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Why Haven't We Seen Any Retro Livery On Delta?  
User currently offlineDLSLC From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 88 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8589 times:

I was looking through many of the different airlines that have done or have retro painted planes out there, and wondered why we haven't seen any from Delta? I would love to see one of their aircraft painted in the old widget, or even an earlier scheme than that.
Any one have any info on why we haven't seen any from then while many others have done so?
Thanks.

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User currently offlinelitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8576 times:
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Can't answer the "why" ... but I believe their last "retro" liveries were both worn by Ship 102 ...

One was the special 75th anniversary scheme used for the final year or so of Ship 102's service

And the other was its original Widget livery for its farewell tour (and which it still wears on the Delta Heritage Museum)


User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8563 times:
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Quoting DLSLC (Thread starter):
Any one have any info on why we haven't seen any from then while many others have done so?
Thanks.

Probably because we're in the process of reconfiguring most of our international fleet. "The Spirit of Delta" is in one, in fact it's been in 2. I suspect once some sort of anniversary comes up, you'll probably see one at some point. We have a few special liveried aircraft, Some Skyteam, BCRF and Habitat for Humanity schemes flying around though.



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Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8457 times:
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Funny I thought most of the fleet was in a retro livery a couple years ago... oh wait..


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User currently offlinemetjetCEO From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8367 times:

I think some would argue that it took so long to get the fleet unified (widget, 2007 livery, flag livery and newest design) that anyone that would bring up the idea of a retro livery would get walked out  

User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3105 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8276 times:

Quoting DLSLC (Thread starter):
why we haven't seen any from Delta?

Probably because it would be a waste of money - which it is. When dealing with insane fuel costs are you going to throw away money on a paint job that you won't see while walking through the jetway or seated on the aircraft. Just not a priority I would guess.


User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1274 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8261 times:

I started out thinking I'd like to see an example of the old crown livery on a 744 but that got me thinking that the 744 might be more appropriate in the original 1970's NW scheme. From there;

A "crown" 767
An RW MD80.
An SO MD80
An RC 757
An NC MD80

I could go on.


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8236 times:

Quoting litz (Reply 1):

Can't answer the "why" ... but I believe their last "retro" liveries were both worn by Ship 102 ...

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When you think about, Delta has already done the "retro jet" thing, as there has been times in which they had three different liveries floating around (four if you count the Song livery). There was about a four year period (2000-2004) in which Delta had a/c in the "original" Widget livery, the 1997 livery (AKA Ron Allen Livery) and the 2000 livery (Commonly referred to around here as the Deltaflot or Wavy Gravy livery) not to mention the Song livery. Then a few years later, we were back to this again with the introduction of the current livery in 2007. The a/c in the Song and the 1997 livery were the first to receive the new livery so not to have a repeat of when the 2000 livery came out.

If Delta decides to do a retro jet thing again, I'd love to see the following liveries from Delta's history put on a/c:


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Maybe if the rumors of DL getting the 717 pans out, they could paint some of them in Bonanza, Air West, North Central, Southern, the sideways Delta widget livery and West Coast Airlines liveries......


User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 928 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8232 times:

And I would love to see a NE Yellowbird too!


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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5107 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8179 times:

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 8):


And I would love to see a NE Yellowbird too!

I'll vote for that, plus a Chicago & Southern  



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10424 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8092 times:

I'd like to see something in the original black & orange, Delta Air Service livery, used on the Travelair.


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7803 times:

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 5):
Probably because it would be a waste of money - which it is.

I believe AS and HP/US disagree with you 100%......



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3073 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7706 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 14):
Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 5):
Probably because it would be a waste of money - which it is.

I believe AS and HP/US disagree with you 100%......

Or Norfolk Southern and Union Pacific Railroads who have also done retro liveries of their older paint schemes or predecessors. Norfolk Southern's forthcoming line-up is by far the most impressive. UP's were more like a caricature than an accurate rendition of the old paints.

http://www.nscorp.com/nscportal/nsco.../Media/images/heritage_images.html

Apparently, these other companies all find value in the good publicity even if it doesn't directly show up as a short term gain on some beancounter's spreadsheet.


User currently offlineHermansCVR580 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 509 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7584 times:

Now if Delta did a retro jet for all the airlines that make up Delta today would they have any planes actually painted in their own colors     Gotta admit Delta could have some really cool retro jets should they choose to do them. I'm sure its all about the

  

[Edited 2012-03-31 04:47:33 by srbmod]


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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7303 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 7):



Maybe if the rumors of DL getting the 717 pans out, they could paint some of them in Bonanza, Air West, North Central, Southern, the sideways Delta widget livery and West Coast Airlines liveries......

All those classic vintage liveries are great and would be cool with the exception of the Fugly Western livery with the curved design on the tail.

And, DL should have kept their classic widget livery (767) pictured. It is a timeless legendary design iconic like the Pan Am Globe. Sorry DL all your liveries since are letdowns. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Too much change.



