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New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113  
User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 21325 times:

Welcome to the New Zealand aviation thread. In New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112 (by PA515 Mar 5 2012 in Civil Aviation) we discussed:

- Air Asia X pulls out of CHC
- NZ terminates PEK services, increases PVG
- AR withdraws from AKL
- NZ terminates codeshare with JL, begins codeshare with NH
- TG BKK-AKL switch to 346 cancelled, 772 continue to operate these flights
- Mount Cook ATR service disruptions
- LA reliability
- NZ South American opportunities

Other threads related to New Zealand Aviation:
AR To Drop AKL, Start EZE-SYD Nonstop (by yeogeo Mar 29 2012 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks ago) and read 21322 times:
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Got an e-mail from NZ yesterday informing DPS flights have changed. Now departing AKL at 1905, arrives in DPS at 0035. Departs DPS at 0805, arrives AKL at 2005. Still excellent for connecting flights to AKL but still requires an over-night stay at the airport/hotel

User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5310 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks ago) and read 21296 times:

Seems odd. Now a longer turn around in DPS and a midnight arrival. Why now

AKL 1200 DPS 1930
DPS 2100 AKL 0900

They could do that or maybe 1-2 hours later to allow a few more domestic connections for AKL-DPS.


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8548 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks ago) and read 21280 times:
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I believe that there is some sort of maintenance work going on (or planned ) at DPS, isn't there? I am sure I read somewhere that this restricts hours of operation.


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User currently offlinenascarnut From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 281 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 21220 times:

The Black 77W scheduled to drop into WLG on its way to do flypast at Wanaka on Sunday 8th.
NZ6693 AKL-WLG 0945-1045
NZ6694 WLG-AKL 1115-1400 via Wanaka


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 21210 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
Got an e-mail from NZ yesterday informing DPS flights have changed. Now departing AKL at 1905, arrives in DPS at 0035. Departs DPS at 0805, arrives AKL at 2005. Still excellent for connecting flights to AKL but still requires an over-night stay at the airport/hotel

The arrival time is not attractive at all for most tourists. I suspect this maybe an aircraft utilisation issue.


User currently offlineaerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 799 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 21116 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 2):
Seems odd. Now a longer turn around in DPS and a midnight arrival. Why now

AKL 1200 DPS 1930
DPS 2100 AKL 0900

They could do that or maybe 1-2 hours later to allow a few more domestic connections for AKL-DPS.


The new schedule seems a bit odd. I like your proposed times though... but would go a few hours later

AKL 1500 DPS 2230
DPS 2359 AKL 1200



What?
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 20925 times:
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Quoting cchan (Reply 5):

How would it be an aircraft usage issue with the long lay over in DPS?


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 20918 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 7):
How would it be an aircraft usage issue with the long lay over in DPS?

Depends on which flight the aircraft is used on before doing AKL-DPS (the departure time suggest a short haul flight like SYD-AKL), and which flight the aircraft will be used for upon return to AKL (AKL-KIX?). Parking the aircraft at DPS maybe cheaper than at AKL.


User currently offlinemacilree From New Zealand, joined Dec 2006, 243 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 20768 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 3):
I believe that there is some sort of maintenance work going on (or planned ) at DPS, isn't there?

Correct.



John Macilree
User currently offlinenascarnut From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 281 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 20512 times:

Pacific Blue 737-800 ZK-PBJ is now in Auckland painted in Virgin Australia colours and titles. This is the second NZ registered Virgin aircraft painted in the new Virgin Australia colours. The first was ZK-PBF "Virgin Samoa".

User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3180 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 20417 times:

So NZ replaced its A320 service this morning between AKL-NAN. Wonder how full it was coming back with a reported 2,000 Australian and New Zealand holidaymakers stranded in the flood ravaged nation? Presumably full. Would have been a nice upgrade opportunity.


come visit the south pacific
User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 20413 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 11):
So NZ replaced its A320 service this morning between AKL-NAN. Wonder how full it was coming back with a reported 2,000 Australian and New Zealand holidaymakers stranded in the flood ravaged nation? Presumably full. Would have been a nice upgrade opportunity.

Did that yesterday too and probably tomorrow as well I suppose..



