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AR To Go Double Daily To MIA; Daylight Via CCS  
User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32777 posts, RR: 72
Posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6880 times:

Taking a play out of the Gol playbook, where third-country airlines are allowed to add service to the drastically underserved Miami-Venezuela market, Aerolineas Argentinas has announced plans for a second-daily flight to Miami. The flight will be a daylight service to Buenos Aires, and will operate via Caracas on a daily basis later this year. No exact start date has been announced, however.

http://www.mensajeroweb.com.ar/index...lan-de-vuelos-internacionales-2012

Now how long until a Caribbean carrier does XXX-VLN-MIA?


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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8370 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6624 times:
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Is it an A340 or a 737-700 for the day flight ? AR does fly a 737-700 nonstop to Bogota from EZE so CCS by 737 is possible.

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6533 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Taking a play out of the Gol playbook, where third-country airlines are allowed to add service to the drastically underserved Miami-Venezuela market, Aerolineas Argentinas has announced plans for a second-daily flight to Miami. The flight will be a daylight service to Buenos Aires, and will operate via Caracas on a daily basis later this year. No exact start date has been announced, however.

Interesting to see this. It would be a B-73G / 738 flight ?



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User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6505 times:

I am actually extremely surprised that quasi communism Venezuela would liberate their aviation market to this extent.


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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8370 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6468 times:
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Quoting something (Reply 3):
I am actually extremely surprised that quasi communism Venezuela would liberate their aviation market to this extent.
Quoting something (Reply 3):
I am actually extremely surprised that quasi communism Venezuela would liberate their aviation market to this extent.

The US and Venezuela is having a "dissagrement" over landing rights so they screw AA and the USA limits Santa Barbara Airlines on the Miami-Caracas route.


User currently offlineMD13 From Venezuela, joined Dec 2006, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6374 times:

As a passenger, I hope both AR and G3 get access to the route and start daily flights as has been announced, and bring down prices a little bit. But it will be interesting to see how long it takes before the Venezuelan government stops approving fifth freedom flights on CCS-MIA by foreign carriers, and give AA what they want so that the Venezuelan carriers also start adding flights to Miami/Fort Lauderdale.

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6348 times:

thats great news, really hoping GOL and AR get all rights...

would be nice if AR would use the A340 on the route



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User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6337 times:

Quoting MD13 (Reply 5):
But it will be interesting to see how long it takes before the Venezuelan government stops approving fifth freedom flights on CCS-MIA by foreign carriers, and give AA what they want so that the Venezuelan carriers also start adding flights to Miami/Fort Lauderdale.

Maybe they revenue-share with them so that flying on their own metal would be of no economic advantage to them.



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32777 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6112 times:

It will be an A340, of course. Instead of having an A340 parked at MIA all day, the A340 will leave Miami in the morning and operate a daylight to EZE via Caracas.


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User currently offlinerojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 6025 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
Is it an A340 or a 737-700 for the day flight ? AR does fly a 737-700 nonstop to Bogota from EZE so CCS by 737 is possible.

CM has been flying EZE-PTY with B73G's and B738's which is 3,313mi, therefore, a B73G on the EZE-CCS route will not be a problem since it is only 3,173mi.


User currently offlinepoh2 From Venezuela, joined Oct 2003, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4791 times:

Great news!!!

Hope it actually happens, not like the AA MIA-VLN route which came so close only to be axed by Venezuela govt at the last minute.

By the way, any news on that? Any chance AA managed to sort it out?



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User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6203 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4715 times:
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The current AR flight to CCS is an A340, so this second one shuld be to, especially since the idea is to add capacity from CCS to MIA.


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User currently offlineROSWELL41 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 781 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4298 times:

Does this still require US government approval? Given that the Venezuelan government refuses to approve new US entrants into Venezuela, I hope the US DOT can hold this route from happening. No more foreign airlines should be allowed until NK gets approval for CCS.

User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5658 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4277 times:

Quoting ROSWELL41 (Reply 12):
Does this still require US government approval?

I assume so, BUT it will be approval in terms of the USA/Argentina bi-lateral (ie does AR have rights from the USA to operate via CCS), USA/Venezuela considerations are irrelevant unless the USA wants start a dispute with Argentina, which seems unlikely.

Gemuser



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8370 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4170 times:
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Quoting rojo (Reply 9):
CM has been flying EZE-PTY with B73G's and B738's which is 3,313mi, therefore, a B73G on the EZE-CCS route will not be a problem since it is only 3,173mi

I am aware of the LONG uses Copa has with 737NG's, I didn't say it could NOT be done, I just want to know if AR was going to use a 737-700 ?


User currently offlineROSWELL41 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 781 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4086 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 13):
I assume so, BUT it will be approval in terms of the USA/Argentina bi-lateral (ie does AR have rights from the USA to operate via CCS), USA/Venezuela considerations are irrelevant unless the USA wants start a dispute with Argentina, which seems unlikely.

Does anyone know if this is approved under the US/Argentina bilateral agreement? Where can one find copies of all of these agreements?


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3345 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3527 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
It will be an A340, of course. Instead of having an A340 parked at MIA all day, the A340 will leave Miami in the morning and operate a daylight to EZE via Caracas.

Good way to increase aircraft utilization, like LAN's daylight SCL-xxx-MIA flights, where the stop changes depending on the day of the week.

Any updates on Spirit's rumored FLL-CCS-EZE flight?


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2913 times:

When is AR getting the A340-600s?

User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5331 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2910 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 17):

When is AR getting the A340-600s?

They aren't. While it was certainly rumoured weather it was ever official or not I don't no. They took additional A343s instead.


User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5658 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

Quoting ROSWELL41 (Reply 15):
Does anyone know if this is approved under the US/Argentina bilateral agreement? Where can one find copies of all of these agreements?

They are on the State Department's web site, along with most (all?) other international treaties that the USA has concluded.

Gemuser



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2622 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2728 times:

AR launching MIA-CCS-EZE and EZE-CCS-MIA daytime is a reaction to G3 GRU-CCS-MIA or was it planned long before G3 thought of the CCS-MIA tag-on?
An A340 on the MIA-CCS-MIA will sure add a lot of capacity and will most likely do quite well but Could CCS-EZE O/D support a daily A340 service?



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17489 posts, RR: 45
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2676 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 20):
AR launching MIA-CCS-EZE and EZE-CCS-MIA daytime is a reaction to G3 GRU-CCS-MIA

You think AR is that thoughtful? I think they saw they had spare time in MIA and looked at what others are doing such as LA's MIA tags and G3's hops.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
It will be an A340, of course. Instead of having an A340 parked at MIA all day, the A340 will leave Miami in the morning and operate a daylight to EZE via Caracas.

What are the odds this actually starts?



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8370 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2657 times:
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Quoting OB1504 (Reply 16):
Any updates on Spirit's rumored FLL-CCS-EZE flight?

Spirit wants to fly to Caracas, but never have I heard Buenos Aires. AN A320 from FLL to EZE no matter how cheap seems unlikely.


User currently offlineROSWELL41 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 781 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2456 times:

Hopefully NK will be allowed to start CCS. They will hopefully be able to put a dent in AR and G3's business on that route.

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