I am sorry I have been away for a while, so I don't have a lot of updates to start the thread, but please continue from where we left off;
-Quality of service/credit card issues with TK and its website
-TK suspending Syria flights for April
-Sunexpress, AJet, TK issues
-TK latest logojet.
Warning to all, there will be few April's Fools jokes, beware!!!
Thanks for everyone visiting our threads and keeping them informative and fun for all these years.
as already mentioned in previous months thread, XQ and AJA joining their domestic ops. the first two aircraft, TC-SAC and TC-SAD (both B737-700 ex AJA) have been transfered to XQ. XQ is operating them on behalf of Anadolujet mainly ex. ESB. the plan is to transfer the whole AJA fleet to XQ.
Turkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12758 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
During the 12-months some 125,000 passengers were flown in market with an average load factor of 76%.
Quite impressive. Is there any plans to further increase capacity to that region (beside the newly introduced daily flights)? Maybe a new route to SFO? Is the it possible to estimate how many passengers are feeded for the LAX-IST line and from where?
ASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 779 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12588 times:
Quoting dennys (Reply 2): Not to mension that the A340-300 are now being repainted with the new Logo !!
I have been thinking about this for a while ... how can TK get rid of the A343s in the middle of an expansion, while not many new wide bodies are expected? Only a few more A333s are still to be delivered ... if I'm correct. So it makes sense that they have decided to keep the quads longer. Any confirmation on that?
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26019 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12561 times:
Well LAX loads have exceeded initial forecast. As some might remember due to demand TK even increased frequency in the middle of the winter which is quite unusual for Atlantic flights.
As far as composition of passengers, there is very little US connections on the LAX end, its almost completely local traffic. I suspect much of the Western US instead connects via places like ORD and IAD. Keep in mind until recent TK had zero domestic code-shares at LAX except to JFK on UA. Only now there is a single SFO flight on UA.
In total passengers about 50% is Turkey destined with other 50% beyond connections. Very diverse list of beyond markets from LAX however the bigger ones are Iran, Gulf states, Levent region, Ethiopia, Egypt, Pakistan, CIS. Strangely I’ve even seen people with reservations to places like AMS and FRA on TK, due to competitive fares (including in premium classes).
For growth, from what I am told by TK management, there is a shortage of widebody capacity. But eventually if there were no restrictions, certainly even a second daily flight could be considered. I mean if JFK is 3x now, why not 2x at LAX. Many other foreign airlines have double daily services here, so TK should be able to do ok with the wide variety of beyond markets it offers.
For a San Francisco direct flight, sure I guess that might be an option one day, however keep in mind the SF market is only about 50% the size of LA, so TK would have to rely much more on United to help with lots of feed from the Western US.
It seems to me there are more opportunities in the Eastern US at the moment then opening SFO in the next few years.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
vincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12446 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7): Strangely I’ve even seen people with reservations to places like AMS and FRA on TK, due to competitive fares (including in premium classes).
I'm about to book my trip to Europe (CDG/AMS) and deciding between time (AF Premium Voyageur - saves at least one working/traveling day) and money (TK Comfort - $400 cheaper than AF) so this is not odd at all. Furthermore, once you reach Elite status, your miles multiply.
IMO the top priority now for TK is sorting out the mess at IST, flight (TK9) to LAX was late everyday last week (It's an hour late today - just look at all flights around midnight and 11am-noon departure banks). At this point any transit/connection through IST for me will be at least 6 hours, overnight, or 2 day stopover. Then if any additional gateways to North America, they should be DTW and YUL (even if TK can only receive 3 weekly YUL).
bahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1817 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12420 times:
I flew IST - ESB yesterday .. I was booked at 7 pm flight and we arrived into ESB around 11:20 pm...
Today I was supposed to return with 9pm flight which was delayed to 11 pm (turns out eventually it departed around 11:45 pm) .. I was able to secure a spot on TK 's 6 pm departure flight which was delayed to 8:40 pm..
Last couple of days the excuse was the southwestern winds at Ataturk Airport (lodos) but since yesterday the airport has been turned around with northern ops. Delays still continue.. Pretty much every arrival from outside of the country is delayed by an hour or two..
I think it's time for TK to shape up the on time performance..
ASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 779 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 12350 times:
Quoting vincewy (Reply 9): Then if any additional gateways to North America, they should be DTW and YUL (even if TK can only receive 3 weekly YUL).
Great minds think alike! That's exactly what I was hoping for - DTW and YUL are more appropriate for new North American destinations ... compared to the buzz regarding BOS, MIA, etc. Something like YUL for 3w and DTW for 4w would be great starts!
ISTGRU From Australia, joined Jun 2011, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12324 times:
Quoting bahadir (Reply 10): I think it's time for TK to shape up the on time performance..