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User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3180 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 20400 times:

Meant to say 'with a 77W'.


come visit the south pacific
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 20359 times:
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A B744 was also used a few days ago on the NAN sector

User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 19968 times:

The Pacific Islands thread is gone (again), so this seems to be the next best place to ask this question: any idea where those 2 "new" Bandeirantes for Air Rarotonga come from?

http://www.cinews.co.ck/2012/February/Wed29/other.htm#1202231007


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 19895 times:

With TN joining ''Oneworld'' ! will this have an effect with NZ code-share on the AKL-PPT-LAX route?


NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8548 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 19845 times:
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Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 16):
With TN joining ''Oneworld'' ! will this have an effect with NZ code-share on the AKL-PPT-LAX route?

I think you are jumping the gun a bit . Unless I have missed something there was a news story, since retracted, which said that TN had selected OW as the alliance they would like to join. I have heard no confirmation that OW has accepted them.



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 19842 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 16):
With TN joining ''Oneworld'' ! will this have an effect with NZ code-share on the AKL-PPT-LAX route?

Probably not. They still have an existing agreement, as they do for EY/VS which are not Star Alliance members either.

Of course pinning your all hopes on AA as your North American partner right now is risky - especially as TN is also in financial strife too.


User currently offlineaeroflop From New Zealand, joined Mar 2012, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 19794 times:

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 10):
Pacific Blue 737-800 ZK-PBJ is now in Auckland painted in Virgin Australia colours and titles. This is the second NZ registered Virgin aircraft painted in the new Virgin Australia colours. The first was ZK-PBF "Virgin Samoa".

Are the crew etc going to be paid Virgin Australia rates now that the whole company is "unifying'?
Or is it going to be the same deal like with Qantas and Jetconnect?

Mind you if the crew were paid aussie wages it would be VERY attractive to be working in NZ.


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 876 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 19707 times:

One January in the early 1960's I flew CHC-AKL nonstop in an NAC F27. I was seated in the second or third row from the front on the right hand side and about two thirds of the way up the forward bulkhead was the word 'Godwit'.

Was this a reference to the NAC logo of a 'Godwit', or a reference to ZK-BXA 'Kuaka' (Godwit) ?

The airliners.net photo database has a photo of ZK-BXA at Whenuapai in the early 1960's, but I haven't found any interior shots of NAC F27's.

Thanks.

PA515


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4938 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 19597 times:

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 4):
The Black 77W scheduled to drop into WLG on its way to do flypast at Wanaka on Sunday 8th.
NZ6693 AKL-WLG 0945-1045
NZ6694 WLG-AKL 1115-1400 via Wanaka

Can we expect some video links to be posted later on Sunday?


User currently offlineqslinger From India, joined Apr 2006, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 19405 times:

All Blacks 777 in WLG.

Spotters in WLG: Where will be plane be parked for that 1/2 hour it in WLG? Can you recommend a good spotting place? I plan on being by the Warehouse viewing area! Can't wait for this beauty to land in WLG!!!



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 19312 times:
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Quoting qslinger (Reply 22):

I suspect it will be parked outside the international gates as they won't be in use between 10.45-11.15am. Only good spot is beside the AVSEC building (attached to Airport Fire). Obviously the small viewing area beside the Westpac Rescue hanger, viewing area above the northern runway end and the southern end are the only good spots.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 19042 times:

Does anyone know anything about QF50 (I presume - it departed again as that)/ZK-ZQF returning to AKL this morning? Just checked Flightradar and saw a departure out of AKL with a whole fuel reducing holding pattern off the west coast.. And now it's taking a far more northerly route to SYD, as if it was heading for BNE. Strange!


