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User currently offlineKLAXAirport From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 154 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9211 times:

California Pacific Airlines has been getting ready to launch out of Carlsbad Palomar Airport! Good news for those in Northern San Diego County as this could bring new job opportunities! They have 4 Embraer 170's on order with Premium and Economy class cabins with no seats in the middle! They are scheduling services to KSFO, KOAK, KSMF, KLAS, KPHX, and MMSL. Nice to see new airlines coming to be even after hard times! Can't Wait!

Cheers,
KLAXAirport   

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User currently offlineredrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9074 times:

I know they are on a.net, believe it or not. The CEO was recently interviewed from our local news paper. UT San Diego

They should receive their first E170 in four months.



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User currently offlinegustywinds From Armenia, joined Feb 2012, 143 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9074 times:

I thought you had some new news for us. I was in CLD last month and snapped a picture of their future ticket counter.
CLD


User currently offlineweb500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9018 times:
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Quoting gustywinds (Reply 2):

That counter has been ther science last may, is there any new news... Ie when they are going to start ops?



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User currently offlinen782nc From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8990 times:

What about San Jose? I believe their original plan was to bypass SFO in favor of both OAK and SJC.


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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8906 times:

Quoting n782nc (Reply 4):

I believe SJC is a route they will launch, according to the link provided by the OP.



John@SFO
User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8907 times:

Are they looking at phx or Gateway?

User currently offlineKLAXAirport From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8907 times:

Quoting n782nc (Reply 4):

Their website is showing KOAK and KSFO in the Bay Area not KSJC.  

Cheers,
KLAXAirport   


User currently offlineKLAXAirport From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8877 times:

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 6):

KPHX I'm assuming.

Cheers,
KLAXAirport   


User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1228 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8848 times:

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 6):

PHX, although I think they'd have a little more success from IWA. There's no competition from G4 or NK to SoCal. From PHX, they've got their work cut out for them, to say the least.


User currently offlinen782nc From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8677 times:

Quoting KLAXAirport (Reply 7):

Their website shows planned service to SJC and OAK in the Bay Area, not SFO.
http://www.flycpair.com/about/aboutDestinations.htm

My confusion is based off of this...

Quoting KLAXAirport (Thread starter):
They are scheduling services to KSFO, KOAK

What I'm asking is this. Are they really planning to serve SFO instead of SJC, but just haven't updated their planned route map yet?

[Edited 2012-04-02 21:32:08]


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User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8512 times:

I doubt they'll ever fly. Wasn't there a report late last year that they'd only raised about 10% of the start-up capital? Yea, I know the history. Yea, I know that SAN is a pain for North County. But that doesn't translate into a viable business plan.

User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1228 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8397 times:

Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 11):

I doubt they'll ever fly. Wasn't there a report late last year that they'd only raised about 10% of the start-up capital? Yea, I know the history. Yea, I know that SAN is a pain for North County. But that doesn't translate into a viable business plan.

The were approved a month or so ago for a major phase of FAA certifications, which includes analyzing their business plan (among other things) and requires them to have adequate capital to start up and stay afloat for at least two years. The FAA would not have approved this phase if they couldn't get off the ground. It's a difficult phase to get past because it requires a huge amount of investment capital, organization, and time; since these standards were put in place in the 90s, there have been very few start ups -- it weeds out airlines that won't get going. There's no doubt in my mind they'll be flying, not to mention Embraer is supposed to give them an airplane in a couple of months, so I'm guessing they'll probably want some money for it.

The book Flying High by James Wynbrandt details how JetBlue made it through this process (the first airline to do so) if you're interested. It's also why so many people on here are skeptical of the new PEX flying by this summer because these certifications take a year or more...two or more years once you factor in all of the other work that needs to be done. Of the start ups that have had to go through this process, I think Skybus was the only one to dissolve.


User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 823 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8327 times:
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They are also talking about eventually serving SJD on weekends. I'm still wondering how they plan to fly
down to Mexico nonstop using CLD's short runway. Although there has been some talk of extending it. I
don't know what became of it.

Quoting n782nc (Reply 10):
Their website shows planned service to SJC and OAK in the Bay Area, not SFO.

They are most likely planning to serve OAK and SJC, but it's worded like some airlines do: Serve San Francisco
via OAK and SJC.



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8090 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 12):
The were approved a month or so ago for a major phase of FAA certifications,

They also passed the DOT's financial stress test a little bit further back.



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User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 8023 times:

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 3):
That counter has been ther science last may, is there any new news... Ie when they are going to start ops?

The ticket counter has been there since May 2010!


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26128 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7633 times:

I hope no one is holding their breath.

Not only have CP Air continued to miss their own launch dates by years, the tough airline economic realities of the industry are heavily against them.

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 12):
which includes analyzing their business plan (among other things) and requires them to have adequate capital to start up and stay afloat for at least two years.

