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MU Gets PEK-BOS Authority From HU  
User currently offlineMAV88 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 183 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 6 months 20 hours ago) and read 6508 times:

http://www.centreforaviation.com/ana...-north-america-traffic-flows-71021


It now appears to the HU PEK-BOS route will never really materialize, which is not too surprising. What is surprising is that MU has gotten approval for the route. How likely are they to actually start a PEK-BOS flight?

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User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 736 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 19 hours ago) and read 6251 times:

I always thought HU is the more 'adventurous' of the Chinese carriers   If they haven't been able to utilize this authority ... not quite sure of MU. Which destinations does MU serve in the USA anyway?

User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2080 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 18 hours ago) and read 6134 times:

Quoting ASA (Reply 1):

MU only serves LAX. I believe they also served HNL as charter flights.



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12482 posts, RR: 34
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 18 hours ago) and read 6032 times:

So, it'll be MU, not HU, to BOS. That'll be their second US base, whereas HU is still on its first base; what's the issue for HU - lack of aircraft, crews, or just lack of name recognition (people don't know who's HU)?

User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 17 hours ago) and read 5953 times:

Quoting MAV88 (Thread starter):
It now appears to the HU PEK-BOS route will never really materialize, which is not too surprising. What is surprising is that MU has gotten approval for the route. How likely are they to actually start a PEK-BOS flight?

Not all that likely. I'm surprised they aren't planning PVG-BOS instead.

Everyone wants a piece of PEK - CA, CZ, HU. And now instead of enjoying their near monopoly at home, they're going into unchartered waters.


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4120 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 17 hours ago) and read 5902 times:

It is ironic that the airline just ditched the only plane in their arsenal that could connect to Boston...the 787. The A330 certainly can't (and won't). So they have an 'authority' and no plane to use for it.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25546 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 17 hours ago) and read 5858 times:

Having the authority and operating the flight are two very different things. All that happened here is the CAAC added Boston as authorizud market for MU. Airlines tend to hoard authorities used or not.

Wait till they ask the DOT for approval, and publish a schedule before getting too excited.



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8413 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 17 hours ago) and read 5841 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 5):
It is ironic that the airline just ditched the only plane in their arsenal that could connect to Boston...the 787. The A330 certainly can't (and won't). So they have an 'authority' and no plane to use for it.

It can with a stop   However, BOS-PEK is not much different than QF's AKL-LAX so it may be doable, and it's right over the pole so no head winds to contend with. PEK-BOS should be no problem.


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 17 hours ago) and read 5801 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 7):
It can with a stop   However, BOS-PEK is not much different than QF's AKL-LAX so it may be doable, and it's right over the pole so no head winds to contend with. PEK-BOS should be no problem.

Technically they *can* do it with their 340 fleet. Whether loads justify is a different issue.


User currently offlinecloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 17 hours ago) and read 5771 times:

I'm surprised they would serve BOS before SFO, EWR, JFK, ORD, IAD, etc. You figure the demand and yields would be better from those cities. So those people who say this is for the sake of holding an authority, and not using it, are correct.


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User currently onlineaaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1524 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 15 hours ago) and read 5601 times:

Quoting ASA (Reply 1):
Which destinations does MU serve in the USA anyway?
Quoting legacyins (Reply 2):
MU only serves LAX. I believe they also served HNL as charter flights

MU also serves JFK (PVG-JFK).



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8391 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 15 hours ago) and read 5539 times:
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IS China Eastern using an A340-600 for teh route ?

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 15 hours ago) and read 5539 times:

Quoting cloud4000 (Reply 9):
I'm surprised they would serve BOS before SFO, EWR, JFK, ORD, IAD, etc.

I'm not. BOS has MIT and just as many electronic companies as SFO. BOS, is I believe the real king in the US High Tech market research.


User currently offlinepvd757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 13 hours ago) and read 5410 times:

Add to that all the "old" manufacturing companies that keep their sales, marketing and HQ operations in New England but outsourced the actual manufacturing to places in China long ago, and I think there is decent demand from the region as a whole.

User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4120 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 13 hours ago) and read 5374 times:

Also, with a single smallish 787 daily (or even 3x/4x weekly) it's not as though a city-full of people need to be found each day to fill the thing.

User currently offlineMAV88 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 13 hours ago) and read 5311 times:

Quoting cloud4000 (Reply 9):
I'm surprised they would serve BOS before SFO, EWR, JFK, ORD, IAD, etc. You figure the demand and yields would be better from those cities. So those people who say this is for the sake of holding an authority, and not using it, are correct.

All of those markets already have multiple daily non-stop flights to Asia, especially SFO, JFK and EWR. I am not saying it will happen, just thought it was interesting the authority had changed hands.


User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 736 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 13 hours ago) and read 5291 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):
I'm not. BOS has MIT and just as many electronic companies as SFO. BOS, is I believe the real king in the US High Tech market research.

MIT ... and then Harvard, BU, Tufts, UMass and over 20 well known (and about 50 in total) universities and liberal arts colleges within an hour or so from the city. Along with high tech and medical research leaders ... they also produce the leftest of the leftists I believe ...   

Jokes aside, the Route 128 Loop and Cambridge are indeed high tech research leaders. I don't know the loads between Boston and east Asia ... but if the graduate student/research demographic of this "College City" is any clue, it should be pretty high!  


