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Allegiant To Charge For Carry Ons Starting Wed  
User currently offlineBlueBus From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 81 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9987 times:

Looks like according to airline reporter, Allegiant will start charging for carry-ons on the 4th. not a huge surprise.

http://www.airlinereporter.com/2012/...-charging-for-carry-ons-wednesday/

I know Spirit does this already. Does Ryanair? Any other airlines around the world? Wouldn't be surprised if we see more in the coming year do this as well. Oy!

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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19192 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9934 times:

Quoting BlueBus (Thread starter):
Does Ryanair?

No.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3720 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9866 times:

I like G4, and I have flown them before from FWA.

That said, I was pricing out flights to Orlando for September between G4 FWA-SFB and WN IND-MCO. G4 was cheaper than WN by a comfortable margin. Even with the carry-on fee and a checked bag, G4 from FWA would cost about the same as or less than WN from IND. And with gas prices the way they are, there might be a bigger incentive to choose G4 and stay local instead of driving to IND, even with the carry-on fee.

Just like with NK, this won't hurt G4. As always, the big question remains if any of the legacies will follow because of rising fuel prices. Remember, 1st and 2nd checked bag fees from the legacies first came about during the last oil price spike in 2008.



I don't work for FWA, their tenants, or their ad agency. But I still love FWA.
User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9815 times:

Just my opinion I think it takes balls to charge a customer for an item that they will carry on and look after, though if you don't want to pay it don't fly them.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9500 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9766 times:

I'm not surprised Allegiant would do this. Also since they have the smallest overhead bins of any mainline airline in the US it makes sense since without the extensions, MD80 bins are quite tight.


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User currently offlineBlueBus From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9764 times:

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 3):
though if you don't want to pay it don't fly them.

On the most part I agree with this, but Allegiant flies to a lot of airports where they are the only mainline and people really don't have any choice but the bus.


User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1882 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9703 times:

So you're stuck flying G4 into the only airport within several hours drive from your hometown in the middle of nowhere (because, let's face it, most of G4's outbound destinations are in the central US away from most major cities)...and G4 specializes in selling complete vacation packages where you HAVE to pack bags (not like majors, who can cater to day-travellers and business folks). So, now besides that lovely "convenience fee" they charge for you using THEIR website to book tickets on THEIR airline, they will charge you for hauling YOUR OWN BAG onto their plane.

Between them and NK, the race to the dregs keeps getting more interesting.


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3720 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9686 times:

Quoting BlueBus (Reply 5):
Allegiant flies to a lot of airports where they are the only mainline and people really don't have any choice but the bus.

Many G4 origin airports are also a 1-3 hour drive from another major airport that is served by "bags fly free" WN.

Here are ten examples:
SCK (G4) vs. SMF (WN)
FWA vs. IND
SBN vs. MDW
OWB vs. SDF
YNG vs. CLE (and CAK once WN/FL integration is done)
GYY vs. MDW
BLI vs. SEA
RFD vs. MKE
ATW vs. MKE
COS vs. DEN

WN and G4 also overlap at times, like at GSP (plus DSM and GRR post-integration).

[Edited 2012-04-02 12:59:34]


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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6439 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9608 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 2):
Just like with NK, this won't hurt G4. As always, the big question remains if any of the legacies will follow because of rising fuel prices. Remember, 1st and 2nd checked bag fees from the legacies first came about during the last oil price spike in 2008.

DL, AA, UA, and US pledged to the U.S. Senate that they won't charge for carryons. Failing to comply could result in legal charges for them.



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3720 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9553 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 8):
DL, AA, UA, and US pledged to the U.S. Senate that they won't charge for carryons. Failing to comply could result in legal charges for them.

I remember that, but companies change their mind all the time.

Also, CO didn't make the same pledge that AA/DL/UA/US did. Keep in mind that the UA of today uses the CO operating certificate and is mostly CO management, so UA could potentially use the certificate change as a loophole around the pledge.



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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5312 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9525 times:

I would be happy if carriers instituted a fee for carry-ons too big to fit under the seat, while also dropping the first checked bag fee. It would make traveling much smoother.

User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9467 times:

Quoting BlueBus (Reply 5):
On the most part I agree with this, but Allegiant flies to a lot of airports where they are the only mainline and people really don't have any choice but the bus.

