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Turkish Aviation April 2012  
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4977 posts, RR: 11
Posted (4 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 14158 times:

Hello everyone,
Let's start this months thread with this awesome picture;

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I am sorry I have been away for a while, so I don't have a lot of updates to start the thread, but please continue from where we left off;
-Quality of service/credit card issues with TK and its website
-TK suspending Syria flights for April
-Sunexpress, AJet, TK issues
-TK latest logojet.

Warning to all, there will be few April's Fools jokes, beware!!!

Thanks for everyone visiting our threads and keeping them informative and fun for all these years.

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User currently offlinestylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 3138 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 14120 times:

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
Sunexpress, AJet, TK issues

as already mentioned in previous months thread, XQ and AJA joining their domestic ops. the first two aircraft, TC-SAC and TC-SAD (both B737-700 ex AJA) have been transfered to XQ. XQ is operating them on behalf of Anadolujet mainly ex. ESB. the plan is to transfer the whole AJA fleet to XQ.

User currently offlinedennys From France, joined May 2001, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 1 hour ago) and read 14021 times:

Not to mension that the A340-300 are now being repainted with the new Logo !!

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 29005 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month ago) and read 14007 times:

THY celebrated its 1-year anniversary of LAX services this week.

Brand ambassador Kobe Bryant was on hand for the celebrations.

During the 12-months some 125,000 passengers were flown in market with an average load factor of 76%.

From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 30011 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 13891 times:

Thanks for the new thread. Nice choice of photo also , great pic .

User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 647 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13859 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):

During the 12-months some 125,000 passengers were flown in market with an average load factor of 76%.

Quite impressive. Is there any plans to further increase capacity to that region (beside the newly introduced daily flights)? Maybe a new route to SFO? Is the it possible to estimate how many passengers are feeded for the LAX-IST line and from where?

User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 1068 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13689 times:

Quoting dennys (Reply 2):
Not to mension that the A340-300 are now being repainted with the new Logo !!

I have been thinking about this for a while ... how can TK get rid of the A343s in the middle of an expansion, while not many new wide bodies are expected? Only a few more A333s are still to be delivered ... if I'm correct. So it makes sense that they have decided to keep the quads longer. Any confirmation on that?

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 29005 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13662 times:

Well LAX loads have exceeded initial forecast. As some might remember due to demand TK even increased frequency in the middle of the winter which is quite unusual for Atlantic flights.

As far as composition of passengers, there is very little US connections on the LAX end, its almost completely local traffic. I suspect much of the Western US instead connects via places like ORD and IAD. Keep in mind until recent TK had zero domestic code-shares at LAX except to JFK on UA. Only now there is a single SFO flight on UA.

In total passengers about 50% is Turkey destined with other 50% beyond connections. Very diverse list of beyond markets from LAX however the bigger ones are Iran, Gulf states, Levent region, Ethiopia, Egypt, Pakistan, CIS. Strangely I’ve even seen people with reservations to places like AMS and FRA on TK, due to competitive fares (including in premium classes).

For growth, from what I am told by TK management, there is a shortage of widebody capacity. But eventually if there were no restrictions, certainly even a second daily flight could be considered. I mean if JFK is 3x now, why not 2x at LAX. Many other foreign airlines have double daily services here, so TK should be able to do ok with the wide variety of beyond markets it offers.

For a San Francisco direct flight, sure I guess that might be an option one day, however keep in mind the SF market is only about 50% the size of LA, so TK would have to rely much more on United to help with lots of feed from the Western US.
It seems to me there are more opportunities in the Eastern US at the moment then opening SFO in the next few years.

From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlinetozbek From Turkey, joined Jul 2005, 126 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13653 times:

Maybe we can add to April for THY the final financial results of 2011...

User currently offlinevincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 13547 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):
Strangely I’ve even seen people with reservations to places like AMS and FRA on TK, due to competitive fares (including in premium classes).

I'm about to book my trip to Europe (CDG/AMS) and deciding between time (AF Premium Voyageur - saves at least one working/traveling day) and money (TK Comfort - $400 cheaper than AF) so this is not odd at all. Furthermore, once you reach Elite status, your miles multiply.

