEX, CDG or JFK? I know they will be code sharing with DL from MIA and I guess that UX will do the job in MAD and AZ in FCO, but do you think we can see AR metal in the previous routes?

Cheers



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25566 posts, RR: 86
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11799 times:
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Quoting aeroflop (Reply 18):
Who would fly with them across the tasman anyway. They don't advertise and I only found out they fly the ditch when I started working at the airport!

I flew AKL-SYD with Aerolineas and would do so again, it was quite pleasant. It was also quite cheap.  

mariner



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User currently offlineavrich From New Zealand, joined Apr 2009, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 11586 times:

Must be good news for NZ. The kiwi airline has been eyeing South America for some time and the upcoming charter to take the All Blacks to Argentina is seen as an opportunity to fly the flag in a potential new market. This leaves LAN as the only airline flying between NZ and South America.


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25 AR385 : What´s weird, was that in the past the AR flight terminated in AKL, and the SYD leg was discontinued. On and off during the 80s. I have the maps. But
26 tayser : AR started EZE-MEL-EZE in 1980 according to their own history page with a "747" - assume that was a 742?
27 Rafabozzolla : I had a look at AR schedules and couldn't see that.
28 WA707atMSP : I think it was a 747SP built for Braniff. Braniff was unable to take delivery, so AR was able to buy it from Braniff at a very low price.
29 AR385 : Yes, but it was never intended for that purpose. It was exclusively to fly the EZE-FCO-FRA nonstop with a full payload. Since then came the Malvinas
30 MD11junkie : Yep, it is there: 01 GRU EZE 0135 0430 AR2277 Z4 Y4 L4 B4 H4 K4 M4 V4 N0 E90 Q0 O0 W0 S4 G4 A4 R4 E0 OPERATED BY AUSTRAL LINEAS AEREAS 02 SYD 0830#13
31 Post contains links and images yeogeo : Not only that, but a hell of a long route as well (For aviation stat junkies only): It will be the 38th longest reg. sched. pax flight currently and
32 jfk777 : AR usd to fly the Australia route once weekly with a 742 stopping in Fortaleza at the buttom of Aregntina.
33 MD11junkie : Fortaleza is in Brazil. You mean Rio Gallegos (RGL). That went on to AKL and then on to SYD. Saludos,
34 GUYAIR707 : Do you think pax would prefer a two leg flight vs this longer flight? Seems like punishment for those in Economy. I can't handle a 5-6 hour GEO-JFK f
35 jfk777 : Your are right , my bad, but a city named "Rio" in South America seems so Brazilan.
36 Post contains images aerorobnz : Rio = River. There are lots of Rivers in South American that aren't Brazilian...
37 jfk777 : I know, English was not my first Language. The city where the "Rio Magdalena" goes through was my first language.
38 Post contains images yeogeo : Well it takes all types... Some think of nothing submitting to 10+ hrs in coach. I, for one, will never do a ULH flight any more without saving up mi
39 gemuser : Most Aussies think nothing of the 24 hour flight to Europe in Y. It's what you have to do to get there! True there is a stop but the sectors are stil
40 zhiao : What a scary route path; I hope there's no risk of falling into space!
41 tayser : ^ I realise you're taking the p*ss / posting in jest, however human ingenuity has progressed a lot since pre-1500 when Columbus disproved the theory t
42 cgnnrw : Back in 1997 I visited Argentina (absolutely a great country) and my friend and I spent a few days in Calafate. We flew back to EZE via Rio Gallegos
43 dennys : Hi could you confirm us that info is taken from Amadeus ? In that case , 340 would mean A340-200 . Many thanks regards
44 GUYAIR707 : Yeah you have to do what you have to do. The longest I have done was a LHR-CPT on VS A343. Fortunately for me the entire back row was empty, so after
45 Viscount724 : Why do you consider the 3-3-3 777 less desirable than the 3-4-3 744? The 777 at 9-abreast is slightly more spacious than the 10-abreast 747. I certai
46 dennys : Hi Rosefly , can you confirm the aircraft shall be an A340-200 ? Thks regards dennys
47 Post contains images gemuser : Exactly my point, there is not much if any difference in the seating 9 abreast in a B777 and a 10 abreast B747. I prefer the B747 over the B777 becau
48 Viscount724 : 747 also has a slightly higher percentage of middle seats (40%) than the 3-3-3 777 (33%). The 777 also gives you a slightly better chance of having a
49 MD11junkie : A340-200 or A340-300X A342 when on the route, will be limited in Y189. Saludos,
50 dennys : Quoting dennys (Reply 46): Hi Rosefly , can you confirm the aircraft shall be an A340-200 ? Thks regards dennys A340-200 or A340-300X A342 when on th
51 dennys : Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 12): Hell of a route almost over the south pole. Nice!! Not only that, but a hell of a long route as well (For aviation stat
52 Post contains links and images yeogeo : No, AMM is there; the problem is nautical miles, probably. Go to the Great Circle Mapper *, →set “Path Distance” to nautical miles ←, enter y
53 united787 : I would love to see a brief history of South America to New Zealand/Australia flights for QF, LA, NZ & AR and any others...
54 ZK-NBT : Pretty basic. AR. Started service to AKL in 1980 with a monthly! 742 via RGL. EZE-RGL-AKL-EZE. It became bi weekly then weekly over time, an extensio
55 yellowtail : CX ought to try HKG-AKL-SCL with their 340s.. a OW asian carrier would have the best shot at making it work. Don't think JL would have enough traffic
