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IAG Wins EU Approval For Bmi  
User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 16
Posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 17770 times:

Just announced to the stock exchange:

Quote:
REGULATORY APPROVAL FOR BMI DEAL

The European Commission (EC) has today given regulatory approval for International Airlines Group's purchase of bmi from Lufthansa.

Some technical conditions need to be finalised before completion, which is anticipated to take place around April 20, 2012. Following completion, it is intended that bmi mainline will be integrated into British Airways during the coming months.

IAG has offered the following commitments to the EC as part of the regulatory
process:

·      Seven daily slot pairs to be used between Heathrow and either Edinburgh and/or Aberdeen.

·      Five daily slot pairs to be used between Heathrow and the following destinations - Nice, Cairo, Riyadh, Moscow, Edinburgh and/or Aberdeen.

·      Two Heathrow daily slot pairs will be leased to Transaero for use on flights to Moscow.

·      Other airlines can apply for seats on the integrated BA/bmi short and midhaul network for their transfer passengers, on normal commercial terms.

IAG chief executive Willie Walsh said: "We're delighted the EC has given competition approval for our acquisition of bmi. Their decision follows a thorough review during which the views of key stakeholders have been taken into account.

"This is great news for Britain. Over time we will launch new longhaul routes to key trading nations that are currently not served from Heathrow while supporting our shorthaul network. This is good for UK business and UK consumers. We have already announced that British Airways will re-start flights from Belfast to Heathrow, maintaining important economic links.

"Expanding our longhaul network also helps Heathrow grow as an international hub airport despite its infrastructure constraints.

"This deal will maintain high quality jobs at bmi and create similar jobs when we expand. More British jobs will be saved than if bmi had closed. British Airways will consult with bmi staff and their unions as soon as possible.

"We plan to operate bmi's summer schedule and will update their customers once the transaction has been completed".  

The acquisition cost of bmi is unchanged at £172.5m in cash, on a debt-free, cash-free basis, but is subject to significant price reductions if Lufthansa does not opt to sell bmi baby.

IAG's Heathrow slot portfolio, excluding the commitments made to the EC, will increase by at least an average of 42 daily slot pairs. The transaction is still expected to be earnings accretive by 2014 at the latest. The commitments do not affect IAG's plans to increase its 2015 operating profit target of €1.5 billion by €100 million and its target of delivering a 12 per cent return on capital employed.  IAG estimates that restructuring costs related to the integration of bmi will be around £100 million spread over three years with the majority in year one.

IAG plans to hold an investor update after completion of the deal, at which it will give more detail on the bmi integration plan.



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User currently offlineFCAFLYBOY From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 17773 times:

Great news for IAG as a whole, excellent news for BA and good for the soon-to-be Ex-BMI staff who will still face difficulty ahead for sure, there are bound to be redundancies, but a lot less I gather than had anyone else (read Branson) got his paws on BMI.

User currently onlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 884 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 17582 times:

Don't get it - so BA only have to lease TSO a couple of slots, the rest they guarantee to keep flying themselves but have to make seats available for other airlines pax? (which they would do anyway)

Or does 'offering committments' mean making the slots available to other airlines - a bit unclear. And what happens if no-one wants the slots?

Bit of a slap in the face for VIR then.

[Edited 2012-03-30 09:35:02]

[Edited 2012-03-30 09:50:31]

User currently offlineastockla From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 17564 times:

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 1):
Great news for IAG as a whole, excellent news for BA and good for the soon-to-be Ex-BMI staff who will still face difficulty ahead for sure, there are bound to be redundancies, but a lot less I gather than had anyone else (read Branson) got his paws on BMI.

and better than if the EC had blocked the deal as LH said that if regulatory approval hadn't been received, they would shut the airline down instead of offering it elsewhere...



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User currently offlinefaustboi From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2011, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 17543 times:

http://www.iairgroup.com/phoenix.zht...-newsArticle&ID=1678611&highlight=


IAG has offered the following commitments to the EC as part of the regulatory process:
· Seven daily slot pairs to be used between Heathrow and either Edinburgh and/or Aberdeen.
· Five daily slot pairs to be used between Heathrow and the following destinations - Nice, Cairo, Riyadh, Moscow, Edinburgh and/or Aberdeen.
· Two Heathrow daily slot pairs will be leased to Transaero for use on flights to Moscow.
· Other airlines can apply for seats on the integrated BA/bmi short and midhaul network for their transfer passengers, on normal commercial terms.