IMO the top priority now for TK is sorting out the mess at IST, flight (TK9) to LAX was late everyday last week (It's an hour late today - just look at all flights around midnight and 11am-noon departure banks). At this point any transit/connection through IST for me will be at least 6 hours, overnight, or 2 day stopover. Then if any additional gateways to North America, they should be DTW and YUL (even if TK can only receive 3 weekly YUL).

User currently offlinebahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1971 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13521 times:

I flew IST - ESB yesterday .. I was booked at 7 pm flight and we arrived into ESB around 11:20 pm...
Today I was supposed to return with 9pm flight which was delayed to 11 pm (turns out eventually it departed around 11:45 pm) .. I was able to secure a spot on TK 's 6 pm departure flight which was delayed to 8:40 pm..

Last couple of days the excuse was the southwestern winds at Ataturk Airport (lodos) but since yesterday the airport has been turned around with northern ops. Delays still continue.. Pretty much every arrival from outside of the country is delayed by an hour or two..

I think it's time for TK to shape up the on time performance..

Earthbound misfit I
User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 1068 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13451 times:

Quoting vincewy (Reply 9):
Then if any additional gateways to North America, they should be DTW and YUL (even if TK can only receive 3 weekly YUL).

Great minds think alike! That's exactly what I was hoping for - DTW and YUL are more appropriate for new North American destinations ... compared to the buzz regarding BOS, MIA, etc. Something like YUL for 3w and DTW for 4w would be great starts!

User currently offlineISTGRU From Australia, joined Jun 2011, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13425 times:

Quoting bahadir (Reply 10):
I think it's time for TK to shape up the on time performance..

I could not agree more. The late night departure bank from IST has been a real mess lately with most flights going out significantly late. With the tweaks to the schedules recently, connection times for many of the Europe to Middle East and Asia flights have been reduced to about an hour or 90 minutes - this is fine for LH at MUC or LX at ZHR but it now seems that most late night Asia departures now go out with at least a 2 hour delay, presumably as they wait for connecting passengers. Im currently based in Kiev and our evening departure moved a week ago from 1810 to 2120 (arriving in IST at 2320 in time for the late night connection bank) - this flight has left KBP with a 2 hour delay nearly everyday last week. This evening departure always carries a huge number of connecting passengers - it always amazes me to see where people are connecting to from Kiev (basically everywhere across the network) - so it must make for stressed passengers and crew.

User currently offlineTurkishWings From Turkey, joined May 2006, 1459 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 13389 times:

IST has been a mess the last few days. Almost all the flights are delayed by at least 1 to 2 hours. There was even a CPT flight delayed for 12 hours the other day. As other have stated, this situation started around the time they changed departure and arrival banks last week. The high winds of yesterday did not help either...

Some delay data from yesterday:

TK 1 - IST-JFK: 1:35 hrs
TK 11 - IST-JFK: 1:25 hrs
TK 9 - IST-LAX: 1:10 hrs
TK 50 IST-NRT: 1:40 hrs
TK 17 - IST-YYZ: 6 hrs
TK 40 - IST-JNB 6 hrs
TK 68 - IST-BKK: 3:15 hrs

And the list goes on and on... The main reason for the delays are of course "Late arrival of the scheduled aircraft"

P.S: As I was posting this, TK20 IST-PEK just took off with a delay of about 9 hours.

Coffee - Tea or Me?
User currently offlineTYCOON From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 508 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 13331 times:

I can confirm that operations at TK are horrible ... I was on the TK020 IST-PEK that left 2 hours late early morning hours of 31 March... I was connecting from CDG (that flight was 1 hour late). The airport was a zoo, and the lounge disgusting, dirty and not cleaned up... so almost all tables in the lounge were cluttered with garbage at around 1 am.
And to make matters all the worse, they lost my luggage in transit... I was flying business class and plenty of time to make the connection from CDG (over 3 hours)... and the CDG aircraft literally parked right next to the PEK one!!
Still no news on my luggage... they haven't found it!! Difficult way to start a two week holiday in Asia!

