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Norwegian To Feature Black Metal Guitarist On Tail  
User currently offlineHarmonium From Denmark, joined Feb 2012, 84 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3479 times:

A few weeks back, Norwegian DY announced that they would make a competetion online. They would have a public election as to who should be featured on the tail fins of one of their new aircraft. Now, I do not think that Norwegian would have imagined this scenario.

The internet being the internet, the primary voting is now over. This voting phase should narrow down the candidates before the final voting begins on April 11th. In the lead of the primary voting was Oeystein Aarseth, black metal guitarist from the band Mayhem. Now, here are some features of Mayhem, for those of you unfamiliar with the Norwegian black metal scene.

  • - Mayhem were known for being associated with church arsons.

  • - Lead singer, "Dead", slit his wrists and shot himself in his and Aarseth's(Euronymous) house. Leaving a briefe suicide note "Excuse all the blood".

  • - Euronymous picked up fractions of Dead's skull and made necklaces out of these. He later on passed some of these necklaces to musicians he found 'worthy'.

  • - Euronymous himself was stabbed to death in '93 by fellow musician Varg Vikernes.


Now, of course Norwegian have some disclaimers. One of them being "Haleheltene er en viktig identitetsbærer for vår merkevare og kandidaten må derfor være en vi kan identifisere oss med" - translating to something alike "The Tail Fin Heroes is an important flag carrier for our brand, and the canditate must be someone, with whom we can identify ourselves" - which means it is highly unlikely - at least from my perspective - that we'll ever see a DY aircraft with Euronymous featured on the tail.

Your thoughts?

Links:
The official homepage for the voting
Article about the voting

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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3323 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3386 times:

Aarseth's family has said they don' want to be identified with Norwegian ( wisely decision) and are anyway refusing DY to use his picture, so he won't be on any Norwegian tail.

The family of Joakim "Jokke" Nilsen made the same decision, so he was withdrawn from the vote when he was leading it a few weeks back


User currently offlineTupolevTu154 From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 2178 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3385 times:

Varg won't be happy!

I'm a huge metal fan, and I'd love to see him on one of DY's tails. However my head says that, given the circumstances, this would be a bad idea. Especially considering Norwegian war hero Trond André Bolle is second place.



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User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3355 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 1):
Aarseth's family has said they don' want to be identified with Norwegian ( wisely decision) and are anyway refusing DY to use his picture, so he won't be on any Norwegian tail.

Why did they refuse to be identified with Norwegian? I thought it was a respected company in the Nordic region?


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3035 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 3):
Why did they refuse to be identified with Norwegian? I thought it was a respected company in the Nordic region?

Well, some people don't want to be associated with a brand. I think that was the main reason Jokke was taken off. The family didn't want his image to become advertising, which is basically what happens when your face is plastered onto the tail of an aircraft.

I can understand people not wanting to get on the tail, even though I don't see it as directly being used as advertising, rather some good recognition of being a true norwegian (or scandinavian).

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3312 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 4):
Well, some people don't want to be associated with a brand. I think that was the main reason Jokke was taken off. The family didn't want his image to become advertising, which is basically what happens when your face is plastered onto the tail of an aircraft.

I can understand people not wanting to get on the tail, even though I don't see it as directly being used as advertising, rather some good recognition of being a true norwegian (or scandinavian).

Cool, thanks for that. You are right, it is not about personal promotion but rather the promotion of the culture of the country you come from.


User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 36
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3312 times:

Pity they refused it. The people now on the tails can be a bit stuffy, I believe not even Astrid Lindgren has a tail yet... There might be rules about living people (in case they turn out criminals late in their lives) but wouldn't some band tails like Abba, Aha be cool, or the Swedish chef from the Muppets? Or personally I'd love to see Nils Örstred Henning Pedersen, the amazing late jazz bass player. On the other hand the Scandinavian royal family members are also missing, I wouldn't mind to see some of these too although that might also be controversial to use in a commercial operation by a non state carrier.


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User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1846 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3276 times:
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Too bad they didn't get permission, it would have been fantastic! I love Norwegian Black Metal and aviation so I'm all for it. Maybe they can choose a different artist (Varg, Gaahl, Hoest or Shagrath), however I doubt they would give permission for it.


Martijn



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3035 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3243 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 6):
There might be rules about living people

In the competition thing they have, it states that people can only nominate dead people and Norwegian will not put someone alive on one of their tails.