The DOT merely requires startup airline to have three months of operational funding available in addition to pre-operating costs. The financial litmus test determines what that number would be based on the projected scale and cost of operations.

And per the most recent DOT filings, CP had yet to secure this required launch funding via previously planned shares offering.
To date they were operating mostly on the assets of its founder Ted Vallas which includes a condo and annuity.



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5120 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7391 times:

CP will fly soon, and they will be just fine. They are getting ready to get flight certs soon.


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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7198 times:

Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 11):
I doubt they'll ever fly. Wasn't there a report late last year that they'd only raised about 10% of the start-up capital? Yea, I know the history. Yea, I know that SAN is a pain for North County. But that doesn't translate into a viable business plan.
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):
And per the most recent DOT filings, CP had yet to secure this required launch funding via previously planned shares offering.
To date they were operating mostly on the assets of its founder Ted Vallas which includes a condo and annuity.

I'd have to agree. I wish them well but as an investment I would run away. And, choice of a/c. With Pinnacle's Ch 11, might be easy to pick up several Q400s on lease for cheap. And they probably match the E170 over the indicated stage lengths, within 5 mins., with lower DOC.



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 963 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6683 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 9):

Also interlining with US, I could see them doing that.



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User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5716 times:

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 17):
CP will fly soon, and they will be just fine. They are getting ready to get flight certs soon.

I hope that they promote themselves as a hometown airline. Reasonable fares, no nickel and diming, offer some incentives to be loyal, offer hot cookies or sweet roles in the morning, whatever...they need to distinguish themselves from the impersonal regional carriers. If their schedules at first are a bit inconvenient, the little extras will count big.


User currently offlineKLAXAirport From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5516 times:

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 20):

"offer hot cookies or sweet roles in the morning, whatever..." 

If you read their website, it absolutely does seem like their goal is good customer service and satisfaction.

Cheers,
KLAXAirport   


User currently offlineSevensixtyseven From United States of America, joined May 2011, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4824 times:

If they do get off the ground, so to speak, I think they'll be a bit more convenient for the military community north of San Diego. As it is, Camp Pendleton, the largest Marine base in the US by population, is around 50 miles from SAN. CLD is only 18 miles away, approximately.

Maybe it'll be easier for short hops to the Bay Area and Phoenix, connecting onward?



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User currently offlinepenguins From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4657 times:

Will they just serve as a connector airline (i.e. getting from KPHX to KSJC) or are they aiming at the SD market?

User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3441 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4536 times:

Quoting penguins (Reply 23):
Will they just serve as a connector airline (i.e. getting from KPHX to KSJC) or are they aiming at the SD market?

They are presumably aiming for the affluent local community and point to point traffic, not connections. With their location and equipment they will not be able to compete on price to those [heavy WN] markets.



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25 HNLsurfer : Science last may huh? wow.
26 Sean-SAN- : So many things about this airline look like a pipe dream of a 90yo guy who wants to check one last thing off his bucket list. How many E170 can the CL
27 Post contains links and images gordomatic : I work in Vista, a few miles from CRQ. All I know is it would be great to catch a jet out of North County and not have to drive to SAN, LAX or ONT. I
28 RWA380 : I'd love to see this carrier get off the ground, and make a small niche for itself on the west coast. What are the distance limitations of the aircraf
29 F9Animal : Yes, they do plan on PDX and SEA. IIRC, it is not planned until after their first year. There is a CP Air exec that was visiting this site, and answe
30 bjorn14 : Not sure how that's happening. With CLD's runway only 4,897 they can only have full payloads for maybe 600nm. SEA is 1,023nm. Maybe Embraer worked so
31 SANMAN66 : I know CPAir has plans to launch SJD in the future, I was wondering with the length of the runway can they make it from CLD to SJD (Mexico) nonstop?
32 F9Animal : The question was asked in another thread on CP. IIRC, the executive answered the question regarding the runway length. He also said that PDX and SEA
33 Post contains images RWA380 : It certainly happens at 46.... Can't remember what 36 was like.
34 Post contains images KLAXAirport : Could we possibly see trans-continental flights to like JFK or MIA form California Pacific? Cheers, KLAXAirport
35 sunking737 : Not in their business plan. Just local service, Mostly West Coast.
36 RWA380 : I see this like AS/QX at SRS, I could even see AS/QX going head to head in CLD if local demand becomes great enough. Cool, yet another carrier in the
37 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Back in the 30s airlines did it with DC2s, Lockheed Lodestars, and Ford Trimotors. Also, OO does IAD-COS / COS-LAX and IAD-MCI / MCI-SFO with CR7s .
38 JBo : Call me a cynic, but I will believe it when I see it, and then truly believe it if it survives more than two years. Not that I wouldn't mind seeing up
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