User currently offlinestylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 3138 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 13318 times:

Quoting TYCOON (Reply 14):
Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 13):
Quoting ISTGRU (Reply 12):
Quoting bahadir (Reply 10):

globally yours... on the way to become 5* !!!

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4650 posts, RR: 70
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 13254 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):
For growth, from what I am told by TK management, there is a shortage of widebody capacity.

And no solution in sight for that problem. An A333 was recently added, but one the A343s was parked with another one to follow as the next A333 will be delivered. That leaves a nett growth of one more A333 after that for this with nothing additional planned. Yet, the airline keeps on announcing longhaul growth. The list of planned additional longhaul routes is almost endless by now. TK needs to move on additional widebody capacity and needs to do it fast, for sure if additional A343s are planned for withdrawal.

User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13211 times:

I think that a little more growth is possible with 739s arriving and possibly taking over a few routes from 333 or 332s. But still, TK needs new widebody orders. I also think that more 77Ws might be too much for the thinner routes planned, so they need smaller planes like more 333s or 787s  

User currently offlineWeb From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 13126 times:

Not really knowing a whole lot about TK's fleet strategy or the global used airframe market, I wonder if TK wouldn't benefit from picking up some 772s (non-ER) that SQ, UA, et al have been unloading. They share commonality with their 77Ws, they could be used on the shorter routes that the 332 and 333 are put on (Europe, Middle East), freeing those birds to do longer routes, and (I think) they could be acquired relatively inexpensively. Not to mention, one 772 could do the work of 2x 737/A320, reducing congestion at IST. Thoughts?

User currently offlinetcm From Turkey, joined Jul 2010, 585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13056 times:

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 15):
globally yours... on the way to become 5* !!!

The inflight product still puts most carriers to shame, so the "schadenfreude" might not last long once they manage to overcome the capacity issues  

User currently offlineMeCe From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13042 times:

I think TK should add more A330-200 to its fleet. It is perfect plane for thin long routes, readily available and common fleet with existing. A333 may sound good AFAIK weight restricted to outbound US flights. There is no mention fly a big plane with restriction in my mind but it is TK. everything is possible  

Adding second hand 777 to fleet will be suicide for TK. They are never good dealing about buying or selling (giving back) old planes. Remember camel action   And an old 777 will have different cabin;while there are enough complaints about TK's cabin difference adding another different cabin sounds not good to me.

User currently offlineISTGRU From Australia, joined Jun 2011, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12989 times:

Quoting Web (Reply 18):
They share commonality with their 77Ws, they could be used on the shorter routes that the 332 and 333 are put on (Europe, Middle East)

The wide body fleet used on medium haul fights are generally doing turn arounds between long haul flights. For example, the current Asia schedule is based upon night flights ex IST (arriving in Asia mid-afternoon) and return flights ex Asia that arrive in IST early morning, meaning that these birds are free for a Europe turn around during daylight hours.

Quoting Web (Reply 18):
Not to mention, one 772 could do the work of 2x 737/A320, reducing congestion at IST.

TK needs to have multiple daily flights to key European cites to be competitive and feed its multiple connection banks. The 321 is a great bird for TK for key European routes.

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 15):
globally yours... on the way to become 5* !!!

Im a huge TK fan and generally love to fly the airline - however, like many TK fans, I get extra annoyed when I see really obvious lapses in service delivery. My current gripe - expat outstation ground staff. In KBP (12 x flights a week) there are 3 (that I know of) of these guys as ground crew - and let me tell you they know nothing about customer service. LH have 5 x daily flights into KBP and oversee ground ops with a group of well groomed, professional, multi-lingual local ground staff with not a grumpy old German in sight. There is no reason why TK cant do the same.

User currently offlineMeCe From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 12953 times:

Quoting ISTGRU (Reply 21):
The wide body fleet used on medium haul fights are generally doing turnarounds between long haul flights. For example, the current Asia schedule is based upon night flights ex IST (arriving in Asia mid-afternoon) and return flights ex Asia that arrive in IST early morning, meaning that these birds are free for a Europe turn around during daylight hours.