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 17378 times:

Finally... That's a great news... And I think the concessions are fair... Now let's see if VS will start domestic UK flights.


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User currently offlinejwhite9185 From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 1404 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 17364 times:

I have a flight to NCE booked for May, so should be interesting to see what, if any, changes will be made to the flight now. Operated on BA metal? BA crew? Any BA branding at all? Either way I'm glad I booked with BMI while i still could and will be interesting to potentially be on one of their last ever flights.


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User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5316 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 17365 times:

Quoting faustboi (Reply 4):
· Two Heathrow daily slot pairs will be leased to Transaero for use on flights to Moscow.

I'm guessing these were currently leased from BMI to Transaero so will jsut enable them to continue operating their current flights.

I wonder if Easyjet will seriously look at launching a few LHR - EDI/ABZ routes?

As for Virgin I would think that they would grab the chance to get the slots for Moscow... not sure Riyadh or Cairo would appeal...


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 17368 times:

However, I think we might see VS operating to Cairo and Moscow.


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User currently onlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 17339 times:

The best outcome for sure. Saves the most amount of jobs and better yet, is a big "up yours Branson".


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User currently offlinebtblue From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 17308 times:
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That's great news.

No long drawn out drama, costing thousands in the process.

Glad to see some common sense here. No doubt Virgin will be grumbling but on the whole the deal is good for BMI and good for BA.

Looking forward to getting a ride on a Virgin GB domestic flight some time in the future...  



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 17158 times:

Quoting btblue (Reply 10):
Glad to see some common sense here

        



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User currently offlinevhtje From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 380 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 17058 times:
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Quoting anstar (Reply 7):
I wonder if Easyjet will seriously look at launching a few LHR - EDI/ABZ routes?

I doubt it. LHR is far too expensive for EZY's cost structure, surely?

Wonderful news for the BMI employees. Well done IAG.


User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 16977 times:

BMI said on their announcement that they will operate a full summer schedule, so this mean that changes will only apply from the end of October?

User currently offlinejrn216 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2012, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 16910 times:

This is excellent news; I am very happy. The purchase of bmi by IAG and subsequent integration into British Airways will ensure that the latter will be able to strengthen its position at Heathrow and offer expansion opportunities that it would just not have been able to achieve through natural growth. While it will be sad to see the bmi brand disappear, which has a long aviation history in the UK, it is widely accepted that the airline has not been able to adapt to the changing market and has struggled for many years. IAG's purchase is the least worst option and will at least ensure a future for many bmi staff.

The concession on slots is certainly in line with expectations and it is good that it is route based. While I don't necessarily agree that competition is needed on UK domestic routes (taking the London market as a whole), it will be interesting to see if any airline takes up the opportunity to operate the routes to Scotland.

Quoting btblue (Reply 10):
No long drawn out drama

I totally agree with this and welcome the EC's quick and "painless" regulatory approval.


User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5316 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 16795 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 5):
Now let's see if VS will start domestic UK flights.

I wouldn't hold your breath - 7 slots is hardly enough to start a decent domestic operation...

As I said above the only route I can see VS taking up the chance to start is Moscow... Riyadh is too conservative and airo is a bit of a basket case with the current political situation.

Quoting btblue (Reply 10):
the deal is good for BMI

But not good for all BMI staff... most head office staff will be cut.... whilst flying staff may keep jobs I really cant see BA taking on the hords from donnington castle!


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 16687 times:

Quoting anstar (Reply 15):
I wouldn't hold your breath - 7 slots is hardly enough to start a decent domestic operation...

7 is for the exlusive use to ABZ and EDI plus 5 that can be used to EDI, ABZ, CAI or MOW. That means that VS could easily operate 5 daily flights each to ABZ and EDI.



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13529 posts, RR: 100
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 16587 times:
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I never expect this to happen quickly.
This is HUGE news for BA. It will make them far more competitive.

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 1):
Great news for IAG as a whole

Yes it is. The value of the connections will be immense. Not the will, I do not expect BA to keep the same shorthaul network and will instead utilize the slots for longer missions.

IMHO, the greatest value will be oppening up a reasonable feeded network for BA. Yes... BA had one today. With BMI, they will be 'force fed' a much more competitive feeder network.

Quoting garpd (Reply 9):
Saves the most amount of jobs and better yet, is a big "up yours Branson".

This will save jobs. As to the Branson comment... Let's just say VS didn't have the funds for a competitive bid.