Even Greyhound doesn't have the balls to charge you to carry your own bag on the bus.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlinetjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9465 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 8):
WN and G4 also overlap at times, like at GSP (plus DSM and GRR post-integration).

Sorry, slightly OT- I think it will be interesting to see what G4 does once the WN integration is complete at DSM and GRR. In the case of GRR, I can see G4 running back to LAN in a heartbeat. It's been written in the local media here in GRR how FL affected G4's loads when FL entered the GRR market- a big reason G4 scaled back flights and eliminated GRR as a base.



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User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9441 times:

Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 12):
Sorry, slightly OT- I think it will be interesting to see what G4 does once the WN integration is complete at DSM and GRR. In the case of GRR, I can see G4 running back to LAN in a heartbeat. It's been written in the local media here in GRR how FL affected G4's loads when FL entered the GRR market- a big reason G4 scaled back flights and eliminated GRR as a base.

Lansing would offer them a bigger draw of MI than does GRR.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineBlueBus From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9268 times:

But are people really going to not fly because of this? Look at Spirit. People like to hate on them, but they are making money.

User currently offlinedsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 892 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9228 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 10):
I would be happy if carriers instituted a fee for carry-ons too big to fit under the seat, while also dropping the first checked bag fee. It would make traveling much smoother.



   My thoughts exactly! People need to get the message that dragging a roll board on board a plane is what is causing so many dealys and hang ups these days, (Not to mention FA's and gate agents not willing to police and enforce current carry on policy). Charging for roll boards that don't fit under the seat is a smart thing to do. Honestly most of the stuff people need to have with them will easily fit in a grocery size plastic bag, give them the one additional seperate from that and they should be able to get everything on they need with them onboard. Of course there will be exceptions for medical related items, dead head bags and non-rev employees, but I'm allright with that.



GEAUX SAINTS!
User currently offlinesldispatcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9204 times:

They will no longer get any of my $$$. Rewarding this type of behavior only propagates the problem.

User currently offlinevin2basketball From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9176 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 6):

So you're stuck flying G4 into the only airport within several hours drive from your hometown in the middle of nowhere (because, let's face it, most of G4's outbound destinations are in the central US away from most major cities)...and G4 specializes in selling complete vacation packages where you HAVE to pack bags (not like majors, who can cater to day-travellers and business folks). So, now besides that lovely "convenience fee" they charge for you using THEIR website to book tickets on THEIR airline, they will charge you for hauling YOUR OWN BAG onto their plane.

Between them and NK, the race to the dregs keeps getting more interesting.


If people will buy it, then more power to them. While you personally may not buy a ticket on an airline because it charges for carry ons, the empirical evidence over the past 5 years suggests that the majority of US travelers will anyway if the price is right.

And NK, who you claim is racing to the dregs, was the most profitable US airline LCC or legacy (by margin). And that ultimately, is the primary metric (along with safety/reliability) that an airline should be measured on.


User currently offlineBoeing773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9175 times:

This is a good call by G4, they let people get use to Spirit charging for carry ons and now they are introducing it themselves.

I will not change my mind about flying G4, considering they are a major carrier out of my home airport (ABE)

They are also ridiculously cheap, for example friends of mine just booked ABE-MYR in the middle of July for $39 dollars one way.



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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1113 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9130 times:

Quoting BlueBus (Thread starter):
Does Ryanair?

No, not yet anyway. But there are some rather severe size+weight restrictions.


User currently offlineMountainFlyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9068 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 8):
DL, AA, UA, and US pledged to the U.S. Senate that they won't charge for carryons. Failing to comply could result in legal charges for them.

Haven't people learned the promises made by politicians or corporations are about as permanent as sand castles? That said, I don't see the legacies charging for carry-on baggage anytime soon. Remember NK and G4 represent the ultimate in ULCC in the U.S. Because they've built themselves on that model and that reputation, they can get away with it a whole lot easier than the big players.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 9):
Also, CO didn't make the same pledge that AA/DL/UA/US did. Keep in mind that the UA of today uses the CO operating certificate and is mostly CO management, so UA could potentially use the certificate change as a loophole around the pledge.