Actually not like this. Most of asian flights arrive early morning like 4-5 am. Birds sits until late morning to noon, then they go westbound long haul flights. If arriving plane count more than west bound flight, it may stay until 11 pm eastbound long haul flights. It is possible see a 777 on european sector with this schedule but will be less possible GRU and YYZ flights goes daily.

User currently offlineISTGRU From Australia, joined Jun 2011, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12919 times:

Quoting MeCe (Reply 22):
Actually not like this.

Scheduling is clearly very complex and I probably over-simplified it. However it remains that planes doing Asia night services (which generally leave IST late night and arrive back in IST early morning approx. 30 hours later) often do turn arounds to key European cities during daylight hours. As you say, some instead come from Asia early morning and then go to the Americas at mid-morning/ noon. This site tracks the movements of each TK plane: http://data.flight24.com/airplanes/turkish-airlines-thy/ Its difficult to make general statements about scheduling because of its complexity, however common patters do evolve if you track flight history.

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4977 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12899 times:

Quoting tcm (Reply 19):
The inflight product still puts most carriers to shame

Just got an email this morning from TK350. He says his flight on AC 773 on the way US-Europe and eventually to IST was terrible, service terrible, plane not in good shape. He took the LAX-IST flight last summer and ended up with a Y to J upgrade. He says never again AC.