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25 aerorobnz : Don't remember the reason off hand, but a northerly routing may indicate a non-etops compliant aircraft. To get to Australia they would have to stay
26 ZK-NBT : ZK-ZQF so unlikely that reason.
27 aerorobnz : Why not?? What has ZK-ZQF got that means it is immune to adhering to engineering ETOPS standards?? The same would apply for JQ/NZ A320s from time to
28 NZ6 : It's got nothing to do with NZ. DPS runway is closed due resurfacing overnight. NZ has been forced to re-time it's flights as a result.
29 gemuser : I agree ZK-NBT very unlikely because AFAIK LDH cannot take B737 so useless for ETOP flight planning. Gemuser
30 Unclekoru : Correct, except it's Norfolk not Lord Howe Island that's used as the diversion airfield for flight planning purposes.
31 alangirvan : I wonder if anyone read an article in AirInsight today? It was about winglets or sharklets, and the person was saying that the advantages of these dev
32 Post contains links ZKOJH : Someone better tell ANZ that they won't join Star and this might put the breaks on them investing anymore money to try and get a grab at the OZ market
33 motorhussy : Think QF's probably more the target of DJ's rennaisance push back into the New Zealand market. Previously they'd been after the exclusively price sens
34 Post contains links sunrisevalley : Below is the link to the winglet used on Boeing aircraft. The diagrams for block fuel and load/range improvement are shown. It would seem that the sa
35 IndianicWorld : ummmm... since when does SQ own any of DJ?
36 KiwiRob : Interesting because Norwegian fly 737's with winglets all over Norway, some of the sectors are as short as 25 minutes, none much over 1.5 hours.
37 sunrisevalley : I am correct in my understanding that NZ did not order sharklets on the new domestic A320's ?
38 KiwiRob : I think that's correct, the international one's have the sharklets.
39 texan : I watched it take off at AKL. Landing gear didn't retract. Returned to AKL after circling. Texan Edit: Something else could have happened, but that w
40 NZ107 : Great, thanks a lot. I wonder if that hampered its ETOPS ability then or if it flew near NLK for safety reasons. The new domestic A320s have already
41 Asiaflyer : First sharkletted production A320 has been seen in Toulouse, as MSN 5098, which should mean that flight testing must be close to completed. Not sure
42 joelyboy911 : I had bee under the impression that NZ was the launch customer for the A320 Sharklet. Is that the case? I can't remember where I read that...
43 cchan : Yes, NZ was the first airline to order the sharklet version.
44 aotearoa : The first 4 A320s for the domestic network have already been delivered. These are non sharklet aircraft which are leased by the airline. The first A32
45 NZ107 : I was under the impression that the sharkletted ones were going to operate the international legs, with one current international A320 heading to dom
46 aotearoa : As I understand it, this is definitely not the case. The regional A320 fleet leases must start to expire mid decade, so I'm guessing NEO options woul
47 kiwiandrew : That was what I had heard as well, on the other hand, I can't remember the source where I heard it from. Sharklets wouldn't really make sense for dom
48 cchan : Same here. I suppose we will see "international" 320 on domestic routes from time to time anyway.
49 nascarnut : Problem could be with the Cabin Crew. The cabins Electronics etc are totally different on the new Domestic A320D vs the regional A320. Currently the
50 nascarnut : NZ to add 3rd ROT-SYD flight from 20th Dec to 31st Jan. Extra flight will operate on Thursdays during this time frame. Thursday NZ820 SYD etd 0700 ROT
51 taieridrome : Does anyone have info on an incident involving an NZ Airbus and a light aircraft somewhere over Auckland in the last couple of days?
52 zkojq : The Air New Zealand Airbus A320 involved was ZK-OJN, flying flight NZ938 from OOL.
53 NZ2 : Hi, wondering if anyone can help with some feedback. The wife and I go to London on Friday in PE and is first time long haul in PE, previously we have
54 777ER : Yes NZ provide the in-flight kit for Y+ customers but its in a pencil case type bag. In-flight service is the same as biz but with less wine choice I
55 Post contains links deconz : article at ... http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel...Pilots-swooping-standard-procedure
56 NZ2 : Thanks for this, cheers
57 Byrdluvs747 : From the previous thread.. I know extremely little about Kiwi aviation. Are their any national ownership laws that would prevent QF from taking contro
58 zkojq : Currently the New Zealand government owns a majority stake (from memory it is about 70% or so) in Air New Zealand but the current National government