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10424 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6739 times:

I suppose you could go nuts, painting a/c in colors representing ALL the airlines that have made up DL (including the root airlines), but maybe, to simplify things, you could do retro paintjobs in just the carriers that made up DL thru mergers........Chicago & Southern, Northeast, Western, PanAm, Northwest.......of course, in the case of PanAm, DL would have to get permission as they don't have the rights to that livery.

[Edited 2012-03-31 04:52:51 by srbmod]


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6679 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 25):
When did AS change their livery?

Late 1980's or early 1990's, I believe....



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User currently offlinecomair25 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5828 times:

I would love to see a Song livery. Was always my favorite

User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3249 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5790 times:

Quoting Flaps (Reply 6):
I could go on.

Yeah, my vote is for a B737G or 738 in the next to last western livery, white fuselage, big red W with red cheatline.

[Edited 2012-03-31 04:54:06 by srbmod]


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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5384 times:

I have had to remove a number of off-topic posts from this thread. This thread is about potential Delta retro jets if they were to do some. It is not about other airlines' retro jets nor is it to discuss one's feelings about previous Delta CEOs. Please stay on topic or this thread will be locked.

User currently offlinehamad From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1160 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4351 times:

I was on that airplane in 2005 in the summer i think? or was it the spring! i was flying from PHX to ATL then to IAD, because i was tired i didn't bother to look, finally when i was disembarking in ATL, i realized that i was on this big bird! 102!


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3467 times:

Quoting comair25 (Reply 17):
I would love to see a Song livery. Was always my favorite

I agree they should repaint one of the 75's into a Song livery just for the memories   



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User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 763 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3429 times:

Who was that outfit doing the Western airlines out of Mesa, AZ a couple years back...went to GYY, I think? I always like the livery: "The Swizzle Stick." I actually still have a swizzle stick from Western from that era. Loved it.

Is it just me, or does the 319/320 generally wear ANY livery pretty well? It seems as though all the US retros look good on the 319, regardless of the type of plane it was first on.

I think the "good will" and public reaction to special paint jobs is worth doing them. They have to be painted anyway...line a few ideas up, and then pick your fleet. The next X # in that fleet up for heavy checks w/paint get the retro.



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User currently offlineDLSLC From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 88 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3200 times:

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 2):
Can't answer the "why" ... but I believe their last "retro" liveries were both worn by Ship 102 ...

Yes that's true and I completely forgot about that. Wish they would bring 102 back in service  
Quoting metjetCEO (Reply 4):
I think some would argue that it took so long to get the fleet unified (widget, 2007 livery, flag livery and newest design) that anyone that would bring up the idea of a retro livery would get walked out

That's also a really good point. I had this idea just as I posted the question. It seemed like the transition from 2007 livery to the flag livery took really long. It probably took no longer than others, but around here it seemed those two were always mixed and it was always changing.
Thanks for all the input, I also hope we can see some of those older schemes around sometime soon.


User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 556 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3144 times:

Quoting B727FA (Reply 23):
Is it just me, or does the 319/320 generally wear ANY livery pretty well? It seems as though all the US retros look good on the 319, regardless of the type of plane it was first on.


Having designed repaints for Flight Sim for both the A32x and 737 family, I think liveries transfer best to the 737.

As for Pan Am. I have been looking into this lately due to the fact I want to acquire and restore a DC-7C into a Pan Am plane.

I thought maybe I would have to have permission to do so, but then I started looking into things. Pan Am Systems (the new Pan Am Railroad) is technically not Pan American World Airways. Previously they did have a Pan Am airlines, but they were shut down by the FAA and certificates were permanently removed. So there is no way a Pan American World Airways can ever again be flown with the Pan Am Systems holding company.

So then I started looking into trademark laws. Trademarks are not ever lasting. If the trademark is not used, it can be canceled as well, normally after 5 years of non-use, at which point another party can request the trademark. The last Pan Am airline closed over 5 years ago.

The thing I don't know about however, is since they purchased the entire corporate profile/trade mark of Pan American World Airways (All logos, specific Colors, names, etc), can individual pieces be used freely due to the fact that they are not being used by Pan Am Systems.

Also there was a part about the same thing being used in completely different areas. For example, having an airplane painted in Pan Am colors using the same logos would have no bad affect on Pan Am systems nor cause Customer confusion.

Personally, my non-legal opinion would say that anyone can paint an aircraft that has Pan American World Airways on it due to there being no other airlines named that and logos and colors would be free to use due to non-use by Pan Am Systems.



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25 Dalmd88 : I would love to see one of the 1950's liveries like those on the DC7 or old prop Convairs. It has always been one of my favorite schemes.
26 B727FA : Interesting. Any particular reason you find that to be true? Maybe b/c so many a/c through the years have had the same profile and lines?
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