I could be mistaken, but I don't believe an operating certificate, which is issued by the FAA, carries the same weight as the corporate charter, which is a legal document filed with the state establishing their status as a legal corporation.



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8897 times:

Quoting dsuairptman (Reply 15):
My thoughts exactly! People need to get the message that dragging a roll board on board a plane is what is causing so many dealys and hang ups these days.

No, it's not what is causing the delays. Is it causing slower turn times, which airlines will incorporate into their scheduling so as not to have bad ontime stats? Yes, but it is NOT the cause of widespread delays. That's silly.

But let's assume every flight is delayed 10 minutes by carry-ons and it takes 10 minutes longer to deplane. Both reasonable assumptions. That's still 20 minutes. Try waiting for luggage at LAX, especially at peak times. Takes longer than 20 minutes. So large carry-ons are a net time benefit to anyone who uses one.



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User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1882 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8823 times:

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 11):

Even Greyhound doesn't have the balls to charge you to carry your own bag on the bus.

This qualifies for "post of the year." Greyhound > NK, G4

Quoting BlueBus (Reply 14):
But are people really going to not fly because of this? Look at Spirit. People like to hate on them, but they are making money.

You know what they say about suckers...


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7511 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8781 times:

My understanding is that NK's carry-on charge ONLY applies to those who use the overhead bins; is that still true?

Based on the linked-article, it's not 100% clear whether G4's new policy will be similar.



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User currently offlinefat-g4 From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8753 times:

It is cheaper to put your bag under you then do a carry-on if you pre-pay it. See link below. I fly G4 quite often and thats because i have to. i could fly UA but they are WAYYY more expensive.