59 gemuser : Apart from zkojq's answer above, there are no nationality law problems between Australia & New Zealand, NZL companies are regarded as Australian
60 Byrdluvs747 : I suppose they could find some NZL investors(using borrowed QF money) to buy enough of NZ to give QF effective control of the airline while not excee
61 gemuser : True, but the problem with QF doing that would be Trade Practices law (Anti Trust) a QF/NZ tie up has been rejected several times in the past. A VA/N
62 Byrdluvs747 : Did said rejection come at a time before the existence of DJ? Surely QF has no monopoly on the NZL-Australia market now. Would some concessions like
63 koruman : I don't view a future acquisition of Air NZ as necessarily being a voluntary joint venture. The recent changes could be summarised as follows: 1. Foc
64 xiaotung : And how long before they lose their monopoly status on all routes other than Japan? There was an article in the Sunday Star Times yesterday which see
65 sunrisevalley : I see integrated VA/NZ operations with two domestic divisions and a TT division under separate GM's and one International Div under a GM , all reporti
66 koruman : I'm not sure that Borghetti needs Air NZ, after all current Air NZ management have taken approaches which are the opposite of those taken by Borghett
67 Post contains links NZ107 : GA to return to AKL: http://www.3news.co.nz/Indonesian-ai.../421/articleID/250592/Default.aspx No date given yet.. Nor if it'll be a CGK or DPS flight
68 byronicle6 : Interesting development, especially if they decide on a DPS flight with NZ resuming flights to DPS in around 2 months. Assume it will be operated by
69 Post contains links byronicle6 : Have just read on Stuff.co.nz the flights will be CGK-AKL "Indonesian airline Garuda is to resume direct flights from Auckland to Jakarta after signin
70 CHCalfonzo : That article also says.... "In February Garuda ordered 230 new aircraft from Boeing in a $US22.4 billion deal which includes 11 new A330 wide-body je
71 NZ107 : Haha classic.
72 nascarnut : For AKL Spotters....Emirates 747-400 freighter is on the ground in AKL. Originally flew in from PER @ 0445 16th April and was scheduled to depart @ 14
73 sunrisevalley : True, but with Borghetti in control you have a person who has demonstrated skills in running an airline with an apparent good sense of what sells. Th
74 Post contains links alangirvan : If you visit the Garuda Facebook page, you will twice see the expression " for exiting and affordable destinations." Does exiting mean that they expec
75 mariner : I'm not sure I understand why that would be. mariner
76 koruman : I agree with Sunrise Valley. I am probably fairly typical of the high-yielding end of Air NZ's Australian market. People like us use BNE or MEL becau
77 mariner : Why does the 787 make any difference? Aircraft can serve BNE to all those places now. mariner
78 koruman : Qantas has limited-range 763 and A330 aircraft in the 200-300 passenger range, but the only aircraft capable of reaching California or Canada are 747
79 mariner : Ah. Did Jetstar not take the A330HGW after all? mariner
80 NZ107 : I didn't think the A330 of any variety including the -200HGW could do Australia-USA nonstop.
81 sunrisevalley : I think you are right. Westbound USA-Australia has to be considered typically at a minimum of 7000nm ESAD. For that the load/range tables suggest a p
82 Post contains links mariner : I'm not a Tech Wallah, but Airbus seems to think it can. The A332 HGW is said to have a range of 7200 nm: http://www.airbus.com/aircraftfamili...t/a3
83 motorhussy : Guess that's in perfect conditions IE no head or cross winds etc. You'd think though that if LAX-AKL was at the edge of the plane's envelope, LAX-BNE
84 mariner : No idea, not technical, but I suppose you could say that of any range specification. I've seen questions raised about the claimed range of the 787. W
85 sunrisevalley : LAX-AKL is about 6200nm ESAD. For a 233t MTOW version the load/range chart shows about 30t payload which is quite respectable.
86 aerokiwi : I'm the same. Aside from SYD-SFO, which routes is the 787 likely to open up? Actually, isn't UA still operating SYD-SFO? Qantas and Virgin currently
87 koruman : Not specifically for Air NZ, but I would say: MEL-HNL MEL-YVR MEL-DFW/IAH BNE-SFO BNE-HNL BNE-YVR BNE-DFW/IAH SYD-SFO SYD-YVR
88 mariner : I think a lot of people are hoping for that. LOL. I still have an eyebrow raised about those supposed many and various p2p's. If - IF - it happens I
89 aerokiwi : BNE/MEL-YVR, ok maybe, but I'd say SYD-YVR is more likely first. BNE/MEL-DFW,IAH, NZ doesn't compete on this anyway - what feed is being lost? BNE-SF
