olddominion727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 336 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10735 times:
Anybody know what the cities are? I know they've been adding SMF,PHX,ABQ,ELP but then pulled out of some too like SBP... can anyone shine some light on this?
SJUSXM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 271 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10151 times:
back in April of 2011, AA/MQ added a bunch of new cities to feed AA's LAX hub,
miaami From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 381 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9745 times:
Also,
add SAF and ASE to the list. BOI lasted about a year but ceased in JAN 2012
jporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 358 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8928 times:
Don't forget DCA, scheduled to start on June 14th.
jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7342 posts, RR: 7 Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5441 times:
Peking to go along with Shanghai ? With AA flying to NRT and PVG on its 777, PEK would make a nice addition. OW partners fly to Australia & Hong Kong, and who says AA doesn't have a LAX hub ?
TOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6171 posts, RR: 9 Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5162 times:
They call it a hub but it's mostly a marketing term. AA has had this kind of operation from LAX for many years now. They have adjusted frequencies for certain cities and shifted from mainline to eagle (and back) in certain cases. The verdict is sitll out there as to whether these new MQ cities are actually profitable from LAX. A few might have already been dropped already.
"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
SJUSXM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 271 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4795 times:
Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 5): The verdict is sitll out there as to whether these new MQ cities are actually profitable from LAX. A few might have already been dropped already.
BOI was dropped about a year after the start, but that one was the one that made the least sense. PHX went from 4x CR7 to 4x ER4. Meanwhile, rumor has been that SLC has been stellar and that was upgauged to 2x ER4, 2x CR7. For what it's worth all the routes are consistanly full, even though we know that doesn't always mean profitability.
mogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4691 times:
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4):
Peking to go along with Shanghai ? With AA flying to NRT and PVG on its 777, PEK would make a nice addition. OW partners fly to Australia & Hong Kong, and who says AA doesn't have a LAX hub ?
DL has more flights to AsiaPac or Europe out of SEA than AA out of LAX, and even DL doesn't pretend to call SEA a hub.
For all practical purposes, it's a big fat focus city for everyone, including UA (regardless of how airlines call them).
TOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6171 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4691 times:
Quoting SJUSXM (Reply 6): BOI was dropped about a year after the start, but that one was the one that made the least sense. PHX went from 4x CR7 to 4x ER4. Meanwhile, rumor has been that SLC has been stellar and that was upgauged to 2x ER4, 2x CR7. For what it's worth all the routes are consistanly full, even though we know that doesn't always mean profitability.
I know they had a weird 12am departure to IAH on a CR7. Wonder how that route is doing?
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laca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3744 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3648 times:
I think we could see AA bring back LAX-BDL-LAX with the A319. I think this is the right size a/c for this route. If demand is higher on certain days of the week, they can upgauge it to a 73H.
slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2452 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3147 times:
Alot of these adds are/were important for the AA network and to allow more people in the LAX area to have AA be their primary carrier.
Airport From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 1393 posts, RR: 9 Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2688 times:
I don't think BOI was inherently a bad idea, the timing of the routes really needed to be better. There were a lot of times I wanted to fly AA, but the timing just wasn't convenient for me at all (if there was an early, say, 6:00am departure, I would've been on that route numerous times and would've likely signed up for an AA's mileage plan rather than UA's who just had a better schedule for me). Plus the timing of launching the route during which Boise is experiencing an especially bad downturn in traffic could've maybe been better planned. Personally, I feel they would've been better off waiting about 2-3 years to launch the service, if/when the economy picks up and complimenting the 2x daily LAX service with 1-2x daily BOI-DFW or ORD if possible.
TOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6171 posts, RR: 9 Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2392 times:
laca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3744 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1912 times:
Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 12):
I doubt it since DL couldn't make it work....twice.
That was with the same size a/c. They need to right size this market with an appropriate a/c and the 73H is too big for this market. This is a A319/73G market.
Any thoughts about LAX-SAT being added back with an A319, or if AA decides to go with the E-Jets, a E90/95?
