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Free Alcohol In UA's Transpac+intra-Asia Y Class?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10245 times:

With the UA-CO merger, UA no longer offers free alcohol onboard its transpacific/intra-asia economy class. Why? Will they bring this back?

They took this off back in 2008 and reinstated it back in late 2009.

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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39885 posts, RR: 74
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10235 times:

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
With the UA-CO merger, UA no longer offers free alcohol onboard its transpacific/intra-asia economy class. Why? Will they bring this back?

Are you sure about this?



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User currently offlineDocGATTACA From Singapore, joined May 2011, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10197 times:

I'm pretty sure it was only on the pre-merger Continental aircraft that there was a charge for alcohol. I was under the impression that this had now been rationalized and that alcohol is now free on all UA trans-Pac flights.

Anyway, I can report back tomorrow since I will be flying EWR-HKG-SIN and will definitely have a drink or two.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39885 posts, RR: 74
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10181 times:

Quoting DocGATTACA (Reply 2):
I'm pretty sure it was only on the pre-merger Continental aircraft that there was a charge for alcohol. I was under the impression that this had now been rationalized and that alcohol is now free on all UA trans-Pac flights.

I've flown United many times across the Pacific and there was always free booze.
I thought the only trans-Pacific carrier that charged for booze in coach was Delta.



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User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4910 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10099 times:
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Quoting DocGATTACA (Reply 2):
Continental aircraft that there was a charge for alcohol. I was under the impression that this had now been rationalized and that alcohol is now free on all UA trans-Pac flights.

The "new" United website states that there is a charge for alcohol now (i.e., following CO's Policy)

http://united.com/web/en-US/content/...avel/inflight/economy/default.aspx

However, it appears that in practice, sUA flights (e.g., SFO-HKG) are still offering free alcohol on trans-Pac, while sCO flights (e.g., EWR-HKG) are charging).

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
I thought the only trans-Pacific carrier that charged for booze in coach was Delta.

Delta has free beer, wine, and sake on all trans-Pac flights; cocktails and liquors however are US$7.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39885 posts, RR: 74
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10043 times:

Quoting panamair (Reply 4):
cocktails and liquors however are US$7.

What a shame.  
Quoting panamair (Reply 4):
The "new" United website states that there is a charge for alcohol now (i.e., following CO's Policy)

That doesn't surprise me. I never hear of mergers that benefits customers and employees.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineAngMoh From Singapore, joined Nov 2011, 488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9951 times:

Quoting panamair (Reply 4):
Delta has free beer, wine, and sake on all trans-Pac flights; cocktails and liquors however are US$7.


NW used to charge for all alcohol from about 2004 onward. Even before that their service was shit (a poor lady from China was yelled at by the 250 pound FA for having the audacity to ask for both a orange juice and a glass of wine as the same time - this was when they still served beer and wine for free - and she was told clearly that "it is company policy to only serve one drink per service...") I never flew them again. Stupid way to lose a customer...

Same for a colleague of mine: last time he came from BOS to SIN, he flew UA. He had one leg HKG-SIN on SQ and he was amazed that he had a proper meal and free drinks on just a 4 hour flight, but no decent service flying 14 hours ORD-HKG. Next month he is coming again but this time flying SQ/LH just because of food and drinks...


User currently offlinemax999 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1046 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9904 times:

Quoting panamair (Reply 4):
Delta has free beer, wine, and sake on all trans-Pac flights; cocktails and liquors however are US$7.

I believe this Delta policy applies to all of their intercontinental flights globally.



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User currently offlinehb88 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 816 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9894 times:

Paying for drinks? Good grief, no wonder hardly any US carriers can compete with the rest of the world in terms of service/quality in the cabin.

As for mergers, they're invariably a race to the bottom.


User currently offlineDocGATTACA From Singapore, joined May 2011, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9699 times:

Quoting panamair (Reply 4):
The "new" United website states that there is a charge for alcohol now (i.e., following CO's Policy)

http://united.com/web/en-US/content/...avel/inflight/economy/default.aspx

However, it appears that in practice, sUA flights (e.g., SFO-HKG) are still offering free alcohol on trans-Pac, while sCO flights (e.g., EWR-HKG) are charging).

