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4 KLM Boeing B737-406 For Sale  
User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7210 posts, RR: 3
Posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 13424 times:

The classified in Flight International reports that KLM has 4 B737-400 for sale.

Year of manufacture 1991 to 1994.

CFM56-3C1 engines
147 seats
MTOW 138,500 lb upgradeable to 143,500 lbs.

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/KLM-stored-b737.htm

No prizes for guessing the planes involved.

Question is who is in the market for 20 year old B737-400's.

Hopefully they will not turn up at Kemble, like PH-BDA, PH-BDC and PH-BDD, which arrived in 2009, and were scrapped in late 2010.

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User currently offlineMX757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 628 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 12771 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Thread starter):
Question is who is in the market for 20 year old B737-400's

The new PeoplExpress is.



Is it broke...? Yeah I'll fix it.
User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 394 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 12732 times:

Quoting MX757 (Reply 1):
The new PeoplExpress is.

Damn, you beat me to it! I wonder if they'd be able to utilize these A/C??



Looking for the impossible way to save those dying breeds!!!!
User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 3153 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 12379 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Thread starter):
The classified in Flight International reports that KLM has 4 B737-400 for sale.

There is no secret here, as these aircraft have been offered on Boeings website since autumn 2011. http://active.boeing.com/commercial/...ex.cfm?content=include/reports.cfm

They are specifically advertised as 'Comments: EASA compliant aircraft that has been flown by KLM since new.'


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10365 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 12292 times:

A well-used 737 from 1991? 50% chance the next stop is the scrapyard as it will be high up in cycles. A 1994-sample will almost certainly fly again, as its a 734, not a 735.

User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2885 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12201 times:

I remember flying these planes AMS-LHR-AMS back in the late 90's early 00's. They were comfortable in J but not in Y, I liked taking the 767's when they scheduled them to LHR, which was at least once a day during that same time frame. Seats seemed to have better legroom and better pitch, maybe it was just me or the fact they were 767's that flew TATL as well, once ours was the outbound AMS-MEM after we came in from LHR.


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29689 posts, RR: 84
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 11973 times:
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Quoting bennett123 (Thread starter):
Question is who is in the market for 20 year old B737-400's.

Nobody. They're so cheap (~$2 million) that they're worth more in parts.


User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8942 times:
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Good question. As I am not a big fan of these planes and with some used B737-700/800s (Easyjet/Ryanair e.g.) on the market, I doubt that there will be an airline that will actually buy these old aircraft.

User currently offlinejrosa From Brazil, joined Jun 2005, 367 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7200 times:

Maybe some cargo airline will be willing grab these birds and pay them a cargo conversion.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24080 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6435 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 5):
I remember flying these planes AMS-LHR-AMS back in the late 90's early 00's. They were comfortable in J but not in Y,

I thought KL had eliminated their dedicated 5-abreast (2-3) business class seats from their 737s by the late '90s, in which case the J and Y seats would have been identical. Only difference (which continues today on their 737NGs) was that the seat pitch in the forward part of the cabin (ahead of the overwing exits) was/is about 2 inches greater than in the rear.

I flew on a few KL 734s (and 733s) last year, shortly before they were removed from service. As always with any KL aircraft, they were in excellent condition and the interiors were spotless and looked like new.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2885 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6419 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
I thought KL had eliminated their dedicated 5-abreast (2-3) business class seats from their 737s by the late '90s, in which case the J and Y seats would have been identical

You made me think, the J I was thinking of was BD not KL, The Y I was thinking of KL.



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User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4207 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6412 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
I thought KL had eliminated their dedicated 5-abreast (2-3) business class seats from their 737s by the late '90s, in which case the J and Y seats would have been identical.

In 2005 KLM's 737 NG's still had a 2-3 layout in Business Class, I flew quite some flights on them in front during that year.
From 2006 iirc, the cabins became all 3-3 layout with same seating in all classes.



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User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 3153 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5849 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Thread starter):
Question is who is in the market for 20 year old B737-400's.

Looking at the fate of the other 737 Classics that left KLM service last year, quite some have found a new home.

1990-built PH-BDU -400 went to Buraq in 2009. (it's unsure if it's flying, following the Lybian unrest)
1990-built PH-BDY -400 went to Global Jet in 2010 and is actively flying
1991-built PH-BDZ -400 went to Nok Air in 2011 and is actively flying
1992-built PH-BTD and 1993-built PH-BTE (both -300s) are now flown by Privatair for ECAir (Congo)

The aircraft phased out in the last 2 years that were built in the 1980s all seem to be scrapped or are headed for scrap, though.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24080 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5392 times:

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 11):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
I thought KL had eliminated their dedicated 5-abreast (2-3) business class seats from their 737s by the late '90s, in which case the J and Y seats would have been identical.

In 2005 KLM's 737 NG's still had a 2-3 layout in Business Class, I flew quite some flights on them in front during that year.
From 2006 iirc, the cabins became all 3-3 layout with same seating in all classes.

I was referring to the fixed (non-convertible) 2-3 business class seats that once existed on the 737-300s and -400s. I'm quite certain no KL 737NGs ever had those seats.


User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5080 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days ago) and read 5230 times:

Perhaps Jet2? they seem to love the older 737 models!

User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3244 posts, RR: 45
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days ago) and read 5212 times:

Do they take personal checks?   

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlinegingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 892 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5116 times:

Quoting anstar (Reply 14):

Perhaps Jet2? they seem to love the older 737 models!

With their somewhat recent acquisition of the 737-800, I doubt they will be jumping on this sale unfortunately.



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User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 3153 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4935 times:

Quoting gingersnap (Reply 16):
With their somewhat recent acquisition of the 737-800, I doubt they will be jumping on this sale unfortunately.

It was my first thought too, as they recently added four early built 738s to their fleet (1998-2000 built).

However, they also added some classics very recently, including G-GDFH, a 1993-built 737-300, previously operated by KM and DY. In 2011, they added G-GDFE, a 1988-built 733QC. Also, in 2012, they added two younger 733s.

However, all these aircraft are 733s and can therefore be swapped easily. A 734 would be a new type and therefore less likely.


User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 3153 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4926 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
I'm quite certain no KL 737NGs ever had those seats.

They had them:


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User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7210 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4369 times:

Joost

www.airfleets.net records ex PH-BDU as 5A-MAB.

It says that it was stored 9/2011 to 11/2011.

I can confirm that it was at LH Technik in Malta in September 2011.


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