56 ZK-NBT : Opps I forgot to add that CX codeshare with LA through AKL and some US cities. It seems quite popular.
57 Rafabozzolla : It would make sense for the new LATAM to fly either GRU-SCL-AKL (if they decide for Star) or GRU-SCL-SYD (if they go OW).
58 DavidByrne : Nice summary. One other interesting little fact - at a very early stage in the route's development the Falklands War broke out, and the route was sus
59 dennys : Both Northstarboy and BNAOWB emailed/IM'd me this morning about this development, obviously big new in the world of long-haul flights! (6366nm, by th
60 sunrisevalley : Depending on the day the GRU/GIG-AKL ESAD can be between about 6900 and 7300nm. A one-stop at EZE would be ideal reducing the leg by ~900nm. The 77W
61 gemuser : Not if it's to/from an Australian port. It would require 240 ETDO, which frankly I can't see AR getting. It would also come very close too, if not ac
62 Post contains images yeogeo : Hello Dennys I'll defer to Gemuser in the above post but just add an illustration: As you can see there is a large area, perhaps one quarter of the e
63 dennys : Many thanks Yeo regards dennys
64 RyanairGuru : We had a long discussion about Aus-LatAm flights over on the Australian Aviation threads recently, and I think it was established in the end that all
65 mariner : I won't do it now, and have only ever done it when I've had no choice, usually for work related reasons. I organize stop-overs for myself at places I
66 Post contains links thegeek : When did they say that? I've done a google, and this link: http://www.casa.gov.au/newrules/ops/edto/download/NFRM0608OS.pdf infers the exact opposite
67 Post contains images RyanairGuru : Unfortunately I can't open the link you provided... Maybe it was an ANet rumour But I am 90% sure that a link was provided when it did the rounds...
68 kiwiandrew : My understanding ( which is second hand) is that this is exactly their intention. They have given the appearance of being prepared to support it, but
69 motorhussy : Personally, I will be sad to see AR leaving our fair shores, they've been flying to New Zealand since 1980 and that's quite a lot of time in historica
70 aerorobnz : Yep agreed - me too, I have flown all 4 of their 342s to and from EZE at various times and have a number of happy AR flights to remember. They were t
71 gemuser : It was in The Age last year. A CASA spokesman was quoted as saying something like he doubted CASA would ever approve EDTO>180. I THINK it was in a
72 DavidByrne : I'm absolutely with you there, Mariner. I've had some wonderfully exotic routings and stopovers over the years through consciously seeking out the ch
73 Post contains images yeogeo : For what its worth, EZE-SYD via PPT would also seem viable even with 180 min. ETOPS, according to the GCM: A pretty routing, like Christmas garland,
74 ozglobal : Yes, I have done on QF about 3 years ago. Left SYD at 11am Dec 31st and arrived 13hrs later in EZE at (wait for it...) 11am on Dec 31st !!!! The half
75 motorhussy : It will be interesting to see how things change once QF and Jetstar start receiving their 787 fleets. Flying over Antarctica, regardless of how relia
76 Post contains images Checo77 : I was just checking AR´s vs. LA´s fares into SYD and AR were cheaper by half over LA. Wow. Really interesting. The product is definitely worse, but
77 motorhussy : A very long flight with no seat-back IFE in Y.[Edited 2012-04-03 15:18:28]
78 gemuser : AFAIK an A319 is the largest "airliner" permitted on the Wilkes ice runway, due to pavement issues, that is the ice is not strong enough for "airline
79 ozglobal : 1/ Wasn't really serious. Just underlining the isolation. 2/ Would rather take my chances in a crowded hanger in freezing conditions than plunge into
80 Post contains images qf002 : It's cheaper to buy the AR fare and then go out and get a top of the range iPad and a pile of movies and TV shows to occupy oneself for the flight...
81 Post contains links thegeek : Found it, here: http://www.theage.com.au/travel/trav...longhaul-burden-20100324-qwd9.html Interestingly, that is completely different to what CASA sa
82 gemuser : Given the contradiction, who knows, but I'd bet they wouldn't be allowed! Gemuser
83 qf002 : Under the same conditions as Australian airlines, yes they would. But it would end up being a repeat of the VA experiment out of MEL.
84 jrfspa320 : Why are the australian ETOPS rules so much stricter than everywhere else?
85 RyanairGuru : If you believe some people on here it's because QF only fly quads on extended over-water missions, meaning that CASA is giving them a competitive adv
86 Post contains links and images gemuser : CASA has an inherent fear of a big jet going down in the Great Southern Ocean as there basically NO possibility of rescue. In fact if you look deeper
87 Post contains images Avianca : only issue is that your transit time with LA is ex LIM for example 20 hours, via EZE on AR like 120 hours
88 thegeek : The part that I do disagree with is allowing old 747s to do it even though they were never intended to (to my knowledge) while much newer 777s, desig
89 gemuser : See quote below. Historically quads never had diversion time restrictions of any kind, it is quite possible that part of the plan is to remove quads
90 MD11junkie : AR's config of the A340-200 is 32C 217Y, but when operating the route, will be limited to 32C 189Y. Saludos,
91 united787 : Thank You!!! I think NZ should consider AKL-LIM which would provide lots of Star Alliance connections on both ends with TACA, they could even do a GR
92 aeroflop : Good IFE is a MUST for any flight over 3 hours. I don't bring my own entertainment on flights anymore because I assume that the airline will have AVO
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