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UK Air Passenger Duty Rises By 8% Starting Today.  
User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3360 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6825 times:

The new rise of APD, or tax the customer to death,kicks in today.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17566683

Interesting that this will include private business jets for the first time.
Could the government not have delayed this till after the Olympic games or was it just to hard to say no
to all that extra cash.


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User currently offlineTupolevTu154 From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 2186 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6711 times:

Quoting readytotaxi (Thread starter):
Could the government not have delayed this till after the Olympic games or was it just to hard to say no
to all that extra cash.

I somehow suspect the latter. There's far too much money to refuse!



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User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1490 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6653 times:

Welcome to Britain!

Not so sure about all the extra Olympic traffic, much evidence from other places suggests that many travellers are actually discouraged from travel by major events such as the Olympics, not willing to suffer crowds, high prices for hotels etc. The promotors and vested interests usually exaggerate likely visitor numbers wheas the likely losses are discounted.


User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6647 times:

On the majority of euro short haul economy fliggts ex UK it accounts for £1 of a difference. Few will notice I expect.

User currently offlineSuperCaravelle From Netherlands, joined Jan 2012, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6629 times:

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 2):
Welcome to Britain!

Not so sure about all the extra Olympic traffic, much evidence from other places suggests that many travellers are actually discouraged from travel by major events such as the Olympics, not willing to suffer crowds, high prices for hotels etc. The promotors and vested interests usually exaggerate likely visitor numbers wheas the likely losses are discounted.

Exactly. More travelers to sports events, less other touristic activity. In fact, I would be happier with the latter as it is not a one-time event and I prefer people interested in the country than people interested in a sports events that happens to be in the country.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6632 times:

Others should simply do what I do: don't visit the UK for leisure. I haven't taken a non-business trip there since 2003, and I visit Europe often. I will not take my tourism money to countries that tax me with irrational, unair and disproportionately high taxes. And as the fools in the UK continue to raise the taxes, less people will visit. Their loss.


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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6535 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
Others should simply do what I do: don't visit the UK for leisure

Whilst that I agree that the ADP charges are too steep, I am sure that people will not follow you. A $15 tax for those flying in from continental Europe or a $100 US for those from across the Atlantic will not be enough to put visitors from coming is their masses.


User currently offlinejrn216 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2012, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6530 times:

Quoting by738 (Reply 3):
On the majority of euro short haul economy fliggts ex UK it accounts for £1 of a difference. Few will notice I expect.


That is quite true and it is only on long-haul that APD increases by £6/7/8 so it is not such a great increase. But it is the message it sends out to travellers. Inward tourism must be encouraged during a hard economic climate, yet putting additional burden on travellers can only stunt growth. APD is completely at odds with attempts to achieve tourism growth and contrary to the Government's own commitment towards tourism.

When you look at the figures and see how APD has increased since 2005 it is quite startling. All long-haul flights used to be £20; band D destinations are now £92. How is this supposed to attract tourists?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6475 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 6):
Whilst that I agree that the ADP charges are too steep, I am sure that people will not follow you. A $15 tax for those flying in from continental Europe or a $100 US for those from across the Atlantic will not be enough to put visitors from coming is their masses.

The tax is approximately $150 USD per person. Tell a family of four that $600 isn't a lot. And that's if you are in coach. The fools that run this tax decided that it should be disportionately higher for those who fly in a premium cabin. As I fly premium cabins for leisure, the taxes amount to closing in in $1,000+ for a family of four flying business clas. No thank you. I'll use that as spending money in Italy, instead.



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User currently offlineTonyBurr From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1041 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6320 times:

I love the UK, especially London, but rarely go there or stop there on trips to other places due to the ridiculously high taxes on travel. The taxes are ridiculous. They are not related to travel, but causing the traveler to support the goverment.

I miss the UK, but not the crazy taxes.


User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6186 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
the taxes amount to closing in in $1,000+ for a family of four flying business class.

You have all the right in the world not to pay for the taxes as a matter of principle, but the economic point does not stand. A family of four flying long haul J could not care less about an extra $1,000 added to the trip budget (if they even care to have one).


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3038 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6157 times:

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 10):
You have all the right in the world not to pay for the taxes as a matter of principle, but the economic point does not stand. A family of four flying long haul J could not care less about an extra $1,000 added to the trip budget (if they even care to have one).

What nonsense - If London is going to be $1000 more expensive than say Paris thats where you will go !

( Then try to get a few days in London via Eurostar !)
This IS increasingly happening


User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6001 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
And as the fools in the UK continue to raise the taxes, less people will visit. Their loss.

