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FA Helps Pax Give Birth On DL Over Africa  
User currently offlinen92r03 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 357 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7185 times:

http://www2.tbo.com/news/offbeat/201...t-helps-deliver-boy-ove-ar-387875/

Props to the FA and the doctor who teamed to help the woman who gave birth.

Question... What nationality will the new born be?

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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6371 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7177 times:

Quoting n92r03 (Thread starter):

Question... What nationality will the new born be?

The aircraft is US-registered, so the baby should have US citizenship. It doesn't say citizenship of either parent, so they may be privy to another citizenship as well (or to US citizenship by blood if at least one of the parents is a US citizen).


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21583 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7098 times:

If neither parent is US citizen this baby isn't either. If the couple were attempting to have an anchor baby they were a day late. Even then, it only bestows the baby the right to live in the USA, not the parents.


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10931 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7079 times:

Quoting SW733 (Reply 1):
The aircraft is US-registered, so the baby should have US citizenship.

Not so certain unless one of the parents (or is it both parents?) has US citizenship.

Despite a common misconception to the contrary, birth on board a U.S.-flagged ship, airliner, or military vessel outside of the 12-nautical mile (22.2 km) limit is not considered to be a birth on U.S. territory, and the principle of jus soli thus does not apply.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_aboard_aircraft_and_ships

Citizenship issues for babies born on flights looks complicated.



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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7012 times:
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Shouldn't the baby just automatically have the same nationality that its mother has? Why make it more complicated?


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User currently offlineROSWELL41 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 803 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6800 times:

The nationality depends on the parents in this case. The infant won't be a U.S. citizen in this case unless one of the parents is as others said.

User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6752 times:

Why was the passenger even allowed to fly.


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User currently offlinecargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1278 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6726 times:

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 6):
Why was the passenger even allowed to fly.

Hmmm...

Quote:
Katherine Oyedoh, the mom-to-be, stretched out and the contractions came more frequently. She told the flight crew she was due on April 15 but had been cleared by a doctor to make the March 23 Delta overseas flight. She was heading home to Fresno, Calif., to be with the baby's father, her fiancé.


User currently offlineCheco77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6701 times:

The baby will automatically have the mothers citizenship. If the father is citizen of a third country (different that of the baby´s mother), the baby can have that citizenship too. Not sure about being born on a US plane, but in theory, the baby can have up to three citizenships.
The more interesting part is what will be in his/her birth certificate as "place of birth": International airspace? Delta Air Lines aircraft? The United States of America? The country they were currently overflying?

Adam



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User currently offlineROSWELL41 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 803 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6681 times:

I believe the place of birth will be wherever the aircraft lands. FYI, nobody ever dies on an aircraft. The death certificate will state the place of death as where the aircraft lands and is met by EMS.

User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21583 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6656 times:

Quoting cargolex (Reply 7):
Hmmm...

What moron doctor cleared an 8 month pregnant woman to fly across 8 time zones? Do you want your premee to be kept in ICU in another country?

It's still not clear if either is an American citizen, just that they live in Fresno.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7967 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6509 times:

Quoting SW733 (Reply 1):
The aircraft is US-registered, so the baby should have US citizenship. It doesn't say citizenship of either parent, so they may be privy to another citizenship as well (or to US citizenship by blood if at least one of the parents is a US citizen).

If one of the parents is a citizen, and the birth occurs in a US-registered aircraft OR I BELIEVE an aircraft whose origin is in the US, then i'm pretty sure the person's gonna be a citizen. It's really complicated but I'm 99% sure if the parents are American then the baby will also be an American citizen.   

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 10):
What moron doctor cleared an 8 month pregnant woman to fly across 8 time zones? Do you want your premee to be kept in ICU in another country?

I think after 7.5 months preggers, they shouldn't be allowed to fly unless it's 100% certain that the kid will come in on time. OR if it's back to the person's home city.

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 10):
It's still not clear if either is an American citizen, just that they live in Fresno.

ha!   



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6328 times:

Ok, I admit up front that I saw this on the TV show "Bones" but they solve a crime that happened onboard a flight between the US and China, as the plane is on final, the cop guy arrests the person that committed the crime, then the plane lands seconds later, but because the plane had not landed yet into the foreign country, it was still considered US soil until the smoke came out from the tires.


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User currently offlineFLDude From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6314 times:

It will really be ironic if this child grows up to be president of the USA. Not sure politics is welcome around here, so that's all I'm saying.

User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21583 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6302 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 13):

Don't believe everything you see on tv.



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User currently offlinesq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1644 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5821 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 2):
Even then, it only bestows the baby the right to live in the USA, not the parents.

If the child so chooses, I think its relatively straight forward for him/her to get the parents to get green cards right? Later in life, of course.



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User currently onlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10655 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5757 times:

Quoting ROSWELL41 (Reply 9):
FYI, nobody ever dies on an aircraft.