I could not agree more. The late night departure bank from IST has been a real mess lately with most flights going out significantly late. With the tweaks to the schedules recently, connection times for many of the Europe to Middle East and Asia flights have been reduced to about an hour or 90 minutes - this is fine for LH at MUC or LX at ZHR but it now seems that most late night Asia departures now go out with at least a 2 hour delay, presumably as they wait for connecting passengers. Im currently based in Kiev and our evening departure moved a week ago from 1810 to 2120 (arriving in IST at 2320 in time for the late night connection bank) - this flight has left KBP with a 2 hour delay nearly everyday last week. This evening departure always carries a huge number of connecting passengers - it always amazes me to see where people are connecting to from Kiev (basically everywhere across the network) - so it must make for stressed passengers and crew.
TurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1452 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12288 times:
IST has been a mess the last few days. Almost all the flights are delayed by at least 1 to 2 hours. There was even a CPT flight delayed for 12 hours the other day. As other have stated, this situation started around the time they changed departure and arrival banks last week. The high winds of yesterday did not help either...
TYCOON From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 416 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12230 times:
I can confirm that operations at TK are horrible ... I was on the TK020 IST-PEK that left 2 hours late early morning hours of 31 March... I was connecting from CDG (that flight was 1 hour late). The airport was a zoo, and the lounge disgusting, dirty and not cleaned up... so almost all tables in the lounge were cluttered with garbage at around 1 am.
And to make matters all the worse, they lost my luggage in transit... I was flying business class and plenty of time to make the connection from CDG (over 3 hours)... and the CDG aircraft literally parked right next to the PEK one!!
Still no news on my luggage... they haven't found it!! Difficult way to start a two week holiday in Asia!
HB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4513 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12153 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7): For growth, from what I am told by TK management, there is a shortage of widebody capacity.
And no solution in sight for that problem. An A333 was recently added, but one the A343s was parked with another one to follow as the next A333 will be delivered. That leaves a nett growth of one more A333 after that for this with nothing additional planned. Yet, the airline keeps on announcing longhaul growth. The list of planned additional longhaul routes is almost endless by now. TK needs to move on additional widebody capacity and needs to do it fast, for sure if additional A343s are planned for withdrawal.
leftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12110 times:
I think that a little more growth is possible with 739s arriving and possibly taking over a few routes from 333 or 332s. But still, TK needs new widebody orders. I also think that more 77Ws might be too much for the thinner routes planned, so they need smaller planes like more 333s or 787s
Web From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12025 times:
Not really knowing a whole lot about TK's fleet strategy or the global used airframe market, I wonder if TK wouldn't benefit from picking up some 772s (non-ER) that SQ, UA, et al have been unloading. They share commonality with their 77Ws, they could be used on the shorter routes that the 332 and 333 are put on (Europe, Middle East), freeing those birds to do longer routes, and (I think) they could be acquired relatively inexpensively. Not to mention, one 772 could do the work of 2x 737/A320, reducing congestion at IST. Thoughts?
MeCe From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11941 times:
I think TK should add more A330-200 to its fleet. It is perfect plane for thin long routes, readily available and common fleet with existing. A333 may sound good AFAIK weight restricted to outbound US flights. There is no mention fly a big plane with restriction in my mind but it is TK. everything is possible
Adding second hand 777 to fleet will be suicide for TK. They are never good dealing about buying or selling (giving back) old planes. Remember camel action And an old 777 will have different cabin;while there are enough complaints about TK's cabin difference adding another different cabin sounds not good to me.
ISTGRU From Australia, joined Jun 2011, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11888 times:
Quoting Web (Reply 18): They share commonality with their 77Ws, they could be used on the shorter routes that the 332 and 333 are put on (Europe, Middle East)
The wide body fleet used on medium haul fights are generally doing turn arounds between long haul flights. For example, the current Asia schedule is based upon night flights ex IST (arriving in Asia mid-afternoon) and return flights ex Asia that arrive in IST early morning, meaning that these birds are free for a Europe turn around during daylight hours.
Quoting Web (Reply 18): Not to mention, one 772 could do the work of 2x 737/A320, reducing congestion at IST.
TK needs to have multiple daily flights to key European cites to be competitive and feed its multiple connection banks. The 321 is a great bird for TK for key European routes.
Im a huge TK fan and generally love to fly the airline - however, like many TK fans, I get extra annoyed when I see really obvious lapses in service delivery. My current gripe - expat outstation ground staff. In KBP (12 x flights a week) there are 3 (that I know of) of these guys as ground crew - and let me tell you they know nothing about customer service. LH have 5 x daily flights into KBP and oversee ground ops with a group of well groomed, professional, multi-lingual local ground staff with not a grumpy old German in sight. There is no reason why TK cant do the same.
MeCe From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11852 times:
Quoting ISTGRU (Reply 21): The wide body fleet used on medium haul fights are generally doing turnarounds between long haul flights. For example, the current Asia schedule is based upon night flights ex IST (arriving in Asia mid-afternoon) and return flights ex Asia that arrive in IST early morning, meaning that these birds are free for a Europe turn around during daylight hours.
Actually not like this. Most of asian flights arrive early morning like 4-5 am. Birds sits until late morning to noon, then they go westbound long haul flights. If arriving plane count more than west bound flight, it may stay until 11 pm eastbound long haul flights. It is possible see a 777 on european sector with this schedule but will be less possible GRU and YYZ flights goes daily.