25 cayman : I have heard, for what anecdotal talk is worth, that they are doing well on YYZ. I do know of some J class pax transited TK to YYZ; they really liked
26 LAXintl : YYZ is indeed doing good, hence why the largest possible frame the 777-300ER was placed on the route, however TK's hands are tied due to the bilateral
27 Post contains images nitepilot79 : Actually saw a TK A340 a couple of weeks ago, and a TK A330 last week departing from ADA. What a nice surprise! Can't help but wonder why though... An
28 emrecan : I guess they were umrah charters going to JED or MED..
29 Turkish350XWB : The new traffic stats for March are out. IST growth for 2012 still over 20%. Passenger number increase compared to the same period last year by 1.66 m
30 ASA : Which are the wide bodies that are being used for North America? I know JFK, LAX, YYZ get all 77Ws. Looks like Chicago is getting the 332 today - and
31 TK787 : You are ALL correct. ORD, IAD demand is not there. As discussed before 77Ws are needed elsewhere.
32 Post contains images LAXintl : ACT Airlines applied to the US DOT to be granted a foreign air carrier permit, and for permission to operate cargo charter flights between Turkey and
33 TYCOON : I was hardly impressed by the much talked about TK in-flight service. The flight attendants on both legs CDG-IST and IST-PEK were not exactly bubbling
34 leftyboarder : 16% growth in domestic, 26% (!) for international. Of the 2.53m additional pax for the first 3 months, 1.65m was at IST and additional 0.25m was at S
35 Turkish350XWB : If we take the numbers of 04/2011-03/2012 only, IST has overtaken MUC for sure! In the period 01/2011-12/2011 MUC had approx. 310.000 pax more than I
36 ankaraflyjet : BMI is now leaving Star Allaince as of April 18th 2012 because the airline is acquired by BA. BA is putting codeshares on most of current BD network t
37 ju068 : Freebird Airlines will launch twice weekly flights from Antalya to Belgrade. Flights are to be operated on Mondays and Thursdays arriving in Belgrade
38 leftyboarder : After MGQ, ABJ and KGL, TK has loaded Kinshasa (FIH) into the system. Starts as 4 flights a week on 27 August, goes up to 5 weekly on 27 September. Ot
39 Turkish350XWB : TK launches 4w flights to Kinshasa/DR Congo TK 671 IST18.20-FIH23.50 x246 TK 672 FIH00.50-IST10.05 x357 with B739 aircraft. First flight 27th of augus
40 Post contains links tozbek : First Boeing 737-800 landing to Alanya Gazipasa Airport. After giving 4C category to Gazipasa, Corendon became first airline operating with Boeing 737
41 Post contains links tozbek : Here you are take off from Gazipasa with Boeing 737-800 (Corendon): http://youtu.be/ElKGW-emf_8
42 TurkishSky : add Lusaka, Luanda and Oran to the list....
43 leftyboarder : Oh yes, my bad. Of those Luanda seems less likely, with so much competition (SU, AF, BA, SN, EK, ET, IB, KL, KQ, LH, SA, TP...). Lusaka is only serve
44 TurkishSky : Luanda seems most likely subject to government approval. Highly restricted but very high yield traffic...
45 emrecan : Boeing 787 has just landed to IST rwy 05... Great bird!
46 Post contains images LAXintl : ZA003 will spend 5 days in Istanbul before heading to Madrid. Good opportunity for THY to kick the tires on the aircraft a few times...
47 NuD38 : Hi everyone, TK started to have additional problems related to on-time performance since they revised the schedule. I really do not know the reason (s
48 trushar : Dear all, With the operational issues impacting Ataturk airport both in winter and also with the busy summer period coming, should Tk plan to use ESB
49 Post contains links tozbek : Yesterday, I was on 787 cockpit during landing to Istanbul. The aircraft will stay until 11th of April and will make some demo flights: Moskow Vnukovo
50 TK787 : Lucky you!! Thanks for all the great videos from Alanya and 787. Is this pretty common for 787 to visit a city for 5 days? Demo flights for TK? Who w
51 Post contains images ASA : Hope TK management is finally swept off their feet by seeing and feeling this beautiful bird in person and promptly signs up to get the 25 787s cancel
52 OA260 : Very nice video and experience thanks for posting the link.
53 TK787 : Any ideas why TK11/12 IST-JFK (second flight) switched to A333 for the last 3 days? Strange since this is Easter/Passover weekend?
54 TK787 : Looks like TK11 is delayed almost 2 hours, why Istanbul having such difficult time? According to the TK website TK11 took off at 19:10, in fact it too
55 robcol99 : Prime minister's visit to China. He's using a 77w for that trip
56 TK787 : Good to be the king.
57 bahadir : His personal 330 should be ready soon.. Will try to non-rev IST-USA tomorrow.. It was a nice experience on the way to here on the 28th on DL 763.. ho
58 TK787 : Baha, good luck with the return, safe travels. I have my parents here returning on TK12 tonight. Looks like there will be a delay but no emails from T
59 tcm : Decided to try out KK to BJV again as TK has significantly hiked prices on their higher fare buckets. What a great surprise. Excellent flight deck cre
60 machnumber : Does anyone know why they parked the 787 at the MNG apron?