Well, almost never........we had a guy die on a flight (before departure) going from SLC-CVG. The EMTs had the presence of mind to bring him out into the jetway and declared him dead, there......so the health department wouldn't impound the a/c.



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User currently onlineEXCOASA1982 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5152 times:

Did anyone watch the video? They state at the end that the Father is a US citizen and the Mother is Nigerian. Maybe that video wasn't uploaded when the article was first posted?

User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21583 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4559 times:

Quoting EXCOASA1982 (Reply 17):

Interesting though that they are unmarried. The baby not being born on us soil can lead to complications should ice ask them to prove paternity...



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User currently offlineL1011TGU From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4476 times:

I assume that F/As receive training for emergency birthing?

User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8503 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4407 times:
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which DL flight to Africa was it ? JNB to ATL ?

User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6371 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4356 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 20):
which DL flight to Africa was it ? JNB to ATL ?

DL135, Accra to Atlanta


User currently offlinenws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 925 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3770 times:

Quoting L1011TGU (Reply 19):
I assume that F/As receive training for emergency birthing?

Sort of, but not really. We receive basic training in CPR/First Aid. I know child birth was briefly covered in initial training, but it wasn't even up to the level of an EMT-Basic.


User currently offlineB6A322 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3694 times:

Quoting nws2002 (Reply 22):

Sort of, but not really. We receive basic training in CPR/First Aid. I know child birth was briefly covered in initial training, but it wasn't even up to the level of an EMT-Basic.

You basically receive CFR (certified first responder) training then? Somebody who can help until the EMT's or someone else of higher qualification arrives?

Also, as far as I'm aware, "place of birth" would be listed as the geographical coordinates of the plane at time of birth.



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3604 times:

Quoting B6A322 (Reply 23):
Also, as far as I'm aware, "place of birth" would be listed as the geographical coordinates of the plane at time of birth

Which passport do you get for middle of the Atlantic Ocean?  



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20352 posts, RR: 59
Reply 25, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3759 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 10):
What moron doctor cleared an 8 month pregnant woman to fly across 8 time zones? Do you want your premee to be kept in ICU in another country?

an 8mo gestation will not routinely need NICU care. However, if there is a complication then that might be necessary.

It was irresponsible of the physician AND the mother to get on a plane with less than four weeks to go. 30% of medically unsupervised primiparous (first baby) births result in the death of the infant, mother, or both. Childbirth is not to be taken lightly. We're not like dogs, who can just push out eight at a time without even getting out of breath.

When you deliver a baby, remember, deliver the leading shoulder first, then the lagging shoulder. In other words, you guide the head down, then up.


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21583 posts, RR: 59
Reply 26, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3739 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 25):
an 8mo gestation will not routinely need NICU care. However, if there is a complication then that might be necessary.

The reality is that the chances are quite high, all things considered, that the baby will need NICU. If for nothing else but precautions to make sure everything is functioning correctly. Last two friends I know who had 8 months premies had them in NICU for the first few days. My best friend's baby was less than 5 pounds at 8 months when she was born in late Feb.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20352 posts, RR: 59
Reply 27, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3527 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 26):
The reality is that the chances are quite high, all things considered, that the baby will need NICU.

No it isn't.

I'm a pediatrician. I know a thing or two about this.

The thing is that the chances are irrelevant in any single case. For any single case it's either 0 or 100%.


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6371 posts, RR: 9
Reply 28, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3467 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 24):
Which passport do you get for middle of the Atlantic Ocean?

British Overseas Citizenship for Ascension Island  


User currently offlineATTart From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3343 times:

Video

Susan Carnes, a veteran flight attendant, delivers a baby at 36,000 feet on a 12-hour flight from Africa to Atlanta..

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/...light-attendant-delivers-baby.wfla



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Reply 30, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3282 times:

The Fresno newspaper has a long article today:
http://www.fresnobee.com/2012/04/04/...-bound-for-fresno-gives-birth.html

In regards to the parents' backgrounds and citizenships, some more info:

Quote:
"I'm very excited," said Idoni, who works as a patient-support technician in the surgery department at Children's Hospital Central California and is also a child-care worker. But he also confessed some nervousness that comes with first-time fatherhood.
.....
Idoni said because he is a naturalized U.S. citizen, his son also has U.S. citizenship. He and Oyedoh plan to marry, and she will start the process to become a U.S. citizen, he said. Oyedoh is a manager at her father's brewery in Nigeria; the couple first met two years ago when Idoni was on a visit.



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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1192 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 24):
Which passport do you get for middle of the Atlantic Ocean?  

Atlantis, duh.


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21583 posts, RR: 59
Reply 32, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3186 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 30):

We shall see how much resistance ICE gives here. Unmarried, naturalized, and not born in USA. Not the best way to ensure a smooth process. Doesn't even sound like Mother has a long term USA visa...