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6506 posts, RR: 11 Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1693 times:
Quoting laca773 (Reply 14): That was with the same size a/c. They need to right size this market with an appropriate a/c and the 73H is too big for this market. This is a A319/73G market.
On a route as long as LAX-BDL "right-sizing" doesn't really help especially when operating costs of the 319/73G is near identical to the 738. If they can't make money on the larger 737, the smaller one will be in the pits.
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DeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8576 posts, RR: 8 Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1543 times:
Quoting laca773 (Reply 14):
That was with the same size a/c. They need to right size this market with an appropriate a/c and the 73H is too big for this market. This is a A319/73G market.
Delta had 50+ aircraft of this size and still didn't do it. Its to long and thin.
also I do believe both AA and UA have done this route in the past and both times it failed for them. Fuel is too high for those long thin routes. The fact that Delta's RDU/CMH flights are still around is a little bit surprising.
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slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2452 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1515 times:
Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 16): also I do believe both AA and UA have done this route in the past and both times it failed for them. Fuel is too high for those long thin routes. The fact that Delta's RDU/CMH flights are still around is a little bit surprising.
If fuel skyrockets i can see these long fuel thristy routes as prime canadites for cuts. Its easy for delta to reroute the traffic especially after the busy summer season.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31107 posts, RR: 74 Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1496 times:
Quoting laca773 (Reply 9):
I think we could see AA bring back LAX-BDL-LAX with the A319. I think this is the right size a/c for this route. If demand is higher on certain days of the week, they can upgauge it to a 73H.
Expanding to niche trans-con markets like Hartford and Raleigh will only happen when (yes, when, not if, because fuel will go down significantly again, it always does) fuel goes down.
Eagle was getting ready to expand again this fall, a plan based on moving some CR7s to LAX but that is in hold while Eagle restructures.
New routes were to include MCI, COS, GEG and YYC.
I still believe that expansion will happen once AA sorts out how regional flying will be handled in the future.
laca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3744 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1448 times:
Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 16): also I do believe both AA and UA have done this route in the past and both times it failed for them. Fuel is too high for those long thin routes. The fact that Delta's RDU/CMH flights are still around is a little bit surprising.
AA & DL flew LAX-BDL
UA flew SFO-BDL.
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18): Expanding to niche trans-con markets like Hartford and Raleigh will only happen when (yes, when, not if, because fuel will go down significantly again, it always does) fuel goes down.
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18): Eagle was getting ready to expand again this fall, a plan based on moving some CR7s to LAX but that is in hold while Eagle restructures.
New routes were to include MCI, COS, GEG and YYC.
I still believe that expansion will happen once AA sorts out how regional flying will be handled in the future.
It will be interesting to see what they come up with in the restructure. AS, dropped then, QX picked up LAX-GEG, which didn't last long. I guess the recession and fuel costs put an end to that.
AS tried LAX-YYC and pulled the plug on that several years ago. With AC and West Jet both flying this route, it seems it would be too much capacity, even with Eagle CR7s if they do decide to fly this (AC flies it 3x daily withe E90s and West Jet 1-2x daily with the 736 and 73G).
DeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8576 posts, RR: 8 Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1352 times:
Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 17):
If fuel skyrockets i can see these long fuel thristy routes as prime canadites for cuts. Its easy for delta to reroute the traffic especially after the busy summer season.
and they aren't core LAX routes. They are just a place for 37s to go that are sitting on the ground. routes like that go quickly when fuel goes up.
Quoting laca773 (Reply 19):
It will be interesting to see what they come up with in the restructure. AS, dropped then, QX picked up LAX-GEG, which didn't last long. I guess the recession and fuel costs put an end to that.
AS tried LAX-YYC and pulled the plug on that several years ago. With AC and West Jet both flying this route, it seems it would be too much capacity, even with Eagle CR7s if they do decide to fly this (AC flies it 3x daily withe E90s and West Jet 1-2x daily with the 736 and 73G).
I think MCI and COs would work for AA, YYC and GEG would be losers.
Quoting laca773 (Reply 19):
AA & DL flew LAX-BDL
UA flew SFO-BDL.
ah ok. Still, its been done before failed 3 times....so I'm sure an airline will try again.
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