I'm a bit curious about who will be put on the 787's. I'm assuming (and hoping) it will be one of the more famous Norwegian's that already are on some of the 737's, like Amundsen, etc.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlinecomair25 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3202 times:

Somebody mentioned Varg. My question is how in the world would he be a good choice to be an image if he murdered a.fellow musician. Now I don't know the story behind it, but I would imagine that being frowned upon so why would Norwegian want that image on one of their tails. I'm not sure black medal artists are the way to go. Just my opinion.

User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3846 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3155 times:

Quoting comair25 (Reply 9):
Somebody mentioned Varg. My question is how in the world would he be a good choice to be an image if he murdered a.fellow musician. Now I don't know the story behind it, but I would imagine that being frowned upon so why would Norwegian want that image on one of their tails. I'm not sure black medal artists are the way to go. Just my opinion.

Who says Norwegian wanted him in the first place ? It is the Norwegian general public that nominates people and therefore all kinds of people get nominated. Ultimatly it is Norwegian themselves who makes the ultimate desicion if the person has met the criteria ( getting aproval from relatives being one of them ) and put the person on a tail. Maybe Norwegian was quite happy that they did'nt get approval from his family ?



Considering that living people are off limits, I am hoping for Julie Ege ( actress in several 70's movie and also 007 Bond girl in OHMSS ) or Trond Andre Bolle, a member of the specialforces of Norway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julie_Ege

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trond_Andr%C3%A9_Bolle


User currently offlineHarmonium From Denmark, joined Feb 2012, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3150 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 1):
Aarseth's family has said they don' want to be identified with Norwegian ( wisely decision) and are anyway refusing DY to use his picture, so he won't be on any Norwegian tail.

The family of Joakim "Jokke" Nilsen made the same decision, so he was withdrawn from the vote when he was leading it a few weeks back

Didn't know that, that surely brings it to an end. Anyways, still an interesting discussion.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 4):
I can understand people not wanting to get on the tail, even though I don't see it as directly being used as advertising, rather some good recognition of being a true norwegian (or scandinavian).

Agree with that one. I'd rather see at is being honored for your achievements.

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 7):
Too bad they didn't get permission, it would have been fantastic! I love Norwegian Black Metal and aviation so I'm all for it. Maybe they can choose a different artist (Varg, Gaahl, Hoest or Shagrath), however I doubt they would give permission for it.

I also love metal, not too much of the Norwegian black stuff, but I'd love to see them honor other great Scandinavian musicians - for instance Lars Ullrich if we are to remain in metal.

Quoting comair25 (Reply 9):
Somebody mentioned Varg. My question is how in the world would he be a good choice to be an image if he murdered a.fellow musician. Now I don't know the story behind it, but I would imagine that being frowned upon so why would Norwegian want that image on one of their tails. I'm not sure black medal artists are the way to go. Just my opinion.

I agree. I wouldn't want to put someone like Dead or Euronymous on my aircraft. It's simply too much. What they represent, I wouldn't want my airline to be associated with. (Just as I wouldn't want my company to advertise on any FR jet, hence another ongoing discussion on the site). I'd love to plaster metal musicians on my aircraft, say Gojira for some French airline - as they are more 'down-to-earth'(Read: Let's not slaughter each other).
I don't know, it just doesn't feel right to plaster someone that ran around with his friend's face in a necklace on your aircraft.


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1871 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3132 times:

Quoting Harmonium (Thread starter):
Your thoughts?

My thoughts? Look at today's date  



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User currently offlineHarmonium From Denmark, joined Feb 2012, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3129 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 12):

It's not something that has surfaced today. I've been following it for a couple of weeks actually  


User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3846 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3021 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 12):
My thoughts? Look at today's date

Has nothing to do with 1 of april


User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

April fool´s day  


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User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24912 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

Why not Mortiis?   


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User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1346 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

Quoting TupolevTu154 (Reply 2):

Varg won't be happy!

I'm a huge metal fan, and I'd love to see him on one of DY's tails. However my head says that, given the circumstances, this would be a bad idea. Especially considering Norwegian war hero Trond André Bolle is second place.

Me too, though I was hoping for Dark Age to be the subject of all this. I know they're a bit mainstream these days, but still awesome...

Quoting Harmonium (Reply 11):

I also love metal, not too much of the Norwegian black stuff, but I'd love to see them honor other great Scandinavian musicians - for instance Lars Ullrich if we are to remain in metal.

I don't know if I would call that "true" metal... Unless there's some kind of category for Corporate Factory Production Metal maybe...



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User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3846 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2936 times:

Quoting gkirk (Reply 16):
Why not Mortiis?
Quoting columba (Reply 15):
April fool´s day

No, because as Harmonium says:

Quoting Harmonium (Reply 13):
It's not something that has surfaced today. I've been following it for a couple of weeks actually


User currently offlineHarmonium From Denmark, joined Feb 2012, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2908 times:

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 17):
I don't know if I would call that "true" metal... Unless there's some kind of category for Corporate Factory Production Metal maybe...