90 Post contains links macilree : The New Zealand Minister of Transport has just announced a tripling of the capacity available under the China-New Zealand air services arrangements. A
91 xiaotung : This seems more like bad news than good news to NZ? Now look forward to CZ flying to CHC. If MU started flying to AKL from PVG with very low fares NZ
92 koruman : I think Aerokiwi has misunderstood that I am saying that Air NZ should have linked that city pair list directly, with no AKL connection. It's consider
93 koruman : I think that it would be a great outcome if price-competitive Chinese airlines operated all services to and from China rather than Air New Zealand. A
94 xiaotung : And earn miles at Business Class level which would bring them closer to their next holiday absolutely for free instead of earning a tiny little bit a
95 Post contains images zkojq : Hasn't QF given their initial 787 orders to JQ? If so this (along with all the 787 delays) should give NZ more time to get its act together. Addition
96 nascarnut : The number of passenger flights between China and New Zealand set to rise after a new agreement was signed. A total of 42 return flights a week, split
97 aerokiwi : Well, given the original quote that sparked this was as follows... ... it essentially relates to the 787 effectively cutting the legs out of NZ's fee
98 agent99nzboi : When the A320D arrived it was only crewed by AKL based Tasman Pacific Crew, they were gradually training Air New Zealand 733 crew. Im not sure if thi
99 cchan : Would that include HKG-China flights? If it does, it would be great opportunities for NZ. Not necessarily. NZ can target the higher end passengers, a
100 ZKOJH : Hope to see CA bring a 77W to AKL from PEK that would fantastic, good news all round, over time NZ will have HKG up to double daily and PVG daily I ca
101 xiaotung : Not a chance. Not even CA have the rights to operate for example PVG-HKG. If only the higher end market was big enough to sustain an entire 772 which
102 nascarnut : The fifth freedom rights could give NZ opportunity to operate AKL-PVG-LHR or AKL-PEK-LHR daily instead of AKL-HKG-LHR. The could return HKG to just an
103 nzrich : The A320D has never been operated by tasman pacific crew . It has always been operated by Domestic Jet Crew . Tasman Pacific crew signed some of the
104 Post contains links and images macilree : Actually the Understanding was signed by my Chinese counterpart and I in Wellington last Wednesday. No. My understanding is that no non-Chinese airli
105 777ER : Fully agree! This new agreement is excellent news for the consumer but totally bad news for NZ as they have no way to fully challange the chinese air
106 sunrisevalley : It all depends on a carriers slot in the production line. After LN90 the weights should be as per spec.
107 sunrisevalley : I believe, recently, NZ disclosed it was going to use it's 789's on the China routes.No doubt to be able to compete against anticipated low fares by
108 cchan : Thanks. HKG-China is a very profitable market. Again, the problem with NZ is that they keep waiting and waiting and waiting for the 789 to be deliver
109 sunrisevalley : What did Norm Thompson say recently, first or second quarter 2014 ? Production is now close to where new builds are coming off the line complete and
110 cchan : Comparatively, the Chinese airlines have lots of immediately available 330s and 777s to establish themselves on various routes in the AKL-China marke
111 IndianicWorld : It will be much harder for NZ to sustain many China routes. The Chinese airlines have far more of an advantage in taking on those opportunities.[Edite
112 ZKOJH : NZ can't do anything else now - no more long haul aircraft till 2014 and this is the big party the arrival of the 787-9! That everyone is waiting for.
113 IndianicWorld : Why though? AC is already on that route, and is also a fellow Star Alliance member.
114 zkeoj : Hi Guys does NZ not have SPace+ in the forward cabin of the B767s anymore? Cheers micha
115 NZ2 : Nope - about to jump on NZ 108 763 from SYD in 15 mins, seat 10A, best in the Y cabin!
116 zkeoj : I thought 19 is best - exit row with extra space, but no bulkhead (i.e. you can stretch your legs fully)? Cheers micha
117 koruman : Aerokiwi, I am utterly baffled by your characterisation of the Australia-Hawaii market as being as low yield as NZ-Bali. First, a few facts, then I w
118 777ER : In the current high config like on the B772s or with a massive reduction in J and Y+? NZ would still loose (IMHO) with high config seating unless the
119 PA515 : There are already enough aircraft for daily AKL-PVG flights, but even that can be tweaked now that PEK is going. Two 77E's were required for daily Ne