Higher yields per passenger means less passengers are needed to generate the same profit. There are conclusive studies about the price elasticity of UK visitors and it's been found that the ADP will generate more money, than it'll cost in forgone revenues.

The APD has been in effect for much over a decade now and yet, flights out of the UK to virtually any destination outside of Europe have been the cheapest in all of Europe. Flights from the USA to Europe cost 60% more on average than flights in the other direction because Europe is worth more to US travellers, than the US is to Europeans.

London has always been an expensive city and people from all over the world will continue to flock there. If it's not you, there are 10 other people waiting in line to take your spot.

Flying today is as cheap as it's ever been. If there is one driving force behind increasing cost it's fuel. It's curious to me that people have no problems financing the shenanigans of Arab royalty, the regime in Iran, Hugo Chavez's comedy club and Somalian warlords - but as soon as a tax is imposed to fund humanitarian projects people cry foul.

''There is comfort in numbers'', they say. Look at the development of the price of air travel, look at inflation over the same period of time and you'll be quick to find out that your material wealth has increased substantially over the last 2 decades. I'm not a fan of the design of the APD, but I also know that it's not going to have the dramatic effects critics predict it will have. There is more to the story of people's spending habits.

Men lie, women lie, numbers don't.



..sick of it. -K. Pilkington.
User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13197 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5920 times:

Let us also not forget that in the past, citizens were willing to subsidise in taxes the creation and improvements in airports as well as airline security. Not they won't and beyond that, governments are desperate for additional tax revenues from those that don't vote there (foreign tourists), for activities with high pollution levels/energy use to level off or reduced them, as well as cover the exponential growth in the costs of ever increasing securty and construction.

If I am correct, many of the airports in the UK are operated by private or joint private-government corporations, so those private partners need to pay for overpaid executives and assure constant profits to shareholders. That adds to the fees as well. Then you have the growing fees from non-UK airports and pretty soon the fees are going to exceed most standard airfares (not of teaser fares of Ryanair - they already do) and discourage travel/tourism. And yes, I agree this is timed intentionally for the upcoming Olympics to make revenue from the attending suckers.


User currently offlineboilerla From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 380 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5877 times:

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 10):
You have all the right in the world not to pay for the taxes as a matter of principle, but the economic point does not stand. A family of four flying long haul J could not care less about an extra $1,000 added to the trip budget (if they even care to have one).

Actually it can. I earn anywhere from 150k to 300k frequent flier miles per year. I'm single, but I know plenty of other people in the same situation that use their RDMs to take the family on a trip in J. If you had to choose between 14 hours in coach with 2 kids, or 14 hours in J, which would you prefer?

Last time I redeemed my miles, the taxes for the UK portion were going to be $500, on what was essentially a free ticket for me. I went to Switzerland instead.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17823 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5867 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
And as the fools in the UK continue to raise the taxes, less people will visit. Their loss.

  

Quoting by738 (Reply 3):
On the majority of euro short haul economy fliggts ex UK it accounts for £1 of a difference. Few will notice I expect.

On top of how many previous increases?

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 6):
I am sure that people will not follow you. A $15 tax for those flying in from continental Europe or a $100 US for those from across the Atlantic will not be enough to put visitors from coming is their masses.

Every week airlines try, and fail, to raise fares by a few dollars, and most of those fare increases fail because either other airlines don't follow, or demand simply evaporates. This is the same scenario, except the airline doesn't get to keep the additional money, and instead of a meager $1-5 fare increase, this is big money.

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 10):
You have all the right in the world not to pay for the taxes as a matter of principle, but the economic point does not stand. A family of four flying long haul J could not care less about an extra $1,000 added to the trip budget (if they even care to have one).

If you think that airline pricing is so inelastic even in J that people don't notice an additional $1000, I have a ticket to sell you.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5815 times:

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 10):
You have all the right in the world not to pay for the taxes as a matter of principle, but the economic point does not stand. A family of four flying long haul J could not care less about an extra $1,000 added to the trip budget (if they even care to have one).

Exactly. A person who flies premium with their family on holiday is hardly going to worry about $1000.

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 11):
What nonsense - If London is going to be $1000 more expensive than say Paris thats where you will go !

No that's nonsense.

That's like saying ''even though I'm rich I'll stay at the Holiday Inn not the Ritz because it's less expensive''

Anyway, what if i've already taken my family to Paris or Rome etc and want them to see London ?

Somebody flying their family half way round the world in business class and staying in the Ritz aren't going to give a hoot about APD and the government knows it.

The UK (like the rest of Europe) is expensive for outsiders on holiday, everyone knows it.