That's rather unfortunate. I thought they would be trying to improve their on-board offering. Little things like that do leave an impression.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9508 times:

Quoting max999 (Reply 7):
Quoting panamair (Reply 4):
Delta has free beer, wine, and sake on all trans-Pac flights; cocktails and liquors however are US$7.

I believe this Delta policy applies to all of their intercontinental flights globally.

On transatlantic routes, U.S. carriers are virtually the only ones that charge for any alcohoic drinks in Y class. Champagne is an exception but even that's free on AF. Air Berlin is the only significant European carrier I can thnk of that charges for alcoholic drinks in Y class on their U.S. routes. All alcoholic drinks (except Champagne) are also free on AC.


User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4910 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9423 times:
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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
On transatlantic routes, U.S. carriers are virtually the only ones that charge for any alcohoic drinks in Y class. Champagne is an exception but even that's free on AF. Air Berlin is the only significant European carrier I can thnk of that charges for alcoholic drinks in Y class on their U.S. routes.

Finnair offers free beer and wine during mealtime on JFK and BKK flights in Y; all other times it has to be purchased. For the other long-haul destinations (PVG, PEK, NRT, KIX, ICN, etc.), beer and wine are free throughout, but other cocktails/liquors cost.

SAS is the other one that charges for alcohol in Y on long-haul: it is free during the pre-meal drink service and during the main meal; other times, it has to be purchased.

[Edited 2012-04-03 15:19:13]

[Edited 2012-04-03 15:19:54]

User currently offlineDavidYYC From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9223 times:

Quoting panamair (Reply 11):
All alcoholic drinks (except Champagne) are also free on AC.

Sshhh! Dont give AC any ideas? Pretty soon they will "enhance" this, making us pay for this perk. Of course when it happens they will promote some aspect of it as an "enhancement", like better choice etc etc.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17503 posts, RR: 45
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9223 times:

Quoting hb88 (Reply 8):
Good grief, no wonder hardly any US carriers can compete with the rest of the world in terms of service/quality in the cabin.

Give it a couple years; it'll change for the other carriers too.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlinejoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 937 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9166 times:

There is lots on this subject on Flyertalk.com. UA is still doing free alcohol across the pacific for old UA metal. For old Continental Metal, they do not serve free alcohol. This was a big factor in choosing PMUA metal over PMCO metal for my May trip to HKG. On a flight this long, I don't want to pay for alcohol or I'm going to fly somebody that provides it for free like NH!

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8879 times:

Quoting joeljack (Reply 14):
There is lots on this subject on Flyertalk.com. UA is still doing free alcohol across the pacific for old UA metal. For old Continental Metal, they do not serve free alcohol. This was a big factor in choosing PMUA metal over PMCO metal for my May trip to HKG. On a flight this long, I don't want to pay for alcohol or I'm going to fly somebody that provides it for free like NH!

So what will happen at the ultimate end when both airlines fully integrate? Will they still provide free alcohol onboard transpacific/intra asian economy flights?


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8863 times:

Quoting panamair (Reply 4):

Why does PMCO cost money but PMUA free? It doesn't make any sense, they are officially one airline now.



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User currently offlinejoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 937 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8841 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 15):
So what will happen at the ultimate end when both airlines fully integrate? Will they still provide free alcohol onboard transpacific/intra asian economy flights?

Million dollar question. UA experimented around with charging for alcohol a few years back and United stated that it hurt bookings because Asians expect free alcohol. They reversed their policy and brought back the free booze. Hopefully the new UA has enough common sense to keep it free.

What kills me is that it's one airline now and yet they haven't aligned their services yet!


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8614 times:

Quoting joeljack (Reply 17):
Million dollar question. UA experimented around with charging for alcohol a few years back and United stated that it hurt bookings because Asians expect free alcohol. They reversed their policy and brought back the free booze. Hopefully the new UA has enough common sense to keep it free.