61 TK787 : Eventually it was a 2:34 hrs. delay on TK12, JFK-IST last night. At JFK here is what happened; -When we arrived to check in at 22:45, there were no l
62 tcm : Sorry to hear about your troubles, hope everything worked out fine afterwards. BTW, was it the lady with funny glasses? Had a similar experience with
63 TK787 : It wasn't a whole lot of troubles, all is fine, but no she had no funny glasses.
64 Post contains images tcm : Well, I had a similar interaction at JFK TK check-in with a lady in her late 20s or early 30s wearing some interesting eyeware. Her Turkish wasn't ve
65 cuban8 : If TK will consider any secondary hub, it will most probably be Antalya (AYT) which has been considered for several years and has much more passenger
66 Post contains links tcm : TK787, to chear you up; have a look at the 787 in TK livery at the link below; beautiful. See: http://www.airporthaber.com/iste-ruy...ucagin-icinden-k
67 TK787 : From my experiences I really like KK. It looks great, who knows maybe one day!!!
68 Northstar80 : What is KK? Atlasjet? If so, I had nothing but horrible experience with them. I find them very unprofessional and I dont think they will have a brigh
69 Post contains images bahadir : It's funny you mentioned that.. In my business meetings during this visit (yes I did some business meetings while I was there for mom) once I was giv
70 TurkishWings : I also recently flew with DL IST-JFK return and had a very good experience as well... The PTV helped of course and the service level was quite accept
71 Post contains links tozbek : Latest videos of Kokpit Aviation TV Program on 8th April 2012 on CNN TÜRK - THY's newest A320 mock-up and remembering emergency rules: http://youtu.b
72 TK787 : Well, after all, I have to experience TK JFK-IST for myself this week. Question, it is for work and an Istanbul office will buy my ticket. Is there st
73 Turkish350XWB : Strange. IST authorities are changing the security check system again. til a few weeks ago the security checks had been done directly at the gate. a f
74 tcm : AFAIK, if you have a Miles&Smiles account with a flight credit you do not need to show the credit card used for purchasing the ticket. I wold dou
75 Northstar80 : Guys, do you know what happens to Comfort Class passengers when the flight is switched to A330 or A340 from a 77W?
76 Steelyman : Same as if they would be downgraded into non C/CL available aircraft.
77 thereandback : I e-mailed TK complaining about the argumentative and rude service I received via the North American call center and I also complained about the booki
78 Northstar80 : What do you mean? Are passengers downgraded to economy?
79 Post contains images tcm : This is how ticket pricing works and fares can go up or down anytime. This is not exclusive to TK and their "inept" staff. Good luck trying to get a
80 thereandback : It's just annoying when you're on an extremely tight budget. It's not even my main concern, I'm well aware flights later in the summer season are $60
81 Post contains images bahadir : I never look at this from a nationalist perspective.. I don't feel like Turkey conquered Vienna when TK was declared best in Europe, I also don't thi
82 tcm : I think the way the call centre employee treated you is totally unacceptable and your complaint is justified. When I have any problems with TK, I cal
83 Post contains links TK787 : Thereandback, -In the past I used to buy tix, sometimes 9 months in advance but times have changed. I am flying TK JFK-IST in 2 days and they bought m
84 TK787 : Wow, I spoke too soon. Today's alert says lowest fare is on TK by $70 compared to UA. It would be nice to get some Load Factor numbers ( please ) on
85 thereandback : A 77W in that livery would be so cool.
86 LAXintl : Loads have been OK for the winter. Delta averaged mostly in the low 70% range (Feb was worst at 61%) with reduced capacity, and TK slightly higher eve
87 Post contains images ElPistolero : Thats a polite assessment. They're positively catastrophic. I flew them for the first time this past week. The less said the better. Long story short
88 tcm : Well, these security arrangements are required by the respective governments. I'm sure TK would be more than happy to dump the services of Gözen Avi
89 tcm : I was curious about this as well. TK customer service told me the following: either they will rebook you to a flight where Y+ is available or refund
90 ElPistolero : I've flown DEL-YYZ direct and I've flown it through FRA, LHR, AMS. I've never had to deal with such absurd security rules. They put one desk for some
91 Post contains images tcm : The question here is this: Does TK have a say on how the contract security firm handles the screening? Maybe some experts could help with that. Is TK
92 tcm : The following is the EU charter applicable to flights from/to the EU. Maybe TK should adopt something on these lines... Regulation EC 261/2004 Article
93 ElPistolero : Alright, not quite denied boarding, but 9W and AI refunded 50% of my fares when I got downgraded due to equipment swaps. I expect TK to do that, not