120 sunrisevalley : The 789 was intended to replace some of the 77E in 2012-2013. NZ found it necessary to extend 77E leases because of the delay and this might be the r
121 zkojq : Do we know what LN QF/JQ 's aircraft will be or at what point LN90 will be delivered? QF/JQ are taking delivery of their first 787s sometime in 2013.
122 IndianicWorld : How longt do you see NZ staying on this sector?
123 cchan : If I remember correctly, NZ has indicated that the HKG-LHR sector will remain for the time being. How long, I don't know, but for northern winter 201
124 aerokiwi : Faux bafflement? 1. Neither of us have access to the yield data - without it, this is a largely pointless argument. 2. Once again you equate populati
125 IndianicWorld : HNL has been a difficult market from Australia for a long time, but the higher $AUD has made it much more attractive as a destination. Does that mean
126 sunrisevalley : Start on LN 66 is close and it will be the first to go directly from assembly to flight testing. At a rate of 4 per month the build of LN90 should ha
127 Post contains images aerokiwi : True - I always forget about the AC presence. Also true. Sorry did a few random searches but only came up with JQ flights. But it used to be twice da
128 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Nice dream Very true. The last few years have shown just how well other cities can perform with their own services on some routes. Sydney is just one
129 Post contains links and images ZKOJH : not long after CHC loose Air Asia X CHC in talks to secure direct flights from China Positive discussions with China Southern Airlines could see direc
130 IndianicWorld : ^^ Would be interesting to see an A320 on the route :lol: They have only recently started AKL. Likely not a bad idea though, but the city needs to reb
131 cchan : If CZ does go to CHC, it is probably via SYD.
132 IndianicWorld : Likely true, or MEL. They have been playing around with frequencies from MEL and SYD of late, and this could be a way of geerating more demand on tho
133 Post contains links DocLightning : Anyone seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=yJ_kMrDmlQY
134 xiaotung : AKL was going to be via MEL but somehow Auckland Airport convinced them to go direct.
135 IndianicWorld : True. I don't think CZ were very clear on their AKL intensions and thats where all thoat confusion came from. In the end I think they just bit the ul
136 nascarnut : CZ was talking about operating into OOL for awhile. Could possible operate CAN-OOL-CHC and see how passengers numbers grow. Their AKL service went fr
137 cchan : Yes, many times since 2010, I think. What happened to the scene in the end which the elderly lady runs naked? The newer versions seem to have that de
138 zkojq : Not quite. As cchan pointed out it seems to be an update of a previous version. Interestingly the video showed the interior of a 737, A320 and 777.
139 aerorobnz : The current safety video is a mishmash of all the youtube campaigns together. I had it on both my WLG last week and HKG flights yesterday, As I'm back
140 zkeoj : The naked lady is still on domestrics flights, but was removed from international due to "cultural sensitivity"... Yeah, it is a bit weird, but someh
141 alangirvan : I wonder if it might operate Auckland-Cebu-Manila once or twice a week. Cebu is the Philippines version of Bali.
142 IndianicWorld : Cebu doesn't even compare to Bali yet in many ways, especially its attractiveness to foreign travvelers. It has a long way to go. Trying such a route
143 cchan : If anything happens, I would expect them to operate as an extension to their Australian flights initially. I think there is more chance we see VN tha
144 nascarnut : Cathay Pacific Flt108 returning to AKL. Departed AKL @ 1400. ETA back into AKL @ 1710.
145 cchan : Any idea of the cause?
146 nascarnut : Looks like an engineering issue. Problem seems to be centred around the centre landing gear and doors. Strange for problem to occur approx 90 minutes
147 cchan : Thanks for the info. It probably will be better to overnight at AKL and get the problem sorted, the flight will arrive in HKG in the early morning ho
148 byronicle6 : Going by the 2006 census data, 16,938 people identified themselves as Filipino so not very many really. I really can't see a route to the Phillipines
149 ZKOJH : Now that SQ is joining the 'in flight internet Club' along with the likes of EK/QF/CX/TG and UA can we see NZ following the same approach on the 787's
150 ZK-NBT : Operating via Australia PAX would have to have visas, unless this has changed in the last 12 months?
151 aerorobnz : yes the 77W is already capable of mobile use in flight like the domestic320s, wireless internet Visa free and friendly unlike Vietnam (in my experienc