User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 12 hours ago) and read 5006 times:

Quoting ASA (Reply 16):
but if the graduate student/research demographic of this "College City" is any clue, it should be pretty high!

the grad students won't be paying top dollar to visit home. they're generally on a pretty tight budget. for whatever that's worth.


User currently offlineMcoov From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 128 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 12 hours ago) and read 4992 times:



Quoting ASA (Reply 16):
... but if the graduate student/research demographic of this "College City" is any clue, it should be pretty high!

High it is, and a BOS - China route of almost any kind is sure to at least get good support. Boston, I think, is ideal for this kind of route because it provides an easy connection to NYC via Amtrak, while avoiding the headaches of operating into JFK, EWR, etc., as well as having advantages of its own that have already been listed. The traffic generated should be enough to support the route with an A330-200.

[Edited 2012-04-04 18:47:10]

User currently offlinejblua320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3179 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 11 hours ago) and read 4916 times:
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I think MU would be a good fit, plus I'm not sure how much of a premium they would be charging just because the flight is nonstop. MU is very underpriced compared to other carriers exJFK to PVG and I believe MU is still the only nonstop. Having flown JFKPVG on their A346, though, they could stand to upgrade the product a little bit! I found them to be a very solid domestic carrier on 4 different intra-China flights, but woof those trans-pac flights were... forgettable to say the least.

-JBLU


User currently offlineyeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 883 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 11 hours ago) and read 4677 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 7):
BOS-PEK is not much different than QF's AKL-LAX [332 flight] so it may be doable, and it's right over the pole so no head winds to contend with. PEK-BOS should be no problem.

Actually, quite a problem! 200nm more than the current longest flight for a 332, in the absolute upper range of the aircraft, would be quite a feat!

Quoting jblua320 (Reply 19):
I believe MU is still the only nonstop [PVG-JFK].

From JFK, yes. From the New York City area, no, as UA flies daily with a 77E from EWR.

World's Longest Flights 13 April Update (by BNAOWB Apr 4 2012 in Aviation Polls)

6424nm PVGº-JFK China Eastern ˇ 346x7
6416nm EWR-PVG United 77Ex7

yeo



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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 10 hours ago) and read 4318 times:
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Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 8):

Technically they *can* do it with their 340 fleet. Whether loads justify is a different issue.

I don't see MU flying BOS with a A34X. Too much capacity to start, at least. If they do start this route, I think we'll see them fly it with a much more economical, and smaller 787.

Quoting jblua320 (Reply 19):
I think MU would be a good fit, plus I'm not sure how much of a premium they would be charging just because the flight is nonstop. MU is very underpriced compared to other carriers exJFK to PVG and I believe MU is still the only nonstop. Having flown JFKPVG on their A346, though, they could stand to upgrade the product a little bit! I found them to be a very solid domestic carrier on 4 different intra-China flights, but woof those trans-pac flights were... forgettable to say the least.

Their soft and hard products are pretty dated and horrible from what I understand. I do believe they have been trying to upgrade the catering in all cabins, but am not sure this has happened or yet to be started.


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 9 hours ago) and read 4107 times:

This is one route I want to see, regardless of carrier. There is a lot of student traffic coming from China to the universities in New England.


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User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 8 hours ago) and read 3920 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 3):
(people don't know who's HU)?

How long did you work on that?



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User currently offlinehz747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 7 hours ago) and read 3712 times:
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Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 22):

This is one route I want to see, regardless of carrier. There is a lot of student traffic coming from China to the universities in New England.

And they pay cash too! But the problem with student traffic is that it is not constant year round.

For this route, I would say you could probably pay for it by charging Chinese based investment bankers and government officials business class to fly to Boston to meet with the hundreds of asset managers who are seeking to invest abroad to get better returns than they currently do in the US market.



Keep on truckin'...
25 Post contains links KC135TopBoom : BOS-PEK is about 5850 nm, and goes almost directly over the North Pole, according to GCM, about a 13 hour flight. http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=B
26 mogandoCI : 380 is definitely a pipe dream. All those colleges around BOS aren't helping because students aren't exactly the ideal pax mix. A low J really high d
27 Post contains images airbazar : No direct cmpetition at BOS. They're not American studens. They're Chinese students and their government pays for it. The current longest flight (LAX
28 mogandoCI : If "direct competition" just means PEK-BOS, then yes. But if we're broadening the scope to BOS - Northeast Asia, then there's soon going to be JL BOS
29 legacyins : Problem is, they just cancelled their 787 order and do not operate any type of 777. Unlikely they will bring in a new type of aircraft for this propos
30 ORDJOE : I will agree grad students will not be flying F or J, but the tech and finance companies in and around boston will, Harvard MIT and these other big s
31 mogandoCI : MU is not exactly the quality-inspiring brand that tech and finance firms want to put their employees on. Unless they're bound for PEK only, there ar
32 Post contains links yeogeo : I don't think your information is correct. To quote Tdan from: KE To Launch ICN-NBO (by KFlyer Jan 31 2012 in Civil Aviation) "IIRC, year-round winds
33 ChrisNH : Aren't there any A340-500s sitting around idle that the airline could pick up? I know not many were produced, but are they all in use?
34 MAV88 : I agree. Hopefully JL does well on NRT-BOS. Does anyone know how advanced bookings look? I don't think BOS will get another Asian carrier before 2014
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