[Edited 2012-04-01 09:38:31]


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17823 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5738 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 16):
Somebody flying their family half way round the world in business class and staying in the Ritz aren't going to give a hoot about APD and the government knows it.

I know plenty of people who fly business class to stay at the Ritz and are fed up with the APD--they simply don't bother going to the UK any more. You all are assuming that people who are wealthy enough to afford premium airfares and high end hotels got to where they are by 'not caring' about $1000 here and there. That is ludicrous. These people may be wealthy--they're not stupid.

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 16):
That's like saying ''even though I'm rich I'll stay at the Holiday Inn not the Ritz because it's less expensive''

No, because you get more for your money at the Ritz. You're not getting any thing more for the extra $1000 in APD. It's like staying at the Holiday Inn or staying there AND paying $1000 extra for the privilege of doing so. Who would agree to that other than non discretionary travelers?



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5711 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
I know plenty of people who fly business class to stay at the Ritz and are fed up with the APD--they simply don't bother going to the UK any more. You all are assuming that people who are wealthy enough to afford premium airfares and high end hotels got to where they are by 'not caring' about $1000 here and there. That is ludicrous. These people may be wealthy--they're not stupid.
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
No, because you get more for your money at the Ritz. You're not getting any thing more for the extra $1000 in APD. It's like staying at the Holiday Inn or staying there AND paying $1000 extra for the privilege of doing so. Who would agree to that other than non discretionary travelers?

Oh dear.

Look, i'm guessing by your comments that you've never parked your car in one of Terminal 5's car parks ?

The place is a petrol heads 'wet dream' !

Besides, your argument is ludicrous not mine.

Someone travelling to London (one of the business capitals of the world) to secure a multi-million pound business deal is 'not' going to worry about APD.

Heavens, I know people that drink glasses of wine that cost more than APD for a family of 4.

I'm not saying it's right but that's life.



Flying is like sex - I've never had all I wanted but occasionally I've had all I can stand.
User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5688 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 11):
What nonsense - If London is going to be $1000 more expensive than say Paris thats where you will go !
Quoting mikey72 (Reply 16):
Exactly. A person who flies premium with their family on holiday is hardly going to worry about $1000.

As mike72 put, if you pay anywhere from $12K to $16K on airfare alone plus something upwards of $500 a night on hotel for four, $1,000 is not going to be a deal breaker.

If you have a personal or political point to make, I respect it, but don't try to make me believe that a $20,000 to $30,000 family vacation is going to change because of an extra $1,000.

Quoting boilerla (Reply 14):
Last time I redeemed my miles, the taxes for the UK portion were going to be $500, on what was essentially a free ticket for me. I went to Switzerland instead.

Award fliers (especially those with enough miles to redeem J tickets for four) are not that many and are not representative of the influx of tourists to Britain overall.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 15):
If you think that airline pricing is so inelastic even in J that people don't notice an additional $1000, I have a ticket to sell you.

That's not what I said. I am going to London in July in J and yes, I'm paying an awful lot in taxes on my ticket. It would have cost me less if I had bought a ticket to Paris. Hotels, transportation, food and most everything else would probably be cheaper in Paris. Then why am I not going to Paris? Because I want to go to London!

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
You're not getting any thing more for the extra $1000 in APD

Yes, you are. You're getting a non-stop to where you wanna go.

[Edited 2012-04-01 10:24:46]

User currently offlineshufflemoomin From Denmark, joined Jun 2010, 480 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5671 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
I know plenty of people who fly business class to stay at the Ritz and are fed up with the APD--they simply don't bother going to the UK any more.

I highly doubt that's true and strongly suspect it's a fabricated statement to try to prove your own argument.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17823 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5641 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 18):

Someone travelling to London (one of the business capitals of the world) to secure a multi-million pound business deal is 'not' going to worry about APD.

That's why I said...

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
other than non discretionary travelers
Quoting mikey72 (Reply 18):

Heavens, I know people that drink glasses of wine that cost more than APD for a family of 4.

That's not remotely similar--people want to buy that wine; they don't want to pay the APD.

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 19):
$1,000 is not going to be a deal breaker.

It may not be for some people, but it will have an effect. It's basic economics: raise the price of something and people will buy less of it. Moreover everyone is focused on the front cabin--it has the same effect in economy, where there is a lot more discretionary spending that will surely be pressured. Why do you suppose the entire Caribbean is panicking because of the APD--because they are worried more people from the UK will visit with tourism dollars? Not quite. Charter companies have pulled loads of longhaul flying because it's simply not viable with the government taking such a large chunk of the all-in fare.