152 Kaiarahi : Non-NZers on my AKL-SFO flight last week were scratching their heads. If you're not very familiar with NZ culture, it's just a disjointed mash-up.
153 motorhussy : Even some Kiwis are left wondering.
154 zkojq : Its still far better than the awful 'fit to fly' video. Several times when that safety video has been played I've seen Air New Zealand crew hide thei
155 Post contains images motorhussy : And some Air New Zealand passengers.
156 Post contains links ZKOJH : and no one saw this??!! WELL DONE AKL!! ''Auckland tops Sydney, Melbourne as Asia-Pacific's best airport'' Auckland has beaten Sydney and Melbourne as
157 NZ107 : Very independent as they run marketing campaigns to get people to vote. But nonetheless, it remains a nicer airport than SYD/MEL/BNE. All they need i
158 motorhussy : Call me parochial, but prefer WLG.
159 Mike909 : My experiences at AKL compare to no other airport. Pure class!
160 cchan : Should this read Australia-Pacific? I can think of a number of Asian airports which are heaps better than AKL.
161 nzrich : But when CHC is totally completed that will give all of them a run for their money . So far its stunning !!
162 sunrisevalley : Does NZ have a standard cabin crew complement for long haul . If they do what is the standard number for each of the 77E and 77W ?
163 zkojq : Just a quick thought: This morning as I was listening to Radio New Zealand, they said that there were approximately 6,000 New Zealanders at Gallipoli
164 gasman : Can someone who's older than I am (tricky) shed any light on this. NZ took delivery of their first DC-10-30 (ZK-NZL) in January 1973. The second - ZK-
165 kiwiandrew : That's odd, I would have sworn 1973 x 2 , 1974 x 2 , 1975 x 2 , 1976 x 1 and 1977 x 1 for a total of 8
166 gasman : You could be right, I was just looking at the history of NZN on this site (and others) which said first flight at Long Beach late 1973 and first flig
167 kiwiandrew : NZN was the third, you have skipped NZM , although apparently that wasn't delivered until September '73 meaning they still went around 8 months with
168 ZKOJH : With 2 months to go until the new route to Bali kicks in anyone got any idea on how bookings look? it will be interesting to see how this this route p
169 aerorobnz : compared to asian carriers like TG/SQ/KE no, but compared to everyone else I have no idea. Think it's 12 and 14 on NZ respectively at a rough guessti
170 motorhussy : GA has announced its intention to fly to AKL from CGK, NZ to DPS from AKL... and for the record it is with their brand spanking new A330-300's GA int
171 ZK-NBT : Hmm, I'd take anything GA says with a grain of salt! Personally I can't see daily CGK-AKL or daily DPS-AKL for that matter maybe 3 weekly from each o
172 777ER : Not sure how 100% correct it is, but when I was looking at seating options for the works package on my DPS flights, both flights showed upto 6 free s
173 Post contains links zkojq : Airbus has rolled out the first production A320 to have Sharklets. http://bit.ly/JI1E19 The press release implies that the first A320 with Sharklets t
174 NZ107 : I believe it was a MoU, not a contract.. Therefore not enforcable.
175 MotorHussy : GA's reputation has been improving markedly of late... both from a business to consumer perspective as well as a b2b one so I can see them putting th
176 nascarnut : The AKL-DPS sector for 1st four weeks is approx 75% full with some flights at 90% full. End of July drops to 50% at this stage. The return sector is
177 ZK-NBT : I'm quite sure there is an article around somewhere saying they are planning daily CGK-AKL service. UA will launch IAH-AKL, it maybe initiall 5x week
178 ZKOJH : Think UA are meant to take 7 frames of the 787 this year, so this more then cements a date into the timetable to start AKL but nothing yet from the ai
179 sunrisevalley : They might wait until they get some lighter frames to improve the payload. The ESAD is going to be around 7000nm assuming the winds south west bound
180 Post contains links MotorHussy : Yep, you're right... found it... http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2...da-fly-auckland-taipei-haneda.html And Garuda sales and marketing director Ar
181 gemuser : The NZL regulator is going to have to insist on its higher standards or else what's the point? Also NZ is going to be pi**ed off if another airline c
182 NZ107 : AR is joining Skyteam.
183 A330NZ : AR is ceasing flights to AKL
184 SCL767 : Wow, brings back memories! Remember when LAN Chile leased these two DC-10s from Air New Zealand? Yep, AR's last flight from AKL is on June 30, 2012.
185 Post contains images NZ107 : Oh yeah, forgot about that