EVERYONE expects free alcohol on long haul flights. And every airline provides free alcohol on long haul flights except US airlines.


User currently offlinebobbypsp From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8424 times:
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I'm more interested that United is not offering a consistent product. Yes, it takes time with a merger, however this is very easy to implement. Charge or don't charge.

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17503 posts, RR: 45
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8391 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 18):
EVERYONE expects free alcohol on long haul flights. And every airline provides free alcohol on long haul flights except US airlines.

That's because there's much more competition in the US. You'll get there soon enough don't you worry .



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User currently offlineAngMoh From Singapore, joined Nov 2011, 488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8360 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 20):
That's because there's much more competition in the US. You'll get there soon enough don't you worry 

Because of competition, service levels are going up in Asia  
Something you probably can't comprehend....


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17503 posts, RR: 45
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8315 times:

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 21):
Something you probably can't comprehend....

It's no where near the level of the US. There's still tons of regulation and government owneship/meddling that has yet to really free up the markets but it's getting there. SQ/CX profits are way down, TG/MH are reeling, SQ is starting Scoot, JL/NH/QF/JQ are starting umpteen LCCs throughout the region. Believe me, you'll get there. Asia is a good 5-10 years behind the EU and they're finally enjoying the benefits/horrors of deregulation.

[Edited 2012-04-05 09:24:11]


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User currently onlineEASTERN747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8223 times:

Well whether UA charges for drinks is meaningless. Just try and find a F/A to serve you. An hour after takeoff they seem to melt away until 30 minutes before landing. And that's in Business! Never again.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7923 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 22):
SQ/CX profits are way down, TG/MH are reeling, SQ is starting Scoot, JL/NH/QF/JQ are starting umpteen LCCs throughout the region. Believe me, you'll get there. Asia is a good 5-10 years behind the EU and they're finally enjoying the benefits/horrors of deregulation

CX posted a record high net profit/revenue last year. SQ and TG are still doing very well. Perhaps US airlines should learn from SQ and CX on how to run a top airline