Quoting shufflemoomin (Reply 20):
I highly doubt that's true and strongly suspect it's a fabricated statement to try to prove your own argument.

You actually took the time to write that. Wow 



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5638 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
I know plenty of people who fly business class to stay at the Ritz and are fed up with the APD--they simply don't bother going to the UK any more.

So, if they don't go to the UK anymore, by definition they do not fly biz to London and do not stay at the Ritz. I suspect shufflemoomin is right in assuming this point is not really true.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
It's like staying at the Holiday Inn or staying there AND paying $1000 extra for the privilege of doing so.

Not really, because a similar Holiday Inn elsewhere is probably cheaper than in London. You pay more for a similar hotel in London if that's where you want to go.

I guess we're mixing Economics and Politics here.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17823 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5602 times:

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 22):
So, if they don't go to the UK anymore, by definition they do not fly biz to London and do not stay at the Ritz. I suspect shufflemoomin is right in assuming this point is not really true.

That makes zero sense. There are no biz seats to anywhere but the UK? I didn't know the Ritz was only in the UK either.

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 22):
Not really, because a similar Holiday Inn elsewhere is probably cheaper than in London. You pay more for a similar hotel in London if that's where you want to go.

It could be in the suburbs of Brighton--you're going to pay the same onerous tax no matter where you depart from in the UK--it is not tied to the location or quality of the carrier other than cabin and range band.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5525 times:

Look, in a nutshell (right or wrong) this is the way the government looks at it...

If you can afford to fly, sit in Club, sit in Economy, take your family to Barbados for 2 weeks etc...you can afford APD.

[Edited 2012-04-01 11:48:05]