http://www.allegiantair.com/aaFeesForOurServices.php


25 FWAERJ : Don't discount the possibility of AZO, either. They built that shiny new terminal and Direct Air pulled out, so I could see AZO management offering a
26 koruman : Good! I wish every US full-service airline would come in line with the rest of us and make 15 pounds the absolute limit on carry-on baggage so that bo
27 AS739BSI : I like the idea of limiting the carryons for the cabin and charge for carryons in exchange for a free (or reduced fee for a) bag underneath. Business
28 jporterfi : I hope the legacy carriers don't do this! That said, it would have to be "all or none" with the legacy carriers, because if most do it but one, DL for
29 Post contains images GSPSPOT : OK, I can NOW be officially counted among FORMER G4 fans..... [Edited 2012-04-02 17:53:30]
30 AWACSooner : Right...because charging us people who can actually LIFT our bags into the bin as well as keep it within the limits of the bin size is clearly fair a
31 FlyPNS1 : What foreign carriers actually enforce this? I've taken carryons that weighed more than 15lbs on foreign carriers and never been stopped or even ques
32 Cubsrule : Why is weight the issue? I have a "standard" 22 inch roller bag and can pack it to 30 or 35 pounds without too much trouble. But if I can get it in t
33 USAIRWAYS321 : Full-service carriers in the rest of the world don't charge for your first checked bag.
34 RyanairGuru : Most only enforce it if it actually looks too big, although I've had my cabin bag weighed by EK, KL, QF among others over the years. I do agree with
35 Sevensixtyseven : How do they charge passengers for this? Have a flight attendant be watching the passengers as they board, then come up to them with a credit card read
36 Post contains links and images JetBlueGuy2006 : I think AZO would potentially be a better option While I think this is true with LAN more centrally located in the state, I think there is something
37 freakyrat : I think the fee for carry-ons on Allegiant is OK as their fares are so cheap anyway and they are basically an a-la-carte airline. As far as you folks
38 Post contains images ah414211 : Same here. At $35/each way for a carryon they have more than doubled some of their fares....Add that to fees for seat assignments, booking convenienc
39 n6238p : I throw bags for G4 and from what I've noticed from my experience is that MD-80's are not exactly the best planes for 150 people with carry-ons. As a
40 SSTeve : No, I agree-- it's not just money, it's efficiency. The boarding process at legacies is totally fubar now. They need to change the incentives around
41 OB1504 : These posts hit the nail on the head. Spirit still allows one free personal item, which cannot exceed 16 x 14 x 12 inches (in order to fit entirely u
42 Quokkas : It may not be a problem with domestic US travel but on international carriers at least you tend to have in-seat IFE and can have a great big IFE box
43 OB1504 : At least the way the policy has currently been implemented, just because it must be able to fit underneath the seat in front of you doesn't mean it a
44 Post contains links fat-g4 : According to local news CBS47 in Fresno, one small item will be allowed. See link below. quote from article "Each passenger will be allowed to carry o
45 Cubsrule : How often?
46 seabosdca : Then put it in the overhead bin. It's not a matter if keeping every single item out of the overhead bin, it's a matter of allowing small personal ite
47 tjwgrr : The problem w/ AZO is their longest runway is 6502'. Florida flights would work, but flights to LAS and IWA without weight restrictions would be near
48 MLI717fan : I was disappointed by this too, and concerned because I am scheduled to fly with several friends MLI-SFB in May, so I wasn't sure if it would impact
49 F9Animal : I support G4 in doing this, and hope other airlines follow suit! Just had a friend who is a flight attendant get a serious injury while trying to move
50 Post contains images dc9northwest : Good. The first thing the airlines need now is to be perceived as less customer friendly. I don't know anyone in "real life" who enjoys travelling on
51 flyabr : After reading about this new fee, all I can think of is that the airlines seem to be in a race to see who can become the most annoying, fee ridden air
52 Checo77 : Carry-on fee? OMG, that is truly ridiculous. Its totally imposible form someone not to pay extra, because no one can pack for a trip using a laptop ba
53 BlueBus : This is a really good point. Although if carry-on and checked bag fees are the same, will people really move from carry-on to checked? It might make
54 luv2fly : Here is a thought have enough employees to do the job in the allotted time and not fee your passengers to death.; This is all just bait and switch, I
55 ckfred : This is sort of off the topic, but I've wondered why Congress hasn't gotten involved. My understanding is that the scanning equipment in airport bagga
56 TZFALAX : This past weekend I flew Allegiant for the 2nd time in 6 months. Both trips were from FAT-LAS roundtrip. One each trip, I travelled with my 20" crew b
57 contrails15 : Work a flight on the ground and get back to me on that one. With airlines charging pax with everything and the kitchen sink, we're working at minimum
58 OB1504 : The trend of increasingly large carry-on baggage is largely due to airlines' decisions to charge for checked baggage. Spirit, for example, charges mo
59 USAIRWAYS321 : An extra fee to bring anything larger than a purse/backpack on board with you (especially an airline like Allegiant, that specializes in vacation pack
60 dlramp4life : Been there done that. G4's planes are weird on the overhead bins, some of the former AM birds have nice big, roomy overhead bins and others can barel
61 Quokkas : How often to aircraft crash resulting in total hull loss? How often do aircraft fly into buildings? It doesn't matter how regular an occurrence is bu
62 Cubsrule : All right. Why don't you point me to a document that discusses incidents in which people were injured when the bin doors opened in flight and they we
63 capitalflyer : On the pledge by legacy carriers, the "trouble" they could get into would be for lying to Congress. Has nothing to do with their operating certificate
64 dlramp4life : Since most people check in at the ticket counter they might get charged up there, Also a computer that AIS access at the gate should take care of tha
65 BoeingGuy : I think that was koruman's point. I'd personally much prefer to just check my bag anytime and be done with it when I arrive at the airport and not ne
66 AirframeAS : On F9's Airbuses, the weight limits are clearly placarded inside the overhead bins.
67 OB1504 : The same is true on Spirit's fleet, but the exact figure escapes me right now. I think it said 40 lbs, which is concerning.
68 GSPSPOT : Well-said! If G4 were lowering fares (even just a smidge) as a good-faith token that would be one thing. But my days of being a G4 booster may be com
69 smoot4208 : You do realize every airlines' fuel expense is up year over year. Pretty simple that when your costs go up, you have to offset that somehow. Many peo
70 kdonohue : This kind of thing is just nonsense...if you want more revenue add it to the base fare, don't hide it in extra fees and charges.
71 smoot4208 : Please read the above post
72 kdonohue : I don't disagree that people are price-sensitive, and maybe people need to be more savvy about fares, but it's the consumer that ends having to do al
73 OB1504 : The traveling public is reaping exactly what they sowed by blindly purchasing the lowest quoted airfare, never bothering to check what was and what w
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