Asian airlines compete severely too


25 Viscount724 : TG is doing very well? They reported a net loss of over $300 million for the year 2011 (10.2 billion Thai Baht).
26 MaverickM11 : Asian carriers benefit from much more state support and much less deregulation. There is no comparison, but the markets are freeing up. Asia is likel
27 penguins : I flew UA from SFO to SYD and got free booze. Does this count as TransPac though? Another question of mine is, I flew UA from MEL-SYD at 8am in the mo
28 tugger : Anyone who wants/supports free alcohol must also support no bag fees. After all who is willing to pay extra for a ticket so someone else can drink for
29 United Airline : WOW how come? I doubt SQ, CX, TG etc will charge for food/wine/drinks even in the long run.
30 michman : Not true. NW did not start charging for alcohol on trans-pacific flights until 2006. All alcohol remained free on NW trans-atlantic flights due to th
31 michman : Beer and wine are free in coach on Delta on international flights that are 6 hours or longer. The Economy Comfort pax get free liquor as well.
32 kfitz : Oh really? So where does the unbundling stop and do we just admit a lot of it is quick talk from the company looking for a perfect line to spin cuts
33 Avianca : I had even free beer on a ATL-CCS run and thats under 6 hours... a shame an airline can not even provide a free beer or wine on long flights... here
34 cmf : While competition is set to increase there is nothing stating they must go about it the same way as US. Passengers already pay for it. The question i
35 spacecadet : And this is why fares on Asian carriers are typically more expensive. But guess what? People pay, because you get what you pay for. On the JFK-NRT ro
36 Post contains images AngMoh : Airlines have lots of expenses but wine or beer is not a significant expense. A can of beer is probably 30 cents in bulk duty free. And if I drink a
37 runzel : It seems that the OP's intent was to North Pacific so maybe I'm drifting somewhat off-topic, but recent experience on SYD-LAX&;v.v. plus SYD-SFO&a
38 hhslax2 : I got told this on UA flight 3 years ago from IAD to SAN on a 3 class 763. The FA said that UA policy was one drink per hour. That was the only time
39 AeroWesty : Not on UA, but on KLM flying AMS-LAX some years ago. After the meal service, liqueurs were served from full-sized bottles on a cart in Y. When the FA
40 MaverickM11 : Perhaps not for longhaul. Those three carriers have a lot more leeway in terms of government support and weaker labor protections so cost cutting is
41 LJ : However no EU airline will start charging for alcohol in Y for long haul flights... It's becoming very clear that comeptition on Europe - Asia is bet
42 cmf : With all due respect put the focus on just revenue and cost pretty much summarize the problem with (typical) US business mentality. Reality is that t
43 panamair : Both AY and SK already do have some sort of pay-for-alcohol system on their long-haul flights to Asia and the U.S. in Y (see my post #11 above) today
44 rogercamel : My experience with intra-Asian flying is that the full service airlines are improving their service levels to justify the price difference, rather th
45 Post contains images MaverickM11 : US carriers have been competing with European/Asian/Latin/African carriers that have higher service standards and still manage to turn out profitable
46 AngMoh : And that is the core of the issue. Transpacific tickets on US airlines are not cheap. They are cheaper, but not enough to offset the agony of an old
47 cmf : Not at all. It is that mentality that creates the mistake of thinking charging for every identifiable detail and bringing down cost to bare minimum i
48 Post contains images MaverickM11 : No, it simply means your revenues have to cover your costs, by whatever means necessary. As costs rise across the EU/Pacific carriers and revenues ar
49 Post contains images Superfly : When I feel that a company is cutting corners and nickel & dime-ing me then I go the competition that provides better service. Believe it or not
50 cmf : If that isn't a natural in the back of your head at all times you will never be able to run a successful business. I.e. the solution isn't in looking
51 MaverickM11 : No, you still run into the same problem: airlines have to cover their costs, regardless of whether you're trying to be McDonald's or Le Cirque. That
52 Post contains images IrishAyes : Seriously?? Beer and wine cost the airline next to nothing. When I flew to GRU in DL Y last January, the "wine" they served us was legit BOXED wine.
53 MaverickM11 : They charged for wine and wifi in their clubs. And remember when they wanted to charge for meals on Transatlantic flights?
54 ordjoe : Sort of playing devils advocate, but how much extra fuel gets burned to carry these heavy drinks.
55 cmf : Caring about more than revenue and cost does not mean ignoring those two. It should have been very clear from my earlier posts. My objection is about
56 kfitz : With more and more of CO's "revenue maximizing" policies being brought to S-UA, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the free booze is terminated.
57 Superfly : I understand that airlines need to make profits but the cost cutting measures shouldn't be felt by the customer. Nickel & dime-ing your customers