I personally would have rather seen a 3rd runway at LHR with either BA or VS organically growing a feeder network. Alas, that might have lowered the value of BMI below its debt...  
Quoting anstar (Reply 15):
But not good for all BMI staff... most head office staff will be cut.... whilst flying staff may keep jobs

That is my impression. I also expect a consolidation of ground staff at LHR. I feel for anyone losing their position.

However, IMHO, this is the best solution for British aviation.

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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16400 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 17):
That is my impression. I also expect a consolidation of ground staff at LHR. I feel for anyone losing their position.

Not sure many jobs will be lost there. Remember T5 is full, T3 can't accommodate all of BMI operation. So BA would still need to have the ground staff to operate out of T1 until the operations are merged again under T3 or T1 but then again, the ground staff in its majority will be needed.

Now, we need to see what's gonna happen next... I expect BMI and BA to start sharing codes asap, in order to maximize the exposure of BMI's network and enhance revenues in this transitional phase.



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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16399 times:

Quoting LHR27C (Thread starter):
Seven daily slot pairs to be used between Heathrow and either Edinburgh and/or Aberdeen.

Is it just me or is this as clear as mud ?

What exactly does the above sentence mean, does IAG agree to let someone else buy 7 slot pairs permanantly, does IAG offer to lease 7 slots pairs, does IAG have to give away 7 slot pairs for free, or does it mean that IAG have to use 7 slot pairs themselves on these routes.


User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5316 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16342 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 16):
That means that VS could easily operate 5 daily flights each to ABZ and EDI.

But is it worth setting up a short haul operation and buying short haul aircraft for 10 daily flights? I doubt it.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 17):
hat is my impression. I also expect a consolidation of ground staff at LHR. I feel for anyone losing their position.

I'd say ,ost flying staff will be ok - its all the staff at head office that will liekly lose their jobs - cant see them needing to be replicated at Waterside!


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8625 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16330 times:
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Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 18):
T3 can't accommodate all of BMI operation

What if some more of the *A airlines currently stuck at T3 were swapped over to T1 ? I know that most are widebodies so may not be suitable for the gates at T1 curently used by BD, but how about if SK shifted ? How many frequencies do they operate weekly into T3 ?



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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16274 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 21):
What if some more of the *A airlines currently stuck at T3 were swapped over to T1 ? I know that most are widebodies so may not be suitable for the gates at T1 curently used by BD, but how about if SK shifted ? How many frequencies do they operate weekly into T3 ?

I can see SK moving to T1. They have many flights a day from T3 but I do not know how many. TK can also move to T1 to joining other Star airlines. But that's still way less than the 42 daily slot pairs BA will acquire. Honestly, I think that's going to be the hardest part of the deal.



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User currently offlinejwhite9185 From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 1404 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 15927 times:

Just got an email from the diamond club saying that:

Quote:
We are working together to announce a Diamond Club partnership with British Airways. This will include the ability to earn and redeem Diamond Club destinations miles across the bmi and BA networks.

So hopefully that means i can transfer my diamond club miles over to BA miles at some point. I have A3 Miles and bonus, but BA miles would be much more useful to me.



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User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5316 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 15905 times:

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 23):
So hopefully that means i can transfer my diamond club miles over to BA miles at some point. I have A3 Miles and bonus, but BA miles would be much more useful to me.

Id read that to say your bmi miles can be redeemed for BA or BD only. They wont be transferred nor will you be able to redeem them on oneworld carriers.