94 tcm : I wish you the best of luck and don't worry 77W a/c swaps are not that often. As you will not be transiting; you shouldn't have too much trouble. Hop
95 bahadir : Does anyone know why UAL is : - Starting the IST service so late (July 2nd) instead of sometime in last days of May - Starting the service with 3 clas
96 Post contains links leftyboarder : And already reducing it to 5 weekly in W12, unless advance bookings are that bad? Meanwhile, TK 2011 full year financial results are out. 18m TL prof
97 LAXintl : Yes Due late award of slots (they essentially had given up, until some last minute back office help). Plus need to spool up marketing/sales organizat
98 Post contains links tcm : Let's not forget the controversy regarding the change in accounting currency. Link to the Reuters news bulletin: link: http://www.reuters.com/article
99 TK1244 : If I remember correctly, TK opted to use SAW if they were to split its base at IST. Are SAW and AYT able to allow transfer passengers without much re
100 stylo777 : 11 of my 12 flights within the past two weeks were with TK. There are many many shortcomings which I would like to share with you; however, this would
101 tcm : Sharing our sincere experiences is certainly not "bashing and nit picking". So please tell us your story. The moral is to not to have prejudices. Reg
102 OA260 : I think its fair to highlight your experiences and it wont be deemed ''bashing''. Everyone knows that there are issues with the ground product. I per
103 cuban8 : Do you have a source for this?? If true, I have my doubts it will last very long. It could possibly work for the domestic terminal to get Atlas and O
104 Post contains links gokmengs : Hey guys longtime, hope all is well. I had an eventful flight yesterday with DL 73 that diverted to DUB for security reasons. Here is what I posted on
105 tcm : Hi gokmengs, this was also widely reported on the Turkish media. Hope you'll have better luck next time. What happened to the Iranian girl? Was she o
106 Post contains images OA260 : Interesting experience , Kudos to the younger FA sounds like it should have been the other way around. Indeed these diversions are trying to tell you
107 Post contains images bahadir : gokmen, sorry for your experience.. i am glad things turned out ok.. it's shame that the FA acted like that and it's a shame that Gozen security didn'
108 cuban8 : It is a shame that aviation has come to a point where more or less everything looks suspicious now a days, especially when it comes to things related
109 stylo777 : my very own experience, but nothing official is distributed regarding that. as a matter of fact, the majority of LH, AF, KL, AZ were on an outside po
110 MeCe : These are stupid actions. If you remember many years ago Iran had huge fleet of trucks. They are all over our roads then some of clever politicians t
111 Northstar80 : MeCe, it may be my observation, or only coincidence, but in 90% of my travels to the major cities in Europe, TK planes parked at the remote stand and
112 Post contains images gokmengs : The cost of the diversion with , fuel, landing fees, cost of accomadations for missed connection pax is probably $50K, and no DL will not be able to
113 tcm : BTW, lodos storms are causing havoc at IST. 100 km/hr winds expected; really feel bad for pax/staff at IST...
114 Post contains links FatmirJusufi : TK has already cancelled some flights due to weather conditions. — http://goo.gl/2PCoa
115 stylo777 : To be honest, it doesnt really matter whether you are at the jetbridge or parked outside on an apron position. The point is that DHMI takes a decision
116 tcm : Ironically it is the success of IST and the unprecedented growth in traffic that has brought many of the problems. I say partly, because, bad planning
117 TK787 : My flight got delayed only by 1.5 hours in the afternoon. I had four flight swith TK last week and all delayed between 1.5-2.5 hours.
118 Post contains images TK1244 : Due to lodos, the following flights have been moved to SAW:
119 thereandback : I wish the government would prioritize the new IST airport outside the city so that TK can get a hub that will allow for future growth and be designed
120 emrecan : Great idea but which place is outside the city?. Unfortunately there is no space between Istanbul and its neighbour cities. Currently if you drive on
121 tcm : Geçmiş olsun.... I had the fortune of being "grounded" lately. Cancellations and delays still ongoing. Hoping to dodge any IRROPS next week..
122 Post contains images MeCe : Actually it does. Especially on long range wide body flights. It is a pain after 10 hour flight dealing with stairs riding on bus again stairs etc. A
123 Post contains links OA260 : Broken link proper link here : Declaration about bad weather conditions at Istanbul Atatürk Airport 19.04.2012 Istanbul's Ataturk Airport has recent
124 TK1244 : Maybe building (high capacity or high frequency) high speed train lines between city center and the airport would solve that problem?
125 Post contains images stylo777 : Yet another travel experience of mine: my IST-AYT flight just a few hours ago got delayed one hour, because they waited for a group and we spent anoth