58 fxramper : Nothing is free on the new United. The cost of free booze is built into the pricing structure of the new ticket cost on any international ticket. You
59 Post contains links MaverickM11 : In 2011 it was quite the reverse. The CEO of CX made nearly $10MM in 2011 http://investing.businessweek.com/re...sp?personId=33842143&ticker=293:
60 United Airline : Real asshole. Within the US all clubs charge for alcohol. Outside the US everything is free even for US airline clubs. No wonder all US airlines are
61 hhslax2 : Are you sure? I thought Delta's Crown Rooms had free booze. At least that's what I remember from 6 years ago.
62 cmf : You display the US problem very well. Repeating the revenue/cost mantra over and over and ignoring everything else. Again, there is no question about
63 shufflemoomin : Don't think that's correct. Each time I've flown CPH-EWR recently, I've always asked for a beer during any drink service and never once paid for it.
64 rogercamel : Surely charging for alcohol is a completely false economy on long haul flights? Let's say a trans-pac ticket costs $2000. Charging for alcohol causes
65 United Airline : US airlines=all about cut this cut that charge this charge that. They are too stupid to understand. European/Asian airlines are way better.
66 Viscount724 : It's still free according to the DL website. The name was changed from Crown Room to Sky Club some time ago.
67 MaverickM11 : I'm not ignoring everything else, however everything else still has to fit in the confines of economic reality. Which is going to make it even more e
68 IrishAyes : What about India flights? I am assuming UA will charge on EWRDEL for example because it is a former CO flight...grrrrr
69 CO777DAL : All sCO flights charge for alcohol.
70 runzel : When I stuck my nose into this topic (reply 37) I apologised for drifting off-topic. However I neglected to emphasise that the major component of my c
71 michman : Yes, DL still has free booze in the Sky Clubs. They've introduced a "Luxury Bar" concept in a number of lounges and charge for the higher end alcohol
72 Docpepz : It is not fair at all to compare UA or AA within the US to SQ and CX. Of the nearly 100 destinations that SQ/Silk Air fly to, how many destinations do
73 Superfly : I see your point but how come my 2 hour flight on Singapore Airlines from BKK to SIN in coach was better than the 12.5 hour flight between SFO to NRT
74 cmf : Why are you going on about the economics when I have agreed it is important and must be included? The issue is that you're downplaying the product. T
75 Post contains images AngMoh : Because you flew the wrong airline SFO to NRT Should have flown SFO-LAX-NRT and then you would have enjoyed LAX-NRT in comfort flying an A380 watchin
76 Post contains images AngMoh : Just to follow up. I just tried to book a return LAX to NRT on Expedia. Lowest fare was Korean (A332) at $1714, followed by United codeshare(UA 757 t
77 Post contains images Superfly : Haha! United served me plenty of free booze. This was several years ago before Singapore was operating their A380 on that route. I've mostly been fly
78 MaverickM11 : Sure you can--product doesn't matter nearly as much as you think it does, and moreover people simply aren't willing to pay a premium for a free drink
79 EBGflyer : Yes they do. Apparently. I was just on HKG-EWR and I couldn't believe they would charge for alcohol on a 15 hour flight. The food was so crappy as we
80 Post contains images nethkt : I'm totally against the idea of charging for meals or beverages onboard on longer flights. At least people need to eat something on a 6 hours gap!! So
81 Post contains images AngMoh : We were talking trans-pacific not Kuala Lumpur to Kuching. And I have just shown that trans-pacific, the airlines with free drinks and a general bett
82 rogercamel : Well - your comparison isn't exactly correct either; for shorthaul routes you should be comparing the product of MI with American domestic levels of
83 Post contains images Superfly : Is SFO still a 747-400? SFO, LAX and ORD are all my home bases. T.I.T.
84 cmf : Product doesn't matter if everyone provides the same product and people do not have the option of not buying, e.g. replacing a few hour flight with a
85 MaverickM11 : Of course none of them worked out. Much like none of these new airline-within-an-airline LCCs will likely work out. You have to remember this region
86 Lawair : A lot of the LCC craze has already played out regionally in Asia, but only regionally. My exposure has mainly been with TG. TG used to have a more ex
87 rogercamel : SQ's equivalent of domestic routes are flown by MI - SQ only do a few short haul routes themselves. CGK and DPS are both high volume (CGK for sure -
88 Post contains images cmf : Repeating the mantra again. Ignoring, again, that I agree you need to cover cost. The problem is that focusing on cost over product, hr and many othe
89 Post contains images MaverickM11 : It's also a government owned carrier, the same government that dictates bilaterals with other countries. The free alcohol is really just a symbol of
90 cmf : What an ignorant statement. You need to read up on history. US does not have exclusivity on coming up and being first with implementing new ideas.