25 kiwiandrew : Great news for most BD staff, I am sure that they will be relieved that for many of them the uncertainty should be soon cleared up and they can get on
26 Post contains images GCT64 : Come on Easyjet - as I said on the previous thread (the one about the slots that would need to be offered), I think Easy are the only company that co
27 anstar : That was not the only alternative.... regardless I cant see many of BD's office staff being offered jobs with BA
28 jwhite9185 : Well as BA are now the only full service British airline flying to Europe, chances are i'd only use them on BA anyway. But one day in the future the
29 slinky09 : Congrats to BA and those BMI staff who's futures look securer. Could anyone make an operation with just seven dailies work - that'll be say two aircra
30 Gingersnap : I honestly don't think it's worth their while on this one. Simply because of the high cost of renting/purchasing slots, as well as potential problems
31 Post contains images planejamie : This is excellent news, this means that Riyadh will probably get 2x daily BA (late night and early morning, as BA currently have the early morning one
32 rutankrd : I would suggest FLYBE-Logan could do a few rotations on the Scottish and/or Nice routes ( The Nice would work quite well with the AF codeshare -Didn'
33 Post contains links sam1987 : The press release states that "it is intended that bmi mainline will be integrated into British Airways during the coming months" - so you might be o
34 Post contains images mikey72 : We've always had one. Oh how they forget....
35 LHRFlyer : If no-one takes up the slots then BA keeps them. I think Virgin may go for the medium haul slots to Cairo and Moscow, but not the short-haul routes.
36 GDB : Well my post on the BA 734 is partly out of date, even as I wrote it! Good news, I hope very much that as many BMI staff as possible can continue thei
37 BD338 : Great news overall and realistically the only option that would really have worked. Wasn't this decision cutting things a bit fine? IIRC IAG said they
38 Post contains images kiwiandrew : I'm curious what other alternative you could see. I am a die hard A* fan boy ( as Mikey72 will testify! ) but I couldn't see a third option for BD. A
39 LHRFlyer : I expect that must have been informal discussions between IAG, Lufthansa and the Commission before the transaction was officially notified (which did
40 WAC : No surprise,,,the real anouncement was done back on 12th March by the OFT,,,,EU just confirmed there were no concerns on European or global scale whic
41 Post contains images mikey72 : AA anti-trust, the IB merger and now the acquisition of BD....these things have not given BA any kind of advantage over their 'real' competitors in Eu
42 gemuser : Bongodog, I can't believe that you and I are they only ones asking this question! The words in the original quote are MOST ambiguous. To me the most
43 jrfspa320 : This is great news for the UK airline industry, and a continuation of mergers we have seen over the last couple of years. Time to get T5D built! What
44 kiwiandrew : Did you mean to type T1 ? So far as I know BA/QF aren't intending to join Star ?
45 anstar : I cant imagine BA keeping many of the head office jobs at BMI.
46 Post contains images BOACCunard : Add my name to the list of people who find this wording absolutely incomprehensible. I haven't a clue what it is supposed to mean.
47 jrfspa320 : Nope I meant 5D, a proposed pier to T5, I meant just the current T3 BA/QF flights moving to T1, as there isnt a huge amount, less than 20 i think? Ju
48 liftsifter : While I was never in support of BA eating up bmi, this surely is better than bmi being closed completely. I will never forget how great bmi was though
49 RTFM : Not going to happen.... BA have more than just the joint BA/QF flights in T3. Plus the current T1 is scheduled for demolition once the new T2 is open
50 AIR MALTA : But then all other OW would need to move to T1. T1 is the farthest terminal from T5. Passengers transferring between T1 and T5 would need to allow mo
51 AIR MALTA : Knowing that BA will keep BMI's summer schedule, what would be the routes that would be axed after that? and what new destinations would be started af
52 mikey72 : There are quite a few gaps to fill and with the arriving A380's etc... the 2013 timetable will be interesting to see. Just from an enthusiasts perspe
53 skipness1E : G-BNLA / D / H remain at VCV with G-BNLB / C having been scrapped at CWL. G-BNLG / U made it back from VCV and are the cleanest and shiniest of the B7
54 mikey72 : I'm guessing they wiil now be returning sooner rather than later ?
55 bastew : And let the battle of the words begin ding ding! Willie Walsh in todays Daily Telegraph: "Quite honestly I think it must be almost humiliating for Bra
56 FlyCaledonian : IAG has offered the following commitments to the EC as part of the regulatory process: · Seven daily slot pairs to be used between Heathrow and eithe
57 skipness1E : Unlikely to return at all alas I am told as they need a LOT of money spent on them added to the fact they are 23 years old and have been static for y
58 fcogafa : The Guardian quotes Walsh as saying... ============= Walsh challenged Virgin, which had warned that domestic services would be lost in a BA-bmi merger
59 par13del : Best quote on the jobs issue, I don't think poor management is the only reason why BMI went belly up, however, in mergers, the new company usually wa