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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1447 posts, RR: 2
Reply 33, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3069 times:

Quoting L1011TGU (Reply 19):
I assume that F/As receive training for emergency birthing?

Iv had to go through the childbirth training course 3 times with different carriers......each time that video we are made watch TRAUMATISES me! Its just not something a man is meant to see!!!!!



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20352 posts, RR: 59
Reply 34, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3051 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 33):

Iv had to go through the childbirth training course 3 times with different carriers......each time that video we are made watch TRAUMATISES me! Its just not something a man is meant to see!!!!!

People ask me what the most disgusting thing I've ever seen in medicine is. My answer is: "Childbirth. C-sections are grosser than vaginal deliveries, but not by much."

Pisses people off who are expecting stories about guts hanging out and such.


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1447 posts, RR: 2
Reply 35, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3022 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 34):
Pisses people off who are expecting stories about guts hanging out and such.

LOL...They have clearly never seen afterbirth!!!!



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21583 posts, RR: 59
Reply 36, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3018 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 34):

Yep. This whole idea of getting the husband involved w the delivery was cruel revenge foisted on us by women.

Luckily my wife doesn't want me to watch and doesn't want a mirror or video. She just wants me to hold her hand.



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User currently offlineL1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 989 posts, RR: 14
Reply 37, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2750 times:

Quoting L1011TGU (Reply 19):
I assume that F/As receive training for emergency birthing?

Yes, they do! At least at the three different carriers I've been working at we did. It is covered in all the initial trainings and to some extend in the recurrents. However it is true that childbirth is not the number one issue in every annually recurrent first aid training. At my current airline childbirth was covered in recurrents about three years ago as per request by a great number of FA's. We fly a lot to Africa and India  
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 34):
People ask me what the most disgusting thing I've ever seen in medicine is. My answer is: "Childbirth. C-sections are grosser than vaginal deliveries, but not by much."

Pisses people off who are expecting stories about guts hanging out and such.

        

I'm also a registered nurse and I totally agree. The grossest, most disgusting and bloodiest thing I've ever seen: Ceasarean Sections (or C-sections) followed by vaginal deliveries. And Yes, it pisses some people off when they hear that. But it's true! ... LOL

Quoting B6A322 (Reply 23):
You basically receive CFR (certified first responder) training then? Somebody who can help until the EMT's or someone else of higher qualification arrives?

It basically is a CFR yes (not every modern FA can be a fully registered nurse or EMT), but the training it's a lot more intense with the background of knowing that the FA's "First Response" might last several hours. In most cases an EMT or physician can be found among passengers to get involved and work together with the FA's, but there will always be a slight chance that FA's are the only "first responders" available - it sometimes happens. So they receive quite some very intense first aid training.

What I find most interesting and also a little sad is that in 36 replies there wasn't a single "KUDOS to the FA"  
When it comes to FA bashing it doesn't take long for some users to jump right in on the thread and talk the whole FA profession down.

Now that a veteran FA has helped deliver a child in mid air you hear NOTHING! Not a single "well done"!

Of course we have those who'd say: "Well it's part of their job, and that's what they receive training for! So why pointing it out as something special" - Yes that's true. But funny enough I imagine those might be the exact same people who like to talk FA's down and calling them glorified waitresses and waiters who rarely encounter a situation in which they really need the intense safety, security, emergency and first aid training they receive.

THANK YOU Susan Carnes for doing a great job!

Best regards

L1011Lover


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20352 posts, RR: 59
Reply 38, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2703 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 35):
LOL...They have clearly never seen afterbirth!!!!

What? Your wife didn't eat hers? Grilled with onions and peppers? A bit of paprika?

It's really rich in iron!  


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6054 posts, RR: 3
Reply 39, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2674 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 32):
We shall see how much resistance ICE gives here. Unmarried, naturalized, and not born in USA. Not the best way to ensure a smooth process. Doesn't even sound like Mother has a long term USA visa...

If the father has been a citizen of the US for more than 5 years, there's not much to discuss, the child is a US citizen (and a natural born one at that, meet a potential future US president with one heck of a story to tell   )


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21583 posts, RR: 59
Reply 40, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2559 times:

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 39):

They could ask for proof of paternity if they wanted to. Otherwise it's just a foreign national who had a baby on a plane I've Africa who claims the father is American.

And please don't say I'm cynical. My wife wouldn't exist if her mom was faithful, nor is the man on her original birth certificate her real father. And she was born in another country, like this baby, though her mom and dad were/are American, as was the man on her bc. She has had lifelong issues w the government because of this. And she CAN NOT be president, nor can this child...



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 41, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

Quoting LOWS (Reply 31):
Atlantis, duh

My bad, of course your right.... 



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20352 posts, RR: 59
Reply 42, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2057 times:

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 39):
(and a natural born one at that, meet a potential future US president with one heck of a story to tell   )


This lady would have a field day!


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