MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31115 posts, RR: 74 Posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5655 times:
Taking a play out of the Gol playbook, where third-country airlines are allowed to add service to the drastically underserved Miami-Venezuela market, Aerolineas Argentinas has announced plans for a second-daily flight to Miami. The flight will be a daylight service to Buenos Aires, and will operate via Caracas on a daily basis later this year. No exact start date has been announced, however.
jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7342 posts, RR: 7 Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5399 times:
Is it an A340 or a 737-700 for the day flight ? AR does fly a 737-700 nonstop to Bogota from EZE so CCS by 737 is possible.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11201 posts, RR: 61 Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5308 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter): Taking a play out of the Gol playbook, where third-country airlines are allowed to add service to the drastically underserved Miami-Venezuela market, Aerolineas Argentinas has announced plans for a second-daily flight to Miami. The flight will be a daylight service to Buenos Aires, and will operate via Caracas on a daily basis later this year. No exact start date has been announced, however.
Interesting to see this. It would be a B-73G / 738 flight ?
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jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7342 posts, RR: 7 Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5243 times:
Quoting something (Reply 3): I am actually extremely surprised that quasi communism Venezuela would liberate their aviation market to this extent.
Quoting something (Reply 3): I am actually extremely surprised that quasi communism Venezuela would liberate their aviation market to this extent.
The US and Venezuela is having a "dissagrement" over landing rights so they screw AA and the USA limits Santa Barbara Airlines on the Miami-Caracas route.
MD13 From Venezuela, joined Dec 2006, 22 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5149 times:
As a passenger, I hope both AR and G3 get access to the route and start daily flights as has been announced, and bring down prices a little bit. But it will be interesting to see how long it takes before the Venezuelan government stops approving fifth freedom flights on CCS-MIA by foreign carriers, and give AA what they want so that the Venezuelan carriers also start adding flights to Miami/Fort Lauderdale.
something From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 24 Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5112 times:
Quoting MD13 (Reply 5): But it will be interesting to see how long it takes before the Venezuelan government stops approving fifth freedom flights on CCS-MIA by foreign carriers, and give AA what they want so that the Venezuelan carriers also start adding flights to Miami/Fort Lauderdale.
Maybe they revenue-share with them so that flying on their own metal would be of no economic advantage to them.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31115 posts, RR: 74 Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4887 times:
It will be an A340, of course. Instead of having an A340 parked at MIA all day, the A340 will leave Miami in the morning and operate a daylight to EZE via Caracas.
rojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2395 posts, RR: 10 Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4800 times:
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1): Is it an A340 or a 737-700 for the day flight ? AR does fly a 737-700 nonstop to Bogota from EZE so CCS by 737 is possible.
CM has been flying EZE-PTY with B73G's and B738's which is 3,313mi, therefore, a B73G on the EZE-CCS route will not be a problem since it is only 3,173mi.
ROSWELL41 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 576 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3073 times:
Does this still require US government approval? Given that the Venezuelan government refuses to approve new US entrants into Venezuela, I hope the US DOT can hold this route from happening. No more foreign airlines should be allowed until NK gets approval for CCS.
gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5217 posts, RR: 6 Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3052 times:
Quoting ROSWELL41 (Reply 12): Does this still require US government approval?
I assume so, BUT it will be approval in terms of the USA/Argentina bi-lateral (ie does AR have rights from the USA to operate via CCS), USA/Venezuela considerations are irrelevant unless the USA wants start a dispute with Argentina, which seems unlikely.
jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7342 posts, RR: 7 Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2945 times:
Quoting rojo (Reply 9): CM has been flying EZE-PTY with B73G's and B738's which is 3,313mi, therefore, a B73G on the EZE-CCS route will not be a problem since it is only 3,173mi
I am aware of the LONG uses Copa has with 737NG's, I didn't say it could NOT be done, I just want to know if AR was going to use a 737-700 ?
ROSWELL41 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 576 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2861 times:
Quoting gemuser (Reply 13): I assume so, BUT it will be approval in terms of the USA/Argentina bi-lateral (ie does AR have rights from the USA to operate via CCS), USA/Venezuela considerations are irrelevant unless the USA wants start a dispute with Argentina, which seems unlikely.
Does anyone know if this is approved under the US/Argentina bilateral agreement? Where can one find copies of all of these agreements?
OB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2966 posts, RR: 8 Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2302 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8): It will be an A340, of course. Instead of having an A340 parked at MIA all day, the A340 will leave Miami in the morning and operate a daylight to EZE via Caracas.
Good way to increase aircraft utilization, like LAN's daylight SCL-xxx-MIA flights, where the stop changes depending on the day of the week.
Any updates on Spirit's rumored FLL-CCS-EZE flight?
NASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3081 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1688 times:
gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5217 posts, RR: 6 Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1660 times:
Quoting ROSWELL41 (Reply 15): Does anyone know if this is approved under the US/Argentina bilateral agreement? Where can one find copies of all of these agreements?
They are on the State Department's web site, along with most (all?) other international treaties that the USA has concluded.
2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 1997 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1503 times:
AR launching MIA-CCS-EZE and EZE-CCS-MIA daytime is a reaction to G3 GRU-CCS-MIA or was it planned long before G3 thought of the CCS-MIA tag-on?
An A340 on the MIA-CCS-MIA will sure add a lot of capacity and will most likely do quite well but Could CCS-EZE O/D support a daily A340 service?
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15722 posts, RR: 47 Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1451 times:
Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 20): AR launching MIA-CCS-EZE and EZE-CCS-MIA daytime is a reaction to G3 GRU-CCS-MIA
You think AR is that thoughtful? I think they saw they had spare time in MIA and looked at what others are doing such as LA's MIA tags and G3's hops.
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8): It will be an A340, of course. Instead of having an A340 parked at MIA all day, the A340 will leave Miami in the morning and operate a daylight to EZE via Caracas.
jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7342 posts, RR: 7 Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1432 times:
Quoting OB1504 (Reply 16): Any updates on Spirit's rumored FLL-CCS-EZE flight?
Spirit wants to fly to Caracas, but never have I heard Buenos Aires. AN A320 from FLL to EZE no matter how cheap seems unlikely.
ROSWELL41 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 576 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1231 times:
Hopefully NK will be allowed to start CCS. They will hopefully be able to put a dent in AR and G3's business on that route.
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