186 Unclekoru : I agree. They're doing a great job at Christchurch. It will be a fantastic facility when it's completed. The plane spotter in me quite enjoys transit
187 KiwiRob : I've been to Gallipoli for ANZAC Day, the vast majority of Kiwi (and Aussie) visitors to the dawn ceremony are young people on there O.E. the rest ar
188 PA515 : UA is unlikely to have seven 787-8's before the end of the year and will only get the first in 'late fall 2012'. The first five aircraft are L/N 45,
189 Post contains links ZKOJH : Some good news for the Asia markets for NZ at last! ''Asia builds Air NZ passenger count'' The growing Asia market continues to support Air New Zealan
190 NZ107 : I'd take these statistics with a pinch of salt seeing that many people would have cancelled their March 2011 bookings due to the Christchurch Earthqu
191 ZK-NBT : Hmm I'm aware May is relatively quiet, just flicking through some schedules and noticed NRT is as low as 3 weekly some weeks and KIX just 1 service, w
192 Post contains links ZKOJH : ''NZ-United States travel could get easier'' United States Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano has hinted that travel between the United S
193 aerorobnz : I got to thinking as I arrived in IST this morning that TK would be a wonderful addition to the line up at AKL eventually. Fabulous product (Best Prem
194 sunrisevalley : I assume this system would be close to the NEXUS card that Canadian and US citizens can get that allows for quick transit at border crossings and at
195 MotorHussy : I've always thought TK would be a great NZ/DJ staralliance partner into SYD if they got the 77L in the fleet. That way they could fly non-stop to IST
196 aerorobnz : My general feeling for seat product, meals mood lighting show and amenity kits TK (better than NZ J Class kits!!), both pitch and width are very impr
197 777ER : Why would TK make a fantastic addition to AKL, and not say CHC? There was talk last year about TK starting a WLG service via Aussie but I havn't hear
198 xiaotung : Is WLG runway long enough for any of TK's widebodies?
199 777ER : Simple answer yes, WLGs runway is long enough for any widebody BUT it depends on the flight/route. As I said a TK insider said WLG was on a list last
200 Post contains links and images macilree : Ah yes TK. I might be updating this list next week.
201 ZK-NBT : Sounds interesting!
202 777ER : Certainly does sound interesting! Wonder what list TK will appear under? Totally hope its the operating aircraft list and not the usual code share li
203 Post contains links Auchmithie : A320 ZK-OJK on its way back routing Seletar - Cairns - Auckland. Source: http://www.thenzsource.com
204 Post contains links MotorHussy : Another accolade of sorts for New Zealand's flag-carrier... Randstad announces Air New Zealand as most attractive employer Regards MH
205 nascarnut : ZK-NBT scheduled to leave NZ shores leaving just 3 747-400's in NZ, 2 operating and 1 awaiting departure ZK-NBT will depart on the 7th May as follows
206 Kaiarahi : GYR is home to two European pilot schools (including LH) and ... Aeroturbine (parts).
207 flyjetstar : The West Australian newspaper in Perth has a report that NZ will announce this week that they are changing AKL-PER to a 777 from October. The service
208 kiwiandrew : That's interesting, I seem to remember someone having worked out that current 777 utilisation and saying that there was very little slack available,
209 NZ107 : DPS? Or is that already covered?
210 xiaotung : It would also be interesting to see if they would sell Premium Economy seats. If not it will be the only long haul 777 route without a PE product.
211 kiwiandrew : DPS starts in June and this schedule change (if confirmed ) is coming from October.
212 NZ107 : Right. NRT sounds like the only place that a 772 could possibly be switched for a 763 unless they scrap HKG-LHR by then (well planned, after the Olym
213 ZK-NBT : Hmm re 772s maybe a reduction in HKG-LHR or 763s to NRT, SFO is still showing 3 772s a week so maybe a switch to daily 744s. I wonder if the PER sched
214 ZK-NBT : So currently now I have a bit more time the 772s are loaded on for Northern Winter 12/13 and of course this seems likely to change as it always does b
215 Post contains links and images zkojq : Looking at the fleet page on Air New Zealand's website, it says that all but one A320 on order is for the domestic fleet. I guess this means that the
216 Post contains links HLZCPH : Thanks for the link to the pics in Cairns. I see OJK had another rego briefly between Brazil and here. Why would this be? Does anyone know? http://ww
217 Post contains links ZKSUJ : Just Started Thread #114 http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/5458710/
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