Not that this would be a suitable place to discuss what is true metal, but you might want to turn back time to '86 and a little something called Master of Puppets   While it may not be Dimmu Borgir or Mayhem, it certainly qualifies as metal.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7506 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2902 times:

I guess putting Varg Vikernes would be in poor taste?  

I have been a big Mayhem fan for years, but they were a big part of a very controversial time in Norwegian history where churches were burned often. I would love to see a black metal musician on a DY tail, but I would have thought someone from Darkthrone, Dimmu Borgir, Satyricon, Emperor, or Abbath would be a better choice.



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User currently offlineTupolevTu154 From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 2178 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2794 times:

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 17):
I don't know if I would call that "true" metal... Unless there's some kind of category for Corporate Factory Production Metal maybe...

Let's not open that can of worms all over this thread!



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3035 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 12):
My thoughts? Look at today's date  

Here are two articles (In norwegian) that talk about this issue, and one is dated march 30th, and the other march 26th.

The first link also has a picture of what "Euronymous" would look like on the tail.

http://www.dagbladet.no/2012/03/30/k...k/halehelter/svartmetall/20910936/

http://www.vg.no/reise/artikkel.php?artid=10064737

-CXfirst



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User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2269 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2677 times:

Quoting Harmonium (Reply 11):
I also love metal, not too much of the Norwegian black stuff, but I'd love to see them honor other great Scandinavian musicians - for instance Lars Ullrich if we are to remain in metal.

If they put Lars Ulrich on there they'll jump to #1 on my "don't fly on this airline" list, surpassing Ryanair. But of course Metallica *loves* money, so something could be worked out.

Quoting Harmonium (Reply 11):
I agree. I wouldn't want to put someone like Dead or Euronymous on my aircraft. It's simply too much. What they represent, I wouldn't want my airline to be associated with.

They wouldn't want to be associated with your airline either, probably. Although I hear Dead used to bring birds on stage quite often.

Quoting ju068 (Reply 3):
Why did they refuse to be identified with Norwegian? I thought it was a respected company in the Nordic region?

Ummm... DY is still a commercial carrier, which should be opposed to black metal's philosophy. I don't know why the family wouldn't allow it but anyway... I don't think Euronymous would've approved.

Now, the guys still in Dimmu Borgir would probably jump all over this opportunity. But they're still alive.

Anyway, there are better musicians in Norway, like Simen Hestnaes and Jan Axel von Blomberg.


Question for the OP: what about musicians who were killed by drugs? Would they make your list for your airline?

[Edited 2012-04-01 08:28:39]

User currently offlinePezySPU From Croatia, joined Dec 2011, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2606 times:

Quoting Harmonium (Reply 11):
What they represent, I wouldn't want my airline to be associated with.

On this one, I completely agree with you. My first thought when I read the title was that this must be an April Fool's thread (as I was well prepared this year), so I was completely shocked when I opened the article you provided and saw that it is a few days old.

I'm not religious, I don't believe in God, I'm open-minded, but having read a few articles about... ugh, I don't even know how to call them..., I was left completely shocked that DY did not remove them from the contest.

Yuck...   


25 NASCARAirforce : I too am into the Norwegian metal scene of all types of their metal. I think they should put Liv Kristine of Leaves Eyes/former Theater of Tragedy voc
26 Post contains images PHX787 : I've honestly never laughed so hard in my life. I highly doubt that Euronymous is going to be featured on a DY tail, but hell, that would be awesome,
27 NASCARAirforce : I'm not sure if they are still around but there was a Norwegian black metal band called Arcturus a few years back that had a really good guitarist tha
28 FingerLakerAv8r : Planes I would love to see... Norwegian with Gaahl SAS with Karin Axelsson from Sonic Syndicate (preferably semi-clad) Lufthansa with Kreator Aer Ling
29 PHX787 : Finnair with Finntroll!
30 dc9northwest : Nah, Wintersun! It would take 6 or 7 years, but I'm sure they could pull it off!
31 KaiGywer : Norwegian turned him down because they don't want the controversy around the Afghanistan war...
32 DarkSnowyNight : AirBerlin with Gardens of Gehenna LOT with Mandrake Austrian with Celtic Frost JetBlue with Type O Negative... ANA with Dream Theater (hey, it's a hu
33 PHX787 : I could see Dir en Grey doing an ANA jet. I honestly think that this is a good idea! (of course, me, being a metalhead)
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