126 Post contains images tcm : Good to hear Stylo777, I guess the last few weeks must have been a life changing experience for most TGS staff in regard to irregular operations hand
127 bahadir : Come again? Catering was served during taxi? What if they needed to evacuate the aircraft on the tarmac? This is not acceptable.. No22 is not a good s
128 LAXintl : While you are it, need to fix the airway structure in Turkey. Not only are there not enough routes, due to things like military airspace blocks, routi
129 LAXintl : Btw – since we are speaking about delays… Last month Eurocontrols statistics office released its 2011 summary reports. Istanbul Ataturk was rated
130 TK787 : Tonight again delayed from Urfa to Istanbul. On top we got hit by lightning during descent to IST, my first. A loud bang to the bottom of the A319 and
131 LAXintl : Was looking through the Eurocontrol statistics and of the 20-most delayed routes in Europe for 2011, Turkey now has 3. Ranking / Route / Percent Fligh
132 Post contains links tozbek : Boeing 787 Moscow-Istanbul flight from my camera... It was broadcast on 22nd April 2012 on CNN TURK: http://youtu.be/PWFcZIC2MXg
133 flightsimboy : Turkish will be flying 5 times a week out of YYZ in the winter timetable. Tried booking a flight out of YYZ last night and noticed the new flight on
134 Post contains images tcm : Seems I have been able to dodge the recent chaos Mostly everything running on time. The TK lounge and fast track entry point make IST quite enjoyable
135 Post contains links Northstar80 : It seems there was a problem with food service in a recent TK flight to BUD on 20 April. I read this on a social media site. In short, the cabin crew
136 Post contains links and images Emrecan : Newest A321 is ready to join the fleet... Masallah !!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp-waPA2tnk&feature=player_embedded
137 Post contains images ASA : Great video - thanks for posting! Are you the guy in the black/navy suits?!!
138 Post contains links tozbek : Free Bird took the 'new' A320 from Airbus in Toulouse. The aircraft reg. TC-FBO made first flight from Toulouse Blagnac to Antalya... Here you are tak
139 Post contains links and images TK1244 : Turkish Airlines won to 2012 Freddie Awards: Program of the Year Europe/Africa Airline: Turkish Airlines Miles&Smiles Best Loyalty Credit Card Eur
140 Post contains images TK1244 : Kinda Ryanair action by Pegasus Airlines:
141 Post contains links tozbek : The pilot announcement in Ataturk Airport during on the take-off line: http://youtu.be/FGxRBAr0Nko
142 Post contains links planemannyc : Looks like TK will go 5x weekly to Dhaka, Bangladesh. Istanbul – Dhaka - Istanbul TK712 IST1825 – 0545+1DAC 332 x26 TK713 DAC0705 – 1215 IST 332
143 TK787 : Blame on the LODOS! Seriously, anyone remember being number 25 for take off at an airport with 3 runways, anywhere?? Due to winds??
144 Post contains links tcm : Sure the lodos and the layout of the runways are only part of the problem among many (see the link to the article below). I wouldn't expect the fligh
145 Post contains images TK1244 : The right main landing gear of TC-JNK operating flight TK1821 (IST-CDG) went off the taxiway while taxiing to the terminal after landing:
146 LAXintl : Not unusual. The procedure for several US airlines call for the same. If crews cannot safely collect materials back from the passengers its recommend
147 Post contains images ASA : Woohoo - this is awesome!!! So this route is indeed showing progress - can't wait for it go daily!!! I travelled on this route in Oct 11 ... and it w
148 Post contains images OA260 : Great to see TK getting more rewards. TK have also offered a most generous status match to all BMI *G members. Status is valid for two years and only
149 Post contains links leftyboarder : Even more announcements from TK for new routes, some previously unheard of: IST-KRT-MGQ-KRT-IST becomes IST-JIB-MGQ-JIB-IST (JIB new destination) IST-
150 tcm : I wish I could share your enthusiasm. I hope you realize that *A awards can only be ticketed by visiting a TK sales office. The same routine for payi
151 Post contains images OA260 : Well in fairness it was more than the Lufthansa group offered ! TK gets me everything I want . Lounge access/Extra baggage/chances to upgrade and awa
152 Post contains images tcm : That is one of the very few things you can do online already. Printing a e-ticket at home. I know Miles&More has been disappointing latetly with
153 ASA : This is big news, if true! One of the longer routes ... close to the IST-LAX leg. What's driving so much traffic to Houston ... and especially that w
154 TK1244 : Operated on Thursday from ESB (TK7366) by AJA. Will the new flight be operated from IST or will it stay in ESB? Onurair is launching IST-KVD flights
155 Post contains images OA260 : Thanks I know what Im getting myself into and it will do everything I want it to . No complaints. Im pretty good at looking after myself in IRROPS
156 Post contains links TK787 : Please continue here: Turkish Aviation May 2012 (by TK787 May 1 2012 in Civil Aviation)
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