60 btblue : So, correct me if I am wrong, but in theory, easyJet or Ryanair could come in and say look, we want to operate these slots... I assume, it is open to
61 mikey72 : Yes, putting it that way I see what you mean. YOUCH indeed !
62 Dano1977 : I like Willie Walsh, he doesn't mix his words and calls it how he sees it. I would think you will end up holding your breath longer than a free diver
63 gemuser : Where have they said that? Certainly not in the statement quoted by the OP. Your interpretation sounds reasonable, but where has BA or the EU Commiss
64 YVRLTN : VS could damp lease a couple of aircraft from somebody like Small Planet or another ACMI specialist, they have after all done this in the past with V
65 blink182 : Could someone take these slots in say a year from now, or is this a one-time use it or lose it offer from BA? Also, what if BA doesn't use these slot
66 mikey72 : I don't think there's any danger of that.
67 BrianDromey : That could be an interesting possibility. Either WW or Regional could be good conduits for VS to operate these Scottish routes. I thinks AF may well
68 WAC : I think we need to see the opening of a new competitor on LHR-ABZ/EDI if and who VS decide to join a alliance. If VS join Skyteam I could see the like
69 Post contains links VV701 : It is not precisely clear exactly how the slot redistribution will work. However note the following quote from a BBC report: "According to the Commiss
70 AIR MALTA : I think the best would be this new Scottish airline on the base of BMI Regional. They could easily lease 2 A319s and start 5 daily to ABZ, 5 daily to
71 AIR MALTA : I think this is a good approach. But what will happen if nobody comes forward for those 7 domestic slots? Does the offer have an expiration date? Do
72 slinky09 : Thanks for that, one further thought - who will determine if the offer price for the slots is 'reasonable'? Does the trustee have that right for exam
73 LHRFlyer : I'm not sure it will work like that. When BA and AA had to make available slots to entrants on to certain transatlantic routes as a condition of anti
74 anstar : I dont think VS would be interested in acquiring fuel guzzling MX greedy old 737's. Perhaps we could see BMI regional as a Virgin branded franchise t
75 ual777uk : Has VS actually made an offical comment as of yet and in particular stated they will not start up domestic ops? Did I miss that?
76 skipness1E : There will be a generic comment about how this is bad for the consumer. There was no intention on Virgin's part to do what they say, they are disinge
77 Chrisba777er : I'd be so happy if BA retained the A332s. When do they get RTL-ed? VS starting up domestic ops - this has ERJ175/195 written all over it. 717s would b
78 skipness1E : Both are high cost. A subfleet of two A332s in a sea of B777s doesn't make sense, especially givent the A332s are leased and apparently not on the mo
79 lhr380 : Can't agree more with your post.
80 VV701 : IF the BBC report is correct then this will not happen here. At the risk of being repetitive it says: This strongly suggests that the trustee and IAG
81 mikey72 : So, let's cut to the quick. Who and to where are we talking about ? Realistically.. if nobody minds. So far the only 2 slots I can see definitely bei
82 liverpoola380 : I have red all the comments in the post and nobody has picked up on the fact that BA will now hold a monopoly on shuttle's to LHR from MAN. I regulary
83 Chrisba777er : Hope BA consolidate the departures - Stick a 767 on it.
84 fcogafa : As I recall, Virgins 'commitment' was 'if the whole deal is rejected, we will start domestic services' As this has not happened, they have their 'get
85 gigneil : Yeah, more governments should be in the business of giving the finger to their self-made businesspeople. Wait. NS
86 Post contains links vhtje : Interestingly, the BMI website is remarkably silent about all of this: http://www.flybmi.com/bmi/en-gb/abou...s/media-centre/press-releases.aspx I kno
87 oneworld77 : They have emailed all of the Diamond Club members - frequent travellers - a holding statement. They won't say more than that until April 20th or afte
88 mikey72 : Hardly. At some point the spoon feeding has to stop. What really ''rankles'' VS is that they can't do anything about recent developments in the globa
89 AIR MALTA : You're right... I read an article about a Scottish representative saying that the deal will harm competition and VS that only has 3% of landing slots
90 VV701 : We like the underdog. We hate large successful companies. We would rather pour money to compaies with registered offices in the West Indies owned by
91 BrianDromey : I think a UK airline would struggle with CAI. AFAIK many of the frequencies that BD operated were part of a rather complicated structure using Egypta
92 rutankrd : True we don't do corporations any more , not since the 1980s when Maggie said something long the lines of - We are a nation of shopkeepers . The Tori
93 lhr380 : BA fly daily 777s to CAI.
94 Chrisba777er : Fantastic post. Welcome to my RU list.
95 Post contains links LHRFlyer : Regarding the slot allocation process on designated routes, you can see how it will work in this document: http://ec.europa.eu/competition/merg...6447
96 fcogafa : Detailed document, section 1.3.3 says that if the slots are not taken up then IAG gets them back. Also, the rules are restrictive in as much as the ne