91 Lawair : I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying the Thai government is negotiating bilaterals that will benefit or protect TG, thereby ensuring TG profitabilit
92 MaverickM11 : Spare me the faux rage. The US deregulated first, and it's a continual experiment in how to deal with increasing competition and costs combined with
93 Lawair : Well yes that is understood...so despite those obstacles (and quite frankly there have been more obstacles than benefits) TG has made a consistent pr
94 MaverickM11 : It's just not the LCC competition--it's everyone. TG, for example, will have plenty of LCCs pressuring its regional yields, as well as everyone else
95 Lawair : Well this is a different point from your previous posts, and I mostly agree with you here. I've actually said as much in my posts as well. TG has suf
96 Post contains images Superfly : As well as access to their international first class lounge. I flew on this route several years ago on their 747-300 just days before it was retired.
97 cmf : Spare us Yes US deregulated first. So what? Doesn't mean they will automatically be first with everything. Look at the many bankruptcies and the enor
98 MaverickM11 : I wasn't trying to focus on LCCs--network airlines everywhere are going to be caught between LCCs on one side, and fellow network carriers on the oth
99 rogercamel : I reckon it's the same for almost all of the heavily trafficked routes in Asia - CX and SQ haven't cut service on SIN-HKG despite the LCC (and US car
100 Post contains images cmf : If the same thing is going to happen then all those airlines should just give up, i.e. liquidate to give their owners the best possible return. But I
101 Post contains images MaverickM11 : So EY and QR should just close shop ? I don't think many shareholders and certainly no governments would want to see their links to the world wind do
102 cmf : Don't understand how you think QR is an example? EY maybe. Doubt many on this site know their financials and plans well enough. I certainly don't. Bu
103 MaverickM11 : Neither of them are making money--believe me they'd be shouting it from the top of the nearest building if they could even get the creative accountin
104 Post contains images AngMoh : How did we get to 1 hour regional flights when we started with service across the Pacific? The following is the case: 1) Every single low cost long d
105 Post contains links cmf : You're wrong. ""But we will still have our nose above the water," he said, adding he expected revenue of USD$6 billion, up from USD$5.1 billion the p
106 MaverickM11 : I don't trust Al Baker as far as I can throw him. But sure we can pretend he's being truthful. Doesn't really matter here. US carriers and now EU car
107 AngMoh : Your reasoning is idiotic because KL gets zero dollars for an empty seat from me while CX gets 4 seats filled at around 1500 SGD/seat. I choose the a
108 MaverickM11 : KL can't sell the seat if you don't buy it? On one of their higher LF routes? I'll let you try that argument again, a different way if you'd like. In
109 cmf : I don't care what you think about him. I know he is in position to know if they make profit or not. I'm not aware on anything making you privileged t
110 MaverickM11 : If product is so important why do people still choose to fly US carriers? Why does AF replace some of its US flying with DL? Why was LH making loads
111 cmf : Because it is always the complete package that counts. The hard product that you now single in on is just one part. But the premise of your objection
112 delta2ual : I would go one step further and say that all of these airlines have total labor costs far below most US carriers. Go to any store that sells clothes
113 Viscount724 : On the typical 60 to 90 minute (and often shorter) routes within Europe, other things are more important to passengers than the seat. And most carrie
114 Post contains links AngMoh : Recently there was a document from EK arguing their success was not due to subsidies while EU carriers have lots of subsidies. This was of course par
115 AngMoh : Also cost of business class seat within Europe is not much higher than a economy class seat with full flexibility (no rebooking and cancellation fees
116 delta2ual : I think Emirates has done many things right. They invest a lot of money into their product and their marketing. Certainly nobody would dispute that.
117 cmf : The company name is Malaysian Airline System Berhad. They now do business as Malaysia Airlines. It is my understanding they don't pay tax on 100% of
118 MaverickM11 : Because their J product is not lie flat. They're also removing F from most 744s and 340s. They all generate a premium because of their location, not
119 cmf : Which they of course wouldn't do if product doesn't matter. I.e. they provide a product with better value. Be that more convenience or lower price. N
120 MaverickM11 : I've said a small segment pays dearly for lie flat. Not nearly enough to support the amount of "frills"that once upon a time were available in the US
121 cmf : A large enough segment to make it worthwhile for airlines to keep it around. Even upgrade it. There are reasons why not every airline is operated lik
122 Post contains links cmf : Flybe didn't get your memo. Flybe Announces "Brand Re-positioning"
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