Scheduling is clearly very complex and I probably over-simplified it. However it remains that planes doing Asia night services (which generally leave IST late night and arrive back in IST early morning approx. 30 hours later) often do turn arounds to key European cities during daylight hours. As you say, some instead come from Asia early morning and then go to the Americas at mid-morning/ noon. This site tracks the movements of each TK plane: http://data.flight24.com/airplanes/turkish-airlines-thy/ Its difficult to make general statements about scheduling because of its complexity, however common patters do evolve if you track flight history.
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4461 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11798 times:
Quoting tcm (Reply 19): The inflight product still puts most carriers to shame
Just got an email this morning from TK350. He says his flight on AC 773 on the way US-Europe and eventually to IST was terrible, service terrible, plane not in good shape. He took the LAX-IST flight last summer and ended up with a Y to J upgrade. He says never again AC.
: I have heard, for what anecdotal talk is worth, that they are doing well on YYZ. I do know of some J class pax transited TK to YYZ; they really liked
: YYZ is indeed doing good, hence why the largest possible frame the 777-300ER was placed on the route, however TK's hands are tied due to the bilateral
: Actually saw a TK A340 a couple of weeks ago, and a TK A330 last week departing from ADA. What a nice surprise! Can't help but wonder why though... An
: I guess they were umrah charters going to JED or MED..
: The new traffic stats for March are out. IST growth for 2012 still over 20%. Passenger number increase compared to the same period last year by 1.66 m
: Which are the wide bodies that are being used for North America? I know JFK, LAX, YYZ get all 77Ws. Looks like Chicago is getting the 332 today - and
: You are ALL correct. ORD, IAD demand is not there. As discussed before 77Ws are needed elsewhere.
: ACT Airlines applied to the US DOT to be granted a foreign air carrier permit, and for permission to operate cargo charter flights between Turkey and
: I was hardly impressed by the much talked about TK in-flight service. The flight attendants on both legs CDG-IST and IST-PEK were not exactly bubbling
: 16% growth in domestic, 26% (!) for international. Of the 2.53m additional pax for the first 3 months, 1.65m was at IST and additional 0.25m was at S
: If we take the numbers of 04/2011-03/2012 only, IST has overtaken MUC for sure! In the period 01/2011-12/2011 MUC had approx. 310.000 pax more than I
: BMI is now leaving Star Allaince as of April 18th 2012 because the airline is acquired by BA. BA is putting codeshares on most of current BD network t
: Freebird Airlines will launch twice weekly flights from Antalya to Belgrade. Flights are to be operated on Mondays and Thursdays arriving in Belgrade
: After MGQ, ABJ and KGL, TK has loaded Kinshasa (FIH) into the system. Starts as 4 flights a week on 27 August, goes up to 5 weekly on 27 September. Ot
: TK launches 4w flights to Kinshasa/DR Congo TK 671 IST18.20-FIH23.50 x246 TK 672 FIH00.50-IST10.05 x357 with B739 aircraft. First flight 27th of augus
: First Boeing 737-800 landing to Alanya Gazipasa Airport. After giving 4C category to Gazipasa, Corendon became first airline operating with Boeing 737
: Here you are take off from Gazipasa with Boeing 737-800 (Corendon): http://youtu.be/ElKGW-emf_8
: add Lusaka, Luanda and Oran to the list....
: Oh yes, my bad. Of those Luanda seems less likely, with so much competition (SU, AF, BA, SN, EK, ET, IB, KL, KQ, LH, SA, TP...). Lusaka is only serve
: Luanda seems most likely subject to government approval. Highly restricted but very high yield traffic...
: Boeing 787 has just landed to IST rwy 05... Great bird!
: ZA003 will spend 5 days in Istanbul before heading to Madrid. Good opportunity for THY to kick the tires on the aircraft a few times...
: Hi everyone, TK started to have additional problems related to on-time performance since they revised the schedule. I really do not know the reason (s
: Dear all, With the operational issues impacting Ataturk airport both in winter and also with the busy summer period coming, should Tk plan to use ESB
: Yesterday, I was on 787 cockpit during landing to Istanbul. The aircraft will stay until 11th of April and will make some demo flights: Moskow Vnukovo
: Lucky you!! Thanks for all the great videos from Alanya and 787. Is this pretty common for 787 to visit a city for 5 days? Demo flights for TK? Who w
: Hope TK management is finally swept off their feet by seeing and feeling this beautiful bird in person and promptly signs up to get the 25 787s cancel
: Very nice video and experience thanks for posting the link.
: Any ideas why TK11/12 IST-JFK (second flight) switched to A333 for the last 3 days? Strange since this is Easter/Passover weekend?
: Looks like TK11 is delayed almost 2 hours, why Istanbul having such difficult time? According to the TK website TK11 took off at 19:10, in fact it too
: Prime minister's visit to China. He's using a 77w for that trip