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25 ikramerica : My wife and I considered to go to London on award seats in J but didn't because of the fees. Stupid part is that we connected in London to ZRH F/J UA/
26 GDB : Maybe UK airline CEO's, or Airport Operators, were NOT at those infamous £250,000 per head 'Dinner With The Prime Minister' shindigs. 'Big Finance' p
27 nzrich : Yes that may be true BUT the APD could be the difference from choosing for a family to holiday in the UK or Europe especially for haul haul destinati
28 Pilot21 : All the arguments above seem to be directed at tourists and people who fly C class and can easily afford another £1K in taxes. You are forgetting abo
29 canyonblue17 : Will this have an impact on non-rev fees in and out of London. For example, I just bought a Zed Low EWR-LHR tkt and it was $315 roundtrip. Can I still
30 Post contains links MillwallSean : American posters always complain about taxes, nothing new. Its politics and doesn't have any bearing on inbound tourism to the UK. Tourism to the UK i
31 shamrock604 : On a personal note, I never fly via the UK to destinations not directly accesible from Ireland because of APD. It is simply less stressful and cheaper
32 RadicalDudeJOM : Every dollar or pound that a fare increases will result in less customers. It's simple economics. Anyone here who has ever run a business can tell you
33 Post contains links something : Following your logic, you should have sold 17% more; not twice as many. The calculatory example that you outline has been examined in great detail, a
34 GDB : I would accept APD, at these levels, if there was a proper commitment to infrastructure. That's what rankles, getting shafted two ways. But then a Gov
35 Post contains images MaverickM11 : I've heard this multiple times. Mileage awards exclude taxes, so while you think you may be getting a free trip b/c of miles, it ends up be 200,000 m
36 Viscount724 : I expect many people now fly to AMS/BRU/CDG etc. and buy a separate ticket to the U.K. on an LCC at the much lower intra-Europe APD charge (or take t
37 shufflemoomin : Explain how it ends up as $500 per person in taxes? Judging by the 8% increase everyone is moaning about, then even if that's true, it was only about
38 MAH4546 : I'm glad you think I could care less about $1,000. As somebody who flies long-haul J on vacation, I assure you I care about $1,000. Just because I ca
39 planesailing : Personally I have never found using s European hub to get out of the UK long haul to be any cheaper. In fact, when I was searching for southern Florid
40 MillwallSean : You can do all that, however statistics shows very few people does. You can look at the numbers and see how many that arrives by tunnel. That number
41 something : Yeah or imagine how rich the UK could be, if they were sitting on Saudi Arabian like oil reserves. I booked tickets today LGW-SFB-LGW for £208 round
42 Kent350787 : Probably because exchange rate movements means that Aussies can now afford to eat in the UK - it was 35p-AUD$1 when I first visited the UK and now 65
43 ikramerica : Well LAX-LHR-ZRH was $29.03 in UK and US secuirty fees +67,500 miles. This was in F on UA and J on LX one way. LAX-LHR in F on UA with miles is actua
44 par13del : Are you strictly talking about fares without the APD or saying that with the APD included it is still cheaper to fly from the UK?
45 MaverickM11 : People aren't paying just the increase in APD, they're paying the whole thing, which is more like 10 hotel breakfasts. If it was such a non-issue, wh
46 Post contains images lightsaber : This is the best example. People like to feel like they are getting a bargain. The example of an increase too far is my home state of California. The
47 usflyer msp : I do the same. I love London but I haven't been there since 2004 for this reason. There are plenty of other places that are much better values than t
48 nighthawk : I think you guys are forgetting that there is more to the UK than London. It is not London that is going to suffer, but rather the regions. It is hard
49 gkirk : Perhaps the best idea would be just to fully tax flights from the major airports i.e. the London Airports and Manchester, with all other regional airp
50 planesailing : Total fare rather than base fare. So flying LON - MCO last year was £470 with DL LGW-ATL-MCO, BA / VS was £550 for LGW-MCO and via Continental Euro
51 david_itl : And for what reason should MAN be included in this idea? Part of the big brouhaha about yield at MAN is due to the price sensitivity that the catchme
52 something : Well, it's always easy to attack governments because they're always evil. Corporations and the amazing free market however, are nothing but benevolen
53 par13del : Since US tourist were already down before APD they can either debate a percentage speed increase with APD or a gradual increas which may or may not b
54 Post contains links par13del : A couple links for what they are worth http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/ar...-Caribbean-high-APD-tax-rates.html http://www.onecaribbean.org/newsandme
55 hohd : I am one of those who was desperately trying to get economy award tickets on the return portion of USA-Manchesgter-USA in the beginning of the year du
56 bennett123 : gkirk Contrary to popular myth, not everyone in the SE is a millionaire. Doubtless, there are a fw in Scotland as well. Actually, fuel prices include
57 garpd : You must be a politician. No other kind of person I know could walk so squarely into a brick wall and be completely oblivious to it. Of course it's g
58 Summa767 : No, if you already paid the duty at the "old rate", then you will not I think that you should learn to read. All I said was that the ADP will not be e
59 par13del : One might ask if that is an unintended consequence or the plan all along, hhhmmmmm
60 col : No, the ones most affected are those people wanting to visit UK from far away shores. Also UK Airport employees, UK Airline employees and those peopl
61 richcandy : Hi Does anyone really expect the UK government to do anything about APD other than increase it? If it brings money in for the UK government then they
62 Pe@rson : Indeed, especially when it is so easy and cost-effective for them to implement and collect.
63 Summa767 : The case of Air Asia is of closing *all* of the long haul ops, nothing to do with APD. If we were going by capacity changes, then look at Emirates, w
64 Pe@rson : Who said it was premier? This is the wrong kind of mentality given that AirAsia X does not exist for prestige reasons.
65 standby87 : Indeed. IMO, the Airline Industry is a UK success story. It's reward? Tax, tax and more tax... And BTW, if I hear another reporter mentioning that "U
66 airbazar : I don't think anyone is looking at individual taxes when they buy a ticket. The proof is in the fact that passenger numbers keep going up. Having sai
67 MaverickM11 : Of course, they look at the whole price, but when a good chunk of that is a tax it does two things: it increases the price of the ticket driving some
68 Post contains links david_itl : Passengers are more likely to "bend" the rules by having a greater than 24 hour stopover in the foreign city thereby only incurring the lesser amount
69 airbazar : Of course price increase drive away some customers, myself included, but so do baggage fees and crappy service. There's no way of ever knowing which
70 solarflyer22 : Most everyone has a problem with it but there isn't an alternative unless you want to sail. Taxes and levies at least are in the control of the peopl
71 david_itl : From the link I've provided previously: International flight to international flight Case B rules. "Case B covers international connections (a flight
72 dstc47 : True. But applies to direct connections only. But there again international passengers who would otherwise overnight in LHR or LGW on a long haul rou
73 Viscount724 : If you are referring to LON specifically, I usually find prices in LON resaturants that are of an equivalent standard to Swiss restaurants, to be mor
74 solarflyer22 : Yes, I was referring to this type of connection (a stopover). Its good that ADP exempts direct connections but it almost seems like then you're penal
75 Summa767 : I gather that taxis in Zurich charge 3.80 Fr (US$ 4.2) per Km, whereas in London is £1.80 (US$ 2.90). It's difficult to compare restaurants like for
76 col : Firstly, they have closed LGW, CDG and Indian routes. They have lots of other long haul routes, which will increase to destinations where Malays etc
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