97 Post contains links bcworld : Well the Asiana website (in Korean) is saying bmi will leave *A on 18th April! http://asianaclub.flyasiana.com/Kore.../customer/Notice_View.jsp?Pkid=
98 AIR MALTA : I have read somewhere that slots can be used to other destinations in Europe if let's say an entrant has successfully operated flights to domestic ro
99 Speedbird2155 : Until there is an official announcement, I wouldn't trust 3rd party information who are not involved in the decisions. I'm sure that BA/IAG and BMI w
100 VV701 : The slots must be used for the nominated routes for the first six IATA Scheduling Seasons. I guess this means three years with both a Winter and a Su
101 mikey72 : No sh*t ! That aside, is any other airline in the world 'required' to provide seats to feed its rivals network ? (especially when considering the req
102 rutankrd : But its nothing more than standard interline agreements that have existed for just about ever. I think its been said quite a few Virgin Holiday passe
103 BrianDromey : Has there been any noise as to how this will affect the BA operation at LHR, I think a split operation is pretty inevitable at this point, I don't thi
104 lhr380 : But then you would not be able to have the 1 hour transfers from the domestic to Longhaul routes you currently get if doms are in t1 and int in t5
105 oneworld77 : That's how it was with T4. Except IB is moving into T5 now. I wouldn't be surprised to see the CIS/Middle East flights (Both BA and ex BMED) from T1.
106 kiwiandrew : I think it has all moved so fast that this hasn't really been worked out yet. Certainly I can't see any relocation before the end of the (Northern) s
107 lhr380 : T3 would not cope above its current BA network. I can't imagine what the lounges would be like with a heavy long haul program as well as its shorthau
108 skipness1E : Most BA short haul at T3 is actually bussed to T1 anyway and boarded at Pier 4A where the airbridges were removed from Gates 188 / 190, and remotes 19
109 anstar : Perhaps VS should join skyteam - move to T4 ()which seems to have a fair bit of spare capacity) and leave T3 to BA and oneworld?
110 RyanairGuru : How much room is there in T4? Presuming there is still space I would imagine that ME and SV would move over in the fullness of time. If it were possi
111 Post contains images mikey72 : You seem to know a great deal about LHR considering you avoid the place like the plague ? That wasn't the way I read it concerning the acquisition of
112 Post contains links and images bwaflyer : Air France operated the A380 out of T4 on a daily basis last year View Large View MediumPhoto © Tom Collins
113 LHR27C : The medium term solution to this issue is clearly to build a T5D satellite where the current fuel farm, fire station and BA T5 engineering facility ar
114 Post contains links fcogafa : MAS will need a T4 A380 stand soon! The Telegraph is saying that VIR want all the ex BMI slots...! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...lots-for-lau
115 Post contains images rutankrd : There are TWO On terminal T4 stands that are 388 ready thinks it 404 and 406 right now and have been used/available since 2009 used by Qantas and for
116 WAC : Wha Great map. Shows what a mess LHR is. I would think T5A can handle the passenger number of BD (?), then BA could bus passengers to T1 stands, a bit
117 BrianDromey : That might be possible, but would cause huge amount of disruption. I think the airlines are in the terminals they are of a variety of reasons, despit
118 GDB : Nice one. Which exposes the idiotic 'thinking' of Steve Hilton, thank heavens that clown has left his 'advisory role' in Downing Street.
119 Tristarsteve : I was just looking in BA.com for November, and see that the new ARN flight has been loaded BA774 0615 from LHR returning as BA775 at 1045 from ARN. Th
120 sbworcs : Interesting. Do you think Virgin might actually start a domestic service? Or will they bid so low that the offer is not accepted and then cry foul?
121 fcogafa : I think they will try for all of them as stated, not get them all then use that as an excuse to withdraw, blaming everyone else...
122 jamesontheroad : Travelmole claim it's for domestic operations, although with only 12 slot pairs they'll struggle to establish a serious business friendly schedule to
123 skipness1E : Virgin do not have enough long haul to feed three daily feeder flights to Scotland come off it. I can't beliveve people pay so much attention to what
124 Post contains links BA174 : Virgin want to keep their west coast franchise. They will also be bidding for the East Coast franchise next year after being unsuccessful many times.
125 anstar : The only tie up I could think would be acceptable to the Virgin Groups model would be for Granite Aviation ( or whatever the bidder for BMI-R is call
126 Post contains links tcxdegsy : Looks like Virgin could be starting some Domestic routes, if they secure the slots.... http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/Articl...d+for+domestic+heathrow+
127 by738 : I suspect it s all talk and no action, or all talk and short lived disastrous action.
128 sbworcs : Just had an email from Diamond Club to state that from 19th April points can no longer be earnt / redeemed on Lufthansa Group airlines. Any existing b
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